Hmm..ouch.

Fizzlewhip · Post by **Fizzlewhip** » April 8, 2003, 2:29 am

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... _shootings

Not sure where I stand on this. On the one hand you have protesters alledgedly throwing projectiles at the police, on the other you have police being "heavy handed".

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » April 8, 2003, 11:58 am

Although I disagree with how the demonstration was done, I also strongly disagree with how it was handled. There are way better ways to disperse a crowd than using metal bullets covered by rubber (like I read in a different thread) and wooden bullets. This sounds like somthing taken straight out of the Israeli text book.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » April 8, 2003, 12:24 pm

Less tha lethals are such a joke.

Police departments around the country try to use them as part of the "escalation of force". They are ineffective and generally inhumane as hell.

The only ones even remotely effective are taser-type weapons, and they are poorly suited to crowd control.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » April 8, 2003, 1:47 pm

Use paintball guns with blue paint. Crank up the ejection pressure about 50% and make the pellets twice as resistant

Acies · Post by **Acies** » April 8, 2003, 3:44 pm

Animalor wrote:Use paintball guns with blue paint. Crank up the ejection pressure about 50% and make the pellets twice as resistant

Put the pellets on ice for a bit.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » April 8, 2003, 4:09 pm

What's wrong with water cannons?

miir · Post by **miir** » April 8, 2003, 4:20 pm

Metanis wrote:What's wrong with water cannons?

Someone tried to punch me in the face once for spraying him with my supersoaker...

masteen · Post by **masteen** » April 8, 2003, 4:42 pm

I have no sympathy for those people. Staging a protest at a port is clearly meant to disrupt business, goad the police, and generally create exactly this kind of mess.

Right to free assembly does not give you the right to impede commerce.

miir · Post by **miir** » April 8, 2003, 4:53 pm

masteen wrote:I have no sympathy for those people. Staging a protest at a port is clearly meant to disrupt business, goad the police, and generally create exactly this kind of mess.

Right to free assembly does not give you the right to impede commerce.

On the other side, do the police the right to use (what appears to be) excessive force on those who are 'inpeding commerce'?

The blame cannot be placed fully on either group.
I don't doubt the protesters got beligerent and it's obvious that some member of the police force did not excercise very good judgement.

After all, protesters are only really after publicity...
The police could have backed off, and let the protest go on and there would have been very little publicity at all.

There was a huge protest in Toronto a while back whose aim was to 'Shut Down Bay St' (our main financial district). They bussed in professional protesters and thousands of people from all across Canada. There was a massive police pressence but they gave the protesters a wide berth and remained a fair distance back. From what I recall, there were only a few arrests. It didn't even make front page news up here. An utter failure for what was one of the largest protest rallys ever in Toronto.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » April 8, 2003, 7:49 pm

I wonder if they knew 95% of that shipment too Iraq was food for the Iraqi people.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » April 8, 2003, 7:55 pm

Sirton wrote:I wonder if they knew 95% of that shipment too Iraq was food for the Iraqi people.

And puppies, chocolate and all things nice.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » April 8, 2003, 8:09 pm

Thats what the head worker from the shipping channel mentioned not the U.S. gov't.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 8, 2003, 8:39 pm

I thought it was a boatload of FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY.

Rhinok D · Post by **Rhinok D** » April 8, 2003, 9:02 pm

They deserved what they got protesting the way they did, blocking off ramps and disrupting the port they way they did and not doing what the police said. They where not protesting they where desturbing the peace from what I got out of the article.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » April 8, 2003, 11:32 pm

Should have used live ammo imo. They wern't with us, thats clear as day.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » April 8, 2003, 11:38 pm

Raistin [FoH] wrote:Should have used live ammo imo. They wern't with us, thats clear as day.

Define "us"?

Rhinok D · Post by **Rhinok D** » April 9, 2003, 4:59 am

Define "us"?

Supporters of AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!

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