LSU!

[Asheran Mojomaster]

Was a good game.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Aye. LSU pretty much pwned them. The score makes it look a little closer than it actually was. The game was over at half-time.

[masteen]

Best part of the game were the shots of the insane Tiger fans. Sneaux White is my personal fave.

[Drolgin Steingrinder]

*hums*
...college men from LSU went in dumb come out dumb too...

[Winnow]

ASU's class now is ranked 15th nationally (third Pac-10) by Scout.com and 19th nationally (third) by Rivals.com.

Not great but the recruiting process is still ongoing for next year!

I wonder how ASU performed this year compared to OhioSU an Michigan when recruiting class "talent" is taken into consideration.

[Boogahz]

ASU's class now is ranked 15th nationally (third Pac-10) by Scout.com and 19th nationally (third) by Rivals.com.

Not great but the recruiting process is still ongoing for next year!

I wonder how ASU performed this year compared to OhioSU an Michigan when recruiting class "talent" is taken into consideration.

It was pretty easy to locate by going to Scout.com for 2008:

1) Notre Dame
2) Alabama
3) Georgia
4) LSU
5) Texas A&M
6) Miami (FL)
7) Texas
8) Washington
9) Ohio State
10) UCLA
11) Florida State
12) Michigan
13) Illinois
14) Pittsburgh
15) Oklahoma
16) USC
17) Arizona State
18) Florida
19) Virginia Tech
20) Boston College
21) Clemson
22) Nebraska
23) Auburn
24) Penn State
25) Arkansas

[Winnow]

It was pretty easy to locate by going to Scout.com for 2008:

Can't judge this year's outcome on next year's draft! It would be the past few seasons of drafts and how they ranked.

[Sueven]

Winnow's kind of right on this one. In '04, '05, and '06 (this year's seniors, juniors, and sophomores), Ohio State was 11-7-13, and Michigan was 5-2-9. Arizona State was 24-unranked-unranked.

That said, Ohio State and Michigan were better than Arizona State. It's probably true that Arizona State's performance relative to their recruiting ranking is more impressive than Michigans, at least, but if your selling point is "our program did better relative to some third parties subjective recruiting rankings than did a team which was considered one of the biggest disappointments in the country," you've got a long way to go.

[Winnow]

Considering the recruiting talent, ASU had an excellent season this year reaching as high as 4th in the nation.


Wow ...Michigan ranked 5th, 2nd and 9th the past three years and lost to App State? All that talent yet poor performance points to that crappy legacy coach being there too long. At least OhioSU managed to finish the season ranked above ASU's unranked recruiting classes from the past few years.

[Zamtuk]

yeah, but you didn't have an excellent season, you lost to every decent team you played.

[Winnow]

yeah, but you didn't have an excellent season, you lost to every decent team you played.

You lost to Illinois (lol) and LSU so I'm not sure what you're talking about as you only beat some overrated BIg Ten schools.

[Sueven]

Wisconsin and Penn State are vastly better than any scrub teams ASU beat this year.

[Winnow]

No they aren't. How'd they fare in their bowl games? Wisconsin lost Tennesee and Penn State barely won vs Texas A&M.

So OhioSU beat a team that squeaked out a win in a bowl vs Texas A&M...wow, that really deserves a shot at the National Championship.

Quit sucking up to that shit conference. The team they lost to (Illinois) got the holy crap beat out of them by USC. It's hard to guage how bad OhioSU actually is because Illinois was so completely horrible vs USC yet beat OhioSU.

[Spang]

ArizonaSU is the greatest college football team on the planet! No other college football team can ever compare! There may have been some #1 teams in the history of NCAA football that wasn't ArizonaSU, but they weren't as good, and probably had an easier schedule.

[Winnow]

ArizonaSU is the greatest college football team on the planet! No other college football team can ever compare! There may have been some #1 teams in the history of NCAA football that wasn't ArizonaSU, but they weren't as good, and probably had an easier schedule.

Finally! Some respect!

[Zamtuk]

Yep, it is so hard to gauge how good we were. I often said we were in a rebuilding phase and look what we did...

Let's play it your way though.

We beat Michigan who: a) lost to App State (to appease you) b) beat Florida c) beat Notre Dame who beat Stanford who beat USC who beat ASU.

We win.

Plus we are returning 18 out of 22 starters and have a considerably harder road next year than this year. I heard we tried to schedule ASU but were scoffed at for trying to get another cake schedule.

[Winnow]

Plus we are returning 18 out of 22 starters and have a considerably harder road next year than this year. I heard we tried to schedule ASU but were scoffed at for trying to get another cake schedule.

Yeah, like Nebraska, who was ranked #1, scheduled us for an easy win and got their asses shut out 19-0. OhioSU doesn't want any part of the Sundevils! At least the Buckeyes can rationalize their loss to USC as just getting stomped by a perennially better team. Hell, OhioSU could be ranked #1, get blown out by USC, and still be #1 the next week as pampered as the Big Ten is in the polls.

[Tyek]

Plus we are returning 18 out of 22 starters and have a considerably harder road next year than this year. I heard we tried to schedule ASU but were scoffed at for trying to get another cake schedule.

Zamtuk, have you looked at your schedule next year? You have USC and a bunch of easy wins, how is that considerably harder? Michigan will be worse next year losing Long, Hart and Henne, and your playing them at home? Youngstown State? Ohio? Is Troy a big step up?

Even if you get blown out by USC, it will be early in the season and with the rest of your schedule I would be surprised if you did not have a great shot at a third title game. If you win the USC game I would all but guarantee a free pass to the title game.

The only thing working against you is two straight lackluster performances in the Championship game, so you may face some backlash.

2008 schedule
Sat 08/30/2008 Youngstown State Columbus, Ohio TBA

Sat 09/06/2008 Ohio Columbus, Ohio TBA

Sat 09/13/2008 USC Los Angeles, Calif. TBA

Sat 09/20/2008 Troy University Columbus, Ohio TBA

Sat 09/27/2008 Minnesota Columbus, Ohio TBA

Sat 10/04/2008 Wisconsin Madison, Wis. TBA

Sat 10/11/2008 Purdue Columbus, Ohio TBA

Sat 10/18/2008 Michigan State East Lansing, Mich. TBA

Sat 10/25/2008 Penn State Columbus, Ohio TBA

Sat 11/01/2008 Bye
Sat 11/08/2008 Northwestern Evanston, Ill. TBA

Sat 11/15/2008 Illinois Champaign, Ill. TBA

Sat 11/22/2008 Michigan Columbus, Ohio TBA

[Winnow]

Youngstown State, Ohio Columbus, Troy University Columbus, Ohio

Are you kidding me? What a cream puff schedule and then you head into the 6th worst conference in the NCAA to finish your schedule. You make a big deal about playing USC the next two years...try playing in the Pac 10 and play them every year.

ASU has one blow off game, at most two, compared to three for OhioSU and then we'll have some ranked teams in the Pac 10 to play.

OhioSu will cry some fake tears like Hillary after being USC's bitch, beat Wisconsin or Penn State, and be right back in the championship game.

Georgia's (finished ahead of OhioSU at #2 in the nation) a tougher opponent than OhioSU. ASU plays them AND USC.

Sat. Aug. 30 NAU 7:00 p.m.
Sat. Sept. 6 STANFORD* 7:00 p.m.
Sat. Sept. 13 UNLV 7:00 p.m.
Sat. Sept. 20 GEORGIA
Sat. Sept. 27 BYE
Sat. Oct. 4 at Cal*
Sat. Oct. 11 at USC*
Sat. Oct. 18 BYE
Sat. Oct. 25 OREGON*
Sat. Nov. 1 at Oregon State*
Sat. Nov. 8 at Washington*
Sat. Nov. 15 WASHINGTON STATE*
Sat. Nov. 22 BYE BYE BYE
Fri. Nov. 28 UCLA* 7:30 p.m. ESPN2
Sat. Dec. 6 at Arizona* 6 p.m. ESPN or ESPN2

[Ashur]

Tyek, I disagree somewhat with your view.

Based upon our last two BCS Title game performances. I think it would take an act of God to get the Buckeyes into a third one in a row unless they just absolutely dominated in every single game including USC. While that's always possible, I think it improbable, although Zamtuk is right and we do have a lot of the talent skipping the draft for another year (not that it did Michigan any good this past season).

The folks who vote in the polls have probably already promised themselves that the Bucks wouldn't get a third shot in a row. If they added a +1 this next season, they would probably be more forgiving on the understanding that it would be a good "weedout" of any title pretenders.

I'll be happy if we beat Michigan, as I felt when we entered this season.

[Tyek]

I agree Ashur. I did say you will probably face some backlash. Getting into this years game may have actually hurt your chances with a better team coming back next year.

[Zamtuk]

heh, i wish i was joking, as i couldn't believe it, but we are predicted already to go preseason number one....

[Tyek]

I have seen USC, Georgia and Florida listed in different sites as preseason number 1. I have yet to see OSU, but as I said, win the USC game and you have a pretty clear path back, so I would not be surprised if someone doesn't think the same thing and pick you #1. Only backlash would keep you out.

You probably will be better this year and your schedule looks pretty favorable.

[Winnow]

I have seen USC, Georgia and Florida listed in different sites as preseason number 1. I have yet to see OSU, but as I said, win the USC game and you have a pretty clear path back, so I would not be surprised if someone doesn't think the same thing and pick you #1. Only backlash would keep you out.

You probably will be better this year and your schedule looks pretty favorable.

Great. So ASU potentially plays two #1 teams next year in Georgia and USC, along with a much tougher conference, while OhioSU skates by again. #1 isn't good enough for OhioSU. They should be ranked #0.

I can already tell you what will happen next year. OhioSU gets the unholy crap beat out of them by USC. The Buckeyes then go on to beat the rest of the teams on their schedule using their glee club as replacements while managing to keep their regular players out of prison and healthy. USC loses a game to an actual quality football team in the Pac 10. OhioSU goes on to get stomped again in the National Championship game after not deserving to be there.

The only drama left in college football is whether USC can make it through their Pac 10 schedule in order to be that year's National Champion.

[Sueven]

You do realize that USC lost the last time they played for the championship, no?

[Winnow]

You do realize that USC lost the last time they played for the championship, no?

Not to a Big Ten school!

Texas and Texas A&M were rumored to be joining the Pac 10 back when all the conferences were scrambling to expand. The Pac 10 decided to stay that way and not go gayish like the Big Ten (11) or huge SEC. The mere fact that they were being considered for an expanded Pac 10 makes them honorary members and thus, it's OK that Texas beat USC.

And so what? Their bad year (not counting last year's in-conference loss which cost them a National Title) was losing in the last seconds of a National Title game after having won a few? They don't get blown out in important bowl games. Even ASU only lost in the last minute of the Rose Bowl to OhioSU. (ASU beat Michigan though!)

[Zamtuk]

while your past 2 posts have been chocked full of bait, i will resign to just calling you uneducated and just plain stupid.

[Winnow]

while your past 2 posts have been chocked full of bait, i will resign to just calling you uneducated and just plain stupid.

That's rich coming from an OhioSU student!

[Zamtuk]

lol, yeah.

I'm guessing you went to ASU, but something tells me you didn't. If you went to another university, please feel free to refute this, but take a look at the rankings.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandrevie ... _brief.php

osu - 57th in the county, 18th in public schools (our b-school ranks considerably higher in both, which i'm in)

asu - dead last in both...

my previous statement stands.

[Winnow]

ASU has an abnormally high number of students from the Midwest which brings down the averages.

[Sueven]

Bahahahahaha

I have to say, the fact that Arizona State is DEAD LAST on that list makes me laugh. I know that the whole list consists of pretty good schools, so being last isn't shameful or anything, but still... there's something hilarious about seeing the name allllll the way on the bottom there.

[Asheran Mojomaster]

lol, yeah.

I'm guessing you went to ASU, but something tells me you didn't. If you went to another university, please feel free to refute this, but take a look at the rankings.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandrevie ... _brief.php

osu - 57th in the county, 18th in public schools (our b-school ranks considerably higher in both, which i'm in)

asu - dead last in both...

my previous statement stands.

Ouch, Auburn is at 96th in the country. At least I'm in Engineering (rated pretty highly) and my fiancee is in Architecture. I don't know how it is rated so low though. We have the best Architecture in the southeast, 3rd in country(or 2nd according to some sources) and some of our Agriculture degrees are in the top 5 (Department of Fisheries is #1 in nation, but who cares about fish).

[Winnow]

(Department of Fisheries is #1 in nation, but who cares about fish).

Canelek!

[Asheran Mojomaster]

I seriously have to call into question the rankings on that list. It has Alabama ranked higher than Auburn...a large number of people that go to Alabama only go there because they didn't get accepted into Auburn. And the job placement is either not available or horrible for Bama.

Within six months of graduation:N/A
Within one year of graduation:63%
Within two years of graduation:N/A

For Auburn that is 85%, 90%, and 95%.

[Zamtuk]

These are the rankings that I have always seen since high school. Looking at the FAQ's got me this:

How U.S. News ranks colleges

In brief, how does U.S. News rank colleges?

To rank colleges, U.S. News first places each school into categories based on mission (research university or liberal arts college) and, for universities offering a range of master's programs and colleges focusing on undergraduate education without a particular emphasis on the liberal arts, by location (North, South, Midwest, and West). Universities where there is a focus on research and that offer several doctoral programs are ranked separately from liberal arts colleges, and master's universities and baccalaureate colleges are compared against other schools in the same group and region. Second, we gather data from and about each school in 15 areas related to academic excellence. Each indicator is assigned a weight (expressed as a percentage) based on our judgments about which measures of quality matter most. Third, the colleges are ranked based on their composite weighted score. We publish the numeric rank of roughly the top half of schools in each of the 10 categories; the remaining schools are placed into the third and fourth tiers, listed alphabetically, based on their overall score in their category.

[Sueven]

We have the best Architecture in the southeast, 3rd in country(or 2nd according to some sources)

Just a note on this: Architecture programs are notoriously difficult to rank, due to incredible subjectivity in qualitative evaluations of architecture and a lack of indicators to measure educational outcomes. However, that said, I don't think it's fair to call Auburn definitively a top architecture school. In my experience, the top schools for architecture are thought to be Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT. Following that, there are all sorts of arguments for all sorts of schools based on what you value in an architecture program (5 years v. 4+2, classical v. progressive, etc), with arguments being made for schools as diverse as Notre Dame, RISD, WUSTL, etc etc etc. I'm sure that Auburn is in here as a school which one could argue for, but it's included in a huge group of probably 20-40 schools that can all make equally legitimate arguments.

It's much easier to rank professional schools in programs like law, business, or medicine, where standardized test scores and GPA are very important for admission, and where there is a strong professional hierarchy that allows for good comparative analysis regarding placement. And even there it's a challenge.