OS X Leopard Walk-through

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 19, 2007, 11:50 pm

Here a nice (long) video from Apple covering the new features of Leopard.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/guidedtour/large.html

The Time Machine feature is interesting as a data backup solution.

Not sure how long Cover Flow as a file finder would last before it stopped being cool.

"Spaces" seems like a pretty polished multi desktop manager

Email "notes" and templates look pretty cool also. Imail seems to handle web emails and multiple accounts pretty well.

iChat backdrops are kinda neat and the iTheater looks polished. You can use any picture or video as a backdrop.

I'd like to try this out. Has anyone had success with an OS X emulator solution?

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 20, 2007, 8:13 am

ya could run it in an emulator i think, but wait till the osx86 / hackint0sh image comes out which runs natively on pc..

noel · Post by **noel** » October 20, 2007, 4:41 pm

Winnow, you drop crazy jack on monitors all the time... just spring for a Mac Mini. The cheap one is like $600 and you'll actually like it once you get used to it anyway.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 20, 2007, 4:46 pm

Fash wrote:ya could run it in an emulator i think, but wait till the osx86 / hackint0sh image comes out which runs natively on pc..

Links!

What are the best sites to keep track of osx/86 / hackint0sh and what do you think the ETA is for it?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 20, 2007, 5:10 pm

noel wrote:Winnow, you drop crazy jack on monitors all the time... just spring for a Mac Mini. The cheap one is like $600 and you'll actually like it once you get used to it anyway.

I'd spend twice as much to avoid an Apple brand!

After watching at the Leopard video, I did look at the various Mac models available. What would a 600.00 Mac do for me? The price just "sounds" underpowered and you still need a monitor yes?

Can you use third party monitors on Macs? (and would those cheap Macs handle 1920x1200?) I don't want to buy an expensive 24" Mac monitor when there's a bazillion better 24" monitors out there for less.

Right now, my issue is Second Life crashing like mad. I don't play it much but I'd like for it to work when I do play it. I don't know if Vista is the problem but I can't seem to track down what the issue is...so I'm going to have a second OS installed. I'm thinking of Linux w/WIne so I can use windows apps, or trying native Linux with SL. I could also dual boot XP/Vista as an option.

While the PS3 I bought sits in a closet, I anticipate it being used for FFXIII. I don't know what I'd use d Mac for over a PC so would like to try out the OS before buying any hardware.

My laptop is getting a little weak. Its graphics card can't handle some of the HD formats very well so even though I like the beautiful 17" screen, I probably need to buy another Laptop. Apple has a chance in the laptop department because I use those mostly for multimedia and don't do any real work on them.

Edit:

According to this article, OSX runs faster on non Macs:

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commen ... 5/08/68501

so I wouldn't want to buy the over priced Mac hardware for lower performance results if that's the case. (same deal behind the Zen vs iPod argument. Apples UI might be better (debatable for searching, etc), but the hardware is more expensive and under performs cheaper non apple hardware) Dell 24 monitor blew away the much more expensive 24" Apple monitors for much much less. I'd have to check the latest models but have a feeling this would still be the case.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 20, 2007, 7:21 pm

Winnow wrote:Dell 24 monitor blew away the much more expensive 24" Apple monitors for much much less. I'd have to check the latest models but have a feeling this would still be the case.

It pretty much is. This 30" Dell goes for $1500 but it frequently goes on sale for around $1,250 or something. If I had some sort of coupon I'd get one. My price point for that is $1000 or so so soon as I can get one in that range I'll go for it. If anyone has any sekrit Dell coupon codes send them to me!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 20, 2007, 7:39 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Winnow wrote:Dell 24 monitor blew away the much more expensive 24" Apple monitors for much much less. I'd have to check the latest models but have a feeling this would still be the case.
It pretty much is. This 30" Dell goes for $1500 but it frequently goes on sale for around $1,250 or something. If I had some sort of coupon I'd get one. My price point for that is $1000 or so so soon as I can get one in that range I'll go for it. If anyone has any sekrit Dell coupon codes send them to me!

Does that 30" take both DVI ports or does an 8800 support 2560x1600 with a single DVI? I've considered 30" but was turned off when I saw it would take both my DVI posts (7800GT), which wouldn't be cool for my multi monitor setup.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 20, 2007, 7:58 pm

Uh. I don't know the answer to that question. Guess I should look at that as I'd want to use it in combination with my 24".

noel · Post by **noel** » October 20, 2007, 10:00 pm

No idea on max res, but you can use any keyboard, mouse, monitor with it. Having an Apple specific keyboard isn't necessary, but would be highly suggested. No idea about how a windows keyboard would work (though I know it does).

I agree with you on some facets of your post though. If you get a low powered machine, you'll be less likely to use and enjoy it than if you got a powerhouse rig. Just saying that if all you wanted to do was test out leopard, $600 isn't that much.

As far as what you'd do with it... It is a Unix box, so it'd make a good web/FTP server whatever. Obviously you don't need a Mac to do that, but if you're looking to justify costs, thinking of it in those terms might be a good thing.

Also... you made a comment about coverflow for file viewing. I personally can't see using it very often, but it's more like... one of the various ways you can view files in Windows. For example, the 'large icon view' in Windows annoys the shit out of me, but I have family that really likes it. Coverflow all the time is for weird people.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 20, 2007, 11:13 pm

I'm downloading kalyway 10.4.10 which is a Hackent0sh version of OSX.

People seem to be having a lot of success but I've already spotted some comments about jmicron controllers which cause nightmares for me using linux.

This isn't a Leopard release so I don't think I'll see any of the things that looked neat in the video abut if this installs, I'll be ready for a Leopard Hackent0sh version.

I freed up a 750MB drive for the install and disconnected (ejected out of my internal hotswap bays) the rest of my hard drives. I know linux really fucks any hard drive you have installed with grub crap even if not using the HD to install. (it just did earlier today with yet another failed Ubuntu 7.10 install attempt which was foiled by jmicron issues that the linux kernal hasn't fixed yet, or may never fix.

Will know pretty soon if this works.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 21, 2007, 12:02 am

cool... i just downloaded that same image today... i'm gonna blow away the mandriva 2008 install i have and see how this copy works... if it works with my wireless, i'll be in good shape. let's check back with our progress...

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 21, 2007, 12:44 am

jmicron is a fucking curse.

yet again, it is fucking up the install.

I'm going to have to buy a new MB in order to use linux or OSX, and that will require a shitload of work reinstalling windows.

god damn jmicron is a piece of shit controller.

Although, I popped in the OSX86 DVD in my Laptop and it didn't work either.

With the jmicron, the install progresses to:

"still waiting for the root device"

and then gets stuck. I tried the "IDE" mode setting but no luck.

I did some reading, and jsut like linux, boards with Intel 965 chipset and ICH8R southbridge won't work.

I hate motherboard shopping but it looks like that's what I'll have to do.

Edit: a possible solution is using an external USB DVD drive. I buy one just to avoid the full day blown if I go with a new motherboard.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 21, 2007, 1:01 am

I really really don't want to get an external USB DVD drive.

Is there a way to "burn" the OSX86 image to a USB Thumb drive? I'd much rather buy a thumb drive than a DVD drive as I'd get more use out of it.

Is there any burning software that would treat a USB drive as a DVD for burning purposes? (I'm about to go look around but figured I ask just in case someone had a quick answer)

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 21, 2007, 1:24 am

I'm using this guide to try and install OSX86 as a virtual machine in VMWare:

http://pcwizcomputer.com/software/vmwareosx86.htm

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 21, 2007, 2:44 am

No luck,

I got all the way to the install but had a fatal error when OSX tried to start for the first time:

That guide was for 10.4.8 and I was trying 10.4.10...and it was also for a legit copy of OSX and not hackentos0sh (which should be even easier to get running in VMWare) so back to the drawing board.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 21, 2007, 8:17 am

same situation here... ive had these copies install natively before but this one kept locking up in the disk utility when trying to format a partition and vmware has a stack fault on boot. im not giving up yet.. i want to get the partition right and try again native.

-posted from ipod, keke

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 21, 2007, 2:58 pm

Fash wrote:same situation here... ive had these copies install natively before but this one kept locking up in the disk utility when trying to format a partition and vmware has a stack fault on boot. im not giving up yet.. i want to get the partition right and try again native.

-posted from ipod, keke

From what I've read, peeps haven't had much luck with anything past 10.4.8 with vmware.

One last thing I can try is using a Pata to Sata converter for my DVD player. There's a long thread on the InsanleyMac Forums for my motherboard. Even after installing OSX with the Pata to Sata, I'd need to make some modifications to some config files on the HD for the OS to boot up.

Jmicron has wasted days of my life with linux and now OSX. I have three versions of OSX86. 10.4.8, 10.4.10 (Kalyway) and the Leopard 9a527 (Kalyway)

The Kalyway installs are pretty cool with some extra apps. I'll probably go with 10.4.10 if I can get it to install until a polished Leopard Kalyway final is released. Then again, I can't install jack shit, even in VMware atm. (I'm getting a 64bit/32/bit conflict. Does my OS (Vista) need to be 64bit in order to install OSX86 in VMware? If so, that's what's causing the problem as I can completely install 10.4.10 in VMware but can't boot with the 32/64 conflict.

Lots of good info here for OSX86/VMware issues:

http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showforum=104

and here for OSX86 full installs:

http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showforum=18

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 21, 2007, 10:39 pm

After 2 days of screwing around, I finally got OSX86 JaS 10.4.8 installed on one of my HDs.

The bulk of the time wasted was trying to get jmicron controller to recognize DVD and Hard Drives. I went to Fry's this afternoon intending to pickup a SATA DVD drive to avoid the PATA jmicron issues. While there, I found a Pata to Sata converter for 19.99. It was cheaper than buying a new DVD drive which were 59.00 (can get as cheap as 31.00 at Newegg) and the SATA drive available at Fry's had bad reviews on Newegg so I wanted to stick with my Pioneer that has burned me flawless stacks of 360 DL DVDs and everything else I've thrown at it.

After doing some tweaking in the bios, I was able to get 10.4.10 and Leopard 9a527 installers to boot up but I couldn't get them to recognize my hard drive no matter which controller I had it on. I burned JaS 10.4.8 and it recognized my hard drive. JaS 10.4.8 also has some configurations build in for video cards and some other hardware, etc so I was able to install NV40 (nvidia 6800/7800 (8800 maybe) support and the drivers for my on board Azalia audio that I normally don't use in windows (have better sound card).

10.4.8 boots up nicely. At the moment, I can't connect to the internet and have no sound but the guy who wrote the guide for my specific motherboard with the jmicron problem, also has instructions on fixing the sound and getting OXS to recognize the onboard ethernet on the DS3.

So, without sound or network, I played around with OSX 10.4.8 and I can at least say that it's better than linux for usability. Linux (any distribution) is just plain horrible for anyone other than...a unix nerd or ..I really don't know who would use it as an end user. Now that I have the DVD connected to SATA, I can install linux distributions with much less effort than I had to go through in the past so I'll probably give a few of the more popular distributions a look again for "fun" this time instead of being miserable with the jmicron crap.

Right now, I just pop hard drives in and out while rebooting to load Vista or OSX. The hot swap internal quad bay I installed awhile back works beautifully for this. No messing around inside the PC and so easy to protect my real (useful) OS Vista when playing around with the other options. With OSX already installed, I don't even have to pop them in and out, I just go into the bios on a reboot and change the hard drive boot order preference to select the desired OS, avoiding boot loader nightmares.

Looking forward to a hacked Leopard to tryout soon.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 22, 2007, 3:28 am

I'm reading on the hacker forums that 10.5 is already "hacked" out of the box:

The Kernel supports AMD and has sse3 emulation built in. Also has dsmos decryption built in.

According to them, anyone with a PC can install 10.5 Leopard.

I wonder if Apple is finally opening up the Mac OS to everyone as they should have done a long time ago. What they would need to do is make it easy to install along side an existing XP or Vista installed OS as a dual boot.

Unless they fix various things like jmicron issues, they'll have lots of people, like me, that couldn't install a legit copy of OSX anyway so I doubt they'll open themselves up to the headache.

We'll see. Leopard will be released on the 26th.

I can't get the beta9a527 Leopard release to install so unless something has changed, it wouldn't work for me until it gets hacked/patched.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 22, 2007, 10:48 am

I'm very skeptical that they would do it... but if they were to silently make leopard able to install on any PC, it would be the beginning of a serious power move... Driver support is the #1 problem (as is with Linux, but linux has been getting a lot better) but if they were to address certain common hardware, or create a wrapper for windows drivers, they could begin taking market share from Microsoft. It might not be 10.5 that does it, but if what you said is true... the tide is turning.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 22, 2007, 1:37 pm

Fash wrote:I'm very skeptical that they would do it... but if they were to silently make leopard able to install on any PC, it would be the beginning of a serious power move...

I think that's their plan. They don't have to support it but some people may buy it anyway...and then the next major release could have full blown support.

I didn't have time to work on getting audio and my network up and running in OSX last night so can't comment on OSX's usefulness as a secondary OS yet. If anything, it would be an "entertainment" OS for my laptop eventually so it would need to have good/easy neworking to access my media files and excellent codec support and media players (hard to beat a customized zoomplayer but I'm willing to see what OSX has to offer)

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 23, 2007, 6:23 pm

I'm dealing with the same "sudo" crap in OSX that I was in Linux. Damn unix based OS!

I'm not really complaining for my particular situation as OSX isn't unsupported for my hardware, but jesus christ, why make it so hard to change what basically is a text config file?

All I need to do is change two numbers in the network config .plist file to get my LAN up and running. In Windows, you can use notepad, browse to the file, open it, modify it, close it, and you're done. In OSX, you can't use the text editor, you must use sudo nano (in terminal) and use an archaic interface to work your way about six directories deep to get to the file, making sure the caps, etc are all perfect. Why the fuck not use a simple browse/find solution? There's no need to be stuck with a 1980's UI to do a simple text edit. Beyond doing the modification, you must then "repair" what you've done and then "rebuild" it. I don't get why they make shit so "command line" oriented. Is it that hard to make a simple Notepad app , with sudo -s permissions? I'm used to doing all sorts of crazy shit to get directTV access cards, Tivo hacks, and console hacks patched and up and running, but really don't see why an advanced OS requires such ancient methods of modding config files.

Anyway, it turns out that the path to get to the file i need to mod is different in 10.4.7, 10.4.8 and 10.4.10 (not the file itself but the location is changing) and the instructions are in sudo speak which require exact path as you can't browse.

Since OSX 10.5 with a patch is being released on Saturday, I'm going to wait and use that with the new features. Apple needs to open up a bit.

My plan is to have one hard drive that dual boots Windows XP and OSX and have Vista on a separate Hard drive. I know how to triple boot them but want to keep Vista separate from OSX/XP. Maybe triple boot OSX/XP with one of the Linux distributions as the third OS.

noel · Post by **noel** » October 23, 2007, 9:07 pm

Winnow wrote:I'm dealing with the same "sudo" crap in OSX that I was in Linux. Damn unix based OS!

I'm not really complaining for my particular situation as OSX isn't unsupported for my hardware, but jesus christ, why make it so hard to change what basically is a text config file?

All I need to do is change two numbers in the network config .plist file to get my LAN up and running. In Windows, you can use notepad, browse to the file, open it, modify it, close it, and you're done. In OSX, you can't use the text editor, you must use sudo nano (in terminal) and use an archaic interface to work your way about six directories deep to get to the file, making sure the caps, etc are all perfect. Why the fuck not use a simple browse/find solution? There's no need to be stuck with a 1980's UI to do a simple text edit. Beyond doing the modification, you must then "repair" what you've done and then "rebuild" it. I don't get why they make shit so "command line" oriented. Is it that hard to make a simple Notepad app , with sudo -s permissions? I'm used to doing all sorts of crazy shit to get directTV access cards, Tivo hacks, and console hacks patched and up and running, but really don't see why an advanced OS requires such ancient methods of modding config files.

Anyway, it turns out that the path to get to the file i need to mod is different in 10.4.7, 10.4.8 and 10.4.10 (not the file itself but the location is changing) and the instructions are in sudo speak which require exact path as you can't browse.

Since OSX 10.5 with a patch is being released on Saturday, I'm going to wait and use that with the new features. Apple needs to open up a bit.

My plan is to have one hard drive that dual boots Windows XP and OSX and have Vista on a separate Hard drive. I know how to triple boot them but want to keep Vista separate from OSX/XP. Maybe triple boot OSX/XP with one of the Linux distributions as the third OS.

No man. In pirated, hacked OSX you have to roll like that. In the real OSX you just click on system preferences -> network -> and go to town.

Since you acknowleged that it's because you're using a pirated, hacked version, I'll just point out that it's a horrible way to meet Mac OS X. :S I realize it's the best you can do without spending money, but the hardware + software combo is really what makes the apple experience.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 23, 2007, 10:38 pm

noel wrote:
Since you acknowleged that it's because you're using a pirated, hacked version, I'll just point out that it's a horrible way to meet Mac OS X. :S I realize it's the best you can do without spending money, but the hardware + software combo is really what makes the apple experience.

Yeah, it's not an official whine as OSX only sells the OS officially to supported hardware. I don't want to buy overpriced hardware to simply test out an OS though so I'll make due.

I'm grabbing OSX 10.5 final off the newsgroups right now. It was posted less than an hour ago. I may not be able to install it right off the shelf due to the jmicron issue but most people should be able to. We'll see in an hour or so if it's legit and installs. (alt.binaries.boneless)

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 24, 2007, 2:16 am

Winnow wrote:I'm dealing with the same "sudo" crap in OSX that I was in Linux. Damn unix based OS!

I'm not really complaining for my particular situation as OSX isn't unsupported for my hardware, but jesus christ, why make it so hard to change what basically is a text config file?

All I need to do is change two numbers in the network config .plist file to get my LAN up and running. In Windows, you can use notepad, browse to the file, open it, modify it, close it, and you're done.

What particular file would that be? How about vista and trying to run ipconfig /flushdns, oh right you need to find cmd and run as administrator to do something as ultrasensitive as clear the dns cache... plus as Noel says, in real OSX you're just using the networking widget, which is far better than the windows one if you have a laptop and connect to more than one network.

In OSX, you can't use the text editor, you must use sudo nano (in terminal) and use an archaic interface to work your way about six directories deep to get to the file, making sure the caps, etc are all perfect.

Tab completion for the win... or hackintosh doesn't have that either?

Why the fuck not use a simple browse/find solution? There's no need to be stuck with a 1980's UI to do a simple text edit. Beyond doing the modification, you must then "repair" what you've done and then "rebuild" it. I don't get why they make shit so "command line" oriented. Is it that hard to make a simple Notepad app , with sudo -s permissions?

You can start a text editor w/ sudo if you want....

I'm used to doing all sorts of crazy shit to get directTV access cards, Tivo hacks, and console hacks patched and up and running, but really don't see why an advanced OS requires such ancient methods of modding config files.

Anyway, it turns out that the path to get to the file i need to mod is different in 10.4.7, 10.4.8 and 10.4.10 (not the file itself but the location is changing) and the instructions are in sudo speak which require exact path as you can't browse.

man locate
and again, tab completion FTW

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 25, 2007, 4:46 am

i've had no luck with the rumor that leopard will boot on a regular pc. i got the DMG and burned a copy (dual layer! fuck!), it does indeed have both hfs+ and cdfs partitions (boot camp driver install for xp), but on boot it just blinks the underscore a few times (might not even be recognizing a bootable disc) and skips through to the windows bootloader. To be sure it wasn't the wierd program that burned the DMG for me, i converted it to an ISO and burned with my normal program... it's identical to the other, same issue.

there's another way that involves creating 2 hfs+ partitions... one with the .dmg on it. use another osx86 disc to boot into the disk utility and choose the restore option.. it will let you pick the DMG to write onto the other, empty, partition.. then you have to get it to boot from that (not sure on this part... if it lets you set the startup disc from the osx installer you're already in... or by using something like acronis os selector. ) and you should be good.. i will probably try this or wait for an osx86 release.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 25, 2007, 5:06 am

Yeah, I didn't bother burning the 10.5 dmg.

"rumor" is that there will be a patched version by the end of the week. I know zero about Macs so I'm not going to bother with the partioning, etc.

I was playing around with Sabayon 3.4 mini distribution tonight. What a great linux distro. I used the full DVD verion in the past but this one is very refined and recognized my on board sound, hard drives, network, nvidia, all right off the bat on the live CD. I even grabbed Second Life linux off linden lab's web site, exracted it into a folder which is all it needed to run, and was playing a stable session of Second Life, all off the live CD w/out installing it. The Compiz (beryl hybrid) desktop effects were all rock solid as well.

The one thing linux is good for is being an emergency/pop-in=boot-up-and-go OS and Sabayon 3.4 mini (or 3.4f full live DVD) is the first to recognize everything without me screwing with anything, while including the nice effects on top of it all. Well done I say!

Plan now is to dual boot OSX 10.5 and Sabayon on one HD and have Vista on a separateHD.

If peeps want to check it out;

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/

The CD sized 3.4 mini kicks ass. I've used older versions of the full DVD which basically just has a ton more apps preinstalled but the CD is quick to download...there are some 1000mbps inks and its a good way to check out linux with the latest stuffage.

bunch of screens;

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/mod/screenshots/

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 26, 2007, 8:55 pm

Several Leopard OSX 10.5 images were uploaded at exactly 6pm on the newsgroups when the official Leapard was released. I'm downloading one version now and will try to make sense of it all this weekend. Not sure the version I'm grabbing is the right one but figured I start the d/l before I left work! This image fits on a DL DVD. I think someone is making a DVD 5 version as well.

ths .nfo from this one:

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Release: APPLE.MAC.OSX.LEOPARD.V10.5.ISO-OSX
CDs: 1xDVD9
Date: 10/2007
 
 
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::Information::
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You know what this is....
 
 
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::Website::
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http://www.apple.com/macosx/
 
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::How to::
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1. Unrar
2. Burn
3. Install
 
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::Group::
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If you need us, then find us

edit: nm on this. Not OSX86 yet.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 27, 2007, 3:42 pm

Using the instructions found here:

http://forum.osx86scene.com/viewtopic.p ... &sk=t&sd=a

I was able to install Leopard but am stuck at the part about making the Leopard partition bootable so i've got it installed but can't boot it! hehe

Here's some of the screens (took with camera) as I was installing:

The process involves patching the final release GM of OSX 10.5. I'm a little more comfortable with "sudo" stuff and getting around in the Mac OS so finally got this patch stuff done. Thankfully one of my hard drives was recognized by Tiger so I could move files as I don't have network access in Tiger yet.

After burning a patched DVD 5 image of OSX 10.5, I popped in an old 300GB hard drive to install to as you need to go back into Tiger later to "post" patch some kext files and other things before Leopard is ready to boot.

Leopard installed fine but the instructions on how to make the new partition bootable are Greek to me.

Is there some third party boot app that makes setting boot partions on the Mac easy?

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sudo fdisk -e /dev/rdiskX ( replace X and x with the disk/partition you installed Leopard to)
fdisk: 1> update
Machine code updated.
fdisk:*1> f 1
Partition 1 marked active.
fdisk:*1> w
Device could not be accessed exclusively.
A reboot will be needed for changes to take effect. OK? [n] y
Writing MBR at offset 0.
fdisk: 1> q

I don't know wtf that means. Makes no sense. "replace X and x"? I only see one X.

· Ok, now lets put the file “boot1h” in the beginning of the partition: In terminal, browse to the i386 folder inside the 9a581-patch folder. Then type this:
sudo dd if=boot1h of=/dev/rdiskXsx bs=512 count=1
· Now, lets run the startup tool to embed the boot code: (Place startuptool in your usr/sbin folder, on your Tiger Disk)
sudo startupfiletool -v /dev/rdiskXsx boot
· And last, lets give the pope’s blessing to the partition:
sudo bless -device /dev/diskXsx -setBoot –verbose

I can see all the files and folders on the partition I installed Leopard to but the "Startup disk Utility" in OSX doesn't show it.

Then name of the hard drive Leopard is on: WD-750-770
The Leopard partion name is: Leopard

Using the above instructions, can someone show me exactly what I need to type? (if not, is there an easy app that does the same thing?)

(BTW, the screens show I installed to OSX 10.5 but I changed the name of the partion to Leopard afterwards so Leopard is correct for the above instructions)

Thanks (if someone can help!)

I'm having fun with this, not frustrated as I know this is the early stages and eventually a full install OSX86 disk will be released but I'm so close! : )

This method requires you to have an extra partition available to install OSX 10.5 to and you need Tiger OS installed as well but if you have those and can figure out the last boot part, you'll have Leopard to try out hopefully.

noel · Post by **noel** » October 27, 2007, 3:57 pm

Unfortunately, I have to wait until Monday to get Leopard for my MacBook (I'll get it for $69 if I wait until Monday), and I'm still debating upgrade vs. clean install. I mostly just have to make sure I can reintall my Cisco VPN client properly on a clean install. Hopefully I have the .DMG file backed up somewhere.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 27, 2007, 4:12 pm

Winnow wrote:
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sudo fdisk -e /dev/rdiskX ( replace X and x with the disk/partition you installed Leopard to)
fdisk: 1> update
Machine code updated.
fdisk:*1> f 1
Partition 1 marked active.
fdisk:*1> w
Device could not be accessed exclusively.
A reboot will be needed for changes to take effect. OK? [n] y
Writing MBR at offset 0.
fdisk: 1> q
I don't know wtf that means. Makes no sense. "replace X and x"? I only see one X.

· Ok, now lets put the file “boot1h” in the beginning of the partition: In terminal, browse to the i386 folder inside the 9a581-patch folder. Then type this:
sudo dd if=boot1h of=/dev/rdiskXsx bs=512 count=1
· Now, lets run the startup tool to embed the boot code: (Place startuptool in your usr/sbin folder, on your Tiger Disk)
sudo startupfiletool -v /dev/rdiskXsx boot
· And last, lets give the pope’s blessing to the partition:
sudo bless -device /dev/diskXsx -setBoot –verbose
I can see all the files and folders on the partition I installed Leopard to but the "Startup disk Utility" in OSX doesn't show it.

paraphrased from elsewhere:

launch Disk Utility (Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility).
Select the Leopard partition. Click on "Information" (the blue "i" on top of Disk Utility).
After the name and the type of the partition, there is a list of data. Read the first one, disk identification: it might be rdisk0s1
so:

Code: Select all

sudo fdisk -e /dev/rdisk0s1               (i wonder if he meant to leave off the s1, but cant be sure)
fdisk: 1> update                                         ("fdisk: #>"    is the prompt, update is your command)
-- Machine code updated.
fdisk:*1> f 1                                               (for example sake, if it were rdisk9s7, this would be f 7)
-- Partition 1 marked active.
fdisk:*1> w
-- Device could not be accessed exclusively.
-- it will prompt: A reboot will be needed for changes to take effect. OK? [n] y
-- Writing MBR at offset 0.
fdisk: 1> q

In terminal, browse to the i386 folder inside the 9a581-patch folder. Then type this:
sudo dd if=boot1h of=/dev/rdisk0s1 bs=512 count=1                              
· Now, lets run the startup tool to embed the boot code: (Place startuptool in your usr/sbin folder, on your Tiger Disk)
sudo startupfiletool -v /dev/rdisk0s1 boot
· And last, lets give the pope’s blessing to the partition:
sudo bless -device /dev/disk0s1 -setBoot –verbose

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 27, 2007, 5:21 pm

[quote="Fash]

paraphrased from elsewhere:

launch Disk Utility (Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility).
Select the Leopard partition. Click on "Information" (the blue "i" on top of Disk Utility).
After the name and the type of the partition, there is a list of data. Read the first one, disk identification: it might be rdisk0s1
so:

Code: Select all

sudo fdisk -e /dev/rdisk0s1               (i wonder if he meant to leave off the s1, but cant be sure)
fdisk: 1> update                                         ("fdisk: #>"    is the prompt, update is your command)
-- Machine code updated.
fdisk:*1> f 1                                               (for example sake, if it were rdisk9s7, this would be f 7)
-- Partition 1 marked active.
fdisk:*1> w
-- Device could not be accessed exclusively.
-- it will prompt: A reboot will be needed for changes to take effect. OK? [n] y
-- Writing MBR at offset 0.
fdisk: 1> q

In terminal, browse to the i386 folder inside the 9a581-patch folder. Then type this:
sudo dd if=boot1h of=/dev/rdisk0s1 bs=512 count=1                              
· Now, lets run the startup tool to embed the boot code: (Place startuptool in your usr/sbin folder, on your Tiger Disk)
sudo startupfiletool -v /dev/rdisk0s1 boot
· And last, lets give the pope’s blessing to the partition:
sudo bless -device /dev/disk0s1 -setBoot –verbose

[/quote]

Thanks Fash! I've progressed to (Place startuptool in your usr/sbin folder)

where's startuptool? I tried searching for it but couldn't locate. I downloaded TinkerTool in order to see hidden files for the i386 file moves.

getting closer!

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 27, 2007, 5:52 pm

is there not a /usr/sbin/startupfiletool on your tiger install?

but I saw somewhere startupfiletool is something that has to be compiled... There might be a compiled version in this: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/24 ... l-hatchery
(i based that assumption on: http://forum.osx86scene.com/viewtopic.p ... view=print)

or from here if you make an insanelymac account: http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php? ... st&id=4281

not sure on that... i just tried installing 10.4.8 and it doesnt see my sata drives. weeee.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 27, 2007, 6:26 pm

bah,

i placed startupfiletool in the right place but ran into "drive not cleanly mounted'

Someone on insanely mac said to boot into tiger, verify and repair the Leopard partion but I get an error and it won't repair.

I think I'm done trying!

The instructions are full of errors. I'be been reading through the thread i linked but there just seems to be too many mistakes in the original poster's instructions for me to correct being a novice in the Mac OS world.

It's also very possible the HD i installed to is bad. It's old and bombed on me awhile back!

So close!

hmm, now that I know what to do. I'm going to intall 10.5 to the other partition and go through the process again.

noel · Post by **noel** » October 27, 2007, 6:38 pm

Winnow wrote:...in the Mac OS world.

To be fair, these are never issues in the Mac OS world. It's more akin to a Vista install if you're on Mac hardware.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 27, 2007, 7:01 pm

He's right... wouldn't have these issues on apple hardware.

It's a testament to how good their stuff really is, that we will go through crazy amounts of shit just to try it out...

I had tiger running once before, but I can't make it happen again! I'm now going to try installing to a USB drive and see how that works out.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 28, 2007, 12:19 pm

No dice on the usb drive...

so anyways, why the fuck is the pre-patched dvd not on the newsgroups?

http://dailyapps.net/2007/10/hack-attac ... asy-steps/

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 28, 2007, 4:44 pm

Fash wrote:No dice on the usb drive...

so anyways, why the fuck is the pre-patched dvd not on the newsgroups?

http://dailyapps.net/2007/10/hack-attac ... asy-steps/

I don't think that prepatched version is going to do much for you. That's the same version I have and you still need to do all the other post patching steps which are the biggest challenge. The problem for me, and with most people having issues, is making the new Leopard partition bootable.

I'm surprised that Jas 10.4.8 isn't working for you though. That's the only version that has actually worked for me, having the most non standard driver support built in. After converting my PATA DVD to SATA, JAs 10.4.8 install went smoothly (although I dont have sound and networking yet)

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 29, 2007, 1:07 am

Winnow wrote: I don't think that prepatched version is going to do much for you. That's the same version I have and you still need to do all the other post patching steps which are the biggest challenge.

not sure if it works, but that link i posted claims the post patching is easy using the terminal (from the install dvd) and a fat32 flash drive (which i already have set up with the patch files)...

Winnow wrote: I'm surprised that Jas 10.4.8 isn't working for you though. That's the only version that has actually worked for me, having the most non standard driver support built in. After converting my PATA DVD to SATA, JAs 10.4.8 install went smoothly (although I dont have sound and networking yet)

it doesn't even see my sata drives (known issue with nforce motherboards).. i picked up another version (mac.nub 10.4.10) which does, but my issue is back to being unable to erase (to hfs+) the partition i want to... it just freezes up.

i'm going to see if i can completely empty one drive, and use macdrive to make it hfs+ in windows.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 29, 2007, 3:49 am

Someone suggested installing OSX 10.5 on top of an existing install of Tiger. They also provided instructions on how to include the post patch in the OSX 10.5 install DVD. I followed the directions exactly as they suggested but for some fucked up reason, the post patch didn't save on the DVD install disk, and I copied over my 10.4.8 to try it out...and then I installed 10.4.8 on my old 300GB HD to try and execute the post patch using the old method but it turns out my 300GB really is screwed as I can't boot it up even with 10.4.8 install...so, I'm stuck...almost!

A new method has emerged. Someone made a disk image of the OSX 10.5 installed partition and put up a torrent of it:

Applications : Macintosh : English
here's how to install osx 10.5 leopard 9a581 in your intel/amd sse3 machine without the use of a single DVD!

you need at least 20 GB free space on a ntfs partition and an entire disk to spare. it's all patched with the BrazilMAC patch.

1. grab the torrent.
2. extract leopard-x86.rar to the folder
3. open compmgmt.msc and select Disk Management
4. remember what disk (Disk 0, Disk 1 etc) you want to install to
5. remove any existing partitions on that disk by right clicking and selecting 'Delete Volume' and 'Delete Partition'
6. copy the .bat file for the selected disk to the folder

WARNING!! selecting the wrong file may result in a wiped disk!!

7. execute the .bat file and wait..
8. reboot into the created disk [by pressing Esc, F12 or whatever your mainbord wants] and boot into a fresh osX 10.5 install, you can now
select your login info, location and so on.
9. if you wanna dualboot from vista, download EasyBCD...

this install disk was bade by the help of the tutorial at
http://forum.osx86scene.com/viewtopic.p ... &sk=t&sd=a

it's reported to work great on Asus P5W DH Deluxe, Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 and works ok on my Gigabyte GA-965P-DS4
enjoy!

2.5 GB torrent available here:

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1 ... 1193626274

Can you clear something up for me Fash? I can't tell where this "ntfs" partition is supposed to be. He doesn't mention what OS he's using while doing these operations. Do I load up windows, and use a free NTFS partition and point this image somehow to the hard drive I want to install it on? Am I supposed to be doing this from within Tiger?

I like this method although I'm not comfortable trying it with those limited instructions.

"compmgmt.msc" what kind of extension is .msc?

He lists "Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3" which is my exact MB as a success so I'm hoping to try this.

I can see the contents of the torrent as I'm downloading it and see:

dd --list.bat
dd.exe
leopard-x86.rar (this is the bulk of the 2.5GB torrrent)
write leopard-x86-flat-img to disk0\write leopard-x86-flat-img to disk1.bat
write leopard-x86-flat-img to disk1\write leopard-x86-flat-img to disk2.bat
write leopard-x86-flat-img to disk2\write leopard-x86-flat-img to disk3.bat
write leopard-x86-flat-img to disk3\write leopard-x86-flat-img to disk4.bat

-------------

So...bat files .exe = windows/dos to me! Am I supposed to load windows, and dum these files into a spare 20GB ntfs partiton and somehow figure out which disk number 0-3 is my emptry HD that I want to install to?

This guy posted on page 22 of the linked long Leopard help thread quoted above but hasn't responded yet with more info.

-------

I'm pretty bummed over the "install Leopard on top of Tiger and then use pre-post patched DVD". I thought that was going to work for sure but somehow the leopatch directory with the post patch didn't get copied to the DVD so I'm screwed on that attempt!

On the plus side, Tiger is a breeze to install with Jas 10.4.8 so I'm guessing that it won't be long for something similar to be released for Leopard. I want to give this disk image a try though while we wait! I spend the entire weekend screwing around with this although I watched a lot of football and TV shows along the way so it wasn't a complete waste of time!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 29, 2007, 6:56 am

Success!

That last "flat image" method worked great!

"compmgmt.msc" just opens Computer Management in windows which allows you to easily identify the drive 0-3 that you want to install Leopard on.

I used my possibly defective 300GB Maxtor drive as an experiment which had two mac hfs partitions on it. I deleted those per the instructions and executed the proper .bat file for the my Maxtor disk and about 5 minutes later it was done copying the image to the drive.

I restarted my computer and selected the Maxtor as my first boot drive and Leopard booted right up, with sound...!!!

Basically, you need a free hard drive and 20GB in an ntfs partition as the 2.51GB rar expands into a 16GB image file so ~20GB is safe.

This is incredibly easy as long as you have an extra hard drive to install Leopard on. I'm just glad I got a working Leopard before I went to bed tonight so I can sleep better : ) This "image" method would have saved me about 15 hours of screwing around so I hope it helps some of you out that want to try it.

All that's left is fixing the Yukon network issue which is fixed the same way it was in Tiger so that shouldn't be a problem. Sound working right away was a pleasant surprise.

wait for it....

Leopard sucks!

jk, seems kinda cool so far. The cover flip thing is useless but cool to play with for a sec. I want to play around with Spaces tomorrow after some sleep (at work).

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 29, 2007, 10:26 am

cool.. glad you answered all your own questions, since I just got back to the thread...

send me a demonoid invite winnow?... funk sent me one but i guess i waited too long to redeem it, it's not valid anymore.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 29, 2007, 11:06 am

Fash wrote:send me a demonoid invite winnow?... funk sent me one but i guess i waited too long to redeem it, it's not valid anymore.

don't let him into the club!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 29, 2007, 12:34 pm

Fash wrote:cool.. glad you answered all your own questions, since I just got back to the thread...

send me a demonoid invite winnow?... funk sent me one but i guess i waited too long to redeem it, it's not valid anymore.

you can't get in? I just clicked on the torrent link at the bottom of the page and it started up.

I'm not a demonoid member or anything although I registered with the two osx86 message boards.

Im able to click torrent at bottom unregistered:

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1 ... 1193626274

try it:

http://www.demonoid.com/files/download/ ... 091/775222

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 29, 2007, 12:42 pm

odd... i didn't expect that to work... ok, im downloading it.

sandraandjay · Post by **sandraandjay** » October 29, 2007, 3:53 pm

Did anyone try this link: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3805218/kal ... SSE3_9a527

Worked with no issues for me on an asrock board with c2d processor my old gigabyte board was terrible for osx installs though!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 29, 2007, 5:14 pm

sandraandjay wrote:Did anyone try this link: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3805218/kal ... SSE3_9a527

"9a527" is an old beta of Leopard. If you can, try and grab 9a581 which is the final "Gold Master" release of Leopard.

sandraandjay · Post by **sandraandjay** » October 29, 2007, 6:17 pm

Just checking demonoid for anther release (although the version I posted about earlier is the version I have been using for a week or so and still works great!) If you want an invite to demonoid still, let me know peeps I have a couple spare

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 29, 2007, 6:43 pm

I got one, thanks... downloading the flat image from demonoid now, might have enough time to install it when i get home from the bar.

sandraandjay · Post by **sandraandjay** » October 29, 2007, 7:15 pm

If you ever find you get issues with OSX not bootin after install, use acronis os selector - it aways finds it and makes the changes. If you are running it on a separate HD, you can simply unistall Acronis after the initial boot and then use "f11" choice menu or whatever yours is to choose the HD to boot from. But for installation on a single drive, if found acronis oss to be the best. You can have linux, XP and OSX on one but vista is a harder one to deal with because of the dame boot loader (grub isnt actually that bad to deal with). Shout out if you find any other good OSX builds out there. I gope Kalyway brings a patched retail build forward!