potential post 60 exp change

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » March 7, 2003, 10:30 am

Another impending change that will make high-level players happy is more options for gaining experience. As we well know, Planes of Power saw the level range of mobs that players can get decent exp from shrink from 15 to 10, thus making all but a handful of zones useless for exping at 65. The level range will be opened back up again, giving players much more room to spread out. This should breathe new life into unfortunately abandoned places like the Temple of Cazic Thule.

I don't like it myself.

Jaxomer · Post by **Jaxomer** » March 7, 2003, 10:32 am

What's not to like? It *should* spread the high level people out a bit more, and provide a little more variety for them.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » March 7, 2003, 10:40 am

Woohoo rets arl frood Sebirlis~

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » March 7, 2003, 10:59 am

I think it is a good thing. This gives folks with a chance to group with their 50's friends in places like HS, Seb, etc and still get a wee bit of exp.

Also, I loved soloing in Seb and HS at 60--I know the exp will be marginal at best if this change happens, but if I am bored and want to mess around in my old stomping grounds, it opens up more options..

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » March 7, 2003, 11:05 am

Question is, will they scale exp to match?

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » March 7, 2003, 11:09 am

Akaran_D wrote:Question is, will they scale exp to match?

Even if they don't, will most folks take safe/boring/slow/good cash or another shovelful of PooP? Option 1 I'm thinking.

*Edit - un-edit

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » March 7, 2003, 11:13 am

That thought actually scares me.
I LIKE the challenge of PoP.. second best expansion to date (best being LoY). That gives me really bad visions of some pop zones becomming abandoned... not totally, but enough to make finding a group even nastier.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » March 7, 2003, 11:15 am

They should just start everyone out at 60 and end the problem. They could sell levels. You want a level 50? $50. You want a level 60? $100. Bypass all the bullshit.

I wouldn't have stated that a few years ago but now leveling has become pretty trivial. 65 w/epic in 2 days? Bah, I shouldn't be talking or bitching because I don't play anymore but it still damages the memory of the game for me.

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » March 7, 2003, 11:22 am

Yeah hoorj, let's make it so the people who think PoP zones are too hard can still xp safely in comfy areas like the zoneout of Sebilis.

Jesus...

What they should do is increase the "light blue" area of xp mobs at 65 to extend further down. You would get XP still, but not so much that it'd be worth it compared to killing *real* mobs.

Actually, when I think about it - this smells like a soloers fix, doesnt it? For non-charmers, I mean...

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » March 7, 2003, 11:26 am

I don't think it will make much of an impact really--those of us that spend most of our time in tier2/3/etc zones are not going to abandon that kind of exp for marginal gains in old zones... it just adds more options for those that are only on for a limited time and want to dick around for a bit..

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » March 7, 2003, 11:35 am

The same article says 80% of active (non-vendor) characters are levels 45-55 at any given time. This will impact them much more than it will most folks here.

bubba wrote:I wouldn't have stated that a few years ago but now leveling has become pretty trivial.

My bst was around level 35 when she ran out of newbie food, non PLed. Mildly twinked. My (current) gimps are just hitting 45, and will probably be in the mid 50s in a week or so.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 7, 2003, 11:40 am

My GF's necro is level 45 with about 13 days played. That includes tradeskills, questing, and absolutely no powerleveling. She is also non-twinked and purchases all her own armour and spells. It took me OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS longer than that to hit 45, but there wasn't nearly as much information at my fingertips.

She researches where to hunt for which levels and reads msg boards from work. Knowledge is power in this game. Half my leveling time was trying to figure out what to do and where to hunt.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 7, 2003, 11:47 am

Fairweather Pure wrote:My GF's necro is level 45 with about 13 days played. That includes tradeskills, questing, and absolutely no powerleveling. She is also non-twinked and purchases all her own armour and spells. It took me OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS longer than that to hit 45, but there wasn't nearly as much information at my fingertips.

She researches where to hunt for which levels and reads msg boards from work. Knowledge is power in this game. Half my leveling time was trying to figure out what to do and where to hunt.

NightStalker my friend Nightstalkers

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 7, 2003, 11:51 am

Nightstalkers have been very good to me. I hope to be finished with them within the next week or 2. 15 more AA's tonight, and then straight to 63. After that, I never want to see another one as long as I play this game

masteen · Post by **masteen** » March 7, 2003, 11:57 am

Further rewarding bottomfeeding gimps is EXACTLY what this game needed!

JloveFizzboom · Post by **JloveFizzboom** » March 7, 2003, 12:07 pm

I blame Drolgin for this. I really do. Most of the problems in Everquest are attributable to him. This is not open to debate or discussion. He will even admit it if you give him a few plat

In all seriousness -- EQ has several "tiers" - and several ways to play within each of those tiers.

I believe this change would be a very very good one - for the game as a whole, and for the very very many "middle" tier characters and guilds.

What I remember before PoP was that even tho I was the highest level the game allowed me to get, I could go to basically any reasonably high level zone to group with my guildmates, and both have fun and get at least something (in the form of xp for my character) out of it.

After lvl 62 - would you go to howling stones with a guildmate who wanted to go but was only lvl 52? Some would and some wouldn't, but if you did you would be in essence powerlevelling them.

The changes before, that made the whole world outside of PoP go green at lvl 62 (allow me a bit of generalization please) -- so drastically changes who will group with who, and in what zones -- that a very significant proportion of the general populace not only felt...but really was left out.

Again, for anyone who might disagree with anything here -- please blame Drolgin -- it's his fault.

Ziggin Swigalot · Post by **Ziggin Swigalot** » March 7, 2003, 12:22 pm

they should just make more places with the same challenge for post 60 players to level, not open up the level range so that people take the easy way out.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » March 7, 2003, 12:29 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:My GF's necro is level 45

What's her name? I need a FD puller and the only monks I've run across lately are idiots. Splitting 3-4 mobs with my cleric gets scary

Gunthak/Dulak are very good exp and cash if she hasn't tried them btw. Having a blast with my 45 bst/clr duo.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 7, 2003, 12:37 pm

Aabidano wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:My GF's necro is level 45
What's her name? I need a FD puller and the only monks I've run across lately are idiots. Splitting 3-4 mobs with my cleric gets scary

Gunthak/Dulak are very good exp and cash if she hasn't tried them btw. Having a blast with my 45 bst/clr duo.

Plus the added bonus of possable Cyber!!

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » March 7, 2003, 12:43 pm

Canelek wrote:I don't think it will make much of an impact really--those of us that spend most of our time in tier2/3/etc zones are not going to abandon that kind of exp for marginal gains in old zones... it just adds more options for those that are only on for a limited time and want to dick around for a bit..

That's bullshit and you know it. Was there something special about xp in Velks or FG as opposed to the Hole or HS? Yes, the former was much slower but easier than the latter. Which of these zones were packed nightly?

I say, you make a decision, if you want to PoP away, go ahead and 61+. If you want to be non-planar and still solo, stay at 60. Maybe, increase the light blue range, but that's it.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 7, 2003, 1:03 pm

What's her name? I need a FD puller and the only monks I've run across lately are idiots. Splitting 3-4 mobs with my cleric gets scary

Don't get me wrong, I love my GF to death, but she's a level 45 necro, non-twinked, with no higher level characters. Also, she's soloed 95% of her character's life simply because all the groups she's ever joined groups end up getting her killed.

Based on the above, I wouldn't assume she would have any real skill in reguards to higher level tactics like FD pulling. Of course, I plan on really teaching her OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS once we are able to group together. The main reason I have not rushed to 65, but instead focused on AA's is that I really want to duo with her.

Her name is Zepheria. She's currently leveling in Rathe Mnts. on Hill Giants. I'm sure she would be happy to join a good group of experianced players/twinks. She really does need a good group to show her that not everyone sucks. I'll mention it to her tonight.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » March 7, 2003, 1:28 pm

If she wants to I'm on Phurbi/Kelea for an hour or two many evenings.

I don't die too often and it's usually pretty funny (IMO) when I do.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 7, 2003, 2:19 pm

I don't really see level 65s abandoning PoP zones to level elsewhere. For one thing, the XP wont flow nearly as fast. And also there's the level of mobs. Sure, at 61 with the previous level spread mobs would still mostly be (low) dark blue. Get 65 and they will be light blue or green anyway regardless of it being 15 levels or 10.

I loved soloing in HS at 60. Fear kiting in a dungeon is fun! But would I go there at 65? I'd have to check mobs but I'm guessing no since at 60 things were 50/50 or blue/light blue. At 65 I'm guessing at least 40% would be green (in the areas I could solo).

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 7, 2003, 2:25 pm

it isnt going to effect any players who consider themselves 'elite' or whatever.

if it gives more people more fun, then good.

i dont see it affecting my gameplay much.

Soriathus Serpentine · Post by **Soriathus Serpentine** » March 7, 2003, 2:27 pm

JloveFizzboom wrote:After lvl 62 - would you go to howling stones with a guildmate who wanted to go but was only lvl 52? Some would and some wouldn't, but if you did you would be in essence powerlevelling them.

Hey, anyone want to goto Howling Stones?!?!? Level 52 shaman LFG in HS South Wing.

Getting people to goto HS and other older dungeons that I'd love to explore/need quest stuff from is like pulling windom teeth with a rusty pliars. No offense to guildmates, I completely understand... if I was 61+ and everything was green you'd have to really motivate me to go someplace where I'd be essentially powerleveling you. I'm looking forward to this change.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » March 7, 2003, 2:37 pm

Soriathus Serpentine wrote:Hey, anyone want to goto Howling Stones?!?!? Level 52 shaman LFG in HS South Wing.

In about 6 more levels

HS is one of my favorite zones, great exp to ~57

Taly · Post by **Taly** » March 8, 2003, 3:40 am

I personally think this is a good idea and i hope they go thru with adding that new zone for 50 plus to lake of ill omen aswell.