ISONews Sentence has been handed down.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » April 11, 2003, 3:06 am

You can read some of it here:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_pa ... b&aid=1502

But this was his sentence

His full sentence is five months in prison, five months of home detention, three years of probation and a $28,500 fine

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 11, 2003, 7:39 am

Hooray for John Ashcroft and lobby groups. Another blow to the first amendment struck! Pretty soon you won't have to worry about that pesky thing any longer.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » April 11, 2003, 8:41 am

I don't see the correlation between the First Amendment and someone making chips to use pirated software. The First Amendment does not give you the right to break a law.

Shaion · Post by **Shaion** » April 11, 2003, 9:16 am

http://www.izonews.com/

And the crowd went wild !

Deward · Post by **Deward** » April 11, 2003, 10:26 am

The sentence this guy got was way too harsh. Rapists and other violent criminals don't get hit this hard. This is just an example of a powerful corporation using its clout and money to convict people.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » April 11, 2003, 10:29 am

I don't care about the article too much. It doesn't affect me. But this struck me as odd:

and a $28,500 fine - that's £18,355 in real money.

$$'s aren't real money?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 11, 2003, 12:32 pm

DMCA sucks, and for those of you who don't understand why now, you will in a couple years.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » April 11, 2003, 4:36 pm

DMCA was enacted as a law before Ashcroft was the AG, therefore Kyoukan is taking out of her heinie, once again.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 11, 2003, 6:24 pm

Lobby groups pressured Ashcroft's office to shut the site down because of very suspicious looking laws that the site owner probably could have gotten out of if he had the money to afford a decent lawyer. Because in truth mod chips don't violate the DMCA but it would have cost 10's of thousands of dollars in legal bills to prove this..

They don't give a fuck about the mod chips. There are a million sites on the net where you can buy mod chips. They wanted to shut the site down because of the content of it, and found that they could circumvent his first amendment rights by going after a secondary portion of the site using a shady law that isn't even being used appropriately in this case.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 11, 2003, 6:27 pm

kyoukan wrote:Lobby groups pressured Ashcroft's office to shut the site down because of very suspicious looking laws that the site owner probably could have gotten out of if he had the money to afford a decent lawyer. Because in truth mod chips don't violate the DMCA but it would have cost 10's of thousands of dollars in legal bills to prove this..

They don't give a fuck about the mod chips. There are a million sites on the net where you can buy mod chips. They wanted to shut the site down because of the content of it, and found that they could circumvent his first amendment rights by going after a secondary portion of the site using a shady law that isn't even being used appropriately in this case.

If thats true it was Damn smart of them just saved me as a taxpayer a shit load of money.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 11, 2003, 6:28 pm

how the fuck does that save you any money?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 11, 2003, 6:29 pm

cart put down the keyboard before somebody gets hurt

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 11, 2003, 6:29 pm

kyoukan wrote:how the fuck does that save you any money?

The US does not have to go through a long drawn out Civil Rights Violation trial.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 11, 2003, 6:31 pm

yeah those trials that fight for people's fundamental constitutional rights sure are a pain in the ass.

it makes me sad that you are such a collosal waste of human life.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 11, 2003, 6:33 pm

kyoukan wrote:yeah those trials that fight for people's fundamental constitutional rights sure are a pain in the ass.

it makes me sad that you are such a collosal waste of human life.

Oh Well guess he should of crossed his T's and Dotted his I's before he decided to break the law.

BTW you are so easy to bait

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 11, 2003, 6:37 pm

actually what would really save us money, would be if the goverment didnt put him on trial at all, since he didnt break the law.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 11, 2003, 6:37 pm

Deep down in my heart I want to believe you are just baiting me, but my logic tells me you are just a stupid moron who can't function properly without someone better than he is to tell him what to do. So you blindly follow anything the government tells you to, because you would be lost and confused without any sort of direction.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 11, 2003, 6:41 pm

kyoukan wrote:Deep down in my heart I want to believe you are just baiting me, but my logic tells me you are just a stupid moron who can't function properly without someone better than he is to tell him what to do. So you blindly follow anything the government tells you to, because you would be lost and confused without any sort of direction.

Nope just baiting you

makkanosappo · Post by **makkanosappo** » April 12, 2003, 10:12 am

He did screw up. The modchips themselves aren't illegal however he was selling those modchips with bios's that were made using the Xbox SDK kit which was pirated. Nowdays you get around that by putting the Cromwell Linux bios on your chip before you sell it, and it can be flashed by cd later, or you just don't put a bios on it at all and have a flash linker the customer builds or buys.

Mezzmor · Post by **Mezzmor** » April 14, 2003, 2:58 pm

In Kyoucan's world the first amendment includes the right to freely distribute copyright material as speech.

In the real world, there are intellectual property rights, copyrights, and patents.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 14, 2003, 5:11 pm

ISONews never distributed anything. In fact just asking for anything illegal in their forums resulted in an immediate banning of your account. Several corporations including Sega took them to court over it and they all lost based on the first amendment.

All they did was provide information which, I am led to believe, is covered under the first amendment. So the digital media lobby groups figured out a way to bribe the government into attacking them at a different angle with laws they slipped into the ass end of the DMCA while it was getting pushed through.

No copyrights were broken and nothing illegal was distributed, yet the site owner still goes to jail and pays a huge fine. You don't think that sets a scary precedent? Like Voronwe said, wait a few years then come back.

makkanosappo · Post by **makkanosappo** » April 14, 2003, 5:47 pm

kyoukan wrote: No copyrights were broken and nothing illegal was distributed, yet the site owner still goes to jail and pays a huge fine. You don't think that sets a scary precedent? Like Voronwe said, wait a few years then come back.

The guy sold the Enigmah mod chip which came with a modified Xbox bios which is copy-protected by M$. ISONews was hit because he owned the domain, although I'm pulling the latter part from memory, need to go check it to be sure.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 14, 2003, 5:53 pm

Well my point is that's a bullshit excuse to shut down the site. There's a million websites that sell that mod chip.

makkanosappo · Post by **makkanosappo** » April 14, 2003, 8:40 pm

They just ganked the domain, they didn't manage to get ahold of the server itself. I don't remember what they changed the new url to though.