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http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/ne...ice-cut/?biz=1

"I think the consumer wants to see better value on the PlayStation 3." -Mike Griffith, Activision Publishing

"[We're] disappointed," Sega of America's VP of Marketing Sean Ratcliffe told us. "I just think it must be hard for Sony to balance three live platforms – that's not something Nintendo or Microsoft have to contend with. ... I think from a platform point of view, we would like to see Sony sell more PS3s. It's good for us as a publisher. We think it's a great [machine] and that for consumers, if they hit a sweet spot with price point that would bring more consumers to that platform. I think because of the success of PS2 people were automatically expecting PS3 to be the natural successor, and that actually really hasn't happened yet."

He continued, "We need as many consoles out there as possible so our games [can sell to a larger installed base] so I hope they do something on price, especially in this economy. It's really tough. I was talking to some of our counterparts in Europe and I think in Spain the unemployment rate is going be around 20% by the end of this year. And so it's not just the console itself; you have to invest in the TV and so on. I think Sony needs to recognize that and hopefully do something about it this year."

When we met with Activision Publishing boss Mike Griffith and asked him for his reaction to the lack of a price cut from Sony, we observed noticeable disappointment in his face. He sighed and answered, "Yeah, I think the consumer wants to see better value on that platform. It's really up to Sony to figure out what they'll do with the price. ... History would say they'll get there."

Bobby Kotick, Chief Executive of Activision Blizzard was more direct, telling Bloomberg without specifically naming PS3, "I was disappointed not to see any sort of aggressive price cutting. Of all the things that the hardware companies need to be doing right now, it's recognizing the difficulties of the economy and pricing their hardware appropriately."

Retailers of course would like to be able to move more units as well. GameStop, the largest video game retailer in the world, is likely tired of seeing dust accumulating on their PS3 boxes.

"The hardware price points, where they are right now given this economic environment, are too high," added GameStop Chief Executive Officer Daniel DeMatteo. "If the platform holders are going to make the numbers that they've forecasted for the year, those numbers will have to change."

Despite the considerable outcry for a price drop from gamers and the industry itself, Sony Computer Entertainment boss Kaz Hirai maintains that Sony is pleased with the current price. "We're very happy with the price point that we have," he said to Bloomberg. "We will move when we think it's appropriate at some point in time."


http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3174671

There were a ton of big announcements at E3 this year, but one thing we didn't see -- from any of the big three -- were price cuts. For Activision Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick, that was a bummer.
"I was disappointed not to see any sort of aggressive price cutting," Kotick said to Bloomberg on the last day of E3 (via Edge-Online). "Of all the things that the hardware companies need to be doing right now, it's recognizing the difficulties of the economy and pricing their hardware appropriately."

It's a familiar refrain for Kotick, who criticized the pricing of all three consoles back in March, saying they had not reached a "mass-market" point. According to Bloomberg, GameStop head Dan DeMatteo agrees. "The hardware price points, where they are right now given this economic environment, are too high," DeMatteo said. "If the platform holders are going to make the numbers that they've forecasted for the year, those numbers will have to change." And according to UBS AG, worldwide shipments of consoles and handhelds are expected to drop by 7 percent in the fiscal year ending March 2010 -- which would be the first annual drop in six years.

But Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, meanwhile, have not made any indications that price drops will come any time soon. "We're very happy with the price point that we have," said Sony Computer Entertainment CEO Kaz Hirai in an interview earlier this week. "We will move when we think it?s appropriate at some point in time."
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I hope Gamestop has extra storage for all the PSP GOs they'll be getting!
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Where's the pricecut from the game publishers? $60 games = high !

If I were a game retailer I'm not even sure I would carry the Go at first. Why sell a device when all of the software that runs on it will be downloaded meaning you won't get any of that pie?
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Aslanna wrote:Where's the pricecut from the game publishers? $60 games = high !

If I were a game retailer I'm not even sure I would carry the Go at first. Why sell a device when all of the software that runs on it will be downloaded meaning you won't get any of that pie?
Agreed on both fronts. On the plus side, they do drop in price pretty fast, much like DVD releases now. I'm to the point that I don't buy many first day movie releases because they're on sale within weeks or in the cheapie bin within 4-6 months. I've been following game sales a great deal lately, and the same thing is true for the majority of games. You just have to know where to look! Most of the games that were out 6 months ago are drastically reduced in price right now.

As far as DLed content, that is the bane of Gamestop's price model. I would think they would be sweating this trend pretty hard behind the scenes. It's only a matter of time before they become mostly obsolete, much like video stores.

I will always buy a physical copy so I can resell it later, trade in when I am done, or lend out to friends and family. That is, unless the DLable version was drastically cheaper!
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I think Activision and Sega are just grasaping at straws, trying to make excuses for thier shitty sales...
The only decent games Activision has are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty and Sega's lineup is just fucking loaded with shitty games.

The PS3 is selling at a faster rate (cumulative from date of release) than the 360, so it's not a situation where people are not buying the consoles because they are too expensive. People are just not wasting their hard earned money on shitty, hyped games... Sega and Activision are two of the worst shovelware peddlars in the industry.

Aslana hit the nail on the head.. $60 (up to $70 in Canada) is a insulting price for most of the shit these publishers are releasing. Full price games that can be finished in one sitting like Wolverine and Terminator are a slap in the face to consumers.
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miir wrote:I think Activision and Sega are just grasaping at straws, trying to make excuses for thier shitty sales...
The only decent games Activision has are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty and Sega's lineup is just fucking loaded with shitty games.

The PS3 is selling at a faster rate (cumulative from date of release) than the 360, so it's not a situation where people are not buying the consoles because they are too expensive. People are just not wasting their hard earned money on shitty, hyped games... Sega and Activision are two of the worst shovelware peddlars in the industry.

Aslana hit the nail on the head.. $60 (up to $70 in Canada) is a insulting price for most of the shit these publishers are releasing. Full price games that can be finished in one sitting like Wolverine and Terminator are a slap in the face to consumers.
I agree on the price of games being absurd, but I'll take it a step further and say even if it's a great game $60 is bullshit, hell I don't care if Nintendo games were the same price 20 years ago. What really bugs me is the pc versions of games that come out the same day and are 20 dollars cheaper than the console version.

However, if you think that Activision is having any trouble selling games you need to get your head examined, shovelware or not (and the Guitar Hero games are not) they sell plenty of copies of games.

Guitar Hero 3 first game to reach 1 billion in sales

That would seem to be a good example of how bad their sales aren't doing.
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The only decent games Activision has are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty
Look at the rest of their console games lineup...
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miir wrote:
The only decent games Activision has are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty
Look at the rest of their console games lineup...
Yeah but Guitar Hero and Call of Duty sell so damn many copies it probably more than makes up for the garbage.
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Funkmasterr wrote:
miir wrote:
The only decent games Activision has are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty
Look at the rest of their console games lineup...
Yeah but Guitar Hero and Call of Duty sell so damn many copies it probably more than makes up for the garbage.
Edit: Not defending them, I'm just saying.. Those are two HUGE selling franchises.
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Looking beyond simple sales figures... Has there really been any innovation from the Guitar Hero camp other than Rock Band? I'm probably in the minority but I'm a bit tired of all those games. How hard is it to add a few new graphics and songs? They're making a nice profit off it but it falls under shovelware in my book!

Also, I didn't have a Nintendo 20 years ago, but I don't think the games were $60. I would imagine $40 maybe? Someone who bought games back then let us know!
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I rememer paying an obscene amount (close to any collector's edition nowadays) for a Final Fantasy 4(or was it 6) cart back in the day.
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I can remember my dad buying Top Gun for the NES when it came out, I was probably about 6-8 which would have put it in the late 80's, and it was 60 dollars. I think most games were that expensive, at least the good ones.
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The last game I really remember saving for and buying was Final Fantasy 3 on the SNES, and that was 40$. The little gaming store on the corner messed up and sold it to me a day early too! I remember there were Jap versions available that were like 75$ (but was called FF6 or whatever). That same store sold be Final Fantasy 7 for the Playstation 2 days early as well. They've been out of business for years. It was just a little mom and pop place and I honestly think they sold everything as soon as they got it and either didn't know or didn't care about street dates.

Regular Nintendo games were around 30$ I think?
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Yeah I'd honestly be surprised if the average (non-collector version) Nintendo game went for $60 in the 80s/90s. The $60 game is really a current-gen thing for the most part near as I can tell. But, as I said, I didn't have any sort of console during those periods so just guessing!
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Aslanna wrote:Yeah I'd honestly be surprised if the average (non-collector version) Nintendo game went for $60 in the 80s/90s. The $60 game is really a current-gen thing for the most part near as I can tell. But, as I said, I didn't have any sort of console during those periods so just guessing!
I don't remember most games on Nintendo being $60, however there were always few that were. I remember buying Super Mario Brothers 3 for $59.99. I can still see the font and cover etc on the plastic sleeve where you pulled the slip of paper from to purchase the game at the counter.

I think most of the Nintendo games my parents bought me were between $39-59. In fact, all console games follow this pattern unless I went to local game stores and bought used ones.

I'm getting pretty sick of the cost of games now. I've bought several for the $40-60 price tag and been severely disappointed. My wife actually gets angry when I suggest buying new games because she's seen me buy them, play them for a little bit and then never touch them again. The only 2 games that I feel like I got my money's worth in the last year or so was L4D and Plants vs Zombies. I got L4D 50% off and PvZ gave you an hour to play the full game before purchasing for $5. I don't know that I'd have purchased L4D at full price, but with how much I have played it, I wouldn't have minded.

A big part of the problem is that the games just aren't all that enjoyable to me and it's not worth the $40-60 price tag to find out. Add on to it, the demos either don't exist or are so severely lacking, it's not convincing enough to buy. PvZ's price tag and full hour demo was MORE than enough to convince me and I told almost anyone I knew who liked casual gaming to buy it, because it was that enjoyable and the price was so reasonable.
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Roughly two months ago, Signal Hill analyst Todd Greenwald said publishers would ease up on the standard $60 pricing for Triple-A games, but now he's changing his tune. According to Greenwald (via GamesIndustry.biz), the $60 price tag won't change anytime soon, as consumers are satisfied with the current pricing and enjoy spending more on premium-priced special edition software. So it's all your fault.

Although, with a growing market for cheap, used games (Toys R' Us and Amazon joining the fray) and a trend towards cost-cutting digital distribution, you'd think there would be even more pressure put on the relatively high retail pricing. Greenwald takes this into account, too; he states that although "near-term fundamentals are holding up well," a long-term projection is "cloudy." In short, as long as games continue to fly off the shelves like they are now, $59.99 is here to stay.
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Nintendo, MS to join Activision in game price increase
According to an online games retailer, Nintendo and Microsoft are to join Activision in raising the price of their video games. Forza 3 has reportedly been confirmed to ship with a RRP of 49.99 UKP
"Whether planned, or a case of jumping on the popular franchises bandwagon, we have seen Microsoft increase the price of Forza 3 to £49.99 and Nintendo increase the price of Professor Layton And Pandora's Box to £34.99," ShopTo.Net told Eurogamer.

Of course, it's still up to the retailers how much they charged customers, so if you're willing to shop around you'll still find the game cheaper than full RRP. ShopTo.Net, for example, has Forza 3 listed at £37.95. Still, the prices are rising, so we can all expect to pay more for our videogames in the lead up to the busy Christmas period.

Activision... talk about some cheeky bastards! I like how they raise their prices yet call for a price cut on a console. Makes sense.. More console customers equals more potential sales for games you raise the price on. Doesn't make them less of hypocrite though.
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Sony and Nintendo posted their numbers yesterday.

The recession is hurting everyone but Sony is taking it especially hard.

http://kotaku.com/5326121/ps3-psp-sales ... -sales-up-
But good news first! In the first quarter of the 2008 fiscal year, Sony sold 1.5 million PlayStation 2 consoles worldwide. In Q1 2009? That number was up to 1.6 million! Nice to see a $99 price-point having an effect.

Things weren't so rosy for the PS3 and PSP, however. PS3 sales were down from 1.6 million in Q108 to 1.1 million in Q109, while PSP sales were...well, abysmal. Down from 3.7 million to just 1.3 million. Those numbers were so poor, in fact, that Sony singled the handheld out as a key contributor to a record loss in operating income for Sony's Networked Products & Services Group, which saw the division lose ¥39.7 billion.

For Sony, that PSPgo (and PS3 Slim, for that matter) can't come soon enough.
Nintendo's sales are down 40% cause Wii and DS demand has slowed.

http://kotaku.com/5326148/nintendo-sale ... 40-percent
According to Nintendo, "In the console business, there were fewer blockbuster software titles that briskly drove hardware sales this June quarter versus the same period a year ago when titles like Mario Kart Wii and Wii Fit were launch in overseas markets."

What's more, the high appreciate of the Japanese yen has negatively impacted net sales to the tune of ¥253 billion compared to ¥423 billion during the same period last year.

Net income was also down, clocking at ¥42.3 billion — a 60.6 percent drop. Even in this downward economy, Nintendo certainly does remain profitable, just not as profitable.
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Aslanna wrote: Activision... talk about some cheeky bastards! I like how they raise their prices yet call for a price cut on a console. Makes sense.. More console customers equals more potential sales for games you raise the price on. Doesn't make them less of hypocrite though.
Yea, many Activision games are like $10 more than other games.
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If Sony can't sell PSPs at $160, who the hell believes that the PSP Go is going to do well at $250? Argh. So frustrating.
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