Semi-serious question

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 19, 2008, 11:40 am

Ok...there have already been some joke type e-mails flying around that actually made me think....especially since I have heard the same type of talk from some small business owners that I know personally.

If/when Obama does raise taxes that are going to hit those small businesses to where they have to make personnel cutbacks....and saying that all else being equal....is it fair and just for them to eliminate the people that backed Obama first?

Spang · Post by **Spang** » November 19, 2008, 11:54 am

Here's a semi-serious response:

Fuck off!

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » November 19, 2008, 12:03 pm

what does this have to do with guns

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 19, 2008, 12:13 pm

I sure wish my opinion mattered in Kilmoll's quest for knowledge. But darn. I'm ignored as I'm sure he will point out soon!

Joke emails that made him think. Who knew it took jokes to stimulate his brain... Perhaps if there was a comedian at the polling place he might have voted for Obama!

laneela · Post by **laneela** » November 19, 2008, 12:43 pm

cadalano wrote:what does this have to do with guns

I can't figure that out yet but I'm analyzing his query and as soon as I figure it out, I'll let you know. Because you're right. It *has* to be about guns. I just don't see how yet.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 19, 2008, 12:54 pm

Big surprise. All the VV socialist/marxist/commie/terrorist faggots can't answer a direct question.

The answer is obviously YES. If anything happens during Obama's tenure in the White House that Republicans do not like, they have every right to fire or punish anyone who voted for Obama. Actually, if anything happens in the next 60ish days they can also retaliate in any number of ways, ranging from insults to violence against Obama supporters. It's their god given right to do so and I'm also pretty sure it's in the Constitution somewhere between habeas corpus and unauthorized domestic spying.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » November 19, 2008, 1:04 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:Big surprise. All the VV socialist/marxist/commie/terrorist faggots can't answer a direct question.

Why should we? We're all on his ignore list!

Post by **Sylvus** » November 19, 2008, 1:31 pm

With the extra several dollars small-business owners will be taxed, they'll be forced to layoff employees so that they can still afford to buy more guns. For example, if you have 15 employees and only 3-5 guns at home, you're encouraged to get rid of up to 4 employees (but only if they supported Obama) so that you can up your number of guns to 10+ and buy ammo, gun cleaning kits, etc. Obama is trying to make all guns illegal for law-abiding citizens and route them to criminals at the same time that he makes a national secret police force, so it's important that all people have a vast stockpile of weapons at home so we can defend ourselves from the government and our neighbors.

It's all implied right there in his post, I can't believe you guys can't see it.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » November 19, 2008, 1:34 pm

awesome

whats the liberal pussy equivalent of a high five?

touching our cock heads together?

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » November 19, 2008, 1:59 pm

I look forward to the day that Kilmoll is sent to the reeducation camps.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 19, 2008, 2:07 pm

I guess none of the liberals have anything substantial to say then?

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » November 19, 2008, 2:14 pm

You want a substantive answer to a patently ridiculous question? Moreover, you want said answer from the very people for whom you've made your utter contempt quite clear, and have made a grand, public display of the fact that you've added them to your ignore list on the board? Are you serious?

Just fuck off. Seriously.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » November 19, 2008, 2:15 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I guess none of the liberals have anything substantial to say then?

Get rid of the people that don't make you any fucking money.

Also, fuck off!

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » November 19, 2008, 2:16 pm

It's not a substantial question.

We don't know how the tax code will change, so there's no real way to predict its impact on small businesses.

Obama's campaign plan was to raise taxes on those (including businesses) banking more than $250k per year. This is a substantial minority of small businesses, those making less would presumably receive a tax cut. Reality is likely to be more complicated than this ultra-simplistic picture, so we'll have to wait to see what happens.

Assuming that small businesses do have to cut jobs: Well, if they want to be successful in the ultra free market economy that most conservatives are still advocating, they'd be wise to cut their least useful and lowest performing employees, instead of carrying out a political vendetta.

If all your "small business owners who I know personally" are not forced to cut jobs due to Obama's tax policy, will they vote for his re-election in 2012? If he doesn't try to take your guns, will you vote for his re-election in 2012?

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 19, 2008, 2:28 pm

Dude hasn't even taken office yet.

Also, I would take "Joe the Plumber's" comments with a healthy HOOKERWHORESLUT of salt. The guy was an obvious plant by the McCain campaign to stir up the shit. Well, we all know how that tactic and the whole socialist angle worked out.

Palin is still trying though!

And I am upset at both candidates for ignoring my demographic....

...single, white, liberal, gun-friendly, 75-125K/yr corporate SQL Server super-studs.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 19, 2008, 3:35 pm

Sueven wrote:It's not a substantial question.

We don't know how the tax code will change, so there's no real way to predict its impact on small businesses.

Obama's campaign plan was to raise taxes on those (including businesses) banking more than $250k per year. This is a substantial minority of small businesses, those making less would presumably receive a tax cut. Reality is likely to be more complicated than this ultra-simplistic picture, so we'll have to wait to see what happens.

Assuming that small businesses do have to cut jobs: Well, if they want to be successful in the ultra free market economy that most conservatives are still advocating, they'd be wise to cut their least useful and lowest performing employees, instead of carrying out a political vendetta.

If all your "small business owners who I know personally" are not forced to cut jobs due to Obama's tax policy, will they vote for his re-election in 2012? If he doesn't try to take your guns, will you vote for his re-election in 2012?

My initial question was nothing more than hypothetical and resulted in a bunch of sniping asshattery from the Liberal People's Front of Veeshan. Thank you for at least responding with something other than trite remarks.

Seeing as how political affiliation would not be a protected status and most states being at will employment, is there anything that honestly could be done to employers that do this? Yes it would be stupid to eliminate more productive people, but all other things being equal....if they were broadcasting the fact that they did something that actually impacted the business financially, would that be reason enough to be a tiebreaker?

As for would I vote for him if he does not take gun rights....well that remains to be seen on a variety of levels. I have clearly stated here on numerous occasions that I do indeed support at least one Democrat if he were to run for the White House. If Barry shows he is a TRUE moderate that will not be a 2nd Amendment threat...then sure. His voting and political history pretty well show that he is definitely on the anti-2nd amendment side though.

laneela · Post by **laneela** » November 19, 2008, 3:44 pm

I thought what Sylvus said was pretty substantial.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 19, 2008, 3:49 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Sueven wrote:It's not a substantial question.

We don't know how the tax code will change, so there's no real way to predict its impact on small businesses.

Obama's campaign plan was to raise taxes on those (including businesses) banking more than $250k per year. This is a substantial minority of small businesses, those making less would presumably receive a tax cut. Reality is likely to be more complicated than this ultra-simplistic picture, so we'll have to wait to see what happens.

Assuming that small businesses do have to cut jobs: Well, if they want to be successful in the ultra free market economy that most conservatives are still advocating, they'd be wise to cut their least useful and lowest performing employees, instead of carrying out a political vendetta.

If all your "small business owners who I know personally" are not forced to cut jobs due to Obama's tax policy, will they vote for his re-election in 2012? If he doesn't try to take your guns, will you vote for his re-election in 2012?
My initial question was nothing more than hypothetical and resulted in a bunch of sniping asshattery from the Liberal People's Front of Veeshan. Thank you for at least responding with something other than trite remarks.

Seeing as how political affiliation would not be a protected status and most states being at will employment, is there anything that honestly could be done to employers that do this? Yes it would be stupid to eliminate more productive people, but all other things being equal....if they were broadcasting the fact that they did something that actually impacted the business financially, would that be reason enough to be a tiebreaker?

As for would I vote for him if he does not take gun rights....well that remains to be seen on a variety of levels. I have clearly stated here on numerous occasions that I do indeed support at least one Democrat if he were to run for the White House. If Barry shows he is a TRUE moderate that will not be a 2nd Amendment threat...then sure. His voting and political history pretty well show that he is definitely on the anti-2nd amendment side though.

As soon as word got out that people were being let go for their political affiliations, I think these business owners would have bigger fish to fry than anything Obama and Co. could throw their way.

Btw, this is a really fucking retarded question you posed. Totally fucking stupid.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 19, 2008, 4:39 pm

Then fucking put me on ignore asshat. Or stop coming back to it. Either way...fuck off.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » November 19, 2008, 4:40 pm

Real men don't put people on ignore!

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » November 19, 2008, 6:20 pm

Real men don't hate guns, fag.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » November 19, 2008, 8:33 pm

I'd rather be a gun-hating fag than a gun-toting Bible thumper!

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » November 19, 2008, 8:34 pm

Screw off. Jesus had a magnum.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » November 19, 2008, 8:46 pm

Jesus was a community organizer, too!

Asheran Mojomaster · November 19, 2008, 9:11 pm

Obama actually said he would tax individuals who make $250,000+ a year, and if I remember correctly, companies that make $250,000+ in PROFIT per year. There are ways around this, like reinvesting the money instead of taking the profits out. *shrug* I would think most smart small business owners would be reinvesting in their own businesses instead of taking out fat checks for themselves. Make your small business into a big business first, then take the profits, lol.

Asheran Mojomaster · November 19, 2008, 9:16 pm

Oh, and yay for guns! I have a rifle, plan on getting a pistol soon (not sure what yet, still looking around for one that feels right), and I would love to have a personal RPG...and maybe a tank one day. You can buy them online! http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/Tanks_Tru ... r_sale.htm

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 20, 2008, 1:55 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Then fucking put me on ignore asshat. Or stop coming back to it. Either way...fuck off.

I would never ignore you. You're the only one left of the right wing monkey brigade that didn't tuck his tail between his legs and run home crying to mommy.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 20, 2008, 5:15 am

Kilmoll will not tuck his tail, because he had his enhanced to poke all you hippies in the ass. You see, he is a....

Well if you're lookin' for trouble
I'm the man to see
If you're lookin' for satisfaction
I'm satisfaction guaranteed
I'm as cool as a body on ice
Hotter than a rollin' dice
Send you to heaven
Take you to hell
I ain't foolin'
Can't you tell

I'm a live wire, I'm a live wire, I'm a live wire
Gonna set this town on fire

And if you need some lovin'
And if you need some man
You've got the phone and the number
And I got no future plans
Oh come on honey you got nothin' to lose
You got the thirst 'n I got the booze
Give you an inch
Take you a mile
I wanna make you fry

I'm a live wire, (live wire)
I'm a live wire, (live wire)
I'm a live wire, (live wire)
Holy smoke and sweet desire

Like a hot rod baby?
Oh stick this in your fuse box

Aah cooler than a body on ice
Hotter than a rollin' dice
Wilder than a drunken fight
You're gonna burn tonight

I'm a live wire, (live wire)
I'm a live wire, (live wire)
I'm a live wire, (live wire)
And I'm gonna set this town on fire

Live wire, (live wire)
I'm a live wire, (live wire)
Well I'm your live wire, (live wire)
I'm a live wire, (live wire)
You're gonna burn
Ah look at me, guilty
......

Seriously though... folks need to lighten up. We all have our own opinions. Opinions are what make us different, see? Without that, there is no conversation and certainly nothing interesting to watch. We are all not that much different. Don't get all caught up in Dem V Rep. Both parties are fucked. Now is the time tomove on. Hell, if we all worked together, we could get all this shit worked out, like true communists.

Work for the land and the land will work for you, comrades.

"The motherland is hopeful!"

laneela · Post by **laneela** » November 20, 2008, 10:56 am

What is up with that hippie shit?

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » November 20, 2008, 1:06 pm

He's been Oregon'ized.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 20, 2008, 1:13 pm

Darn. Funk deleted his post. Something about "You won. You don't have to be an arrogant cock about it". Which is funny because didn't he pledge to do that if McCain won?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 20, 2008, 1:35 pm

Ashur wrote:He's been Oregon'ized.

That and he loves the man-meat.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » November 20, 2008, 2:03 pm

Serious answer to your semi-serious question:

No.

As much as you, Joe the Plumber or any other Republican may want to, you cannot fire somebody over their political affiliation. That reason has been cited in wrongful termination lawsuits, from bottom up. That's what the whole scandal about Alberto Gonzales and all those attorneys he fired. Even in the White House you cannot do that.

Now that that is settled, read Obama's proposed tax policy PLEASE! The information is so easily accessible. Please seek it out before assuming that your guns and money will be pillaged by communists. Don't be stupid.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 20, 2008, 2:35 pm

They can always just fire any blacks that work for them. I mean, they all voted for Obama, right?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 20, 2008, 5:43 pm

Gzette wrote:Serious answer to your semi-serious question:

No.

As much as you, Joe the Plumber or any other Republican may want to, you cannot fire somebody over their political affiliation. That reason has been cited in wrongful termination lawsuits, from bottom up. That's what the whole scandal about Alberto Gonzales and all those attorneys he fired. Even in the White House you cannot do that.

Now that that is settled, read Obama's proposed tax policy PLEASE! The information is so easily accessible. Please seek it out before assuming that your guns and money will be pillaged by communists. Don't be stupid.

I have seen it. If a business makes $600k a year, you do realize his plan would increase their tax by about $150k right? That is a pretty significant chunk of change to a business that is not a superpower.

Post by **Sylvus** » November 20, 2008, 5:56 pm

Really? He's going to increase their tax by 25%? I hadn't seen that.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 20, 2008, 6:07 pm

I will look for links when I can....they are not ones he put heavily into his campaign literature.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » November 20, 2008, 6:34 pm

Sylvus wrote:Really? He's going to increase their tax by 25%? I hadn't seen that.

No that's not a 25% increase, it's 25% more of their income, which would be somewhere around 75-85% increase in tax rate. $600k income already gets taxed appx. $200k, kilmoll is saying that tax would increase to $350k, a tax rate of nearly 60%. I often wonder how in the world McCain was able to garner 58 million votes, then I see the overwhelming ignorance of threads like this, which prove that facts don't matter as much as propaganda, especially to conservatives.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » November 20, 2008, 7:34 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I have seen it. If a business makes $600k a year, you do realize his plan would increase their tax by about $150k right? That is a pretty significant chunk of change to a business that is not a superpower.

Jesus-Fucking-Christ, you've got to be seriously goddamned brain-damaged to believe the mindless garbage you spew sometimes. Please, hurry up and post your loony-tunes source for this nugget. I'm sure that we could all use a good chuckle.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » November 20, 2008, 8:11 pm

Sylvus wrote:With the extra several dollars small-business owners will be taxed, they'll be forced to layoff employees so that they can still afford to buy more guns. For example, if you have 15 employees and only 3-5 guns at home, you're encouraged to get rid of up to 4 employees (but only if they supported Obama) so that you can up your number of guns to 10+ and buy ammo, gun cleaning kits, etc.

I bet you were good at word problems in Math.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » November 20, 2008, 8:44 pm

kilmoll i am buying an xd-40 compact on saturday love u

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 21, 2008, 11:44 am

Xyun wrote:
Sylvus wrote:Really? He's going to increase their tax by 25%? I hadn't seen that.
No that's not a 25% increase, it's 25% more of their income, which would be somewhere around 75-85% increase in tax rate. $600k income already gets taxed appx. $200k, kilmoll is saying that tax would increase to $350k, a tax rate of nearly 60%. I often wonder how in the world McCain was able to garner 58 million votes, then I see the overwhelming ignorance of threads like this, which prove that facts don't matter as much as propaganda, especially to conservatives.

I copied that number directly from a web site showing a side by side comparison. I cannot find it now and I am pretty sure it was a liberally leaning site as it was trying to show how McCain's plan was worse.

Post by **Sylvus** » November 21, 2008, 11:54 am

It sounds like you might be referring to this chart, which is more about married filing jointly than it is small business profit... I'm not sure that's what you were looking at though.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 21, 2008, 11:55 am

*~*stragi*~* wrote:kilmoll i am buying an xd-40 compact on saturday love u

you are my new friend

I just sold my FNP-40. Not sure what it is but I just can't get into the plastic guns. Going up this weekend to buy either a springfield or kimber 1911 in the lightweight models.

Post by **Sylvus** » November 21, 2008, 11:56 am

kilmoll pulls the trigger of my love gun

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 21, 2008, 12:19 pm

Xyun wrote:
Sylvus wrote:Really? He's going to increase their tax by 25%? I hadn't seen that.
No that's not a 25% increase, it's 25% more of their income, which would be somewhere around 75-85% increase in tax rate. $600k income already gets taxed appx. $200k, kilmoll is saying that tax would increase to $350k, a tax rate of nearly 60%. I often wonder how in the world McCain was able to garner 58 million votes, then I see the overwhelming ignorance of threads like this, which prove that facts don't matter as much as propaganda, especially to conservatives.

I quoted a wrong number....it was 116k. And yes the tax rate for those people and businesses would be somewhere in the 55% range.
http://outsidereport.blogspot.com/2008/ ... plans.html

Pretty much the same chart Sylvus posted.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 21, 2008, 12:33 pm

Get those guns while you can, because in around 60 days time, no one in America will ever be able to buy guns again. Ever. Also, keep the receipt and return it the day before the anauguration, because the very next day the new Homeland Security Force is going door to door to collect every single gun in America.

I think Obama's going to take at least a week or 2 before herding all whites into the death camps. He's going to change the American Flag and National Anthem first to humiliate us before he kills us.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 21, 2008, 12:41 pm

Oddly this was not a gun topic. If you like I can start posting the gun topic of the day here.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 21, 2008, 12:55 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Oddly this was not a gun topic. If you like I can start posting the gun topic of the day here.

But it is an absurd topic. Equally absurd as any of the "Obama is coming to take my guns" fears. I took the opportunity to link them since it seems to be the same poeple with all of the irrational fear.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » November 21, 2008, 1:13 pm

You did notice that the 116k cited is the average increase for ALL incomes over 600k, didn't you? That number is heavily skewed by incomes even greater than 600k. The actual increase for 600k of taxable income, the very bottom of this category, would be a small fraction of that amount. That's a far cry from an increase of 150k or even 116k on 600k of hypothetical income that you're ranting about. Only 1.5% of all US households make more than 250k, let alone 600k, so I really don't care too much about Mr. Hypothetical 600k here having to pay an extra 30k or so.