Do You Think Palin is Qualified...?
Do You Think Palin is Qualified...?
This is ridiculous. I know people spam votes for American Idol but for a PBS poll?
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html
I know it's being spammed because there's no feesable way that they yes and no would be even otherwise.
edit: fixed broken link
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html
I know it's being spammed because there's no feesable way that they yes and no would be even otherwise.
edit: fixed broken link
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Palin is absolutely not qualified.
Also, that link is broken.
Also, that link is broken.
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I won't agree or disagree, consider the level of responsibility she'd have under McCain, what does she need to be qualified for? She's there to bring in votes and will be a task oriented gopher as a VP, like most VPs.Spang wrote:Palin is absolutely not qualified.
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Palin isn't even qualified to suck my dick.
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Is this a serious question? You don't think the VP should be qualified for anything other than getting coffee for the President?Aabidano wrote:I won't agree or disagree, consider the level of responsibility she'd have under McCain, what does she need to be qualified for? She's there to bring in votes and will be a task oriented gopher as a VP, like most VPs.Spang wrote:Palin is absolutely not qualified.
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Any VP needs to be qualified to assume the office of President, should the need arise. This is particularly the case if the President happens to be a geriatric patient with a history of health problems. I wouldn't be nearly as worried about Palin as a potential VP if, for example, she was on the ticket with Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee (61 and 53, respectively) rather than McCain. I'd still question her qualifications, but the risk that she'd actually be forced into the role of President would be greatly reduced.Aabidano wrote:I won't agree or disagree, consider the level of responsibility she'd have under McCain, what does she need to be qualified for? She's there to bring in votes and will be a task oriented gopher as a VP, like most VPs.
Strong Presidents with a "weak" VP are more our norm, Cheney\Bush and Biden\Obama aren't (or shouldn't be) representative, both are a deliberate manipulation of the public. Neither Cheney or Biden are electable so this is how the party gets them & their agenda in the door. I'm sure Obama (and Bush in the past) is smart enough to know who'll be running the show.
Also, I disagree with the notion that most VPs are "weak" or somehow insufficiently qualified, at least not during the last 30 years. During this time, all but Quayle were sufficiently qualified to be president, let alone Vice President, at the time they became VP. All but Quayle and Cheney, who has no interest in pursuing the office, went on to run for President, or had run before. Only Mondale failed to win their post-Vice Presidency election, although Gore had his victory stolen. George H.W. Bush and Al Gore had both run for President before becoming Vice Presidents. Bush lost his primary to Reagan, and Gore performed well in his failed bid in 1988.
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The fact that half of Americans think she is unqualified should not be overlooked.
Also, there's an AP story out and about today that details some ethical problems with Palin.
Also, there's an AP story out and about today that details some ethical problems with Palin.
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Here's an editorial on her from the Anchorage daily concerning "Troopergate"
Sarah Palin's reaction to the Legislature's Troopergate report is an embarrassment to Alaskans and the nation.
She claims the report "vindicates" her. She said that the investigation found "no unlawful or unethical activity on my part."
Her response is either astoundingly ignorant or downright Orwellian.
Page 8, Finding Number One of the report says: "I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act."
In plain English, she did something "unlawful." She broke the state ethics law.
Perhaps Gov. Palin has been too busy to actually read the Troopergate report. Perhaps she is relying on briefings from McCain campaign spinmeisters.
That's the charitable interpretation.
Because if she had actually read it, she couldn't claim "vindication" with a straight face.
Palin asserted that the report found "there was no abuse of authority at all in trying to get Officer Wooten fired."
In fact, the report concluded that "impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda, to wit: to get Trooper Michael Wooten fired."
Palin's response is the kind of political "big lie" that George Orwell warned against. War is peace. Black is white. Up is down.
Gov. Palin and her camp trumpeted the report's second finding: that she was within her legal authority to fire Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. But the report also said it's likely one of the reasons she fired him was his failure to get rid of her ex-brother-in-law trooper.
That's not "vindication," and surely Gov. Palin knows it.
Gov. Palin does have a defense. She could have said:
"I'm gratified that the report confirmed what I said all along, that I had the authority to terminate Walt Monegan as public safety commissioner.
"I absolutely disagree that I violated state ethics law. In repeatedly complaining about trooper Mike Wooten, Todd and I were not pursuing a personal vendetta. We were trying to protect the integrity of the Alaska State Troopers from having an arrogant, almost-out-of-control lawbreaker in their ranks. Because the action we were seeking was in the public interest, not purely our personal interest, there is no ethics law violation."
Gov. Palin and her husband felt so passionately about Wooten because the case was so personal to them. Their passion blinded them to any other considerations.
They had no sense that the power of the governor's office carries a special responsibility not to use it to settle family scores. They had no sense that legal restrictions might prevent the troopers from firing Wooten. They had no sense that persistent queries from the governor's office might be perceived as pressure to bend state personnel laws.
Gov. Palin and her husband were obsessed with Wooten the way Capt. Ahab was obsessed with the Great White Whale. No Wooten, no peace.
Has Gov. Palin committed an impeachable offense? Hardly.
Is what she did indictable? No.
But it wasn't appropriate, especially for someone elected as an ethical reformer. And her Orwellian claims of "vindication" make this blemish on her record look even worse.
You asked us to hold you accountable, Gov. Palin. Did you mean it?
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Re: Do You Think Palin is Qualified...?
found the AP story:
Palin has checkered history on ethics issues
By BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE
Associated Press Writers
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) _ Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, whose reformer image took a hit in a report concluding she abused her powers to settle a family score, has skirted state ethics rules before for personal benefit and used her office to help friends and supporters, according to an Associated Press review of records.
Palin's first try at statewide office, after six years as mayor of Wasilla, was an unsuccessful run for lieutenant governor in 2002. To raise money, she improperly used her City Hall office and equipment, city records show. A year later she would make headlines by blasting a fellow Republican for, among other things, improperly using his government position to boost his campaign.
Then, in 2006, Palin won the governor's race with a vow to reform state ethics. But in less than two years, she has repeatedly taken actions that violated her own stated standards for ethical behavior — if not state law. In the process, the Republican vice presidential nominee has become much like the old-school politicians she attacked during her rise to power.
Some examples:
—She pummeled opponents for giving oil companies and other businesses too much control of state government. Yet she appointed the founder of an engineering firm that received $6.8 million in state business as head of the transportation department.
—She has accepted dozens of gifts worth tens of thousands of dollars since taking office, including two free trips last year that she failed to report on disclosure forms, despite criticizing state legislators for the gifts they take.
—She is under another investigation, accused of misusing her office to campaign against a voter referendum calling for tighter mining regulations. Her husband, Todd, has accepted free trips from a mining company to look at their proposed new site.
—Another ethics complaint, unresolved, accuses her staff of finding a state job for a friend and campaign contributor.
Last week, an investigation by the Alaska legislature found that Palin, running mate to Republican presidential candidate John McCain, abused her powers when she and her husband improperly pressured the state public safety commissioner to fire her sister's ex-husband, a state trooper. The brother-in-law was never fired, but Palin fired the commissioner in July.
"It's all about the power, and it frightens me," said state Rep. Beth Kerttula, a Juneau Democrat who like many in the minority party have supported Palin on some issues, including energy policy. "She doesn't seem to know where the boundaries are."
Even critics concede that Palin deserves credit for working with legislators to toughen state ethics laws and for providing more information to taxpayers about state spending. She advocated restrictions on lobbyists' giving, increased disclosure requirements for public officials and posted state spending details on the Internet.
Palin also risked her own political future by exposing unethical behavior by other public officials, even those in her own party.
But they say she often claims the ethical high ground when she hasn't been above questionable behavior herself.
"She's very good at reading the public's discontent and pandering to it," said Larry Persily, who worked in the governor's Washington, D.C., office until resigning earlier this year.
Palin faced questions during her 2006 gubernatorial race about her use of the Wasilla mayor's office four years earlier to run for lieutenant governor. Palin used city staff and office equipment — including a fax machine, computers for e-mail and a City Hall phone number — to run her campaign, according to city records.
She apologized for those transgressions in 2006, but only this month acknowledged to the AP that the city initially paid for a campaign flight in that 2002 race and that weeks later she reimbursed the city.
"According to people who worked with her at the time, the travel agency inadvertently billed the city rather than her personally," McCain campaign spokesman Taylor Griffin said in a written statement. "To ensure that it was corrected immediately, she reimbursed Wasilla and the campaign later reimbursed her. It's an example of Gov. Palin's commitment to the highest standards of ethics."
Palin brushed the issue aside when she ran for governor, arguing it was nothing more than an opponent's smear campaign.
She has cast herself as Alaska's ethics watchdog. In her most dramatic move, she revealed in 2003 that the state's Republican Party leader was campaigning from his state job. She then challenged incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski two years ago on a platform of government reform.
After her victory, though, Palin reverted to political tradition, rewarding even marginally qualified friends and campaign backers with high-level positions.
A friend from her Wasilla High School class was named to manage the state's agriculture office after a career in real estate. A family friend and campaign worker became head of the state agency that invests Alaska's oil revenue. Her real estate agent's husband received an appointment to the state real estate board.
Palin's biggest political splash was from attacking the big oil companies that she said ran the state. She challenged their political power, and promised voters that her administration would avoid cozy relationships with business.
But one of her first cabinet appointments didn't live up to that pledge.
Leo von Scheben, a co-founder of Anchorage-based USKH Inc. engineering firm, took over the state's Department of Transportation and Public Facilities, and his firm's state business increased, records show. USKH received $6.8 million in state transportation contracts last year, up 13 percent from $6 million the year before.
Von Scheben stopped taking a salary and all benefits from the company when he stepped into the state job. But he didn't sever all financial ties. Von Scheben receives annual stock payments that he arranged before he left the company in 2007 that will continue for 10 years, according to his financial disclosure forms.
Von Scheben said he has recused himself on projects pursued by the firm and that others in the agency select companies to receive state business. He said he believes his appointment may have cost his former company state business, although he doesn't regret taking the job.
"If the state can't draw on some private sector people, they're missing out," he said.
Palin claims passage of broad ethics reforms as an accomplishment following state corruption scandals. But Palin didn't report as gifts two free trips she received in 2007 as legislators were debating the new ethics law.
"This is simply a rare oversight, nothing more," campaign spokesman Griffin said when asked about the omissions by the AP.
Palin has, in fact, reported most of her gifts on her annual financial disclosure forms, something her predecessor never did, according to Alaska Public Offices Commission records.
The unreported paid trips:
—The $2,988 cost of Palin's April 2007 flight and hotel in Scottsdale, Ariz., for a four-day conference was paid by the James B. Hunt Jr. Institute of North Carolina, a nonprofit education policy group. Palin received the same free trip as dozens of other governors invited over the years to attend the annual summit, institute spokesman April White said.
—A May 2007 overnight visit with her three daughters and her parents attending a family reception at Mt. Chilkoot Lodge in Skagway, Alaska, was paid for by friend and former deputy campaign treasurer Kathy Hosford, one of the lodge's owners.
"We weren't open and it was just on a friendship basis," Hosford said.
The Palins used two suites valued at $150 each, said Sharon Leighow, a spokeswoman in the governor's office.
The same day Palin visited Skagway, executives of the Anchorage-based VECO Inc. pleaded guilty to offering bribes to five legislators. Palin, mingling with old family friends and town residents, spoke briefly with local reporters during her visit, calling the corruption developments "atrocious" and promising change.
"There are problems in state government," Palin told The Skagway News, "and on our watch it is our responsibility to show people that we are going to clean things up."
Persily, who said he left Palin's administration because he didn't enjoy working in Washington, said Palin is skillful in "attacking the 'good ol' boys.' The good ol' boys that Palin is talking about are those that can't help her politically."
Democratic state Rep. Mike Doogan said Palin, even as she bends or breaks the rules herself, acts as if she invented ethics in Alaska.
"It's insulting to those of us who have always done the right thing," he said.
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press.
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Re: Do You Think Palin is Qualified...?
More McCain/Palin supporters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf_R3hQGYT4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf_R3hQGYT4
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I'd let her suck mine, even if she wasn't qualified.miir wrote:Palin isn't even qualified to suck my dick.
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This is absolute nonsense. Instead of admitting that she's a dolt and is not qualified for the office you denigrate the purpose of the office. Fucking insanity. And when McCain croaks and dies we are stuck with this bimbo as our president? Wow. The fact that you need to ask the question "what does she need to be qualified for?" is evidence that you don't believe she is qualified. Get your head out of your ass.Aabidano wrote:I won't agree or disagree, consider the level of responsibility she'd have under McCain, what does she need to be qualified for? She's there to bring in votes and will be a task oriented gopher as a VP, like most VPs.Spang wrote:Palin is absolutely not qualified.
Strong Presidents with a "weak" VP are more our norm, Cheney\Bush and Biden\Obama aren't (or shouldn't be) representative, both are a deliberate manipulation of the public. Neither Cheney or Biden are electable so this is how the party gets them & their agenda in the door. I'm sure Obama (and Bush in the past) is smart enough to know who'll be running the show.
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EEENT!miir wrote:Palin isn't even qualified to suck my dick.
I'd skull fuck her.. if only to keep her from talking.
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ThisXyun wrote:This is absolute nonsense.Aabidano wrote:I won't agree or disagree, consider the level of responsibility she'd have under McCain, what does she need to be qualified for? She's there to bring in votes and will be a task oriented gopher as a VP, like most VPs.Spang wrote:Palin is absolutely not qualified.
Strong Presidents with a "weak" VP are more our norm, Cheney\Bush and Biden\Obama aren't (or shouldn't be) representative, both are a deliberate manipulation of the public. Neither Cheney or Biden are electable so this is how the party gets them & their agenda in the door. I'm sure Obama (and Bush in the past) is smart enough to know who'll be running the show.