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Broken Satellite Will Be Shot Down

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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Pentagon is planning to shoot down a broken spy satellite expected to hit the Earth in early March, The Associated Press has learned.

U.S. officials said Thursday that the option preferred by the Bush administration will be to fire a missile from a U.S. Navy cruiser, and shoot down the satellite before it enters Earth's atmosphere.


The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the options will not be publicly discussed until a later Pentagon briefing.

The disabled satellite is expected to hit the Earth the first week of March. Officials said the Navy would likely shoot it down before then, using a special missile modified for the task.

Other details about the missile and the targeting were not immediately available. But the decision involves several U.S. agencies, including the National Security Agency, the Department of Homeland Defense and the State Department.

Shooting down a satellite is particularly sensitive because of the controversy surrounding China's anti-satellite test last year, when Beijing shot down one of its defunct weather satellites, drawing immediate criticism from the U.S. and other countries.

A key concern at that time was the debris created by Chinese satellite's destruction—and that will also be a focus now, as the U.S. determines exactly when and under what circumstances to shoot down its errant satellite.


The military will have to choose a time and a location that will avoid to the greatest degree any damage to other satellites in the sky. Also, there is the possibility that large pieces could remain, and either stay in orbit where they can collide with other satellites or possibly fall to Earth.

It is not known where the satellite will hit. But officials familiar with the situation say about half of the 5,000-pound spacecraft is expected to survive its blazing descent through the atmosphere and will scatter debris—some of it potentially hazardous—over several hundred miles. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

The satellite is outfitted with thrusters—small engines used to position it in space. They contain the toxic rocket fuel hydrazine, which can cause harm to anyone who contacts it.
Yeah let's show China we can shoot down satellites too, after we jumped all over them for doing it... Although, they did it to test it out and make a statement, while we actually have a good reason...

Meanwhile Russia and China are talking about banning weapons in space, which is something the US will NEVER agree to. The US Armed Forces fully intend to do just that, and may have already put certain pieces in place covertly.
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We aren't far off from having the "Real Genius" satellite that can target and zap individual people from space.
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U.S. officials said Thursday that the option preferred by the Bush administration will be to fire a missile from a U.S. Navy cruiser, and shoot down the satellite before it enters Earth's atmosphere.
Wow SAMs that can hit targets in space? Far cry from Gary Power's day, when they thought the U2 was imune.
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Fash wrote:Meanwhile Russia and China are talking about banning weapons in space, which is something the US will NEVER agree to. The US Armed Forces fully intend to do just that, and may have already put certain pieces in place covertly.
I could have sworn that we already DID agree not to put weapons in space.
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Boogahz wrote:
Fash wrote:Meanwhile Russia and China are talking about banning weapons in space, which is something the US will NEVER agree to. The US Armed Forces fully intend to do just that, and may have already put certain pieces in place covertly.
I could have sworn that we already DID agree not to put weapons in space.

In 1970 or so, before Reagan broke that 'treaty' with the starwars plan.
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Noysyrump wrote:In 1970 or so, before Reagan broke that 'treaty' with the starwars plan.
I thought the "starwars" weapons were all terrestrially based weapons? The starwars name was just a popular tag for the technology. Reagan didn't have an impact nationally until after 1981...

I'm pretty sure that while we and other nations have the capability to deploy space based weapons it hasn't happened on any meaningful scale. Way too easy to get caught, and no way to hide or protect them once they're there.

What Regan could have broken was the MAD basis of cold war peace. The existence of such weapons wasn't his point anyway, bankrupting the Soviet Union was.
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Boogahz wrote:
Fash wrote:Meanwhile Russia and China are talking about banning weapons in space, which is something the US will NEVER agree to. The US Armed Forces fully intend to do just that, and may have already put certain pieces in place covertly.
I could have sworn that we already DID agree not to put weapons in space.
A quick google search seems to say otherwise.
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Aabidano wrote:
Noysyrump wrote:In 1970 or so, before Reagan broke that 'treaty' with the starwars plan.
I thought the "starwars" weapons were all terrestrially based weapons? The starwars name was just a popular tag for the technology. Reagan didn't have an impact nationally until after 1981...

I'm pretty sure that while we and other nations have the capability to deploy space based weapons it hasn't happened on any meaningful scale. Way too easy to get caught, and no way to hide or protect them once they're there.

What Regan could have broken was the MAD basis of cold war peace. The existence of such weapons wasn't his point anyway, bankrupting the Soviet Union was.
You read me all wrong I think.

I seem to recall a treaty in the early 70s to keep the arms race out of space. To save us both the enormouse cost. Reagan was elected in 1980, and launched his plan to disregard that treaty, and design SDI, wich is in fact, space weaponry. Both ground based and satalite. Because he knew, it WOULD bankrupt the soviet machine, wich was teetering already.
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Well we can put that to rest.... In yesterday's news: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/world ... l?ref=asia
U.N. Weighs a Ban on Weapons in Space, but U.S. Still Objects

GENEVA — The Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, on Tuesday presented a Russian-Chinese draft treaty banning weapons in space to the United Nations Conference on Disarmament, an idea that was quickly rejected by the United States.

Russia and China have pushed for years for a treaty to prevent an arms race in space, a threat underlined by China last year after it shot down one of its own aging satellites.

Responding to previous American assertions that there is no arms race in space and therefore no need for a treaty, Mr. Lavrov instead submitted a draft on “prevention of the placement of weapons in outer space, the threat or use of force against outer space objects.”

“Weapons deployment in space by one state will inevitably result in a chain reaction,” Mr. Lavrov warned. “And this in turn is fraught with a new spiral in the arms race, both in space and on the earth.”

The draft treaty aims to fill gaps in existing law, create conditions for further exploration and use of space, and strengthen general security and arms control, Mr. Lavrov said. It is time “to start serious practical work in this field,” he said.

The White House responded to the proposal on Tuesday afternoon, saying it opposed any treaty that sought “to prohibit or limit access to or use of space.”


Dana M. Perino, the White House press secretary, said such a treaty would also be impossible to enforce. “Any object orbiting or transiting through space can be a weapon if that object is intentionally placed onto a collision course with another space object,” she said in an e-mail message. “This makes treaty verification impossible.”

Instead, she said, the White House favored “discussions aimed at promoting transparency and confidence-building measures.”

The Russian-Chinese proposal was first circulated last year, but the presentation on Tuesday provided the 65-member conference with a basis to discuss a future treaty.

Mr. Lavrov was the latest in a series of dignitaries seeking to inject momentum into an organization that is the only forum for multilateral disarmament negotiations but which last delivered an arms-control measure — on chemical weapons — in 1997.

The United Nations secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, opened the current session last month by reminding the conference that its successes were “distant memories” and that “we need progress.”

Last week, Britain’s defense secretary, Des Browne, called for a meeting of the five signatories to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty to discuss verifying nuclear disarmament. Thomas P. D’Agostino, administrator of the United States National Nuclear Security Administration, also attended last week, reviewing American progress in dismantling nuclear weapons.

“The fact that these governments are sending very high-level people to the conference means they want to get things going,” said Patrick McCarthy, coordinator of the Geneva Forum, a tripartite body that includes the United Nations Institute for Disarmament Research.

“We’re at a rather decisive point where we either move onto substantive negotiations or back to more years of fruitless discussion,” Mr. McCarthy said.
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Aabidano wrote:
Noysyrump wrote:In 1970 or so, before Reagan broke that 'treaty' with the starwars plan.
I thought the "starwars" weapons were all terrestrially based weapons? The starwars name was just a popular tag for the technology. Reagan didn't have an impact nationally until after 1981...

I'm pretty sure that while we and other nations have the capability to deploy space based weapons it hasn't happened on any meaningful scale. Way too easy to get caught, and no way to hide or protect them once they're there.

What Regan could have broken was the MAD basis of cold war peace. The existence of such weapons wasn't his point anyway, bankrupting the Soviet Union was.
The SDI continued to be changed over time, and remained land-based despite Reagan's initial plans to utilize space and ground based weapons. The way I always understood his intention was that these would be used to "shoot down" ICBMs, rather than being developed to launch them. The idea of including space based weapons is what led to the "Star Wars" moniker. The current proposed missile defense shield is part of what the original planning for the SDI program included (not the specific tech of course).

I believe this is the treaty I was thinking of.

My favorite memories of SDI/Star Wars growing up was in films like Spies Like Us (couldn't find a link of the scene with the lasers being bounced off of the drive-in theater screens into space.
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That's the one I was thinking of as well Boog.

Looks like it's still in force, we probably have the capability to break it. We don't appear to have done so, yet.

Getting the land based stuff to work was much harder than the politicians expected it to be. And about as hard as the scientists told them it would be at the outset, from what I've read anyway.
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Looks like that treaty stops the placement of space nukes that point OUT too.

What the hell is mankind gonna do to stop the giant space goat?
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Wow here's a wise idea: lets put bombs in space hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Weaponising space is so unbelievably stupid as to not warrant consideration by anything other than a yoghurt.

Not because it wouldn't be a great thing to have, but because the countermeasure is a) trivial to implement, b) completely closes space forever. That being, you launch a (series of) rocket(s) full of sand and detonate them in orbit.
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Zaelath wrote:you launch a (series of) rocket(s) full of sand and detonate them in orbit.
Yeah, that. There's already enough garbage floating around up there that they're tracking. Start getting bits and pieces of satellites everywhere and it'll get harder and harder to get through it all safely.
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Zaelath wrote:That being, you launch a (series of) rocket(s) full of sand and detonate them in orbit.
This is known to above top secret people as Operation Sandy Vagina.
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[tinfoil hat]Maybe the "recon satellite" they want to shoot down actually is a failed weapon system and they want to destroy the evidence![/tinfoil hat]
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So it's a giant space douche then.

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So, we're saying we're not doing this to try out our shiny new toys. No, we're simpy going to shoot down a dangerous object in the sky.

Here's my solution. It promotes unity and save the US a couple hundred million.

Ask China or Russia to do us a favor and shoot it down for us. Problem solved. You know they would love to do it.
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Fairweather Pure wrote:Here's my solution. It promotes unity and save the US a couple hundred million.

Ask China or Russia to do us a favor and shoot it down for us. Problem solved. You know they would love to do it.
That's a great idea. China would appreciate it, I think.
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Aabidano wrote:So it's a giant space douche then.

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Quite the opposite... :)
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Our satellite destruction went much better than Chinas.
In January 2007, China used a land-based missile to destroy a 2,200-pound satellite that was orbiting 528 miles above the Earth. The impact left more than 100,000 pieces of debris orbiting the planet, NASA estimated -- 2,600 of them more than 4 inches across. The U.S. agency called the breakup of the Fengyun-C satellite the worst in history.
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Yeah, but we still should have asked China because it might make them like us and not want to hurt us evil, awful Americans.
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Their satellite probably didn't have a self-destruct button like ours did if we missed.

Also, the OMG POISON FUEL angle is so full of crap. Hydrazine isn't really all that bad as fuels go, as it either spontaneously burns to make nitrogen and water fairly quickly in air, or reacts with water to make ammonium hydroxide. This is the most toxic aspect of it, actually... Superpowered windex baby.
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