Typical Woman Stereotype

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Hillary is making the sexists feel right. In just 4 months, Hillary has been all over the emotional spectrum. Tough to crying to bitter to angry to sarcastic, etc.

Clinton Turns From Anger to Sarcasm
By Julie Bosman

PROVIDENCE, R.I. – On Saturday, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton showed her angry side, admonishing Senator Barack Obama for a campaign mailing that she called misleading.
On Sunday, before a rally of several thousand, she added a heavy dose of sarcasm.
“Now I could stand up here and say, let’s get everybody together, let’s get unified the sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing,” she said, to a smattering of giggles. “And everyone will know we should do the right thing, and the world will be perfect.”
She added: “But I have no illusions about how hard this is going to be. You are not going to wave a magic wand and make the special interests disappear.”

Campaigning for votes before the pivotal primary contests in Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont on March 4, Mrs. Clinton has sought to deflate Mr. Obama’s message of hope and change by portraying herself as a hard-nosed realist who understands the rigors of the presidency. Mr. Obama and his supporters, she has repeatedly suggested, are wide-eyed and naïve.
In Huber Heights, Ohio, on Saturday, Mrs. Clinton said, referring to Mr. Obama, “I’m not asking you to take a leap of faith on me. I’m asking you to look at the record.”
At the Democratic debate on Thursday night, Mr. Obama addressed her criticisms directly. “The implication is that the people who have been voting for me or involved in my campaign are somehow delusional,” he said. “What they see is that if we don’t bring the country together, stop the endless bickering, actually focus on solutions and reduce the special interests that have dominated Washington, then we will not get anything done.”
Polls suggest a tightening race in Texas and Ohio, states that Mrs. Clinton’s surrogates – including her husband – have suggested are critical to her candidacy. She has lost 11 straight primary contests to Mr. Obama.
On her campaign plane Sunday morning, Mrs. Clinton sounded an upbeat, if slightly cautious, note about her prospects in Texas and Ohio. “I’m working as hard as I can,” she said. “I have good campaigns in Texas and Ohio. And I feel really positive about what’s going to happen on March 4. I really believe that we’re going to do well.”

Rawr!

[Syenye]

Hillary is making the sexists feel right. In just 4 months, Hillary has been all over the emotional spectrum. Tough to crying to bitter to angry to sarcastic, etc.

right, because women shouldn't be able to display more than one emotion in a four month period. fuck you, you ignorant twat.

(that was two by the way... sarcasm, followed by anger)

[Fairweather Pure]

http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/hillary-cry.html

[Funkmasterr]

http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/hillary-cry.html

Holy shit, I haven't laughed that hard in a while. His little paragraph by the three pictures.. wow.

I think it is time for Hilary to pack it up and realize Obama spanked her.

[Fairweather Pure]

http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/hi ... ghing.html

Well, this one was pretty good too, but the other was more on topic!

[Wulfran]

Its funny and sad, the way we (society at large) look at women. If a woman displays emotions, she's frail, weak, moody or whatever the fuck. If she doesn't she's cold, unfeeling and robotic. Conversely these same traits in men are admired. How the fuck can they win? People talk about McCain having a temper too but it doesn't seem to draw they headlines (or criticizing speculation) of Hillary's sex.

It reminds a couple years ago when our team at work was interviewing for a new engineer and my supervisor narrowed it down to 2 candidates, one man and one woman. My supervisor was discussing the situation with me after the interviews (which ended up with both candidates essentially tied in terms of the team interviews) and related that some of the guys commented that they were worried the female candidate could turn into a "real ball buster". I responded that we want someone with a certain level of aggression (be they male or female) to push things along and make sure they get done, so how was that a bad thing? I didn't ask outright "how does her being a woman make it worse" but I think he understood. My thoughts were the woman would make a better fit with the team than the guy being interviewed but the boss disagreed in the end and we hired the guy instead. I've always wondered if that whole stereotype of "the ball busting woman engineer" had much to do with it, being that she was going to have to deal with a fair number of grumpy old men. IMO the guy never really worked out that well but at least some of the guys never had to worry about another (we had 2 women out of 9 people on the team already) woman going off on them...

[Funkmasterr]

Its funny and sad, the way we (society at large) look at women. If a woman displays emotions, she's frail, weak, moody or whatever the fuck. If she doesn't she's cold, unfeeling and robotic. Conversely these same traits in men are admired. How the fuck can they win? People talk about McCain having a temper too but it doesn't seem to draw they headlines (or criticizing speculation) of Hillary's sex.

It reminds a couple years ago when our team at work was interviewing for a new engineer and my supervisor narrowed it down to 2 candidates, one man and one woman. My supervisor was discussing the situation with me after the interviews (which ended up with both candidates essentially tied in terms of the team interviews) and related that some of the guys commented that they were worried the female candidate could turn into a "real ball buster". I responded that we want someone with a certain level of aggression (be they male or female) to push things along and make sure they get done, so how was that a bad thing? I didn't ask outright "how does her being a woman make it worse" but I think he understood. My thoughts were the woman would make a better fit with the team than the guy being interviewed but the boss disagreed in the end and we hired the guy instead. I've always wondered if that whole stereotype of "the ball busting woman engineer" had much to do with it, being that she was going to have to deal with a fair number of grumpy old men. IMO the guy never really worked out that well but at least some of the guys never had to worry about another (we had 2 women out of 9 people on the team already) woman going off on them...

While I might agree with you in most cases, I will most certainly argue that Hilary is not some poor misunderstood lady. She is an evil, fire breathing, bone grinding monster that given the chance, will burn this world to the ground, consume it's remains, and shit them back out all over what, if anything, is left.

[Chidoro]

Its funny and sad, the way we (society at large) look at women. If a woman displays emotions, she's frail, weak, moody or whatever the fuck. If she doesn't she's cold, unfeeling and robotic. Conversely these same traits in men are admired. How the fuck can they win? People talk about McCain having a temper too but it doesn't seem to draw they headlines (or criticizing speculation) of Hillary's sex.

While I too agree that painting this picture of women that Mid tried to present is ridiculous (I've had a couple of high level direct reports recently and neither of them display anything but professionalism and the skills that earned them their positions), it's Hillary that's the problem. She is either the worst actress ever or she truly is one of the most disingenous people i've seen who's running for a large public office position.

[Fash]

She is extremely disingenuous... One day she's 'honored' to be there with Barack and we're just going to be fine, the next day it's "Shame on you, Barack!"

She cried about how hard it is running for president... What is so hard about it?... Is it harder than what millions of people do every day? Is it tougher than running a company?... Is it hard because she's trying to hide the REAL Hillary without getting caught in a lie from all of her fantasies?

I don't agree with the original article, but I don't think you can deny that Hillary and her campaign have been the people invoking race and gender into this campaign.

Her campaign has even more false rhetoric than Obama, considering both Clintons love affair with the Washington establishment... She would likely be the status quo candidate, if she were to win.

Of the 3, I see it going down like this. McCain will take us further into war, likely with Iran, and it will appear like some have predicted, 'bushs third term.' Hillary will turn Iraq into a cash cow for her entire term. She won't go into Iran, choosing instead to allow them to gain strength until she's out of office, but the Military Industrial Complex and all of it's benefactors will get fat and happy. Obama is the only real candidate of change... An outsider, he has at least a chance of getting in there without being a total stooge. He may actually be able to change the 'tone' of Washington.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Obama is the only real candidate of change... An outsider, he has at least a chance of getting in there without being a total stooge. He may actually be able to change the 'tone' of Washington.

HAHAHA

The only thing he may alter (not change) is the perception of Washington.

[Truant]

Obama is the only real candidate of change... An outsider, he has at least a chance of getting in there without being a total stooge. He may actually be able to change the 'tone' of Washington.

HAHAHA

The only thing he may alter (not change) is the perception of Washington.

Curious, do you realize that the definition of alter is 'to change'?

[Toshira]

So much misogyny...so little time.

Romney insinuated that his sons were as patriotic as the troops in Iraq because they were campaigning for him, and the press doesn't jump on it nearly as hard as it should. Chelsea campaigns for her mom? Hillary is accused of "pimping" her out.

McCain's supporter calls her a "bitch" - and McCain lets it slide.

There's a type of sexual aggression that Hillary has to contend with - a type no other candidate does. I don't hear her calling "uncle" though.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

So much misogyny...so little time.

Romney insinuated that his sons were as patriotic as the troops in Iraq because they were campaigning for him, and the press doesn't jump on it nearly as hard as it should. Chelsea campaigns for her mom? Hillary is accused of "pimping" her out.

McCain's supporter calls her a "bitch" - and McCain lets it slide.

There's a type of sexual aggression that Hillary has to contend with - a type no other candidate does. I don't hear her calling "uncle" though.

No she fighting and changing her words by the day to hold on to her shot at being the first woman president. She's a real rock.

[Winnow]

I'd hate Hillary just as much if it was a woman.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Hillary being "humble"... Feb. 21 -

“You know, no matter what happens in this contest,” Clinton said, “I am honored, I am honored to be here with Barack Obama. I am absolutely honored.” The crowd of 2,000 — a mix of UT students and Texas Democrats — applauded wildly.

Hillary leaks pictures of Obama in Muslim-type garb and trashes him....this weekend -

"We've seen the tragic result of having a president who had neither the experience nor the wisdom to manage our foreign policy and safeguard our national security," she said. "We can't let that happen again."

"The American people don't have to guess whether I understand the issues or whether I would need a foreign policy instruction manual to guide me through a crisis, or whether I'd have to rely on advisers to introduce me to global affairs," she said.

Hillary mocks Obama....Sunday - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/2 ... 88194.html

Desperation and anger over Americas ignorance in not understanding how her 35 years of experience (ROFL) being the wife of someone sucessful makes her the best candidate. Hilarious shit.

[Funkmasterr]

So much misogyny...so little time.

Romney insinuated that his sons were as patriotic as the troops in Iraq because they were campaigning for him, and the press doesn't jump on it nearly as hard as it should. Chelsea campaigns for her mom? Hillary is accused of "pimping" her out.

McCain's supporter calls her a "bitch" - and McCain lets it slide.

There's a type of sexual aggression that Hillary has to contend with - a type no other candidate does. I don't hear her calling "uncle" though.

The fact that you are trying to make her out to be some kind of a martyr speaks volumes for your character.

As others have stated, she has gone well over many lines in what her and her campaign/people have said/insinuated about other people as well. She is no better than any of them and has no right to try and play the victim card, but I guess you did it for her anyways.

[Tyek]

My wife and I had this discussion last night. She said she will not vote for Clinton, but feels at least slightly compelled to do so since she is a woman.

I understand the desire to see a change like this, I have no issue voting for a woman. I want to vote for the best candidate. I am tired of reading articles or hearing people say that if I don't vote for her I am misogynistic. I just don't like her as a candidate. I seriously question her experience she touts. She was a first lady, nothing more. She has been a Senator but I do not think she has been one longer then Obama.

I see clips like the one Mid linked and I wonder how she thinks I would accept that as Presidential behavior. She is behaving like a spoiled child that did not get her way. She is losing and in doing so, she is doing a number of things that are making her lose her dignity as well.

She was bought and sold by the insurance companies. She has claimed Barack has no successes, yet could not point to one herself. She is a joke. Would I vote for a woman, hell yes if she was a good candidate. I am no going to vote for a woman just to show I understand the hardships you have faced. I vote for the best candidate in my opinion and Hillary is not that one. If that makes me a woman hater then so be it.

[Syenye]

I am no going to vote for a woman just to show I understand the hardships you have faced. I vote for the best candidate in my opinion and Hillary is not that one. If that makes me a woman hater then so be it.

I don't think anyone of intelligence would accuse you of hating women because you don't think Hillary's the best one for the job based on policy.

The way Hillary has behaved during her campaign is because she's an asshole, not a because she's a woman, and the inability to tell the difference is the real problem.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Hillary is making the sexists feel right. In just 4 months, Hillary has been all over the emotional spectrum. Tough to crying to bitter to angry to sarcastic, etc.

right, because women shouldn't be able to display more than one emotion in a four month period. fuck you, you ignorant twat.

(that was two by the way... sarcasm, followed by anger)

It's too bad you felt the need to respond that way. I never said anything. I posted a current event article and comented how her behavior is going to make the sexist folks point and say "see? I told you.".

[Tyek]

I agree with you on the asshole thing.

I have read several articles, seen women from NOW and other organizations basically accuse anyone not supporting her of being misogynistic idiots. I forgot who it was, maybe Tina Fey, who claimed that being an tough, independant woman was the new black in America. I love Tina Fey, but that is a ignorant and stupid comment.

If you actually look at her from an objective standpoint you see her for what she is, the stereotypical, all bluster no substance politician.

[Sueven]

The following two things are true:

1. Many sexist and misogynistic attacks have been made on Hillary during this primary season.

2. Many people hate Hillary for reasons entirely unrelated to her gender, including the fact that she's a bitch.

Those two are not mutually exclusive in the least.

[Winnow]

As female politicians go, I like Elizabeth Dole. She even put up with Bob Dole's Viagra commercials.

[Nick]

Hillary trying to position herself as an anti-special interest group politician is hilarious. As was her crying over New Hampshire. Feeling sympathy for the "woman's plight" would be fine, but applying that to Hillary Clinton is ridiculous. She's as shrewd as any fuckwit around.

Puh.lease.

[Forthe]

Hillary may have to deal with some sexism but at least Hillary doesn't have anyone trying to make people subconsciously identify her with terrorists. Hillary is risking quite a lot using some of these tactics.

Every day we see a new version of Hillary. It is as if she tries a new personality every day hoping to find one that will help her poll numbers. I have watched political discussions today debating "which Hillary" will show up for tonight's debate. And that wasn't a derogatory subject (at least not obviously), it was a serious debate.

It isn't a sex thing, if Obama had these kind of personality swings we would all think he was nuts. Just look at what happened to Dean when did the excited howl thing.

[Animale]

Hillary really is in a tough place, as she has to make up on the go how a "woman politician" should act in how she phrases her rhetoric and public speaking. With apologies to Ms. Thatcher, there really has never been a woman in the western world who has had to campaign for a position quite like run for President of the U.S.A. So, she has to make up her public speaking image on the fly, without many historical precedents to lean on. Obama has taken many rhetorical lessons from the classics (Cicero, Aristotle) and has melded it, much like MLK Jr. and Bill Clinton, with the rhetorical background of the African America Black Church.

As a woman, Hillary really doesn't have many modern precedents, as Thatcher was NOT a great public speaker and most the lessons from antiquity don't play very well coming from a woman as it's "too bold" or some other crap. The successes and failures of Hillary Clinton to resonate as a public speaker is something that will be looked upon carefully by the historians of rhetoric. Hopefully the next woman who runs for President will learn from both Hillary's foibles and her successes.

Animale

[Toshira]

No she fighting and changing her words by the day to hold on to her shot at being the first woman president. She's a real rock.

I'm a bit surprised at you Mid, thought you were smarter than this.

Every election cycle, you will see common themes.

a) candidates accusing each other of flip-flopping.
b) candidates accusing each other of being "out of step" or "extreme" - attempting to alienate them from middle America.

The only reason Hillary looks less stable than Obama is she's 0 and 10 and using desperation hour tactics now.

[Toshira]

The fact that you are trying to make her out to be some kind of a martyr speaks volumes for your character.

As others have stated, she has gone well over many lines in what her and her campaign/people have said/insinuated about other people as well. She is no better than any of them and has no right to try and play the victim card, but I guess you did it for her anyways.

I don't know why it says anything about my character, actually. I don't see her as a victim at all - she seems to be very thick skinned.

If you actually look at her from an objective standpoint you see her for what she is, the stereotypical, all bluster no substance politician.

Funny, the debates I've been watching show that she has a much greater grasping of policy nuance and detail than Obama.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Maybe, but it isn't working. Last night with her starting the night off whining about having to start off with the first question in every debate (which is not true, it's 50/50), was fucking awful. What a whiny bitch she is coming off as. Fuck her right in her fuckhole.

[Fash]

I don't think she did anything special last night to cause a change in the direction of things... I especially did not like the way she was smiling at Russert while he asked about releasing her tax return.

When she loses next tuesday, I hope she's ready to concede the whole thing.

[Sueven]

Funny, the debates I've been watching show that she has a much greater grasping of policy nuance and detail than Obama.

I don't really get this. For two reasons:

1. It just doesn't seem to be true. When I watch the debates, Obama seems to have an equal grasp on policy. He might focus on it less, but he never displays a lack of understanding on the frequent occasions he does turn to policy. Clinton also hasn't shown me any particular mastery above and beyond any other politician.

Note, for instance, the health care exchanges. The only real difference is the existence of Hillary's mandate, which she defends by saying 'why, it's as if FDR made social security voluntary!' Obama generally manages to point out three very important facts: First, it's not at all like that-- social security involves a mandate on the GOVERNMENT to provide something to individuals, whereas Hillary's healthcare plan involves a mandate on INDIVIDUALS to purchase something from private actors; and second, Hillary has provided no specifics as to how she plans to enforce this mandate-- and as far as anyone can tell, the only options are to fine people who don't participate (which is obviously bad-- now they have no health insurance and they're paying fines to the government) or exempting them from the mandate (in which case it's not a real mandate and it's not universal); and third, that the mandate basically forces young, healthy people, who neither want nor require health insurance, to purchase health insurance anyway in order to subsidize the costs for the less healthy (which may or may not be a problem depending on your viewpoint). Obama has also pointed out Massachusetts as an example of Hillary's plan in action. As far as I've seen, Clinton has no particular responses to these points of Obama's, beyond "we just disagree" and "we need to do what will work, and it won't work without a mandate" and so forth.

So how exactly am I supposed to watch this and conclude that Clinton is the one with the detailed knowledge and nuanced perspective and Obama is the neophyte with no clue as to the subtleties of what he's talking about?

Let's also not forget that Hillary's last healthcare effort was a disaster. I'm sure that she will learn from her mistakes, but regardless, failing miserably at a task makes you less qualified to perform it on a second effort rather than more qualified. Her nuanced grasp of policy didn't seem to help her get anything accomplished the first time around.

2. Who cares? We're talking about who has a more thorough understanding of their own PROPOSALS. These are imaginary, hypothetical plans. They don't exist. Neither candidate has hashed out the details. Neither candidate has battled with Congress over specifics. Neither plan will be passed in anything particularly close to their as proposed form. Who gives a fuck which candidate has a more thorough grasp of IMAGINARY POLICY?

[Toshira]

What frightens me honestly, is that Hillary will not bow out after Texas and Ohio, the Superdelegas will be the decision makers and they will choose her for the nomination (because she's more a part of the old boys' network than he is).

What will happen then, I wonder.

[Sueven]

Hillary will lose the election and the Democratic party as we know it will fall apart. There will be massive defections of African-Americans, young people, and white men.

I don't think it will happen though. If she loses Texas, it'll be over right there.

[Winnow]

For me, the 2008 Presidential campaigns have two stages. The first is removing Hillary from the race followed up by the actual serious consideration between the remaining Dem and Rep candidates.

The removal of Hillary from consideration should be the chief concern for the welfare of the United States.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

For me, the 2008 Presidential campaigns have two stages. The first is removing Hillary from the race followed up by the actual serious consideration between the remaining Dem and Rep candidates.

The removal of Hillary from consideration should be the chief concern for the welfare of the United States.

All aboard the Stop Hillary Express.......CHOO...CHOO

[Fash]

nice Reuters photo! Link

[Funkmasterr]

nice Reuters photo! Link

Thanks fash, stealing that one.

[Xyun]

Hillary is a scandalous fucking bitch whore and I hate her to high hell. This is an example of why

"You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?" Kroft asked Sen. Clinton.

"Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that," she replied.

"You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not...a Muslim. You don't believe that he's...," Kroft said.

"No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know," she said.

Not that there's anything more wrong with being a muslim than a christian, they're both fucking batshit insane. The issue is that she is implying doubt when she fucking knows damn well... gawd I fucking hate this bitch.

[Jice Virago]

I'd hate Hillary just as much if it was a woman.

Hate to agree with Winnow on anything, but I second that. Of course, I am fairly certain Hillary actually has a penis....

[Fash]

Chatty Crowd Forces Clinton to Cut Speech Short
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/14 ... 4458.shtml

PHILADELPHIA -- Hillary Clinton was forced to cut her normal stump speech short when a chatty and meddlesome crowd kept her from grasping their attention. Clinton, who was addressing the Philadelphia County Democratic Party's Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, spoke for just over five minutes, despite having the press arrive almost two hours beforehand.

The crowd never settled down during her remarks. A spokesman for Clinton denied that she cut the speech short, and told reporters that Clinton was advised by her Pennsylvania team to deliver “a short speech" given the set up of the event.

In previous party dinners, most recently in Butte, Mt., Clinton spoke for almost an hour to a crowd that seemed to be paying attention. The aide said this was a “different type” of J-J Dinner, primarily because people were not seated at tables, and were “milling around” the banquet hall.

Whether or not Clinton’s reception at the dinner had anything to do with her recent attacks on Barack Obama remains unclear. Clinton has never delivered a formal speech in such a short amount of time. The most recent abbreviated speech was back on February 15 when Clinton spoke to a crowd at a Lockheed Martin plant in Akron, Ohio. The speech lasted for just 12 minutes, with the first applause line coming 11 minutes into the speech.

Haha... even her own supporters aren't interested in listening to her!

[Boogahz]

Are they sure that the dinner guests were not actually some type of flash mob? That would actually be a fun type of thing to crash with one!