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Boy are these folks sneaky. Fight for illegals to get drivers licenses so you have more voters. Only reason it was tabled was because Clinton didn't like having to answer questions about it on National TV in her debates.
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Wednesday came out against granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, after weeks of pressure in the presidential race to take a position on a now-failed ID plan from her home state governor.

Clinton has faced criticism from candidates in both parties for her noncommittal answers on New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's attempt to allow illegal immigrants in his state to receive driver's licenses. Spitzer abandoned the effort Wednesday.

"I support Governor Spitzer's decision today to withdraw his proposal," Clinton said in a statement. "As president, I will not support driver's licenses for undocumented people and will press for comprehensive immigration reform that deals with all of the issues around illegal immigration including border security and fixing our broken system."

Clinton stumbled when asked about the issue during a Democratic debate two weeks ago, and her new position comes the day before another debate where opponents are expected to raise the issue again.

Rival campaigns made clear they were not letting go of the issue.

"When it takes two weeks and six different positions to answer one question on immigration, it's easier to understand why the Clinton campaign would rather plant their questions than answer them," said Barack Obama spokesman Bill Burton, referring to the Clinton campaign's admission that aides had staged a question for her at an Iowa event.

Colleen Flanagan, a spokesman for Chris Dodd, called Clinton's position "flip-flopping cubed. She was for it before she was against it, before she was for it, before she was against it."

Spitzer met with New York lawmakers in Washington on Wednesday, and conceded that there was too much public opposition to his plan. Clinton did not attend the meeting.

"It does not take a stethoscope to hear the pulse of New Yorkers on this topic," he said.

The Democratic governor introduced the plan two months ago with the goal of increased security, safer roads and an opportunity to bring immigrants "out of the shadows." Opponents charged the scheme would make it easier for would-be terrorists to get identification, and make the country less safe.

The decision is another example of the roadblocks high-profile immigration reforms have faced this year. Less than five months ago, Congress failed to pass legislation that would legalize as many as 12 million unlawful immigrants and fortify the border with Mexico.

"The federal government has lost control of its borders... and now has no solution to deal with it," Spitzer said.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff called Spitzer's reversal on the license issue "a good development" and said immigration is a federal issue for which his department has to "ramp up enforcement."

"What I want to make sure is that states aren't working at cross purposes with us and enabling the kind of conduct we're enforcing against," Chertoff told The Associated Press by telephone from London.

Russert: Thank you, Brian.

Senator Clinton, Governor of New York Eliot Spitzer has proposed giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. He told the Nashua, New Hampshire, Editorial Board it makes a lot of sense.

Why does it make a lot of sense to give an illegal immigrant a driver's license?

Clinton: Well, what Governor Spitzer is trying to do is fill the vacuum left by the failure of this administration to bring about comprehensive immigration reform. We know in New York we have several million at any one time who are in New York illegally. They are undocumented workers. They are driving on our roads. The possibility of them having an accident that harms themselves or others is just a matter of the odds. It's probability.

So what Governor Spitzer is trying to do is to fill the vacuum. I believe we need to get back to comprehensive immigration reform because no state, no matter how well intentioned, can fill this gap. There needs to be federal action on immigration reform.

Russert: Does anyone here believe an illegal immigrant should not have a driver's license?

(Unknown): Believe what?

Russert: An illegal immigrant should not have a driver's license.

Dodd: This is a privilege. And, look, I'm as forthright and progressive on immigration policy as anyone here. But we're dealing with a serious problem here, we need to have people come forward. The idea that we're going to extend this privilege here of a driver's license I think is troublesome, and I think the American people are reacting to it.

We need to deal with security on our borders. We need to deal with the attraction that draws people here. We need to deal fairly with those who are here.

But this is a privilege. Talk about health care, I have a different opinion. That affects the public health of all of us.

But a license is a privilege, and that ought not to be extended, in my view.

Clinton: Well, I just want to add, I did not say that it should be done, but I certainly recognize why Governor Spitzer is trying to do...


(Unknown): Wait a minute...

Clinton: And we have failed. We have failed.

Dodd: No, no, no. You said -- you said yes...

Clinton: No.

Dodd: ... you thought it made sense to do it.

Clinton: No, I didn't, Chris. But the point is, what are we going to do with all these illegal immigrants who are driving...

Dodd: That's a legitimate issue. But driver's license goes too far, in my view.

Clinton: Well, you may say that, but what is the identification?

If somebody runs into you today who is an undocumented worker...

Dodd: There's ways of dealing with that.

Clinton: Well...

Dodd: This is a privilege, not a right.

Clinton: Well, what Governor Spitzer has agreed to do is to have three different licenses, one that provides identification for actually going onto airplanes and other kinds of security issues, another which is another ordinary driver's license, and then a special card that identifies the people who would be on the road, so...

Dodd: That's a bureaucratic nightmare.

Clinton: ... it's not the full privilege.

Russert: Senator Clinton, I just want to make sure of what I heard. Do you, the New York senator, Hillary Clinton, support the New York governor's plan to give illegal immigrants a driver's license?

You told the New Hampshire paper that it made a lot of sense. Do you support his plan?

Clinton: You know, Tim, this is where everybody plays "gotcha." It makes a lot of sense. What is the governor supposed to do? He is dealing with a serious problems. We have failed. And George Bush has failed. Do I think this is the best thing for any governor to do? No. But do I understand the sense of real desperation, trying to get a handle on this? Remember, in New York, we want to know who's in New York. We want people to come out of the shadows.

He's making an honest effort to do it. We should have passed immigration reform.

This alone is a fantastic example of her not having any true identity.
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The fear of Hillary winning is mobilising the VV right wing troops into action!
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Nick, do you honestly think Hillary is a good choice? I know Bush sucks, but I am not exactly excited about a Bush Clinton Bush Clinton White House run. She is to me the personification of a career politician.
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not quite... i think the fear (and the shock and horror) of hillary winning is motivating news against it.
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Since when does having a driver's license equate to having more voters? At least in Michigan, getting a Driver's License and registering to vote are two entirely different things. Not to mention that the Democrats don't need any help in New York, or haven't in a while anyway.

As far as her "quad-flopping" on this or whatever it said, that seems a bit of a stretch. She explained what Governor Spitzer was trying to do (fill a vacuum left by failures of current administration) and that she believed that no state can fill that vacuum (read: she's not for Spitzer's plan) and that she thinks it should be a federal matter (read: not for the governor of new york, needs to be done by the US gov't). Then Dodd talks, and Clinton reiterates that she understands what Spitzer is trying to do (even though she never said she agreed with it) and that "we have failed" (read: the US gov't attempts at comprehensive immigration reform) and then people start trying to put words in her mouth saying that she had just changed her mind, when she hadn't.

If there are other well-known articles on this that I am unaware of, outside of this thread, I can't speak for them. But nowhere on this page does she change her opinion. They asked her a question about a state issue that really has no bearing on a Presidential race, and she answered it from a federal perspective, as she should.

I'm not a supporter of Hillary by any stretch of the imagination, but that's a pretty weak attempt to vilify her.
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Sylvus wrote:Since when does having a driver's license equate to having more voters? At least in Michigan, getting a Driver's License and registering to vote are two entirely different things. Not to mention that the Democrats don't need any help in New York, or haven't in a while anyway.
Maybe the motor voter laws passed in most states? However, I had to give my social security number to register to vote when I renewed my license, which an illegal alien would not be able to do.
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In California, Illegal immigrants have tried numerous times to get a voting rights put on the bill. They feel that they live here and should have a say in the government.

I think the drivers license would let them vote. The arguement for giving licenses here was that they could force these immigrants to get car insurance, which is not true, of course. They also seemed to imply that by allowing them to get licenses they would drive better since they had to pass the drivers test. Finally, I think it lets them open bank accounts easier. Nowhere did it say they would be able to vote.
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Tyek wrote:In California, Illegal immigrants have tried numerous times to get a voting rights put on the bill. They feel that they live here and should have a say in the government.

I think the drivers license would let them vote. The arguement for giving licenses here was that they could force these immigrants to get car insurance, which is not true, of course. They also seemed to imply that by allowing them to get licenses they would drive better since they had to pass the drivers test. Finally, I think it lets them open bank accounts easier. Nowhere did it say they would be able to vote.
Why would they mention that? They're trying to get it in without you notcing their true motives. They play on your "feelings" and liberalism/socialism and make you think their really want to help people, when all they want is to create for voters for them.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Why would they mention that? They're trying to get it in without you notcing their true motives. They play on your "feelings" and liberalism/socialism and make you think their really want to help people, when all they want is to create for voters for them.
I'll ask again: what gives you that impression? At any point, in any article, has anyone besides you (or the person whose ideas you're espousing) mentioned anything about getting them to vote? If anything, I would think that people who are against illegal immigrants (like yourself; please correct me if unfairly painting you with that brush) would be for giving them driver's licenses as it provides a means for the government to track them to some degree.

Where is it possible to vote with only a driver's license? Is there a state that you don't have to register to vote, or one where registration is not an entirely different process than getting a license? Keep in mind that I am aware that you can register to vote at the same facility that you apply for a driver's license in many states, but that is not the same as being able to vote simply by possessing a driver's license.
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There are several places where it is possible to vote with only a license. The problem is that you cannot necessarilly register to vote with one. If you can figure out where your polling location is, there are many which will allow you to vote if you say that you cannot find your card while showing a license.
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I still think it's the height of arrogance to demand rights in a country you have entered illegally. (Sylvus, feel free to paint me against illegal immigration)

The socio-economic issues around this need addressed, certainly. But if I sneak across the Canadian border, the Canadians don't owe me anything but a kick back across to the US (and also maybe charge me with a crime for entering illegally). The same deal holds with Mexico to the US.

To hell with giving illegals Drivers Licenses.

But, yes, I totally agree with Sylvus on the actual subject of this thread. While I don't care for Hillary, this was no issue. She answered the question from her perspective. Immigration reform is sorely needed, but to imply it was broken by the Bush administration and worked dandy when her husband was in office isn't exactly true either.
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What would you prefer...

getting in an accident with an illegal immigrant who FLEES the scene leaving you with no chance of identifying them and getting stuck paying your full deductible...

or...

getting in an accident with an illegal immigrant who stops, trades identification, even insurance information. (drivers license and insurance should go together, since we need insurance to drive)
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Sylvus wrote:Where is it possible to vote with only a driver's license?
In FL if you've got a utility bill and state issued ID you can register to vote. Other states aren't much different. In essence it's buying votes with a DL, though I'd hope it doesn't work out that way in practice. Considering it's the only photo ID available to most people it's an extra stupid idea.

All the latinos I know are very conservative, don't see Hillary (or Barrack) getting far with them. They may dislike the Republicans but they despise the Democrats from what I can see.

The Dems are still up in arms here because you need to have evidence of who you are to vote.

People are lionizing her because she in essence refused to answer the direct question for weeks.

Fash posted at the same time as me:
Fash wrote:since we need insurance to drive)
hahahahaha, the percentage of uninsured drivers here is supposed to be 30-40%, that's just the legal drivers.
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A Drivers License and Insurance do not go together by default. In some states, a license is not even required to get insurance. Do you really expect an illegal immigrant to stick around to trade info just because they have a license and insurance?
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Do you really believe illegals will be buying auto insurance, sticking around for the cops to arrive, and filing an accident report to even change that scenario Fash?
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A few things on this.

First of all, Hillary is a weasel. Sorry but you either support the measure or you oppose it. During that debate, she went out of her way to avoid taking a stance on the issue. She has done this numerous times. All politicians do this to some extent, but she takes dodging questions and NOT taking certifiable stances on major issues to the next level. I fucking hate her, but she'll get my vote if she's the democratic nominee, simply because a weasel is better than a rat. She is still far better than all the republican candidates including Ron Paul.

Second, I know of no state where you can vote without registering to vote. I never attempted to vote before I was a citizen and I wouldn't dare take the chance of doing so and getting caught. You have to be a citizen to vote, they don't even let permanent residents vote. In fact, I'm registering to vote in Florida in the next couple of weeks so I can vote for Barack in the primary on Jan. 29. :)

Finally, having been a legal immigrant, I take serious umbrage with issuing illegal immigrants driver's licenses. It is such a slap in the face to all of those who endure the legal channels of immigration (our case lasted 12 fucking years). This is one issue that I disagree with Obama about. They will drive with or without licenses and with or without insurance anyway. What sickens me the most about this issue is that the reason these people come here en masse is because corporate America employs them, and then lobbies the government to make sure they can continue to do so. I'm not saying kick them out, the ones that are here now anyway. I'm saying legalize them then reform the system. But until such time, they don't deserve shit, including driver's licenses.
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Ashur wrote: Do you really believe illegals will be buying auto insurance, sticking around for the cops to arrive, and filing an accident report to even change that scenario Fash?
If they have no fear of arrest/deportation, why wouldn't they?... If they want to be like everyone else, they have to start acting like it. Why else would we give them driver's licenses? (votes? lol)
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Fash wrote: Why else would we give them driver's licenses? (votes? lol)
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Fash wrote:
Ashur wrote: Do you really believe illegals will be buying auto insurance, sticking around for the cops to arrive, and filing an accident report to even change that scenario Fash?
If they have no fear of arrest/deportation, why wouldn't they?... If they want to be like everyone else, they have to start acting like it. Why else would we give them driver's licenses? (votes? lol)
Having a license will prevent them from being deported?
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Fash wrote:
Ashur wrote: Do you really believe illegals will be buying auto insurance, sticking around for the cops to arrive, and filing an accident report to even change that scenario Fash?
If they have no fear of arrest/deportation, why wouldn't they?... If they want to be like everyone else, they have to start acting like it. Why else would we give them driver's licenses? (votes? lol)
Having a license will prevent them from being deported?
Yeah. If not, that would be quite the trick in line at the DMV, no? "Hi I'm here to get a drivers license" "GRAB HER!"

If they've done something wrong, no, it's not protection for deportation... but if a state so decides to give out licenses, i think it's also declaring ignorance to deportation.

Otherwise, you really have to inquire as to the motives of giving out licenses.
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Tyek wrote:Nick, do you honestly think Hillary is a good choice? I know Bush sucks, but I am not exactly excited about a Bush Clinton Bush Clinton White House run. She is to me the personification of a career politician.
As I've said before, of course Hilldog isn't a good choice. She's as much of a fuckhead as any of the other ones. Unfortunately the reality is that any of the candidates who may be in some way actually worth voting for in the 2008 US election stand absolutely no chance of winning their own party's nomination, let alone a national election.

Voting for Hilldog is almost as bad as voting for Guiliani (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ7-3M-YrdA). They are both ridiculous choices, yet I have zero faith in the American people to surprise me in their voting style.

I was mainly pointing out the general lack of criticisms by people like Fash and Midnyte of Guiliani, or any of the Republican candidates, who are at least equally, or frankly a billion times more fucked up in their policy ideas, general attitude, and attachment to reality (especially this foreign policy nonsense that ends up attempting to justify places like Guantanamo bay because Keifer Sutherland does it on tv durrrrrrrrrr).

The only reason I would choose the Hilldog over Guiliani is to punish the Republican party for what they've done over the last 8 years, since America is too full of pussies to actually bring criminal charges against their leaders, but then again until any of the leading nominees start sorting their retarded fucking attitudes out about the "Global war on terror hurf durf" then frankly, they can all, in the most polite terms imaginable, suck my balls.
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Guiliani is a non-factor to me personally. I don't want to see him in the office at all. What has he done other than stand in front of cameras?
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Nick wrote:Hilldog over Guiliani
Given that choice there's a possibility I'd vote for Clinton. More likely I'd write someone in, maybe Capt Crunch.
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Nick wrote: I was mainly pointing out the general lack of criticisms by people like Fash and Midnyte of Guiliani, or any of the Republican candidates, .

Everyone on these boards takes care of the for us. There is no need for us to focus in on that position, it is already filled by 80% of this board.
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As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani has returned accountability to City government and improved the quality of life for all New Yorkers. Under his leadership, overall crime is down 57%, murder has been reduced 65%, and New York City - once infamous around the world for its dangerous streets - has been recognized by the F.B.I. as the safest large city in America for the past five years.

New York City's law enforcement strategies have become models for other cities around the world, particularly the CompStat program, which won the 1996 Innovations in Government Award from the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University. CompStat allows police to statistically monitor criminal activity on specific street corners as well as citywide, holding precinct commanders accountable for criminal activity in their neighborhoods. Because this data is updated constantly, it enables the police to become a proactive force in fighting crime, stopping crime trends before they become crime waves that negatively effect the quality of life for neighborhood residents.

When Mayor Giuliani took office, one out of every seven New Yorkers was on welfare. Mayor Giuliani has returned the work ethic to the center of City life by implementing the largest and most successful welfare-to-work initiative in the country, cutting welfare rolls in half while moving over 640,000 individuals from dependency on the government to the dignity of self-sufficiency. In addition, Giuliani has enacted a record of over $2.5 billion in tax reductions - including the commercial rent tax, personal income tax, the hotel occupancy tax, and the sales tax on clothing for purchases up to $110 dollars. In addition, hundreds of millions of dollars have been returned to the private sector as a result of the Mayor's aggressive campaign to root out organized crime's influence over the Fulton Fish Market, the private garbage hauling industry, and wholesale food markets throughout the City. These reforms, combined with the fiscal discipline which enabled the Mayor to turn an inherited $2.3 billion dollar budget deficit into a multi-billion dollar surplus, have led the City to an era of broad-based growth with a record 450,000 new private sector jobs created in the past seven years. As news of the City's resurgence has spread around the nation and the world, tourism has grown to record levels.

Mayor Giuliani is committed to nurturing and empowering New York City's children. By creating the Administration for Children's Services, New York City now has an accountable, proactive and effective protector for our City's most vulnerable children that is recognized as a national model. Moreover, New York City is working everyday to find loving families for children requiring adoption. The City has completed a record number of adoptions since 1996 - more than 20,000 - marking a dramatic 65% increase over the previous six-year period. Mayor Giuliani has also been a leader in getting health insurance to children through the innovative HealthStat initiative, which uses computer technology to coordinate a citywide effort to enroll children in existing health insurance programs. To date, 96,000 eligible children and families have been given access to health insurance through the HealthStat initiative. These improvements have increased hope and opportunity for all New York City's children and laid the foundation for our City to be even stronger in the 21st century.

To turn around the nation's largest urban public education system, Giuliani has worked tirelessly to restore accountability and raise standards throughout the City's schools. Student-teacher ratios are at an all-time low, while the annual operating budget for New York City's public schools has increased from $8 billion to $12 billion. Bureaucratic roadblocks to meaningful reform such as social promotion and principal tenure have ended, while programs such as bilingual education and special education have been reformed for the first time in a quarter century. Under the Mayor's leadership, New York City has introduced innovative new instructional programs that improve reading skills, give all students access to computers, and restore arts education as a fundamental part of the school curriculum. In the past year, these successful education initiatives have been accompanied by the establishment of 300-book libraries in every classroom and weekend classes for science and English instruction. In October 2000, the Mayor launched the New York City Charter School Improvement Fund, the first fund ever offered by a city government to help charter schools with equipment and facilities costs. The fund is the most recent example of the Mayor's commitment to both providing quality educational alternatives to all City families, regardless of their income, and to spurring the New York City public schools to improve through competition.

Under Rudy Giuliani's leadership, New York City has become the best-known example of the resurgence of urban America. From his success at cleaning up Times Square and other public spaces around the City to closing the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island, Mayor Giuliani has worked tirelessly to pass New York to the next generation better and more beautiful than it was before he entered office.

New York has established itself as the City others look toward when they want to study the most innovative strategies for reducing crime, reforming welfare, encouraging economic growth, and improving the overall quality of life. In the past decade, New York City's population has reached a record 8 million residents, confirming that New York is again a City on the rise, full of optimism and confidence that its best days are still ahead of it.


Rudolph Giuliani Biography
Former Mayor of New York City

Rudolph Giuliani Date of birth: May 28, 1944

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Rudolph William Giuliani was born in Brooklyn, New York. His father, Harold, had run afoul of the law as a young man, and after paying the consequences, worked hard to instill an unwavering respect for the law in his only child. To escape the influences of criminal acquaintances in the old neighborhood, Harold Giuliani moved the family from Brooklyn to the Long Island community of Garden City when his son was seven. Respect for the law and a sense of duty were reinforced by the extended family. Four of Rudolph Giuliani's uncles were policemen, and another was a much-decorated captain in the New York Fire Department.


Giuliani majored in political science and philosophy at Manhattan College, and graduated magna cum laude from New York University School of Law in 1968. After receiving his law degree, he served as clerk to Federal District Court Judge Lloyd F. McMahon, who encouraged him to join the U.S. Attorney's office. In 1970, Giuliani became an Assistant United States Attorney in the Southern District of New York. He was soon named Chief of the Narcotics Unit and promoted to the position of Executive U.S. Attorney. In 1973, at age 29, he was put in charge of the highly publicized police-corruption cases arising from the Knapp Commission report. In 1975, he was appointed Associate Deputy Attorney General. He returned to New York in 1976 and became a partner in the law firm of Patterson, Belknap, Webb & Tyler.

After practicing law for four years, Rudolph Giuliani was named Associate Attorney General in the new administration of President Ronald Reagan. As the third-highest-ranking member of the Department of Justice, he oversaw federal law enforcement agencies including the Bureau of Corrections, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the U.S. Marshal Service. In 1983 he was named U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. As U.S. Attorney, he earned a national reputation for prosecuting mob bosses, corrupt politicians and Wall Street inside traders with equal zeal. In six years, he obtained 4,152 convictions; he was widely regarded as the most effective prosecutor in the country.

After leaving the Justice Department, his thoughts turned toward the state of his native city and what role he might play in its regeneration. Long troubled by violent street crime, New York City had been further ravaged by the crack cocaine epidemic. The city was considered a case study in urban decay, and was thought by many to be beyond repair. As Giuliani considered running for Mayor, he was often told that, as a Republican, he could never win election in an overwhelmingly Democratic city. In 1989 he lost his first race for Mayor by the closest margin in New York City's history. As the city's condition continued to decline, Giuliani resolved to run again. In the election of 1993, the race was also close, but the outcome was reversed. Rudolph Giuliani was elected the 107th Mayor of New York City, the first Republican to hold the post in 20 years.


When Giuliani took office, more than a million New Yorkers were on welfare -- every seventh resident of the city. The new administration initiated the country's largest "workfare" program, and over the next eight years, 691,000 people moved from the welfare rolls to work and self-sufficiency.

The new Mayor adopted the controversial "Broken Windows" theory of crime prevention, in which the smaller signs of disorder -- such as graffiti and vandalism -- are suppressed, to alter the perception that a neighborhood is out of control. Computer mapping enabled the New York Police Department to identify precise locations with the highest incidence of violent crime and direct their resources accordingly. In only two years, serious crime had been reduced by more than one-third and murder by almost half.

Many attributed the drop in crime to the improved national economy and declining national crime rates, but crime in New York continued to decline during an economic downturn, even while it rose in the rest of the country. While a few cases of police misconduct or excessive force received intense publicity, actual police shootings declined by 40 percent during Giuliani's administration, and long overdue reforms reduced violence in the city jails by 95 percent. Over Giuliani's eight years in office, New York's crime rate fell by 57 percent, and the FBI rated New York as America's safest large city.

Drawing on his past accomplishments as a prosecutor, Giuliani also moved to eradicate the influence of organized crime from the city's commercial life. Hundreds of millions of dollars that had been routinely siphoned from the city's economy by racketeers were returned to the legitimate sector. Income and property values rose throughout the city, and whole neighborhoods were redeveloped. With the improvement of the city's economy, Giuliani was able to cut taxes while turning a $2.3 billion budget deficit into a multi-billion dollar surplus. After his first two closely-fought campaigns, Rudolph Giuliani was easily re-elected to a second term in 1997, carrying four of the city's five boroughs.


From the beginning of his administration, Mayor Giuliani made a high priority of emergency preparedness, taking to heart the lessons of the first bombing of the World Trade Center in the year before he took office. He created an Office of Emergency Management to coordinate the efforts of the Police and Fire Departments, and ran drills for a variety of possible disasters, including plane crashes, bombings and attacks with Sarin gas or anthrax.

Barred by term limits from serving a third time as mayor, Giuliani was expected to run for the United States Senate, but in the Spring of 2000 his marriage was ending in a highly public divorce, and he announced that he had been diagnosed with prostate cancer, the same disease that had killed his father. He withdrew from the Senate race and underwent months of radiation treatment. He recovered completely, and is now free of cancer, but in the autumn of 2000 it was assumed that Rudolph Giuliani's role in the life of the City was coming to an end. The primary election to choose his possible successors was scheduled for September 11, 2001.

That morning, on hearing that a plane had hit one of the Twin Towers, and that a large fire had broken out, the Mayor rushed to the scene, arriving just after another plane hit the second tower. He saw fellow New Yorkers jump to their deaths from the flaming towers and saw old friends from the Fire Department as they charged into the burning buildings, never to be seen again.

The Mayor took charge of the emergency efforts from a nearby building, but when the second tower collapsed, the building was engulfed in a wave of dust, ash and debris. The Mayor, his staff, members of the press and other occupants of the crumbling building were trapped. After finding the basement exit blocked, Giuliani led his crew through the storm of ash and smoke to a firehouse several blocks away, where a detective pried the door open and the group found momentary safety.


Giuliani established a new command post at the Police Academy, where he remained for the next three days. The Mayor of New York took to the airwaves immediately, reassuring a shaken nation and giving honest, straightforward information about the ongoing rescue effort. Although nearly 3,000 people died in the attack, as many as 20,000 civilians were rescued from the collapsing buildings. While some advisors urged the Mayor to keep the city's public places closed, Giuliani insisted that the New York's signature institutions -- Broadway theaters, the Stock Exchange and major league baseball -- re-open within days of the attack.

In the days and months following the terrorist attacks, the Mayor's commanding leadership earned him the admiration and respect of the international community and especially of the grief-stricken residents of New York City. In all, 23 police and 343 fire fighters lost their lives on September 11, and the Mayor made a point of attending as many of their funerals and memorial services as possible -- over 200 in the months that followed. Rudolph Giuliani left office at midnight, as 2001 turned to 2002. His last official act as Mayor was to set the giant ball rolling in Times Square to signal the start of the new year. Today, he is the President of Giuliani Partners, a New York-based consulting firm specializing in security, preparedness, and crisis-management. In the years to come, Rudolph Giuliani may seek public office again, but whatever the future brings, he will always be remembered as the greatest mayor in the long history of New York City.


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rofl. that's not a biased source at all there mid. He's such a hero and innovator. everyone should be like him.


For those of you that want an unbiased source for Giuliani's bio you can find it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani

But since truth is inherently liberal, Mid and Funk can get their "facts" here:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Rudy_Giuliani
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Finally, having been a legal immigrant, I take serious umbrage with issuing illegal immigrants driver's licenses. It is such a slap in the face to all of those who endure the legal channels of immigration (our case lasted 12 fucking years). This is one issue that I disagree with Obama about. They will drive with or without licenses and with or without insurance anyway. What sickens me the most about this issue is that the reason these people come here en masse is because corporate America employs them, and then lobbies the government to make sure they can continue to do so. I'm not saying kick them out, the ones that are here now anyway. I'm saying legalize them then reform the system. But until such time, they don't deserve shit, including driver's licenses.
Like you, my boss and most of my coworkers went through the tedious immigration process to become American citizens. I wish more people would appreciate the effort, and more importantly, the goal--to become part of something that has the potential to enhance one's life. Most Americans take so much for granted. On the outside, I can see how some may cheat to try and gain the benefits without the effort. However, that ends up not helping at all. I do not support granting DLs to illegals. Take the time and effort to acclimate and assimilate. This is an alright fucking country if people try not to constantly assfuck each other whilst unawares.
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