Are you white?

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 16, 2007, 4:26 pm

To clarify what I mean here:

If you're Jewish, you're white.
If you're Irish, you're white.
If you're Sicilian, you're white.
If you trace your ancestry largely to Europe or Russia, you're almost certainly white.
If you're 90% white but you have a great-grandfather who was half Native American, you're white.
If you're legitimately multiracial and have strong associations with other aspects of your minority culture, you can be non-white if it fits with your identity to be so.

Basically, no saying "well, I don't like the idea of being white, and I have this little sliver of non-whiteness in me, so I'm going to claim non-white."

I am white.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 16, 2007, 4:47 pm

What's the purpose of this thread beyond determining the race of those registered members that choose to reply?

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 16, 2007, 5:04 pm

I feel like VV is OVERWHELMINGLY white and male. This poll (in conjunction with the man/woman) is me trying to get some information which will help me better understand the dynamics of the board.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 16, 2007, 5:08 pm

I'm white.

I'm not black but I have a lot of black tendencies; I like chicken, I'm lazy and I don't own a cell phone.

Jarori Bloodletter · September 16, 2007, 5:24 pm

Spang wrote:I'm white.

I'm not black but I have a lot of black tendencies; I like chicken, I'm lazy and I don't own a cell phone.

ROFL

I am White

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » September 16, 2007, 5:26 pm

Im white. Way too white actually, can only be white or red when i get sun, no tan

Nick · Post by **Nick** » September 16, 2007, 5:50 pm

I'm quite a nice tanned colour after my holiday tbh

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » September 16, 2007, 6:17 pm

I'm white. I pretty much don't tan... I freckle.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 16, 2007, 6:52 pm

1/16 Cherokee

I usually respond "Pomeranian" when it comes up.

Asheran Mojomaster · September 16, 2007, 7:19 pm

20% Cherokee, 60% Irish\Welsch, 20% other European. I'd say I'm white, I turn pasty in the winter but with enough sun I am a dark brown\red, no burning for me.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » September 16, 2007, 7:19 pm

Holy fucking lopsided. 20-0 at this point.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » September 16, 2007, 7:23 pm

Asheran Mojomaster wrote:, 60% Irish\Welsch

Welsh!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 16, 2007, 7:45 pm

I am human...where is that option?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » September 16, 2007, 7:54 pm

Leonaerd wrote:Holy fucking lopsided. 20-0 at this point.

I don't think we've ever had a black poster. Especially not a regular.

I'm not sure why this is surprising, or even needs a poll to express the obvious.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » September 16, 2007, 8:00 pm

It's surprising because this is the land of the free and the home of minorities.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 16, 2007, 8:37 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:
Leonaerd wrote:Holy fucking lopsided. 20-0 at this point.
I don't think we've ever had a black poster. Especially not a regular.

I'm not sure why this is surprising, or even needs a poll to express the obvious.

We have had one, but I can't think of the name.. I'm sicilian, so white. I would also like to be added to the list of people that is not even close to surprised.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 16, 2007, 8:40 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:
Leonaerd wrote:Holy fucking lopsided. 20-0 at this point.
I don't think we've ever had a black poster. Especially not a regular.

I'm not sure why this is surprising, or even needs a poll to express the obvious.

I thought Crimson was african-american (black!)

Nick · Post by **Nick** » September 16, 2007, 9:06 pm

And Krimson's cousin, Quetus? I think he posted now and again, although that may have been back in IGN. No idea what colour he was, but the mention of Krimson reminded me of him.

He was a cool guy

I miss him

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 16, 2007, 9:25 pm

Yeah, Krimson was black.

I'm not sure why this is surprising,

Well, I knew plenty of minorities who played EQ on Veeshan. Given that this board comes straight from the EQ Veeshan population, isn't it possible that the demographics of the two communities are similar? Doesn't seem to be the case. I admit to being surprised that we haven't had any non-white votes yet-- I was expecting it to be 80-90%, similar to the gender poll.

The content of this board is facially race-neutral. The population that the membership of this board comes from was diverse. I think it's interesting that there is little/no minority representation on VV.

We don't have any more openly gay members, do we? Since Fesuni and 'Dar left? I think we have one openly lesbian member, but she's the only one I can think of.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 17, 2007, 12:00 am

Sueven wrote:If you're Sicilian, you're white.

According to Dennis Hopper, Sicilians are descended from niggers.

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » September 17, 2007, 9:26 am

introverted white female who's ok with naked baby pics and piercings, just not together.

Fairweather Pure · September 17, 2007, 10:37 am

Sueven wrote:Yeah, Krimson was black.

I'm not sure why this is surprising,
Well, I knew plenty of minorities who played EQ on Veeshan. Given that this board comes straight from the EQ Veeshan population, isn't it possible that the demographics of the two communities are similar? Doesn't seem to be the case. I admit to being surprised that we haven't had any non-white votes yet-- I was expecting it to be 80-90%, similar to the gender poll.

The content of this board is facially race-neutral. The population that the membership of this board comes from was diverse. I think it's interesting that there is little/no minority representation on VV.

We don't have any more openly gay members, do we? Since Fesuni and 'Dar left? I think we have one openly lesbian member, but she's the only one I can think of.

I met lots of gays in EQ and lots of non-Americans. I don't think I knew any blacks. Same goes for WoW. The gay population in both was a bit odd. I don't have any gay friends in real life, but am friends with about 5 or 6 online.

I hate to be completely sterotypical, but if this were a Madden 2007 board, I think we would have a lot more color thrown our way. As an MMORPG offshoot, I don't believe it's a genre that attracts too many people that aren't white. I would throw RPG games in there too. Sure, there are exceptions to the rule, but it's far from the norm. You could also get into the whole socioeconomic debate about blacks and other minorities not having equal access to computers or high speed Internet connections like whites do.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 17, 2007, 11:15 am

You might very well be right. I mean, I'm sure you're at least somewhat right, I'm confident that there's underrepresentation of non-asian racial minorities in RPG's.

However, I can easily list a number of minority players from CT-- we had black players, asian players, hispanic players, gay players-- and I certainly didn't know the race of most of my guildmates. My EQ experience was much more diverse than my VV experience.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » September 17, 2007, 1:09 pm

I'm so white I make the rest of you look black :/

Xyphir · Post by **Xyphir** » September 17, 2007, 1:27 pm

My father is VERY caucasion, and my mother is Japanese. I identify with my asian roots, although I don't speak Japanese. I do visit my family in Okinawa on occasion though, and love the culture, even if they are extremely ethnocentric. I'm mostly "white".

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » September 17, 2007, 1:34 pm

Xyphir wrote:My father is VERY caucasion, and my mother is Japanese. I identify with my asian roots, although I don't speak Japanese. I do visit my family in Okinawa on occasion though, and love the culture, even if they are extremely ethnocentric. I'm mostly "white".

My mother in law was Japanese and my father in law is caucasion. My wife and her sister have many of the japanese traits, although my wife definately has more caucasion attributes. She's 6ft tall, but retaines both the black hair/brown eyes and skin tone of her mother. She has slanted eyes, but not anything like a stereotype. At times, she could look either american indian or latino if she wanted to.

So far, our daughter is a very intersting mix of the 2 of us. She has red hair, is white as a ghost, has big beautiful blue eyes (like me!), and is in the 99th percentile for length. She also has a slight slant to her eyes like her mother. I am very interested to see what she looks like later in life. I imagine she will be very beautiful and unique if these traits stay with her. One thing is for sure, she is going to be very tall!

Xyphir · Post by **Xyphir** » September 17, 2007, 1:42 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:
Xyphir wrote:My father is VERY caucasion, and my mother is Japanese. I identify with my asian roots, although I don't speak Japanese. I do visit my family in Okinawa on occasion though, and love the culture, even if they are extremely ethnocentric. I'm mostly "white".
My mother in law was Japanese and my father in law is caucasion. My wife and her sister have many of the japanese traits, although my wife definately has more caucasion attributes. She's 6ft tall, but retaines both the black hair/brown eyes and skin tone of her mother. She has slanted eyes, but not anything like a stereotype. At times, she could look either american indian or latino if she wanted too.

So far, our daughter is a very intersting mix of the 2 of us. She has red hair, is white as a ghost, has big beautiful blue eyes (like me!), and is in the 99th percentile for length. She also has a slight slant to her eyes like her mother. I am very interested to see what she looks like later in life. I imagine she will be very beautiful and unique if these traits stay with her. One thing is for sure, she is going to be very tall!

I don't look asian at all, although I do have balck hair/brown eyes but no slant to my eyes. I have too much facial hair to pass for Japanese (Thanks Dad!). Since I hold a tan well, I look more mediterranian and a bit taller than the average asian.

My wife has brown hair and blue eyes, and we're expecting the birth of our first at the end of October. I'm anxious to see how he/she will look, and whether she'll have predominantly caucasian characteristics. Either way, I can't wait to meet him/her.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 17, 2007, 1:58 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:I'm so white I make the rest of you look black :/

I used to get engineers from Northern Scotland in a course I taught, we referred to them as having a corpse tan.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 17, 2007, 3:41 pm

I wish I could say I was black from the waist down but actually I am chinese from the waist down.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » September 17, 2007, 3:51 pm

awful lot of honkeys in here.

we're a bunch of racists, i think. didnt you all learn anything about the diversity of MMO players from this instructional video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-CHG_To7Ag

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 17, 2007, 6:34 pm

I've seen both Roots and the Shogun mini series. Just ask if you need to know anything about those people.

It would be nice to have a more diverse group involved with the VV boards. Our membership is extremely stagnant. With the Yahoo and Google bots that are on this board now, I'm surprised how often I search on Google and a link to a VeeshanVault thread pops up in the results. I'm sure we get our share of outsiders that take a look here. The spam problems have resulted in registration to VV requiring an email to the mods to join which I think is limiting the already small additions to the membership. I haven't had to do that anywhere else on the net so can't judge how willing people are to do that.

Is there an easy to add plug-in that requires you to type letters seen on an image to complete registration? That might stop spam bots while still allowing people to not have to send an email to a gmail address.

our current process:

We're beset by spammers on all sides, so registration now requires admin approval. To that end, if you are not trying to be our panpal or sell us porno websites and are a legitimate human being with a soul that you'd like the longtime posters here to shred and eat, leaving you a worthless husk of a human being, please register your account and then send an email to veeshanvaultATgmailDOTcom. Just tell us how you're not a spammer, and we'll activate your account at our earliest convenience.

Thanks.

We could flame attack both a liberal message board (like this one!), a Young Republicans board (Seebs might know a good one!), and maybe a Cablinasian (Caucasian, Black, American-Indian, and Asian) board to fish for some new posters to flesh out the viewpoints for our threads.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 17, 2007, 7:47 pm

There are plenty of ways around most of the image protection schemes out there.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » September 17, 2007, 8:36 pm

White Catholic French Canadian..

So yeah.. white.

Keverian FireCry · September 17, 2007, 10:00 pm

I am mostly English w/ some Danish, Welsh, and German mixed in. I'm not white, I'm transparent.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » September 18, 2007, 12:11 am

Hesten wrote:Im white. Way too white actually, can only be white or red when i get sun, no tan

I'm the same way. The Sun is my enemy.

Somali · Post by **Somali** » September 18, 2007, 4:19 pm

I'm ~60% Euro (mostly Irish)
25% Spic (Mexi-Can) [Masteen liked to call me a wetback, but my people are fence jumpers.]
~3% (1/32) Seminole
~3% (1/32) Cherokee
And the rest is god knows what.

I guess I'm white, but i never knew it until I started working in the technical field. Once upon a time I used to be olive complected. Turns out if you don't see the sun for about 4 years straight you get very very white.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 18, 2007, 4:58 pm

Somali wrote:Once upon a time I used to be olive complected.

Wouldn't have expected that, you were really white when I first met you, thought Masteen was just being a douchebag

redeemed · Post by **redeemed** » September 19, 2007, 5:21 am

I voted no because I'm a half-breed. My father is "white" my mother is "hispanic." (He's mostly German, she's mostly Chilean - like, from Chile) I don't consider myself white or hispanic, but both.. so I maybe should've picked neither but too late ;p
(p.s. I'm also still female - yay double minority!)

laneela · Post by **laneela** » September 19, 2007, 9:08 am

I voted 'yes' although for census purposes I'm white hispanic. My dad is Cuban and my mom is English - I'm first generation American on both sides.

Somali · Post by **Somali** » September 19, 2007, 10:57 am

Aabidano wrote:
Somali wrote:Once upon a time I used to be olive complected.
Wouldn't have expected that, you were really white when I first met you, thought Masteen was just being a douchebag

Yes I'm living proof that your skin complexion can change when not exposed to sunlight for an extremely long period of time. I never knew I could be the color I was when I worked at Lucent until I started working there. Since then, I've started to see the sun a bit more and I'm not quite as pale, but I'm still far to lacking in the outdoor experience to be classed as anything other than "white" by people that didn't know me pre-Lucent.

And Masteen was just being a douchebag. I told him many times to get the ethnic slur right. Cubanos and Haitians are the wetbacks. We Mexicans are fencehoppers/borderjumpers. He new the difference given where he grew up. He just liked calling me a wetback. Probably because in the hispanic heirarchy, Mexicans rate higher than Cubans, or at least that the way the Mexicans viewed it when I was younger. I'm a bit out of touch lately. (probably because I've been pasty white so long now)

Edit: I should note that the hispanic heirarchy was observed, not practiced by me personally. I'm not hispanic enough for it to have mattered. I'm a mutt.

Kilmoll the Sexy · September 19, 2007, 12:07 pm

White with a lot of American Indian bloodlines. Recently found out through some geneological research that Chaucer is my great x17 grandfather....so obviously a lot of nasty British blood in there too.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 19, 2007, 1:19 pm

I'm mostly of Prussian descent (hey, thats what is was called back when my ancestors live there!). Also have some English in me and unfortunately a tiny bit of Irish. (see a red whisker every once in awhile)

Winnow
Kingdom of Prussia

We kicked some ass before Hitler screwed things up!

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 19, 2007, 1:38 pm

Winnow wrote:I'm mostly of Prussian descent

You could be a fellow Pomeranian, the state straddled the current German\Polish border on the Baltic.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » September 19, 2007, 2:17 pm

Somali wrote:...Cubanos and Haitians are the wetbacks. We Mexicans are fencehoppers/borderjumpers. He new the difference given where he grew up. He just liked calling me a wetback...

Where did you get this nugget of wisdom? I'd always understood the etymology of the term "wetback" to have its origins in the crossing of the Rio Grande by migrant workers. That's what my grandmother's mexican boyfriend told me 25+ years ago, and it's also how the term is defined by every reputable source I know of. As far as I know, the term was rather common long before the comparatively recent arrival of Haitian and Cuban "boat people" refugees. The requisite border fences and walls necessary for fence jumping are also rather recent, relatively speaking.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 19, 2007, 3:17 pm

Xatrei wrote:
Somali wrote:...Cubanos and Haitians are the wetbacks. We Mexicans are fencehoppers/borderjumpers. He new the difference given where he grew up. He just liked calling me a wetback...
Where did you get this nugget of wisdom? I'd always understood the etymology of the term "wetback" to have its origins in the crossing of the Rio Grande by migrant workers. That's what my grandmother's mexican boyfriend told me 25+ years ago, and it's also how the term is defined by every reputable source I know of. As far as I know, the term was rather common long before the comparatively recent arrival of Haitian and Cuban "boat people" refugees. The requisite border fences and walls necessary for fence jumping are also rather recent, relatively speaking.

I also have only heard of Mexicans/Central-Americans referred to as wetbacks due to the Rio Grande crossing.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 19, 2007, 3:51 pm

I see a lot of people putting down their % of this and of that nationality.

45% Irish
45% Russian
10% Scot
=========
100% American

I was born here so I don't give a shit what people say. I am a NATIVE AMERICAN.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 19, 2007, 5:36 pm

I'm half Russian with a big chunk of Scot and a few other euromutt trappings.

Bubba wrote:I was born here so I don't give a shit what people say. I am a NATIVE AMERICAN.

I've never really understood why people care about this one. Sure, you're a Native American. However, I'm sure you also recognize that the term "Native American," as commonly used, refers to a real group of people, and you're not a member of this group. You can try to appropriate the term if you want, but the concept which the term refers to won't disappear, so you'll just have to call them something else. You can call yourself a Native American, but then you need to start calling Native Americans "Americans of Pre-Columbian American Ancestry" or some bullshit like that. Who cares?

I do, however, totally approve of the desire to identify yourself as an American instead of identifying yourself as Irish or Italian or whatever. For almost everybody born in America (especially those of us who are euromutts), their national identity as an American is far more significant than their identification with their country of ancestry.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 19, 2007, 5:57 pm

yeah I understand that. I had a professor once do this in class and asked, "what are you". Everyone, including myself, gave heritage and percentages. When we were all done he said, "funny that none of you said you were Americans".

I believe that until we all see ourselves as Human first we will never be rid of the boundries that divide us. I am not saying don't take pride in culture or diversity however.

I'll shut up now as my thoughts never really come out well in type.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 19, 2007, 6:06 pm

Hey, I disagree, I think that was one of the more reasonable comments anyone's likely to find on VV.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 19, 2007, 9:12 pm

Bubba Grizz wrote:yeah I understand that. I had a professor once do this in class and asked, "what are you". Everyone, including myself, gave heritage and percentages. When we were all done he said, "funny that none of you said you were Americans".

I believe that until we all see ourselves as Human first we will never be rid of the boundries that divide us. I am not saying don't take pride in culture or diversity however.

That professor was lame! "What are you?"

Organic!