Red Dead Redemption

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 2, 2010, 3:52 pm

Check out this video regarding multiplayer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9xLhVM2PtY

Mexican Stand off is a cool idea. (keep it south of the border boys!)

The graphics and game play options look awesome.

May 18th!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 2, 2010, 4:11 pm

All of the gameplay videos have been fascinating. I'm not a huge fan of westerns, but goddamn I cannot wait to play this game! The attention to detail is amazing.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 3, 2010, 3:14 pm

If you haven't checked out this game yet, do it already. It's gonna be grrrrrreat!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 4, 2010, 5:03 pm

If you have a choice, it's already rumored that the 360 version is superior to the PS3 version. Granted, when most people have a choice they go 360 anyway, but just thought I would throw this information out there for anyone who is interested in getting the best version of a particular game.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 4, 2010, 5:29 pm

This isn't neogaf, dude.

I don't think anyone on VV really gives a flying fuck about marginal FPS differences, tearing or side by side, frame by frame comparisons of multi-platform games.

What would you know about video quality anyway?
You probably think the videos you're watching on your ipad are HD...

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 4, 2010, 5:45 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:If you have a choice, it's already rumored that the 360 version is superior to the PS3 version. Granted, when most people have a choice they go 360 anyway, but just thought I would throw this information out there for anyone who is interested in getting the best version of a particular game.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 4, 2010, 5:46 pm

miir wrote:This isn't neogaf, dude.

I don't think anyone on VV really gives a flying fuck about marginal FPS differences, tearing or side by side, frame by frame comparisons of multi-platform games.

What would you know about video quality anyway?
You probably think the videos you're watching on your ipad are HD...

Well it depends, if it's marginal, like you said then I don't. But in some cases where games have looked very noticeably better on one platform or the other, and there isn't multiplayer involved, I'd like the info. That being said I would want the info to be from a reliable source that had a side by side comparison and isn't a drooling fanboy of either platform.

For example I got FF13 and Darksiders for the PS3 based on what I thought to be reliable info stating that the games looked noticeably better on the PS3.

I'm not too interested in this one at any rate. If reviewers are lining up to verbally suck it off after it's released then I may consider it but I'll still be hesitant due to my complete inability to get further than 10 hours into a open world game.

P.S. Fuck the Ipad.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 4, 2010, 5:51 pm

my complete inability to get further than 10 hours into a open world game

You suck!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 4, 2010, 5:52 pm

How dare I talk about video games on a video game forum?!?

/nerd rage

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 4, 2010, 6:13 pm

PS3 BLOWS! Its supporters are so fed up with hearing about it's crap ass quality compared to 360 releases they're getting snippy!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 4, 2010, 6:32 pm

I get PS3 version of games. Trophies > Achievements. You know it's true.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 4, 2010, 6:41 pm

The main thing that xbox has over ps3 is cross game chat IMO. I kind of don't look forward to 50 hours of FF13 on the ps3 without the ability to talk with a couple of my RL gaming buddies.

And I'm still partial to acheivements over trophies because I'm neck and neck with several RL friends for overall gamerscore. I think people are more attached to whichever system they were first exposed.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 9, 2010, 12:51 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 9, 2010, 10:24 pm

Having seen some of the gameplay vids of this game, it look so damn good that I would even play it with VV liberals. I have a weakness for that genre and have never found a game that does what this one is going to do. Rockstar was the right company to take this on.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 10, 2010, 10:55 am

Normally, i don't care much for games in the "Wild West"-setting, i skipped on Juarez for example, but this seems to be so good and well made that it's very hard to resist.

Wild West-games are normally at the bottom of the barrel for me, but for a game to make someone like me interested (highly) in it, says good things about this game.

Even if you weren't interested in the Wild West earlier, Red Dead surely creates a huge interest!

This game seems to be so good that i'd even play it with VV-liberals!

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 10, 2010, 1:08 pm

This game is going to be so good that I'd even play it with people whose minds are seemingly locked into an irrationally idealistic political spectrum!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 10, 2010, 1:19 pm

Would the liberals play the people on the stagecoach that get robbed or the bank tellers? I can't see them picking up a gun.

PS. The Gatling Gun looks cool!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 12, 2010, 7:40 pm

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 12, 2010, 8:34 pm

Is this just a re-themed GTA game? If so, I think I will pass. Nifty idea if it is completely original and doesn't fall into the repetitive open-world monotony.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 13, 2010, 2:49 am

Canelek wrote:Is this just a re-themed GTA game? If so, I think I will pass. Nifty idea if it is completely original and doesn't fall into the repetitive open-world monotony.

I think the multiplayer approach will lift the monotony.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 14, 2010, 5:34 pm

Just grabbed this.

Only played a little.

Thoughts so far: Holy fuck.

This is disgustingly good so far. A+ everything.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 15, 2010, 9:28 pm

This game is off the charts good.

no spoilers here.

The level of immersion is way above GTAIV which is a huge compliment to Rockstar Games.

Best rain ever in a game. The skies opened up, the visibility and rain looked perfect...the puddles that gathered during the storm, remained for a time after it stopped. I could almost smell the negative ions in the air!

The dialogue exchanges in this game between characters are worthy of being compared to ME2 although RDR takes it way beyond ME2 with the best lip syncing, character animations yet in a game. Even the smallest of side quests have top notch voice acting and animation/scripting.

Horse controls are excellent. They found a way to give you complete riding freedom while also making it easy to stick together if riding with a posse.

The game isn't concerned if you successfully complete many of the challenges. I've failed a few things. I don't think I can retry those particular things, making it more of a personal experience as opposed to retrying same thing over and over.

The variety of smaller quests in the game is impressive. They are well integrated into the game so you just happen upon them naturally. As with GTA, you can kill people that start quests. Sometimes it's hard to tell who's good and bad out there. I know I've killed one of two people that maybe didn't deserve it. One kinda startled me in the rain as I approached his campsite. Sorry there hoss!

The main character has an excellent good/bad balance to him. I also feel the honor system is justified. You don't have to be a goodie two-shoes to do mostly the right things and it's possible to get frustrated and maybe blow away someone at the poker table and still be able to make it up somewhere else bringing in someone off a Wanted poster...dead or alive.

Attention to detail is evident everywhere you look in this game. I'm most impressed with the natural way everything moves along. I have no sense at all of a linear line of quests...zero. I have kinda gone where my horse takes me and have had a blast.

There are plenty of stats in this game to check out and have fun with. Looks like there are 10 or so outfits you can get for your character...but they aren't easy. The first extra outfit available to me requires six different mini quests to complete in order to obtain the outfit....anywhere from helping herd some cows to grazing land, helping patrol a ranch, killing (or bringing in alive) a member of a certain gang...helping defend this or that...finding scraps of cloth in certain areas....all just for one outfit. Some outfits are beneficial...one outfit helps with poker percentages or something so it gives some incentive to obtain these things.

There is limited ammo but it hasn't been a problem. You can loot dead bodies (I even looted some dead lady I failed to protect). You can skin just about any critter you kill and there are skill levels obtainable if you skin enough of a certain animal or find herbs, etc...none of it gets tedious and you can run down a pack of coyotes on your way across the country if you spot them.

After long trips to quest locations are finished, you're free to roam, or if you don't feel like it, can build a campfire and wisk yourself away to a city or other place, with 6 hours going by.(same as sleeping in one of your home locations).

This game does NOT feel like GTA in the west. Rockstar has built upon it's foundations and made an awesome game. I can only imagine how great the next GTA will be. RDR has better graphics, equal or better voice acting, better scripting, amazing environment, excellent shooting mechanics, excellent "vehicle" (horse) controls...horse is responsive but it takes some work, as it would with a real horse, to get it going. Rockstar and Bioware are two companies that stand out as being able to make significant improvements on already great platforms.

If the Official Launch Trailer doesn't get you excited for this game, perhaps you should skip it!

http://www.rockstargames.com/

I'm maintaining my "holy fuck" rating of this game through 4 hours of play. At this point, it would be worth getting even if it crashed and was unplayable the next time I loaded it up.

Keep in mind I can't even touch the many multiplayer parts of this game.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 16, 2010, 8:43 am

Nice review!

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 16, 2010, 2:37 pm

Thanks Winnow, was gonna grab this anyways, but always nice with a decent review!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 16, 2010, 5:50 pm

Fair posted this picture above.

To give you an idea of the scale of this humongous area. (the larger map shown here is only the upper part of the entire map)

The little lake part (red lines) is the screen shot blown up.

Glad I built up loyalty with my horse so I get max stamina out of it!

....doh, wolves just killed my horse while I wrote this.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » May 17, 2010, 2:48 am

Good Deal at Toys r Us.

Red Dead Redemption wannabe owners should keep an eye out on their local Toys R Us this Tuesday as they will have a $25 Gift Card available with purchase of the game. However, the deal is time limited and you have to be a Rewards R Us member. K-Mart and Amazon also are offering Gift Cards for this game.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 17, 2010, 12:07 pm

Hmmm. Thanks for the review, Winnow.

The non-repetition part may be a clincher for me. Still may wait though--I have had 0 time to play games the last couple weeks, and I pick up my puppy on Wednesday, so will have my hands quite full!

Still, this game is starting to look quite appealing!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 17, 2010, 1:51 pm

Metacritic score is 96% right now for 360 and 93% for PS3. Nice numbers all around!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 17, 2010, 1:56 pm

That obviously indicates the 360 version is superior to the PS3 version by the way.

/cue miir rage

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 17, 2010, 2:13 pm

You're right. I should point out that there are different reviews for each platform. Thanks Aslanna.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 17, 2010, 3:03 pm

I think the difference in the reviews show the obvious gayness of PS3 owners.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 17, 2010, 3:11 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I think the difference in the reviews show the obvious gayness of PS3 owners.

+1

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 17, 2010, 3:25 pm

NO! They had to LOWER the AWESOME ps3 resolution so that.. so that FAGbox owners wouldn't look like IDIOTS for having an inferior system.. ha ha hahahaah. the reviews just reflect potential. sony knowingly made it worse, see?!?!?!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 17, 2010, 7:51 pm

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 17, 2010, 8:01 pm

PS3 Sucks! PS3 has always had issues handling a buttload of textures. I can see why (if the above comparison is accurate) why that would be the case. RDR is a man's game. Some thrown in retail graphics card in a junk system isn't going to be able to handle its awesomeness.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 17, 2010, 8:11 pm

Looks like more of a lighting, gamma and resolution setting difference there.

Objective source or fanboi source?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 17, 2010, 8:22 pm

Total fanboi image. I would even guess the "ps3" version is shot off screen. There is no way the difference is that drastic. I was just fishing for some Miir nerd rage, lol.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 17, 2010, 9:54 pm

I think you caught a Winnow

masteen · Post by **masteen** » May 18, 2010, 8:41 pm

After watching some GTA multi at my friend's house, I'm pretty much sold on picking up an xbox so I can ride around the old west ganking shit.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 18, 2010, 8:51 pm

Plan on picking this up tomorrow, gonna trade in some games for my first time, eeeeep! Looks like an amazing game, I loved Gun, guess I'm more of a western fan than I thought I was.

Can we get a spell check on the thread title tho? ><

Zygar_ Cthulhukin · Post by **Zygar_ Cthulhukin** » May 18, 2010, 8:51 pm

GTA has multi!?!?!?!

Zygar_ Cthulhukin · Post by **Zygar_ Cthulhukin** » May 18, 2010, 8:57 pm

Got this for my son from Amazon preorder. Got $20 gift card, $5 worth of mp3 downloads, and the golden gun pack. Pretty sweet deal.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 18, 2010, 11:33 pm

Our review copies of Red Dead Redemption have arrived, which means it's time to get to work on some coverage. Rockstar sent both a PS3 and a 360 version of the game, and many people are wondering which version to get, so we thought we'd do a quick comparison.

This is non-scientific, but after playing an hour of both games, and switching back and forth between the two systems on our display, it's clear that the 360 version has quite the graphical advantage. It's sharper, with much less aliasing. The faces of the characters were clearer in the opening section. Gameplay sections likewise looked better, with smoother graphics across the board. The PlayStation 3 version looked impressive, but there was a noticeable jump in quality while playing on the 360.

Keep in mind that the game doesn't look bad on the PS3—not by any stretch—but based on our time with the game and direct comparisons, the 360 version looks better. If you purchase the PS3 version of the game you're not going to be let down, but if you have the choice, pick up a copy for the 360.

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Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 19, 2010, 12:14 am

Oops!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 19, 2010, 2:02 am

I played about 15-20 minutes of it then went back to plug away at more GTA4. It's pretty comforting using the exact same control scheme for both games

I liked what I saw. It looks great!

I know I've said this before, but I always love seeing all my friends on xbox playing a new game on release day. The avatars and the games that the people are playing is integrated very well. Everyone was playing RDD. Not a single person was playing Alan Wake, which is kind of surprising to me.

I think I've still got 4-5 more hours of GTA4 left before I can move on. That game is huge! I've dumped all the social stuff in order to speed things up a little, but I didn't really care for that stuff anyway so no big loss.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » May 19, 2010, 9:45 am

2 hours into the game and I'm loving it. I'll try to be a good guy during my first time, then switch it up to a bad guy the next time I play.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » May 19, 2010, 12:32 pm

Loved GUN...this is 100x better!

Game is worth every damn penny, although the code servers and multiplayer were having issues lastnight but its release day, and I imagine this game sold a ton.

Can't wait to get home from work!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 19, 2010, 11:22 pm

Red Dead Redemption PS3 vs Xbox 360: “PS3 is Pathetic”

After the release of Rockstar’s GTA western Red Dead Redemption, the major topic for discussion is not the game itself but instead the alleged inferiority of the PS3 version, which Rockstar claims is “identical” but critics claim runs at a lower resolution and with significantly degraded visuals.

The major difference is said to be a likely 640p resolution on the PS3 (upscaled to 720p), compared to full 720p on the Xbox 360, a not insignificant 20% difference. Other apparent inferiorities include less grass, rougher antialiasing and lower framerates.

Opinions range from calling the differences a matter of personal preference to condemning the PS3 as the inferior console.

The game itself is being heralded as a masterpeice and certain Game of the Year candidate, so whatever platform squabbles ensue, the game itself is beyond reproach.

Even so, players are wondering just why a game with a budget in the hundreds of millions is suffering from the same lazy porting which afflicts so many supposedly identical “multiplatform” games.

It's a shame the PS3 sucks so much. RDR looks amazing on the 360.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 20, 2010, 7:32 am

Winnow wrote:
Red Dead Redemption PS3 vs Xbox 360: “PS3 is Pathetic”

After the release of Rockstar’s GTA western Red Dead Redemption, the major topic for discussion is not the game itself but instead the alleged inferiority of the PS3 version, which Rockstar claims is “identical” but critics claim runs at a lower resolution and with significantly degraded visuals.

The major difference is said to be a likely 640p resolution on the PS3 (upscaled to 720p), compared to full 720p on the Xbox 360, a not insignificant 20% difference. Other apparent inferiorities include less grass, rougher antialiasing and lower framerates.

Opinions range from calling the differences a matter of personal preference to condemning the PS3 as the inferior console.

The game itself is being heralded as a masterpeice and certain Game of the Year candidate, so whatever platform squabbles ensue, the game itself is beyond reproach.

Even so, players are wondering just why a game with a budget in the hundreds of millions is suffering from the same lazy porting which afflicts so many supposedly identical “multiplatform” games.
It's a shame the PS3 sucks so much. RDR looks amazing on the 360.

The game uses the same engine as GTA4 used and suffers from the exact same little differences as that game had as well.
It isn't a huge deal.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 20, 2010, 9:50 am

We first picked up on the fact that the PS3 version of Rockstar’s Red Dead Redemption was visually inferior in terms of resolution yesterday, reporting on information from the Beyond3D forums. Since then, other sites (presumably with access to both versions) have listed some more of the differences.

It’s worth re-iterating that Rockstar sent TheSixthAxis the Xbox 360 version of the game to review, which we scored 10/10, but it’s also worth noting that this in itself isn’t unusual; with multi-format releases we normally get the Xbox version, sometimes with a handy, informative review guide that highlights any differences between the two versions.

So, what are those differences?

Resolution

Firstly, as we said yesterday, the PS3 version of Red Dead Redemption runs at a significantly lower resolution than the Xbox 360 version. 640 by 1152 pixels, in fact, compared to the Xbox 360’s 720 by 1280, which is 184,000 pixels missing, or about 20%. What does this mean? Well, you’ll actually see less on the PS3 version, with a lower resolution display blown up to fill the same physical space on your TV screen, as can be seen in these comparison shots.

Anti-aliasing

The Xbox 360 version of RDR looks super sharp, but with nicely smoothed edges where the edges should be, due to the 360’s 2x multi-sampling anti-aliasing which specifically targets the edges of polygons. The PS3 version, however, uses an ‘all over’ quincunx effect which simply blurs the overall image just before you see it. Coupled with the lower resolution, this quincunx effect actually serves to make the image even more blurry, which is a shame.

Missing Objects

The PS3 version, in spite of simpler visual post-processing effects as mentioned above, still manages to actually have missing objects throughout the game. Indeed, areas of grass are more patchy, shadows are simpler (and sometimes missing) and the overall effect is a less densely populated landscape, which is particularly noticable when compared with the Xbox 360 version in the same areas. The trees in particular look blocky and simplified on the PlayStation 3 version. Does this affect the game? No, but it’s frustrating to see.

Simpler Objects

Textures appear more basic and low resolution, there’s some missing self-shadowing, the level of detail pop-ins are more obvious, and there are missing characters on signs in the PS3 version. Naturally, the polygonal models are the same where really important (the main protagonists) but again, in terms of what’s out there in the backgrounds and the scenery, it’s a little more basic than we’d have liked.

Framerate

And yet, despite all this, the PS3 version doesn’t manage to hold up the same framerate as the silky smooth Xbox 360 version. It’s hardly bad (and there’s some argument as to whether it’s even better than the one in Grand Theft Auto IV) but, according to reports, not nearly a constant frame rate which is actually suprising given the graphical chops and changes presumably made to actually assist the frame rate. This is the only key area which affects gameplay – how much is probably down to the individual gamer.

So, there you have it. A 10/10 game with some glaring visual differences. We still have no reservation in recommending the game, because it’s utterly brilliant, but if you’ve got a choice between the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions (and have equal number of mates playing either) then we’d probably have to suggest you plump for the Xbox version. Here’s hoping Rockstar manage to patch out some of the above issues for Sony-only owners, though.

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/05/20/ ... nt-page-3/

seems pretty damn clear that the PS3 version is inferior.