Saddams top bodyguard turncoats, reveals arsenal

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » February 3, 2003, 12:31 pm

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common ... 63,00.html

Says Arial Sharron will blow the lid wide open in the next few days on hidden weapons of mass destruction that Saddam has hidden including man made sand dunes concealing weps, as well as the so far not seen underground bunkers.

Watch for this in the news over the next few days. If they actually find what this bodyguard claims, this will be proof enough for me.

Wow, read the entire article, Chinese engineers have helped to create the bunkers supposedly, and some of the weps are coming from N Korea. This is most likely going to be the start of a major crap-storm.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » February 3, 2003, 12:35 pm

I would be interested to see where this goes.

I do have to ask the question of why this guy wants to be dead, it makes no sense.

Post by **Xouqoa** » February 3, 2003, 12:47 pm

Is that site legit, or is it like the National Enquirer?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » February 3, 2003, 1:05 pm

This was my first visit to the site so I will not vouch for it. I checked through their older stories and found nothing outlandish. All of their stories I browsed through were legit articles. The only brow lifter I found was this particular article.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » February 3, 2003, 1:17 pm

If this is true, then I like Sharon's plan to call France, Germany, etc. to a conference to tell them.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 3, 2003, 1:23 pm

1) It does not list the news service that provided these 'facts'

2) The exact story, verbatim, appears on bushcountry.org ('nuff said)

3) The souce of the story is listed at bushcountry.org .....globe-intel.net...

4) The fact that no major news services (AP, Reuters, etc) have picked up or reported this leads me to question the validity.

some of the weps are coming from N Korea

North Korea is a known manufacturer of Scud 'clones'.
The exported them to Iran in the gulf war and have exported them to Eqypt and Yemen.

Also, consider that the American government has been trying to infiltrate Saddam's "inner circle" for the past decade. Saddam's bodyguards are fiercely loyal and a unlikely to defect or feed information to the US.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » February 3, 2003, 1:50 pm

I pulled up the authors web site, he's pretty right of right wing, so that's why no noteable news agencies are picking it up, seems to be baseless.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 3, 2003, 2:51 pm

the herald sun is a bit of a tabloid in australia. not quite the enquirer but along the lines of pravda.

I don't doubt mossad snuck out one of saddam's bodyguards in exchange for information, but I doubt that it's one of his top henchmen that knows about massive vast secret underground bases.

Neziroth · Post by **Neziroth** » February 3, 2003, 5:11 pm

The Drudge Report (http://www.drudgereport.com) has picked up the story, and in all my experience, TDP has been a reliable news source.

Definitely an interesting change in events...

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 3, 2003, 5:20 pm

CNN is running the piece now.

Post by **Sylvus** » February 3, 2003, 5:29 pm

So have they all been duped or did the Australian tabloid just scoop all the 'legitimate' media?

Post by **Xouqoa** » February 3, 2003, 5:37 pm

links please

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 3, 2003, 5:41 pm

Neziroth wrote:The Drudge Report (http://www.drudgereport.com) has picked up the story, and in all my experience, TDP has been a reliable news source.

Definitely an interesting change in events...

matt drudge is turning into a shill that will link anything. I mean he even links pravda the daily mirror in the UK.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » February 3, 2003, 5:42 pm

I don't see anything about the bodyguard on CNN.com. I did see a new story about a modified warhead being found today by the inspectors though.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 3, 2003, 5:56 pm

There wasn't a whole lot to the CNN piece.

They said the Israelis were holding a former Iraqi security officer...blah,blah....

Still no confirmation or details on what he gave them, nor anything on confirmation of his story.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » February 3, 2003, 6:09 pm

Drudge frequently uses his site as a springboard for character attacks and personal vedettas. He is anything but professional. I certianly would not appreciate him trying to represent me if I was an independent news reporter.

His site is good for the odd site or event that he brings to attention. However, his personal crusades are trite and boring at best. I still remember when he gave away the ending to Planet of the Apes before the movie was even released because he was pissed at Tim Burton or some shit. He also goes after specific celebrities at every given opportunity. How many times do I have to hear about what a political idiot Barbara Streisand is? Matt Drudge is a child.

Ooga[foh] · Post by **Ooga[foh]** » February 3, 2003, 7:49 pm

They confirmed the reports from that article on the Rush Limbough show too today. I really can't say I believe or disbelieve it. I really don't want to have my friends go to war if it can be avoided. However, if Suddam has weapons of mass destruction, I can't say I'm against it though.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 3, 2003, 7:55 pm

Rush Limbaugh is not a news program. it is political commentary, same as Matt Drudge.

that doesnt mean that nothing either says is true, but it shouldnt be confused with journalism.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » February 3, 2003, 10:02 pm

Well I did hear this on all of the news sources that I listen to daily (Limbaugh, Hannity, Valentine), but like V says, that's not saying too much.

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » February 3, 2003, 10:34 pm

Well looks like all the bullshit leftwing idiots are going to be eating some crow pies.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » February 4, 2003, 12:21 am

wtf hammer?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 4, 2003, 12:51 am

Keverian FireCry wrote:wtf hammer?

he opened his shit sucker before actually reading the thread. this surprises you?

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » February 4, 2003, 6:25 am

the ignorance on these boards never ceases to amaze me

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » February 4, 2003, 8:41 am

Hammer, even if you're right, even if this guy does know teh location of the l33t Iraqi weapons arsenal hidden underground in the middle of the desert and we find it, even if we wage a successful war with no casualties on either side and Saddam and his entire family and network are ousted or killed, even if Bush Jr. wins and goes 2 terms and is heralded as one of the greatest presidents in American history, you will still be a complete fucking reject. Nothing you say or do will change the fact that you are just another shitstain on dubya's rectum, clinging to it with dear life and hoping that you can remain there forever. Now shut the fuck up child or I'll spread your asshole even wider.

Soriathus Serpentine · February 4, 2003, 12:57 pm

Xyun wrote:Hammer, even if you're right.......

Ouch.... nice come back. Hammer, suffice to say, war isn't a joking matter bud. It's not about republican vs. democrat or left wing vs. right wing, it's about lives. It's about our economy, our livelyhood, our freedom, our friends, our family. One of our guildmates is away at sea right now and I also have an uncle away at sea as well. I hope they both return safe.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 4, 2003, 1:30 pm

It will be very interesting if this indeed turns out to be true. While a war is not a good thing, it might just shut up some of the liberal "Bush is not as smart as me and I know everything that Saddam has" bullshit from several of our posters. I would imagine that you will see the job get finished this time though. No way will Saddam remain in power when this is finished. Maybe his own people will see what has been going on and overthrow him without it having to go to a full blown war.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 4, 2003, 2:27 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:While a war is not a good thing, it might just shut up some of the liberal "Bush is not as smart as me and I know everything that Saddam has" bullshit from several of our posters.

If the UN provides proof that Iraq has "weapons of mass destruction" and has not complied with resolutions, I don't think anyone would disagree that a forced disarmament might be necessary.

So far all we've heard is Bush and Powell claiming that they can prove this accusation..... and so far we have seen no proof. If there's proof, spill it... how hard could it be?
I'm inclined to believe that Dubya is just stalling for time waiting for something to turn up or waiting for some evidence to be manufactured.

So instead of stomping your feet, screaming that Iraq is a global threat, why not ask yourself this?
If Bush is so sure about Iraq's weapons capabilities, why hasn't he attacked yet?

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 4, 2003, 2:30 pm

Miir, I have said this about two dozen times.

The entire UN Security Council knows Saddam posseses WMD's. It's never been in question. The only question was and is, has he provided any proof that he is getting rid of them?

Bush is by far the most vocal advocate of removing Saddam. Saying that there is no proof SAaddam posseses WMD's is just wearing a huge set of blinders.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 4, 2003, 2:37 pm

The entire UN Security Council knows Saddam posseses WMD's. It's never been in question. The only question was and is, has he provided any proof that he is getting rid of them?

If Iraq posesses such weapons, has the capabilities to use them and poses an international threat.... why won't the UNSC support a US backed invasion of Iraq?

The only 2 entities that are openly supporting this crusade are Isreal and Britain.

Bush is by far the most vocal advocate of removing Saddam. Saying that there is no proof SAaddam posseses WMD's is just wearing a huge set of blinders

The USA gave Saddam weapons of mass destruction in the past (15 years ago).... noone is denying this. BUT, you have to take into consideration if Iraq has the facilities to maintain said WOMD. So far there is no evidence to support that.
Satelllites, spy planes, spies and inspectors.... they have the means to produce some proof.... where is it?

That's about all most people want.
Some sort of proof that Iraq is a global threat.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 4, 2003, 3:06 pm

Read 1441, man. The resolution was drafted November 2002 and says nothing about inspections to prove Saddam has WMD's.

Not....one.....word. Every sentence speaks of Saddam proving he has rid himself of WMD's

You cannot tell me that every nation that accepted the resolution missed that fact.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 4, 2003, 3:32 pm

I'm aware of your stance on this and your citings of 1441.... I swear, yopu must read that fucking thing every night before you go to sleep.

You're willing to back a seemingly senseless invasion of a country that George W Bush has told you poses a threat to internation security....

Why is Iraq a threat all of a sudden?
Were they a threat 2 years ago?
Were they a threat 8 years ago?
Were they a threat 15 years ago?

I'm trying to look at this situation logically.

I dont believe I'm that jaded now.... maybe Dubya is just that bad at hiding the alterior motives behind ousting Saddam and invading Iraq.
Certainly something must be 'off' about this whole situation that Bush is getting so little support in his own country and worldwide.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 4, 2003, 3:38 pm

miir wrote:If Iraq posesses such weapons, has the capabilities to use them and poses an international threat.... why won't the UNSC support a US backed invasion of Iraq?

Are you actually naive enough to believe that countries such as France, Germany, and Russia won't support military action in Iraq because he doesn't have wmd's? That's not the reason at all. Iraq still owes billions of dollars to those 3 countries. Each one of them knows that they will never see their money if Saddam is ousted.

All you anti-Bush Canadians keep saying that Bush just wants to go to war for oil. Well look at the other side of it: the countries that are against it are so because they want their money.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 4, 2003, 3:45 pm

Are you actually naive enough to believe that countries such as France, Germany, and Russia won't support military action in Iraq because he doesn't have wmd's? That's not the reason at all. Iraq still owes billions of dollars to those 3 countries. Each one of them knows that they will never see their money if Saddam is ousted

I cant believe that someone would actually believe that sort of horseshit.

All you anti-Bush Canadians keep saying that Bush just wants to go to war for oil. Well look at the other side of it: the countries that are against it are so because they want their money.

Are you a fucking retard?

Seriously...

miir · Post by **miir** » February 4, 2003, 3:53 pm

Here's a little bit of logic for you...

If France, Europe and Russia were to back an invasion of Iraq they would see the ousting of Saddam Hussein.

In turn, with a 'US Approved' govenrment in place, UN sanctiones would be lifted.

France, Germany and Russia would have more and cheaper oil available.

Iraq's economy would flourish with the return of full scale oil exports and their national debt would (ideally) decrease.

So from a strictly financial standpoint, every country in the UN could stand to benefit from a US invasion of Iraq......

So tell me, why are they not supporting it?

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 4, 2003, 3:59 pm

miir wrote:I cant believe that someone would actually believe that sort of horseshit.

And I can't believe people think this is all about oil.

Yeah, Bush wants war for oil, but the three countries listed don't want war because they're owed money? So why exactly would they not want war? Why would Russia care? Seriously.

http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/wor ... index.html

Edit:

miir wrote:France, Germany and Russia would have more and cheaper oil available.

No, Russia makes money because Iraq's oil production is squeltered. The less oil Iraq produces, the more oil that Russia can pump into Europe. There's some logic for you.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 4, 2003, 4:04 pm

Go google yourself an answer about how much Iraq owes the USA.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 4, 2003, 4:06 pm

I don't google. I ask.com, thank you.

Go find a new argument as to why the US is the bad devil, and Saddam is a good man.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 4, 2003, 4:14 pm

Vetiria wrote:Go find a new argument as to why the US is the bad devil, and Saddam is a good man.

More fucktarded drivel.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 4, 2003, 4:16 pm

miir wrote:
Vetiria wrote:Go find a new argument as to why the US is the bad devil, and Saddam is a good man.
More fucktarded drivel.

Another non-responsive post.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 4, 2003, 4:23 pm

I feel like I'm missing out on a good pharming thread.

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » February 4, 2003, 4:40 pm

Hey I have a fucking Idea why don't you two play time out or someshit and go sit in the fucking corner. No one here knows whats really going on as much as they think they do. Have any of you read inteligence messages no untill that day please dont come here and act like your the end all be all of info on why some support and some don't. Kthx now STFU.

I don't want a war any more than anyone else because that means I may have to leave to take part in it.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 4, 2003, 4:45 pm

We should leave poor Miir alone. If and when the U.S. gub-ment posts the pictures of Saddam posing inside the sekrit bunkers on his favorite camel, then he will believe them to be true! Of course, the bodyguard should probably have snapped some pics there for his scrapbook before he decided to leak any information to the white devils.

Next week we find out why Miir thinks the space shuttle was really just a big spy plane that was shot down after being caught by those peaceniks from the middle east. WE SURE DON"T HAVE ANYTHING TO BACK UP FACTS THAT IT WAS IN SPACE!!1!!

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » February 4, 2003, 4:45 pm

Xyun it would take someone with a much bigger cock than you to spread my ass bigger. Maybe your boyfiend could try, you know the one that makes you bite pillows at night. The one that should keep you thus occupied so we wouldn't have to read your useless fucking drivel.

Typical arguement from a typical asshole. Even if you are right you will still be wrong. Ok fucktard nicely done.

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » February 4, 2003, 4:53 pm

Xyun it would take someone with a much bigger cock than you to spread my ass bigger.

How big exactly is your asshole there Hammer?

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » February 4, 2003, 4:57 pm

Denadeb wrote:
Xyun it would take someone with a much bigger cock than you to spread my ass bigger.
How big exactly is your asshole there Hammer?

Had to laugh at this one.

Hammer you been testing how far your ass spreads?

Mort · Post by **Mort** » February 4, 2003, 5:05 pm

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/book.html

We're going to war, with or without the spineless UN. I pray it is quick and merciless with as few civilian casulties as possible.

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » February 4, 2003, 5:09 pm

Shit dbl post shrug.

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » February 4, 2003, 5:13 pm

If this is indeed Hammers asshole I belive he is right in saying it would take a larger cock than yours Xyun.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 4, 2003, 5:17 pm

Hammerstalker PE wrote:Xyun it would take someone with a much bigger cock than you to spread my ass bigger.

100% pure retard.

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