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It has been 2 weeks and I have not seen the liberals express their outrage, so I guess someone else has to post this.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 575883.ece
Missiles fired from suspected US drones killed at least 15 people inside Pakistan today, the first such strikes since Barack Obama became president and a clear sign that the controversial military policy begun by George W Bush has not changed.

Security officials said the strikes, which saw up to five missiles slam into houses in separate villages, killed seven "foreigners" - a term that usually means al-Qaeda - but locals also said that three children lost their lives.

Dozens of similar strikes since August on northwest Pakistan, a hotbed of Taleban and al-Qaeda militancy, have sparked angry government criticism of the US, which is targeting the area with missiles launched from unmanned CIA aircraft controlled from operation rooms inside the US.

The operations were stepped up last year after frustration inside the Bush administration over a perceived failure by Islamabad to stem the flow of Taleban and al-Qaeda fighters from the tribal regions into Afghanistan. Mr Obama has made Afghanistan his top foreign policy priority and said during his presidential campaign that he would consider military action inside Pakistan if the government there was unable or unwilling to take on the militants.

The strikes come just a day after Mr Obama appointed Richard Holbrooke, a former UN ambassador, as a special envoy for the region.

Eight people died when missiles hit a compound near Mir Ali, an al-Qaeda hub in Pakistan's North Waziristan region. Seven more died when hours later two missiles hit a house in Wana, in South Waziristan. Local officials said the target in Wana was a guest house owned by a pro-Taleban tribesman. One said that as well as three children, the tribesman's relatives were killed in the blast.

Pakistan has objected to such attacks, saying they are a violation of its territory that undermines its efforts to tackle militants. Since September, the US is estimated to have carried out about 30 such attacks, killing more than 220 people.
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I'm going to take a wild guess here and say it's going to take a while before Obama can address every single fuck up Bush started. I'm going to take another wild guess and say that it's probably a bad idea for Obama to tell everyone in the government and military to stop everything they're doing until he can look into and reapprove everything one at a time.
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i figured this post was about the abortion thing.

you are right though. I think liberals will give Obama a pass for now on the war, using Siji's logic. There is no doubt they will ease off the war as long as Obama is in power. However, it's now something for the Reps. to seize for themselves, which obviously you did -- even if to just be snarky.
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When Obama kills more babies than George Bush... Let me know.
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Well he already is ahead of Bush's pace. Bush did not kill any babies until a year into his Presidency! Obama kills in his 2nd week....he could be on his way to an all-time record.
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Does he get to eat the ones he kills?
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Here's a liberal declining to express outrage about this. I'm fine with predator strikes inside Pakistan. I was fine with it when GWB was in charge and I'm fine with it now.

We will eventually need a better long-term strategy for stabilizing Pakistan's border region, but until that time, keep on striking.
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It has been 2 weeks and I have not seen the liberals express their outrage
Probably for the same reason the liberals weren't expressing their outrage when these were happening while Bush was in the White House.
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Sueven wrote:Here's a liberal declining to express outrage about this. I'm fine with predator strikes inside Pakistan. I was fine with it when GWB was in charge and I'm fine with it now.

We will eventually need a better long-term strategy for stabilizing Pakistan's border region, but until that time, keep on striking.
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You're right that there's a human cost. But unlike whoever it was that I was responding to when I wrote that, I was not dismissive or disrespectful of that cost.
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Gzette wrote:i figured this post was about the abortion thing.

you are right though. I think liberals will give Obama a pass for now on the war, using Siji's logic. There is no doubt they will ease off the war as long as Obama is in power. However, it's now something for the Reps. to seize for themselves, which obviously you did -- even if to just be snarky.
I love how people are comparing 2 weeks to 8 years.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:It has been 2 weeks and I have not seen the liberals express their outrage, so I guess someone else has to post this.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 575883.ece
Obama stated he would do this before Bush adopted the policy and his opponents in the primary and general tried to stir the outrage. Remember all the crap about invading Pakistan?

Edit: As for the lack of outrage, I see these attacks as attacks against Al-Qaeda which are absolutely justified if not required.
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Obama owes so many favors, he's worthless as president. Hillary and her Clinton cronies fill all the positions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9kGYWF48qo

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It's funny how republicans were so adamantly against Obama because of his "liberal record", yet they are now jumping on the bandwagon with those who think he's not liberal enough.

I expect a lot from his administration, but our economic situation is not one that can be fixed by ideological views from the left or the right. It needs an even-handed, pragmatic approach, which is why Obama has picked people plenty of the people who were in the Clinton administration- you know, that time when our economy was doing well and we weren't hated by the majority of people on earth.

Building a foundation based on some effective Clinton-era policies is a good place to start. Maybe when our economy is under control he will try for some more left-leaning goals.
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Keverian FireCry wrote: which is why Obama has picked people plenty of the people who were in the Clinton administration- you know, that time when our economy was doing well and we weren't hated by the majority of people on earth.
Oh that time when Clinton let things get out of control and the net .mom bubble grew to the exploding point and Bush had to deal with the aftermath? Yeah, I remember that. We still haven't recovered from it and now it looks like we're going to do some more damage over the next four years.
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We didn't recover from it? What kind of nonsense is that? We recovered from that and the 9-11 economic meltdown, steadily. Part of the credit for that recovery belongs to Bush, but unfortunately, it has been overshadowed by... well...

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Yeah, I remember that. We still haven't recovered from it
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Winnow wrote:Oh that time when Clinton let things get out of control and the net .mom bubble grew to the exploding point and Bush had to deal with the aftermath? Yeah, I remember that. We still haven't recovered from it and now it looks like we're going to do some more damage over the next four years.
How exactly should Clinton have stopped things getting out of control? This wasn't a regulated industry. Perhaps you think the Clinton should have regulated it? The damage to the tech\communications industry created some loss of employment and capital but it didn't cause lasting damage to the economy nor did bring down other sections of the economy with it.

I call bullshit on the "We still haven't recovered from it". 2001-2003 sucked a lot of ass in but tech rebounded strongly 2004+. I was suspicious of another tech bubble forming until the overall economy started cratering.
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Obama's not helping. He's going back on promises. The Democrats and Obama are going to force feed Americans big government. Enjoy!
"If this is going to be bipartisanship, the country's screwed," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, told ABC's "This Week." "I know bipartisanship when I see it."

Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, said Obama was off to "a bad beginning," out of step with the vow of bipartisanship both men made after Obama beat out the Republican presidential nominee for the White House in November.

"It was a bad beginning because it wasn't what we promised the American people, what President Obama promised the American people, that we would sit down together," McCain told CNN's "State of the Union With John King."
Chang isn't coming. All we've got ae some crusty Clinton people in office and Obama breaking promises left and right.
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Winnow wrote:Obama's not helping. He's going back on promises.
Obama has only broken one promise and it was questionable.
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Also,
Hardened Obama plans new fights

Emboldened by his victory on the stimulus package — but chastened by the pothole-pocked road that got him there — -President Barack Obama and his aides are plunging ahead on a large and expensive agenda that virtually assures 2009 will be marked by intense partisan battles about the size and role of government.

White House aides say they have concluded that Obama too frequently lost control of the debate and his own image during the stimulus battle. By this reckoning, the story became too much about failed efforts at bipartisanship and Washington deal-making, and not enough about the president’s public salesmanship.

For Obama’s next act, the program is the same as he has been planning for months: New Deal-style plans to rescue struggling homeowners and rewrite regulations on the financial markets, plus a budget proposal that lays the groundwork for sweeping health care reform.

But the strategy to promote these items is getting an emergency overhaul. Obama plans to travel more and campaign more in an effort to pressure lawmakers with public support, rather than worrying about whether he can win over Republican votes in Congress. Officials suggested that the new, more partisan tone Obama embraced last week in his speech before House Democrats at their retreat and continued at his news conference Monday was what he should have been doing all along.

Meeting with reporters Thursday night, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel said that there were times during the stimulus debate when “I don’t think we were sharp about the benefits” of the legislation, letting Washington process dominate the message.

Reflecting as “somebody who has been in this town,” he observed that “there’s an insatiable appetite for the notion of bipartisanship here and we allowed that to get ahead of ourselves.”

But Emanuel said that they recognized they had overdone their initial outreach to Republicans and had offered "a sharp message for the last week."

For now, the hard-charging chief of staff added, “He has an open hand, but he has a very firm handshake.”

Translation: Yes, the president will continue to do obligatory outreach to the GOP, but he’s not going to be burned again by an out-of-power and toothless minority for the sake of appearances.


This may be the only practical course. Obama’s call for compromise and change in how Washington does its business was quickly rebuffed by both parties in Congress. Both Democrats and Republicans have political needs and authentic ideological priorities that matter a lot more to them than whether Washington is a civil place.
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Winnow's trolling. He's got to be.
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I guess railroading an $800 billion special interest spending package through is his way of making "change". Can youhonestly say that the spending package for all that bullshit they dropped in there is going to spur the economy? Obviously investors don't think so as the Dow took another shit when they announced it was going through.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I guess railroading an $800 billion special interest spending package through is his way of making "change". Can youhonestly say that the spending package for all that bullshit they dropped in there is going to spur the economy? Obviously investors don't think so as the Dow took another shit when they announced it was going through.
I'm by no means a politician, and I won't claim to know all the details of everything included in the plan, cause frankly I don't and I don't want to.

However, from what I do:

One thing that could have been done to really give a break to the middle class is increase the house credit from $7500 to $15000. But somehow giving broke people health insurance gives more back to the economy?

I guess the fundamental issue I have here is this: The United States is not a socialist country. You have the right to come here and make your dreams come true, but you also have the right to fail and die in the gutter if you can't pull your own weight.

I have spent a fair deal of time in my years growing up in section 8 housing (had lots of friends there), and for every 1 person there that actually couldn't work and needed assistance, there were 10 that were milking it. It makes me sick my fucking tax money pays for this bullshit.

I guess what I'm getting at is this: even though I fundamentally disagree with the government helping pretty much anyone, I'm willing to give a little and say that for people that TRULY need it and CANNOT work (meaning they can't even work a job from home) because of a disability or whatever, I'm fine with them getting aid.. But we're giving it to far more than that, and nothing anyone can say would make me think that's alright.
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