This is more fucked up than that crazy McCain supporter lady

[Spang]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/01/hal ... index.html

SUMTER, South Carolina (AP) -- An ex-convict who said he thought he was being robbed gunned down a 12-year-old trick-or-treater, spraying nearly 30 rounds with an assault rifle from inside his home after hearing a knock on the door, police said Saturday.

Quentin Patrick, 22, is accused of killing 12-year-old T.J. Darrisaw on Friday night. T.J.'s 9-year-old brother, Ahmadre Darrisaw, and their father, Freddie Grinnell, were injured but were released after being treated at a hospital.

The family attended a Halloween celebration in downtown Sumter, 45 miles east of Columbia, then stopped at Patrick's house because the porch light was on, police said. Another sibling was with them but wasn't hurt.

Police said at least two of the boys were wearing ghoulish masks when they knocked on the door. The boys' mother and a toddler stayed in the car nearby.

Patrick emptied his AK-47, shooting at least 29 times through his front door, walls and windows after hearing the knock, Police Chief Patty Patterson said.

He told police he had been robbed and shot in the past year.

"He wasn't going to be robbed again, and he wasn't going to be shot again," Patterson said Saturday at a news conference.

She said T.J., a bright young man, suffered multiple wounds, including a fatal shot to his head. No one answered the door at the family's home Saturday.

"This is by far one of the worst tragedies that I have had to personally experience," Patterson said. "It happened basically because kids were out doing what they would normally do on Halloween."

Patrick has been charged with murder, three counts of assault and battery with intent to kill, and one count of assault with intent to kill.

Police said they also charged a 19-year-old in his home, Ericka Patrice Pee, with obstruction of justice when she was caught trying to run away after the shooting with $7,500 in cash. Patterson did not give an explanation for the money.

Pee's 2-year-old daughter was inside during the shooting and is now being cared for by family members.

Patterson said Patrick had multiple drug convictions but police do not believe he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol during the shooting. Authorities did not know if Patrick or Pee had attorneys. Both are being held without bond.

A man who identified himself as Patrick's brother but declined to give his name said in a call to The Associated Press that he believed Patrick was suffering from post-traumatic stress after a break-in last December. The man's account matched the information police provided.

"We want to let his family know that this is a total tragic accident," he said. "He was trying to protect his family."

Patrick's home is off a busy, two-lane road in Sumter, a city of about 40,000 people. On Saturday, shattered glass still covered the front stoop and about 20 bullet holes peppered the front door and a front-window casement.

The shooting shocked residents of a neighborhood where most people know each other well.

"I just hate it that that little kid got killed. It used to be the quietest place. I knew everybody and everybody knew me," said Vivian Johnson, 81, who lives two doors from Patrick and Pee but said she did not know them.

County Councilman Charles Edens said he lives just a few blocks away and passed the crime scene on his way back from trick-or-treating with his 13-year-old daughter, who was upset by the news.

"It's going to put a dampening on Halloween," Eden said. "I would think twice about going to a door that we don't know who lives behind."

This guy needs to die. Not in 20 years after 37 appeals, either. Tomorrow!

[Fairweather Pure]

Guns do not kill people.

[Aslanna]

Damn liberals. This is classic Castle Doctrine in action.

[Zaelath]

I support this idiot's right to own an automatic rifle for self defense against ravenous 12 year olds. Isn't this covered under some castle law?

[Fairweather Pure]

Isn't this covered under some castle law?

I think it only counts under the castle law of the kids were black.

[miir]

All of them were black.

[Fairweather Pure]

All of them were black.

In that case, I think he gets a medal or something like that.

[Boogahz]

Nice to know that nobody can tell the difference between someone knocking on a door and burglarizing a place.

[masteen]

Guns do not kill people.

Would it been better if Capt. Insano had kicked open his door and beat them to death with a bat?

[Kaldaur]

Seriously...who is holding an AK, waiting for a burglar? If he heard a knock, he either A. had the gun already in his hand, or B. ran and got the gun, then returned to the door where the burglar was STILL STANDING THERE KNOCKING.
Jesus christ, that poor family.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Lets start here for you liberal faggots.

1) The guy that shot these kids is also black.

2) He was a convicted felon and it was already illegal for him to own that gun.

3) He was a drug dealer that was most likely shooting because he owed someone something and thought they were coming for him.

4) He should be put to death, as ALL murderers should, but it won't happen because you liberals oppose the death penalty.

5) That gun did not hop out of a rack and start spraying kids down. A convicted felon...and let me bold this for you here because you can't comprehend this....BROKE THE LAW AND WAS IN POSSESSION OF A GUN HE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO OWN AND USED IT TO COMMIT YET ANOTHER CRIME. Shocking to me.

[Ashur]

Worst "trick" ever...

[Spang]

Lets start here for you liberal faggots.

1) The guy that shot these kids is also black.

2) He was a convicted felon and it was already illegal for him to own that gun.

3) He was a drug dealer that was most likely shooting because he owed someone something and thought they were coming for him.

4) He should be put to death, as ALL murderers should, but it won't happen because you liberals oppose the death penalty.

5) That gun did not hop out of a rack and start spraying kids down. A convicted felon...and let me bold this for you here because you can't comprehend this....BROKE THE LAW AND WAS IN POSSESSION OF A GUN HE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO OWN AND USED IT TO COMMIT YET ANOTHER CRIME. Shocking to me.

I'm a liberal and I support the death penalty if used properly.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

I support this idiot's right to own an automatic rifle for self defense against ravenous 12 year olds. Isn't this covered under some castle law?

You support felons owning firearms?

[valryte]

You support felons owning firearms?

And aren't you the one that supports a criminal from being able to use a gun if he uses it in "self-defense"?...

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Not at all. They are not allowed to even own a weapon. The point of the legislation that you are referring to would strip self defense rights from someone that is a felon though...as well as someone that has not registered a firearm they legally own in some of the cities that are tracking gun owners.

As an example. Citizen that had a felony assault charge on them cannot own a gun. Years later, a nut break in their house with a gun. Ex-felon takes gun away and uses it on nut. Felon then does not have affirmative defense on their side and the burden then falls on them to PROVE their innocence.

[Fairweather Pure]

I don't think anyone should have guns.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

That is because you live in a dream world where fairies hand out lollipops and trophies to all the nice people that co-exist in complete harmony whilte there is free anal sex for all.

[Zaelath]

Where does the second ammendment remove the right for felons to bear arms?

In fact, isn't it rather against the spirit of the whole "ability to overthrow the government" if felons can't have guns when the government decides who felons are?

[Aardor]

I couldn't find it in the article, or anywhere else, but was the weapon really automatic? or is that just sensational replies? If it was a fully automatic rifle, I am pretty sure it's illegal for ANY citizen to own, regardless of whether you are an ex-convict or not.

[miir]

An AK-47 can operate in semi or full-automatic.

I am pretty sure it's illegal for ANY citizen to own, regardless of whether you are an ex-convict or not.

Depends on the state.
For example, fully automatic firearms are not legal in California... I'm not sure about South Carolina.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Untrue...and untrue.

There are semi auto and full auto ak-47 versions. Second, fully automatic firearms are controlled at a federal level, not state. Many normal citizens can apply and receive a Class A firearms license to own automatics, silencers, explosive, etc. The cost is a little prohibitive and even if you DID spend the money on that and got approval, the cost of an actual full auto is outrageous. No 22 year old gangbanger is going to be buying one anywhere.

[Aardor]

An AK-47 can operate in semi or full-automatic.

Yeah, I just didn't see a distinction on which type it was. It doesn't really matter, I was just curious if it was fully or semi automatic. Wonder what the difference in time is for getting off 12 shots with a fully automatic vs semi-automatic is.

I am pretty sure it's illegal for ANY citizen to own, regardless of whether you are an ex-convict or not.

Depends on the state.
For example, fully automatic firearms are not legal in California... I'm not sure about South Carolina.

Pretty sure their is a federal "ban" on them, which trumps any state law (and no, not talking about the repealed federal assault weapon, which only dealt with semi-automatic weapons, since automatic weapons were previously covered under other acts/bans).

Anyways, I looked it up a bit, and here is what I gathered (mostly from wikipedia, so it could be inaccurate, but laws/acts are normally good):

1. 1934 - National Firearms Act - requires registration/licensing to own/buy/possess any fully automatic firearm.
2. 1968 - Gun Control Act - Foreign made automatic weapons can not be imported to the US for civilian ownership.
3. 1986 - Firearm Owners' Protection Act - The important one - pre-1986 registered fully automatic weapons can be purchased by federally licensed private citizens(in states where automatic weapon ownership is legal), and fully automatic weapon made after 1986 is only legal for purchase by military and government agencies.

Looking all of that up, I ran into this article about automatic weapons being legal in Kansas as of April 08. It does not mention if the weapons are new or old, but I would think they would need to be made pre-1986 in order to be sold. However, I can't really find anything confirming this. Anyone have a clue?


Edit: Not to mention, each of those acts included clauses about who and who could not own a firearm. All of Acts makes it illegal for ex-convicts to own/possess a firearm. And in Kansas, in order to get a fully automatic weapon, you have to go threw a much more extensive background check, including one from The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

There is no ban on ownership. There has been a long ban on importation, which is why if you look up the prices, they are unreal.

[Spang]

Why is the AK-47, and guns like it, a necessity in the United States?

[Aardor]

There is no ban on ownership. There has been a long ban on importation, which is why if you look up the prices, they are unreal.

Really? why do you say that?

From H.R.4332, which is part of S.49 (better known as the Firearm Owner's Protection Act):

An amendment to make it unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun except in the case of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date of enactment.

from The Library of Congress.

Am I missing something? Sounds like if you own a fully automatic weapon that's made after 1986, it is illegal (since owning it is possessing it).


Edit: I also find the name of the Act funny, since it's actually restricting firearm owners rights (i guess it could mean they're protecting people from firearm owners though). Also, it's kind of weird that you need to be an ex-con (i.e. misdemeanors, probation before justice, etc do not effect your gun ownership) to be restricted from owning firearms, except if you committed domestic violence, then you are also banned. Guess people who beat their spouse have a higher chance of using a gun in an unlawful action.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

http://www.ehow.com/how_4454981_buy-aut ... eapon.html

Step1Complete an ATF Form 4 (5320.4). The transferor, the one transferring or selling the automatic weapon and the transferee, the one receiving or buying the automatic weapon, must both complete sections of this form. The "Law Enforcement Certification" section must also be signed by the head of the local law enforcement, which is often the sheriff.
Step2Include a 2 by 2-inch photograph of the transferee on each copy of the ATF form. This must be taken within the last year and include the transferee's address. This address cannot be a post office box.
Step3Submit a fingerprint on FBI Form FD-258. This must be done by someone who is approved to take them, such as the police department. The fingerprints are accompanied by a photograph and a certificate which states that the individual seeking to obtain the automatic weapon has no justifiable reason that prevents them from obtaining an automatic weapon.
Step4Check your local and state guidelines. If your area requires a permit or license to buy, receive or possess an automatic weapon you must send in a copy of the transferee's license or permit with the application and a $200 tax payment.
Step5Send the completed form and proper tax payment to Bureau of ATF, P.O. Box 73201, Chicago, IL 60673. If you are approved to obtain an automatic weapon, the original form is returned to you with an approval stamped on it. If you are denied, you are refunded the tax payment.

Couple of examples of pre-ban weapons for sale:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =114966287
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =114810268
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =114182118

[Aardor]

http://www.ehow.com/how_4454981_buy-aut ... eapon.html

Step1Complete an ATF Form 4 (5320.4). The transferor, the one transferring or selling the automatic weapon and the transferee, the one receiving or buying the automatic weapon, must both complete sections of this form. The "Law Enforcement Certification" section must also be signed by the head of the local law enforcement, which is often the sheriff.
Step2Include a 2 by 2-inch photograph of the transferee on each copy of the ATF form. This must be taken within the last year and include the transferee's address. This address cannot be a post office box.
Step3Submit a fingerprint on FBI Form FD-258. This must be done by someone who is approved to take them, such as the police department. The fingerprints are accompanied by a photograph and a certificate which states that the individual seeking to obtain the automatic weapon has no justifiable reason that prevents them from obtaining an automatic weapon.
Step4Check your local and state guidelines. If your area requires a permit or license to buy, receive or possess an automatic weapon you must send in a copy of the transferee's license or permit with the application and a $200 tax payment.
Step5Send the completed form and proper tax payment to Bureau of ATF, P.O. Box 73201, Chicago, IL 60673. If you are approved to obtain an automatic weapon, the original form is returned to you with an approval stamped on it. If you are denied, you are refunded the tax payment.

Couple of examples of pre-ban weapons for sale:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =114966287
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =114810268
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =114182118

So there is a ban of ownership on weapons made after 1986 (which is what my posts have been saying)?

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

It is not on manufacture date, it was registration date. I believe that anyone with a class 3 license can buy and own full-autos from after that ban though. Would have to do a little research to see the exact laws on that.

[Bubba Grizz]

This story mad me sad.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Why are murderers, and thugs like them, a necessity in the United States?

fixed

[Kaldaur]

I may not own a gun, but I don't have to, knowing that Kilmoll is out there to protect my ass

[*~*stragi*~*]

I don't think anyone should have guns.

i shot like 11 guns this weekend

[*~*stragi*~*]

the news often uses the terms assult rifle or ak-47 or m-16 to describe guns like the wasr10 or the ar15 which aren't automatic they are semi automatic which is probably what this dude illegally had which is a perfect example of how gun legislation is fucking worthless because crazy drug dealing scum still has guns even though its illegal for him to have guns isnt it cool ban guns lol etc

[*~*stragi*~*]

ps i voted for obama and there was this grasshopper that jumped right at me this weekend so i shot it with a shotgun and then a tarantula came out of no where so we fed it the grasshopper iw as fucking badddddassss

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

the news often uses the terms assult rifle or ak-47 or m-16 to describe guns like the wasr10 or the ar15 which aren't automatic they are semi automatic which is probably what this dude illegally had which is a perfect example of how gun legislation is fucking worthless because crazy drug dealing scum still has guns even though its illegal for him to have guns isnt it cool ban guns lol etc

this is the most sense stragi has ever made in a post

[*~*stragi*~*]

ps i voted for obama and there was this grasshopper that jumped right at me this weekend so i shot it with a shotgun and then a tarantula came out of no where so we fed it the grasshopper iw as fucking badddddassss

this really happened pics soon

[*~*stragi*~*]

the news often uses the terms assult rifle or ak-47 or m-16 to describe guns like the wasr10 or the ar15 which aren't automatic they are semi automatic which is probably what this dude illegally had which is a perfect example of how gun legislation is fucking worthless because crazy drug dealing scum still has guns even though its illegal for him to have guns isnt it cool ban guns lol etc

this is the most sense stragi has ever made in a post

no way when i dont use punctuation it is usually a lie or half lie except up there cuz i was like ban guns lol (that part is the lie)

[*~*stragi*~*]

ps i voted for obama and there was this grasshopper that jumped right at me this weekend so i shot it with a shotgun and then a tarantula came out of no where so we fed it the grasshopper iw as fucking badddddassss

this really happened pics soon

lie in this post is i didnt shoot it john shot it i yelled its coming right for you that shotgun was fucking nasty haha!!! lol pics inc still