I don't think they got the notice not to fuck with U.S. flagged ships. Even for uneducated pirate types, it shouldn't be too difficult to understand that the U.S. doesn't put up with this kind of shit unlike other countries.
Bad move! The pirates are in for an ass stomping, be it covertly or public. I can imagine the SEAL teams are licking their chops!
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Pirates in boats are searching for the lifeboat containing four pirates and their hostage -- the captain of a freighter they failed to hijack earlier this week -- according to a U.S. military official with knowledge of the situation.
The pirates are using ships they have already hijacked and larger ships from which they are launching skiffs, the official said Friday.
The U.S. military has been monitoring communications between the pirates, the official said. The guided missile frigate USS Halyburton, with helicopter capabilities, has now joined the guided missile destroyer USS Bainbridge in the area. A third ship, the amphibious assault ship USS Boxer, which has a large medical facility on board, will be there within a day.
Richard Phillips, the hostage, tried to escape from the pirates Thursday night by jumping out of the lifeboat, a U.S. official said Friday.
CBS is reporting the Captain is free and 3 of the 4 pirates arrrrrhhhhh dead.
When I was younger, I used to think that the world was doing it to me and that the world owes me some thing…When you're a teeny bopper, that's what you think. I'm 40 now, I don't think that anymore, because I found out it doesn't f--king work. One has to go through that. For the people who even bother to go through that, most assholes just accept what it is anyway and get on with it." - John Lennon
Yeah, I don't think many countries would be upset if we cleared out a few pirate bases.
When I was younger, I used to think that the world was doing it to me and that the world owes me some thing…When you're a teeny bopper, that's what you think. I'm 40 now, I don't think that anymore, because I found out it doesn't f--king work. One has to go through that. For the people who even bother to go through that, most assholes just accept what it is anyway and get on with it." - John Lennon
Now that the pirates have vowed revenge, I would get a nice small tanker, throw an American flag on it, and pack it with a team or 2 of Navy Seals. I would then float this little ship around Somali waters for a couple of months and kill every motherfucker that tried to highjack it. Maybe when thier raiding parties start routinely never coming back from missions, they would get the hint that being a pirate is not a good line of work.
they don't need to attack a US vessel to retaliate. they'll probably be killing people in future attacks, US or French nationals if they happen to find any, and will blame it on the US for raising the bar of violence
I TOLD YOU ID SHOOT! BUT YOU DIDNT BELIEVE ME! WHY DIDNT YOU BELIEVE ME?
What we need is more gun control. These navy snipers can not be allowed to legally own guns and go from country to country killing innocent pirates with retribution.
We were at easter dinner talking about the pirate situation, and I said why don't they just put a few snipers on a steady platform and shoot all of the pirates at the same time?... Got home after dinner to find out that's pretty much what they did.
Sabek wrote:What we need is more gun control. These navy snipers can not be allowed to legally own guns and go from country to country killing innocent pirates with retribution.
Dude... Have I missed a discussion here where advocates of gun control here have indicated that gun control could or should apply to military or police? Wanting a tighter control over civilian weapons has nothing to do with this, so the comment is way misplaced and kind of silly. IMO, it fails at poking fun at the gun control crowd (of which I'm a member).
As for the decision to take them out with sniper rifles, I don't think there were any other viable options. This is the way I expected it to play out if the negotiation (which is a bit of a misnomer in this situation) failed. Maybe it's just because I'm a vet and have always been interested in special operations tools, tactics and training, but it amuses me at how mystified the media is that this kind of operation could play out in such a precise manner.
"When I was a kid, my father told me, 'Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it.'" - Russel Ziskey
Sabek wrote:What we need is more gun control. These navy snipers can not be allowed to legally own guns and go from country to country killing innocent pirates with retribution.
I'm trying to think of a response that can convery how stupid I think this statement is, but I just can't do it. It's like trying to draw the face of god.
Xatrei wrote:
Dude... Have I missed a discussion here where advocates of gun control here have indicated that gun control could or should apply to military or police? Wanting a tighter control over civilian weapons has nothing to do with this, so the comment is way misplaced and kind of silly. IMO, it fails at poking fun at the gun control crowd (of which I'm a member).
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It appears he is indeed poking at your absurdities. If the civilians on the ships were armed, the pirates would not be running amok right now doing whatever the hell they pleased.
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:It appears he is indeed poking at your absurdities. If the civilians on the ships were armed, the pirates would not be running amok right now doing whatever the hell they pleased.
On this, we agree. I want better controls over the civilian sale and transfer of weapons and ammo, but I don't oppose all gun ownership (I know that you don't really distinguish between these two positions, and view us all as gun grabbers, so save that tangent for someone else). There is a time and a place for appropriate use of force, and defending your ship from pirate nutsacks is certainly one of those. I think it's foolish for shipping companies to favor paying out ransoms over allowing real defense of ships and crews for fear of escalating hostilities with the pirates.
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"When I was a kid, my father told me, 'Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it.'" - Russel Ziskey
Oh....and if any of you neo-cons in Ohio are looking to get a concealed carry license anytime in the near future or are needing to get your recertification done, hit me up and I will give you my special friends rate. Hell...any of you dirty liberals in Ohio I would give the reduced price to, even if I can't stand you....same with just a plain safety course for you or your families (which I would do for free really).
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:It appears he is indeed poking at your absurdities. If the civilians on the ships were armed, the pirates would not be running amok right now doing whatever the hell they pleased.
On this, we agree. I want better controls over the civilian sale and transfer of weapons and ammo, but I don't oppose all gun ownership (I know that you don't really distinguish between these two positions, and view us all as gun grabbers, so save that tangent for someone else). There is a time and a place for appropriate use of force, and defending your ship from pirate nutsacks is certainly one of those. I think it's foolish for shipping companies to favor paying out ransoms over allowing real defense of ships and crews for fear of escalating hostilities with the pirates.
I will say this again and I mean it: I will fully back you on anything along those lines and will write my congressman and my NRA cronies the same day that you and your liberal homies have removed every firearm from every criminal in the hoods that is not allowed to own one. Deal?
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:It appears he is indeed poking at your absurdities. If the civilians on the ships were armed, the pirates would not be running amok right now doing whatever the hell they pleased.
The good guys won without a bunch of civilians trying to be Rambo. Also, they all lived.
I thought it was a fantastic move that worked brilliantly. And just like Fash, thats exactly what I thought they should have done and was telling a friend of mine about it.
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:It appears he is indeed poking at your absurdities. If the civilians on the ships were armed, the pirates would not be running amok right now doing whatever the hell they pleased.
The good guys won without a bunch of civilians trying to be Rambo. Also, they all lived.
THIS group was taken out with no casualty to the good guys. The same cannot be said for all the others.
Are you a complete idiot or do you just play one on here? Most of the right wing "gun nuts" as you would refer to them will outshoot 95% of the police officers in this country. Most departments have no specified trainign regimen for their firearms and are only required to qualify once a year. Their qualifications are less rigorous than what most of the reputable NRA trainers require in Ohio to pass your CCW range test.
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Are you a complete idiot or do you just play one on here? Most of the right wing "gun nuts" as you would refer to them will outshoot 95% of the police officers in this country. Most departments have no specified trainign regimen for their firearms and are only required to qualify once a year. Their qualifications are less rigorous than what most of the reputable NRA trainers require in Ohio to pass your CCW range test.
Those unarmed civilians that were on that boat are alive and free today. If they had been slaughtered by pirates, you'd have a leg to stand on but they weren't. Also, what does the lack of firearm training among our police officers have to do with this situation? I'm fairly certain the Indian Ocean is not in their jurisdiction.
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:THIS group was taken out with no casualty to the good guys. The same cannot be said for all the others.
I don't think a bunch of hardly-trained-with-guns civilians would have had the same outcome.
It was not a comment regarding the lack of training for our police....it was more to say that civilians with training can and would be a viable option so as to prevent 3rd world clowns from taking over these boats in the first place. It is going to be especially bad situations coming up now with piraters claiming they will kill French and US citizens on ships they take over. What exactly does it hurt to have people that are not military or police trained with firearms and simple training on how to thwart pirate attacks?
1- Somalia currently has no real organized government.
2- Piracy is their number 1 source of income, I believe the number I heard was pirates in Somalia made over 400 million dollars last year. (trying to find the article to source for these numbers).
Taken those things into account, of course they are going to try and keep it going and call us out for messing up their fun. We just need to keep relentlessly attacking and killing every pirate that takes over another vessel. Let them threaten all they want.
I don't know but I don't believe they use the old skull and crossbones to declare themselves as pirates anymore.
I almost had to go there some years ago. Glad I didn't.
I'm not a "Gun Nut" but I personally believe that everyone should be trained on how to use a gun. It should be a course in highschool actually. I'm not saying that they should be taught how to kill gang bang style or anything but there is nothing wrong with learning gun safety.
I wonder of Somalia has WMD? I mean besides mass starvation and disease.
i think the navy should just start attacking the pirates if they see them and blow them to hell
you are so right. hey can i just piggyback on your idea here and suggest we try the same thing with terrorists? that way, all the pirates and terrorists will be dead instead of doing bad things
I'm not a "Gun Nut" but I personally believe that everyone should be trained on how to use a gun. It should be a course in highschool actually.
what kind of nut are you then?
I TOLD YOU ID SHOOT! BUT YOU DIDNT BELIEVE ME! WHY DIDNT YOU BELIEVE ME?
Bubba Grizz wrote:There is nothing wrong with learning gun safety.
Isn't gun safety the same as snake safety? I don't see how you can require a course in "don't fuck with that".
The ability to load and fire various weapons is competence, not safety.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Are you a complete idiot or do you just play one on here? Most of the right wing "gun nuts" as you would refer to them will outshoot 95% of the police officers in this country.
Fixed.
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Bubba Grizz wrote:There is nothing wrong with learning gun safety.
Isn't gun safety the same as snake safety? I don't see how you can require a course in "don't fuck with that".
The ability to load and fire various weapons is competence, not safety.
There are whole different levels of how to not fuck with them. I would think the largest issue is the kids do not understand how the guns work and yet they want to pick them up and play with them. The largest part in gun safety is making sure they understand how to safely unload a gun and make 100% certain that it has no round in it. The next part (and the hardest even for adults) is instilling the basic rules of guns.....which means keeping it in a safe direction at all times and making sure their finger is not on the trigger. Teaching them to shoot one is not really a goal of learning firearm safety.
My little brother's best friend was killed about 2 months ago. His dad was showing him how to clean a gun. It went off in the father's hands and he shot his son in the head, killing him instantly. The police had to pry the dead child out of his arms.
Those are the things that can be prevented if people would show the slightest bit of care. It is the single most basic aspect of firearm safety. I just can't fathom how people can not be bothered to double check something that can kill them or a family member.
My line of thinking was more along the lines that if there was not a gun in the house, the kid wouldn't have gotten shot in the head. I just cannot understand the mentality of anyone that would have a gun in the same home as their child.
