My fear about Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions...

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » April 13, 2003, 12:48 am

Here's the thing.. I believe that the The Matrix was a great movie. What made it great was an amazing story that was very well accentuated and enhanced by special effects.

I have no doubt that the M2 and 3 will be great in their own rights but seeing the trailers makes me think that the Watchowsky Brothers paid a CGI shop to circle jerk in a movie canister and tried to weave a story out of all the different pearl necklaces.

Any one else scared of this?

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 13, 2003, 12:56 am

not me, it's just a fucking movie

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » April 13, 2003, 12:58 am

Wing Commander was just a movie too...

Trek · Post by **Trek** » April 13, 2003, 12:59 am

na, wing commander was a video game

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » April 13, 2003, 1:01 am

True.

However we've had enough bad special effect movies to know wtf I was talking about.

Etasi · Post by **Etasi** » April 13, 2003, 1:07 am

IIRC, the story for the entire Matrix saga was written (or at least thoroughly discussed) before any of the movies were ever made. If that's the case, then this isn't some bullshit money making sequel, it's a continuation of the great story from the first Matrix movie.

Besides, even if the plot sucks (which I highly doubt), the special effects in this movie will more than make up for it. These guys have gone out of their way to incorporate new, cutting edge technology in an effort to make these special effects better than anything ever seen before in a movie, and if the latest Matrix Reloaded preview is any indication, then they've succeeded.

There's a really interesting article in the latest (I think) Wired issue about all of the technology used to make the special effects in Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions, if you're curious.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » April 13, 2003, 12:17 pm

We have a movies forum.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » April 13, 2003, 5:46 pm

They will be great movies, but they won't be anything like the first. The first movie's concept of reality was so different from anything ever seen before. This is just a continuation of the first one, so it won't have any real philosophical relevence such as the first. But let's all be honest here, who saw the first one for the story?

OokieKanookie · Post by **OokieKanookie** » April 15, 2003, 7:14 am

As my first post i'd like to say that the matrix revolutions is gonna kick so much ass. Good thing im a theatre manager lol no $9.00 movie ticket crap for me heheheh.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » April 17, 2003, 8:40 pm

This storyline design similar to the original Star Wars in that Lucas wrote them before filming, or at least had the general idea down?

Willowwing · Post by **Willowwing** » April 20, 2003, 12:32 pm

For those fans/jabbas who complain about movies. You don't even realize the work it takes to make a movie like this. To make cgi look real and believeable not to mention to do the camera effects they wanted, it took rendering an entire city block to do that. Some people think doing that is easy well it isn't. 500 animators for about 5 mins of film. The new camera techniques they developed in the new movies for studio max and film are awesome. The new movies are actually one movie broken down into 2 parts.

Braxter · Post by **Braxter** » April 20, 2003, 8:01 pm

Willowwing wrote:For those fans/jabbas who complain about movies. You don't even realize the work it takes to make a movie like this. To make cgi look real and believeable not to mention to do the camera effects they wanted, it took rendering an entire city block to do that. Some people think doing that is easy well it isn't. 500 animators for about 5 mins of film. The new camera techniques they developed in the new movies for studio max and film are awesome. The new movies are actually one movie broken down into 2 parts.

you're telling this to a community who is on the whole pretty well versed in graphics imaging and movie making. in fact, animalor's complaint is based on the fact that he knows all too well what happens when CGI goes awry (read: SW episode 1). so in essence, you're preaching to the choir.

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 20, 2003, 8:20 pm

Willowwing wrote:For those fans/jabbas who complain about movies. You don't even realize the work it takes to make a movie like this. To make cgi look real and believeable not to mention to do the camera effects they wanted, it took rendering an entire city block to do that. Some people think doing that is easy well it isn't. 500 animators for about 5 mins of film. The new camera techniques they developed in the new movies for studio max and film are awesome. The new movies are actually one movie broken down into 2 parts.

so we're supposed to like a movie just because of this?

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » April 20, 2003, 8:49 pm

Braxter wrote: you're telling this to a community who is on the whole pretty well versed in graphics imaging and movie making. in fact, animalor's complaint is based on the fact that he knows all too well what happens when CGI goes awry (read: SW episode 1). so in essence, you're preaching to the choir.

Now now, SW:Ep1 was decent in the special effects department.. if nothing else, it was flashy. If you want to talk about CG/Special Effects bombshells... think Waterworld.

Post by **Xouqoa** » April 20, 2003, 9:01 pm

or Wild, Wild West.

They actually used two different effects companies for that film cause the first one did such a bad job, they had to switch in the middle of production. If you watch the commentary on the DVD they talk about which scenes were done by different companies.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » April 20, 2003, 9:48 pm

Kaldaur wrote:This storyline design similar to the original Star Wars in that Lucas wrote them before filming, or at least had the general idea down?

The movie was created as a trilogy but they made the one complete so if it bombed, they wouldn't have to make another one.

Braxter · Post by **Braxter** » April 20, 2003, 11:27 pm

Pahreyia wrote:
Braxter wrote: you're telling this to a community who is on the whole pretty well versed in graphics imaging and movie making. in fact, animalor's complaint is based on the fact that he knows all too well what happens when CGI goes awry (read: SW episode 1). so in essence, you're preaching to the choir.
Now now, SW:Ep1 was decent in the special effects department.. if nothing else, it was flashy. If you want to talk about CG/Special Effects bombshells... think Waterworld.

Oh, I agree that the effects were good, but Animalor's original point was that he's afraid there will be too much CGI. Episode 1 used so much computer graphics that it seemed cartoonish to a point. That was my major qualm in the movie. It didn't carry the feel of episodes 4-6 due to overcompensation.