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Letter written about Sarah Palin from a resident of Wasilla. It has been authenticated by Scopes.

It's a shame a lot of people will never know anything about what Sarah has done with her past. Why would we let someone like this be President when McCain bites it?
ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000
(at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about
670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation
(1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in
5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission
(who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiative that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

CLAIM VS FACT
*"Hockey mom": true for a few years
*"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
*"NRA supporter": absolutely true
*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
(said she did this because it was unconstitutional).
*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
*"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation
*"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
*political maverick: not at all
*gutsy: absolutely!
*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
*"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
*pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS

I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was
5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to
2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.
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Pretty lame. Some of that is plain stupid.

Claims vs Facts:

Hockey mom:
*"Hockey mom": true for a few years
How many years are you supposed to be a hockey mom? Your kids grow up. Jesus.

Sounds like it was written by a democrat campaign strategist hoping for it to spread viral style.
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I can't copy and paste the bottom of the Scopes page, so why don't you go ahead and read that yourself.

What else can you nit-pick at the article for besides her claiming Sarah was only a hockey mom for a few years.
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There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.
The author is throwing out their personal opinion.
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.
Wow, hard hitting stuff we all didn't know!
She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.
examples? just a bullshit statement with no hard evidence.

The rest is all half truths at best. weak sauce.
She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.
Another jealous statement. Nothing to back it up...just throwing out bullshit.
She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".
WTF is this? This must be a guy that got shot down by her in junior high.

I'm sure this post is a joke...at least I hope so. You can't be serious about this!
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Winnow wrote: The rest is all half truths at best. weak sauce.
She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.
Another jealous statement. Nothing to back it up...just throwing out bullshit.
That exact behaviour was clearly exhibited by our prime minister for 12 years. I don't see any evidence either, but I think it passes the laugh test, and this person is in a better position to know than either of us...

Whatever, as far as I can see Palin's been given what we call in Rugby a "hospital pass". No one else wants to be on the ticket given the odds of McCain winning.
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Zaelath wrote:and this person is in a better position to know than either of us...

What person? I see no identity attached to the statement.


I saw this on the internet:
I'd like to talk about Obama. I was a member of his Black Panther gang growing up. He hates white people.
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Winnow wrote:
Zaelath wrote:and this person is in a better position to know than either of us...

What person? I see no identity attached to the statement.
First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.
l2read?
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I guess its safe to assume he didn't read the Verified letter article at the bottom of Scopes either, validating that the The Daily News called Anne Kilkenny to ask if the letter was real, and she responded after hearing a few words from the letter, that yes, it is in fact written by her and is 100% non-fiction.

So i guess Winnow knows more about Sarah Palin than someone who has known her long enough to call her and her parents by their first name.
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My apologies. She has an identity!

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Sure post a picture of a republican and call it her. Funny..

But more for you winnow!!

It appears i was wrong and she is in fact a democrat, but this is a validation of her email.
Comments: Anne Kilkenny is a real person who lives in Wasilla, Alaska, the town in which Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin served as mayor for two terms before running for governor. Kilkenny has confirmed writing this partisan, mostly negative assessment of Palin's style of governing and political views.

As someone who was active in civic affairs and frequently attended city council meetings when Palin was mayor, Kilkenny is well-placed to make such an assessment. She also happens to be a Democrat, so it goes without saying that her opinions probably differ from those of Republicans who observed Palin's activities during the same period. Partisanship aside, though, many of the factual statements in the letter have been confirmed as true elsewhere.

Kilkenny has her share of detractors too, I should add -- some of whom have speculated that she holds a grudge against Palin, or may be envious of the VP candidate's success. Kilkenny denies it. "Everybody likes her because she's a real nice person," she told CNN.com in a story published September 5, 2008. "She's always been nice to me and everyone in town. I wrote my message in the spirit of providing complete and accurate information. I'm not angry or jealous."

Instead of attempting to wade through this wordy document to fact-check every statement, I offer the following selection of links from a variety of sources and viewpoints evaluating Sarah Palin's record and political stands.
Go HERE for the links to her records and political stands the quote describes.
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Doesn't matter if she's "real".

A lot of her comments were personal opinion. Imagine if someone from Fires of Heaven or Celestial Tomb ran for President of Veeshan. You don't think you'd get wildly varying opinions from people that knew the candidate? It's always the disgruntled (usually liberal) person that feels the need to whine about someone. Did she have a crush on Palins' snowblower racing husband? Did she get booted out of the cool circle of friends in high school? Pure jealously of success? Could be anything. It's one person. As poorly as her comments are written, with plenty of unsupported opinions thrown in to make it more damaging, I take it as seriously as the Swiftboat articles against Kerry.
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Winnow wrote:It's always the disgruntled (usually liberal) person that feels the need to whine about someone.
I take it as seriously as the Swiftboat articles against Kerry.
Self pwnage.

I think it's pretty reasonable to share what you know about someone's political record when they're on the ticket for President... indeed, there's some opinion, but I doubt any of it is as baseless as say, the published rationale for the war in Iraq.

It's certainly a lot better informed opinion than some of the jackasses that post here like they're authorities on everything.
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Zaelath wrote:
Winnow wrote:It's always the disgruntled (usually liberal) person that feels the need to whine about someone.
I take it as seriously as the Swiftboat articles against Kerry.
Self pwnage.

I think it's pretty reasonable to share what you know about someone's political record when they're on the ticket for President... indeed, there's some opinion, but I doubt any of it is as baseless as say, the published rationale for the war in Iraq.

It's certainly a lot better informed opinion than some of the jackasses that post here like they're authorities on everything.
I had a discussion with my Aunt, and my cousin and her husband recently about Palin, because they are from Alaska (well, they have lived there for about 18 years or so.)

They are about as liberal as it gets. My uncle was the principal at the high school in Wasilla before he passed away, and my aunt has been principal and teacher at other schools in Wasilla. They too knew her well, and to be honest, they had mostly good things to say about her and what she has done there.. Of course they did have things that they didn't like, but I'd say overall the good outweighed the bad.

I didn't have someone writing down our conversation so I could post it here.. Otherwise I'd go into more detail. Who knows, maybe Palin kicked this ladies dog or something.
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Oh, no. I don't doubt this person doesn't like Palin at all :)

There are certainly some things in there that aren't opinion and aren't in doubt however that I would be worried about if you upped her budget from $20 million to $20 trillion (or whatever the fed budget is...)

On the bright side, I don't expect she'd be quite as bloodthirsty as the current veep.
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The name of the site is snopes, not scopes.
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She has not shot anyone......yet.
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