SWAT raid house for minor warrant and kill a puppy...

[Asheran Mojomaster]

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2004-08- ... rnoon/full

"It was shortly after noon on July 23 and several men dressed in black jeans and green shirts were getting out of an unmarked white Suburban, casually putting on flak jackets and helmets.

Soon the men were lingering in front of his neighbor's house in the upscale gated subdivision of quarter-million-dollar homes.

Delfino never would have guessed that he was witnessing the final preparations by the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office SWAT team moments before it unleashed a barrage of tear gas grenades into his neighbor's home.

"They looked unprofessional. They were getting dressed on the scene. They weren't organized," Delfino, 22, says.

From his vantage point inside his home, Delfino couldn't see that deputies had rolled an armored personnel carrier into the neighbor's front yard as they prepared to storm the house.

Delfino could see no readily visible insignia on any of the men, so he figured the scene must be a prelude to a prank on the two men and a woman with a toddler who lived in the two-story stucco house across the street.

"I thought, these must be their friends and they are going to try and shoot paint balls at them," Delfino says.

But soon he knew that what he first thought was a gag must be about something deadly serious.

"I saw one of the guys was perched and aiming a gun at the window," he says. "All of a sudden, he fires off a tear gas round into the upstairs window.

"I immediately called 911. I didn't know what was going on."

Delfino says the men -- who he next thought must be members of a gang -- continued firing tear gas canisters through three upstairs windows in the front of the house. He saw others wearing flak jackets go around to the back of the house, where he heard them fire two more rounds at the upstairs windows of a back bedroom.

After a few minutes on the phone with a 911 operator, Delfino says, he was told that the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office was serving a search warrant on the house and "not to worry."

That's when Delfino really got nervous. With good reason.

Delfino tells me he didn't know whether a huge gun battle was about to erupt 20 yards from his front door. No one from the sheriff's office had alerted him -- or any of his neighbors -- to evacuate.

Moments later, the situation deteriorated even further when the house erupted into flames. Now, the entire neighborhood of closely packed homes was threatened by the possibility of fire.

There wasn't a fire truck in sight.

Delfino's 'hood wouldn't have fared much worse if it had been a gang of street thugs blasting away at the house, rather than Sheriff Joe Arpaio's inept and bumbling SWAT team.

In less than 30 minutes, Arpaio's special forces unleashed an unprecedented wave of violence on this quiet community. Consider this:

• Just after the tear gas canisters were shot, a fire erupted and destroyed a $250,000 home plus all the contents inside. (The home's occupants believe the tear gas canisters caused the fire. Phoenix fire officials say the blaze was probably started by a lighted candle that was knocked onto a bed during the confusion.)

• The armored personnel carrier careened down the street and smashed into a parked car after its brakes failed.

• And in the ultimate display of cruelty, a SWAT team member drove a dog trying to flee the home back into the inferno, where it met an agonizing death.

Deputies then reportedly laughed as the dog's owners came unglued as it perished in the blaze.

"I was crying hysterically," Andrea Barker, one of the dog's owners, tells me. "I was so upset. They [deputies] were laughing at me."

Making fun of the 10-month-old pit bull puppy's death wasn't enough.

Arpaio's goons then left the dog's body to rot in the ashes for the next five days of 105-degree temperatures. A pall of death hung over the neighborhood. It was a putrid reminder of Arpaio's reckless use of force and callous disregard for the public's welfare. Not to mention the heinous treatment toward the terrified dog.

And what did Arpaio's crack SWAT team net from the raid that left a needless trail of death and destruction?

MCSO stormed the house believing there was a cache of stolen automatic weapons and armor-piercing ammunition. But MCSO got bushwhacked. Instead of finding weapons of mass destruction, they discovered an antique shotgun and a 9 mm pistol that appear to be legal weapons.

There was no sign of the cop-killer bullets. Perhaps they are buried somewhere out in the desert, with Saddam's plutonium.

Given the overwhelming display of force deployed by Arpaio's deputies, one would have expected the arrest of a mass murderer.

Instead, the crack SWAT boys nabbed 26-year-old Eric Kush. Let me tell you, Kush is really a bad, bad guy.

He was wanted on a misdemeanor warrant for failing to appear in Tempe Municipal Court on a couple of traffic citations.

Thank God he's off the street. Well, not quite. He posted his $1,000 bond on the misdemeanor warrant and was quickly released from jail. "

[Winnow]

That's not too far away from me.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio is a nut job. He holds way too much power in this state.

[Fash]

Arpaio is fucking insane... He's praised as a model sheriff, but he's truly a psychotic control freak... I think it's disgusting.

[Al]

Something tells me we're only getting half of the story here, but the other half would need to be something like, "We had credible evidence that the entire standing army from the People's Republic of China was inside the home and planning an attack" to overcome the damage done in the name of justice by these law enforcement officials. I get the feeling this isn't the first blunder made by officers in this particular area.

To serve and protect, not harass and oppress.

edit: On a side note, what were they doing putting on body armor if they thought the people in the house had armor piercing bullets? Seems like an un-needed encumberance.

[Aslanna]

That puppy hated freedom and had to be put down.

edit: On a side note, what were they doing putting on body armor if they thought the people in the house had armor piercing bullets? Seems like an un-needed encumberance.

Better safe than sorry. I imagine some protection is better than none.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

It's a shame, but to think these folks are inoocent is silly. They felt they had reason to go in that way, turned out this time it was more force than was necessary. Better safe than sorry.

[Zaelath]

It's a shame, but to think these folks are inoocent is silly. They felt they had reason to go in that way, turned out this time it was more force than was necessary. Better safe than sorry.

Why in particular is it silly?

We've had cops raid entirely the wrong house then discharge shotguns in innocent people's faces before. What makes you think every government official is so infallible? Or do you just like to pretend to be a cock sucker to make for lively debate about what a cock sucker you are?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

It's a shame, but to think these folks are inoocent is silly. They felt they had reason to go in that way, turned out this time it was more force than was necessary. Better safe than sorry.

Why in particular is it silly?

We've had cops raid entirely the wrong house then discharge shotguns in innocent people's faces before. What makes you think every government official is so infallible? Or do you just like to pretend to be a cock sucker to make for lively debate about what a cock sucker you are?

I have little tolerance for criminals. Every time one of these biased, anti-cop, oh-woe-is-us stories comes out and the same idiots on this board act outraged and lash out against the evil cops, another story follows it days later with information showing these "victims" were anything but.

I choose to err on the side of the law. You choose to lash out against the law. That somehow makes me the cock sucker? Interesting.

[Sueven]

There is overwhelming evidence that SWAT teams raid the wrong house (that is, houses of totally innocent people) a significant amount of the time.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

There is overwhelming evidence that SWAT teams raid the wrong house (that is, houses of totally innocent people) a significant amount of the time.

uh-huh

good luck proving such a stupid statement.

[Al]

Mid should listen to this song and then read the story about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jc-0aqVfrE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Bailo_Diallo

I could cite cases of law enforcement blunders all day long, but the fact of the matter is, in their position, you cannot make a mistake. You must be absolutely certain what you are doing is the right thing to do because you are there to protect the innocent first and uphold the law second. Police officers should be trusted pillars of the community, not someone you don't want to see pull out of a driveway and follow you through town. I don't care if I'm not doing anything wrong. It doesn't matter, because they don't really need a reason to stop you.

And before it gets out of hand: Yes, Amadou should have stopped and identified himself properly when the police stopped him, but witnesses said they didn't know the four shooters were police officers until the uniformed officers arrived on the scene. It stands to reason that Amadou was unsure as well and thought he was being mugged.

edit: not SWAT, but definately not the right house... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9734Wn56i4A

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

You're both idiots. Expecting perfection from anything is the very definition of idiocy. Law enforcement can do it's best to not make mistakes, but there will always be mistakes. You're not worthy of conversation if you can't grasp that simple notion.

[Boogahz]

This guy's only crime was having a couple TRAFFIC CITATIONS. Are you arguing that he was enough of a criminal to warrant use of a SWAT team?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

This guy's only crime was having a couple TRAFFIC CITATIONS. Are you arguing that he was enough of a criminal to warrant use of a SWAT team?

Hindsight allows you to armchair quarterback this incident. The cops don't have that. They obviously didn't raid the home over traffic citations, did they? No. The answer is no.

[Aslanna]

You're both idiots.

Such irony.

You're not worthy of conversation if you can't grasp that simple notion.

You've proven that you're unable to comprehend simple notions over and over. And telling other people they are not worthy of conversation? Please. What surprises me is that they even bothered to respond to such obvious stupidity as your original post.

[Zaelath]

This guy's only crime was having a couple TRAFFIC CITATIONS. Are you arguing that he was enough of a criminal to warrant use of a SWAT team?

Hindsight allows you to armchair quarterback this incident. The cops don't have that. They obviously didn't raid the home over traffic citations, did they? No. The answer is no.

Nevermind, I forgot you need empathy to understand why it's really, really, really, wrong to raid the wrong house and fuck over an innocent man and that it's the kind of "mistake" you should only get to make once.

And no, they raided the house over non-existant firearms.

If you *really* think this is acceptible, how about you give me your full name and address* and I'll arrange for a few leaks that you have a stash of cop-killers under your kids bed. Then after the SWAT team trashes your house and seizes a freaking elmo doll, you can get back to me about how righteous and necessary it is for the cops to have such unfettered power and no accountability. Better safe than sorry, jackass!

*this is a hypothetical, for the slow in the class.

[Abelard]

Well, the article cited proves Sueven's point since it contains eye witness accounts. Midnyte, you're making excuses for the SWAT team members in question. You're using baseless speculations to defend your points. You're arm chairing the incident just as much as anybody else if you keep what I've said in mind.

The problem is if the SWAT team had just cause behind what they did, which going by the information at hand says that they didn't. I can understand why you would be willing to give them leeway, but its a citizen's duty to be willing to question police actions, because sometimes they are rotters. I think we all have stories about police abusing their power. I know I do, my ex is a constable. =)

There is overwhelming evidence that SWAT teams raid the wrong house (that is, houses of totally innocent people) a significant amount of the time.

uh-huh

good luck proving such a stupid statement.

[Sueven]

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476

LOL

This links proves jack shit to me. I don't care if small criminal scum bags get treated like felons. Criminals are criminals and are not worthy of my empathy. You keep wasting your time defending the criminals. /sigh

[Drinsic Darkwood]

Yeah, fuck these criminals. Traffic citations or murder, I don't care. They should've kept this shitbag and his family inside the fire with the dog. Fucking criminals.

Dick.

[Boogahz]

This guy's only crime was having a couple TRAFFIC CITATIONS. Are you arguing that he was enough of a criminal to warrant use of a SWAT team?

Hindsight allows you to armchair quarterback this incident. The cops don't have that. They obviously didn't raid the home over traffic citations, did they? No. The answer is no.

You're the dumbass that was going on about how much of a criminal this person was. Holy shit, I better get my speeding ticket from last Sunday dismissed before you have SWAT raid my place too!!!

[Xyun]

Wow midnyte. You are such a clueless fucking tool. You can't fucking differentiate between a misdemeanor and a felony? are you that fucking stupid? no seriously, do you even understand the fucking laws of this country? I can't decide if you are purposefully acting like a retard or if you just can't grasp elementary fucking concepts. For the amount of wisdom and intelligence you claim to have, you say some obscenely moronic shit. I mean for fuck's sake...

You asked for evidence, evidence was presented to you, and you (surprise!) ignore it in favor of idiocy and lunacy.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I have as much evidence the Swat team had every right to raid his house like that as you do evidence they didn't. You have one blog. So do I. You keep getting worked up, making your big hate filled statements, over exaggerations and hysterical nonsense. I'm getting a good chuckle over here while I enjoy the Giants vs Cowboys game.

[Xyun]

I don't care if small criminal scum bags get treated like felons. Criminals are criminals and are not worthy of my empathy.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I don't care if small criminal scum bags get treated like felons. Criminals are criminals and are not worthy of my empathy.

Do you have a fucking point to reqouting something I just typed 10 mins earlier? That is how I feel, yes. I fucking hate criminal scum. You want to grasp on to one blog sentence and think you know this one a young innocent man with just a traffic ticket or two.

I'll venture to guess he wasn't so pure. Fuck him. If it was a complete and utter mistake, then the couty should rebuild their home and buy them a dog.

[Spang]

Do you consider pirating music and movies off the internet criminal activity?

[Wulfran]

I have as much evidence the Swat team had every right to raid his house like that as you do evidence they didn't. You have one blog. So do I. You keep getting worked up, making your big hate filled statements, over exaggerations and hysterical nonsense. I'm getting a good chuckle over here while I enjoy the Giants vs Cowboys game.

Well the blog in question is pointing to a bad raid so the evidence presented is not in your favour (Winnow may have better access to local reports on this). No illegal weapons and ammunitions and one suspect with some traffic violations. In my country the police have to be accountable for their mistakes, just like anyone else does: I assume this is no different in the US. Police have to implement reasonable procedures governing the use of force, such as having reasonable cause to use it. Tear gas isn't a first contact tool for use when serving a warrant. A battering ram and body armour might be depending on the circumstances, but tear gas is used for dispersing of violent crowds or resolving a standoff. If it was used before the warrant was attempted to be served, the police are at the least guilty of poor judgement and possibly failing to follow proper procedures for the use of these tactics. Any responsible law enforcement organization should conduct its own review but in a case like this where there is massive property damage and civillians were placed in the jeopardy (a fire in a residential IS a danger, not to mention it destroys a lot of evidence the cops should be hoping to collect), should have a 3rd party (i.e. judicial type) hearing held.

At the end of the day, a badge and a gun shouldn't place you above the law: most police have the motto "to serve and protect" ro something similar not "kill em all and let God sort em out".

[Fash]

Do you consider pirating music and movies off the internet criminal activity?

I'm sure he selectively thinks that's ok... because it suits him.

It's shitty when hypocrites see something so black and white and forget just how gray they are.

[Sueven]

This links proves jack shit to me. I don't care if small criminal scum bags get treated like felons. Criminals are criminals and are not worthy of my empathy. You keep wasting your time defending the criminals. /sigh

The linked report also includes plenty of evidence of extensive wrong-door raids. These are the things you discover when you actually read the links that people provide.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Do you consider pirating music and movies off the internet criminal activity?

I'm sure he selectively thinks that's ok... because it suits him.

It's shitty when hypocrites see something so black and white and forget just how gray they are.

You're right I don't. I'm concerned with the criminals who harm others. Pot smokers, downloaders, software pirates, jaywalkers, speeders, and on and on....I don't consider them harming people with malicious intent. So no, I don't wish them to be raided. I do think we don't know the full story on this raid and it will eventually come out. Odds are the cops didn't raid a home they didn't think they had a reason to. I will side with the law. You fuckers go ahread and seize every opportunity to rise up and yell "INJUSTICE". It's sad, but predictable and enjoyable.

[Zaelath]

I think the above sums up the last 5 years of Mid's big picture theory.

So does this:

"It's pronounced learn'd, Pepe, learn'd." - Homer Simpson.

[Fash]

You fuckers go ahread and seize every opportunity to rise up and yell "INJUSTICE". It's sad, but predictable and enjoyable.

Law enforcement is comprised of human beings who are just as likely to be inept or corrupt as anyone else is, and they shouldn't have immunity from suspicion just because they're a cop instead of a doctor or burger-flipper.

It's not about rising up and yelling 'INJUSTICE'... it's about being able to see it and point it out... "hey, that's wrong... they should have done more recon on these people and perhaps approached it differently." We're not all frothing at the mouth shit-heads like you.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

You're not frothing at the mouth? The story is a day old. You have no facts. You have one story written by an obviously biased "reporter" (I use the term loosely) and you are going off. I will gladly take the opposite side. When all the facts are not in....and they aren't...I will side with the law over the criminal. When all the facts come out then we will have a chance to make a more informed decision.

[Dregor Thule]

Since when did you start caring about whether an article showed bias?

[Aslanna]

Since when did you start caring about whether an article showed bias?

Because it's not biased in his direction.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Since when did you start caring about whether an article showed bias?

Always. Troll. Always.

[Fash]

You're not frothing at the mouth? The story is a day old. You have no facts. You have one story written by an obviously biased "reporter" (I use the term loosely) and you are going off. I will gladly take the opposite side. When all the facts are not in....and they aren't...I will side with the law over the criminal. When all the facts come out then we will have a chance to make a more informed decision.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?... No one has even been charged, so they are doubly innocent at this point.

They had bad information, they basically used an army against an ant, caused the whole house to burn down and killed their pet... No one has the right to refer to these people as criminals, and you bet your ass people should be questioning the decisions of law enforcement in this instance.

I suppose it's too early to take either side definitively, but you could've said the same thing about OJ.

[Spang]

Certain professions in our society require more attention to detail than others. If I ask for a burger with no pickles and bite into the sandwich and taste pickles, it's not a big deal. I can remove the pickles myself, but if I go into surgery needing my left leg amputated and they amputate the right one instead, that's a big fuckin' deal. These police men officers ruined a person's home and killed their dog. That ain't right.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I suppose it's too early to take either side definitively, but you could've said the same thing about OJ.

But, O.J. is black.

[Hesten]

Do you consider pirating music and movies off the internet criminal activity?

I'm sure he selectively thinks that's ok... because it suits him.

It's shitty when hypocrites see something so black and white and forget just how gray they are.

You're right I don't. I'm concerned with the criminals who harm others. Pot smokers, downloaders, software pirates, jaywalkers, speeders, and on and on....I don't consider them harming people with malicious intent. So no, I don't wish them to be raided. I do think we don't know the full story on this raid and it will eventually come out. Odds are the cops didn't raid a home they didn't think they had a reason to. I will side with the law. You fuckers go ahread and seize every opportunity to rise up and yell "INJUSTICE". It's sad, but predictable and enjoyable.

Lets see, you are concerned with the criminals who harm others. Pot smokers, downloaders, software pirates,jaywalkers, speeders and on and on are harmless?

Let me quote from the article:

"He was wanted on a misdemeanor warrant for failing to appear in Tempe Municipal Court on a couple of traffic citations.

Just so we are on the same page here. You dont think that minor stuff like that matters. And the guy was wanted on a misdemeanor for traffic citatios. How doest that mix in with your other comments about the case? And i quote you:

This links proves jack shit to me. I don't care if small criminal scum bags get treated like felons. Criminals are criminals and are not worthy of my empathy. You keep wasting your time defending the criminals. sigh

So basically the whole "innocent till proven guilty" are wrong, anyone you suspect could even be a criminal its ok for the various law enforcements to burn down their homes (endangering all other homes nearby) and kill their pets intentionally by chasing it back into the fire?


As for your other great quote:

I'll venture to guess he wasn't so pure. Fuck him. If it was a complete and utter mistake, then the couty should rebuild their home and buy them a dog.

I REALLY hope that someday you will get to experience wrongdoings by the police, since you are utterly incapeable of caring for others.
How would you react if it wasnt yourself but your neighbour, EVEN if he was a a criminal, if the police showed up in front of you and your kids, didnt put on any kind of identification and basically behaved like any street gang, fired tear gas grenades into his house, managed to set it on fire, endangering your own house, AND then in front of your kids push a living puppy back into the fire and let it burn?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Still no news results on Google using the keywords"eric kush".

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I REALLY hope that someday you will get to experience wrongdoings by the police, since you are utterly incapeable of caring for others.

I'm so incapable of caring for others, I would never wish such a thing to happen to you, especially if you were just an innocent person victim of a rogue squadron of SWAT guys out to terrorize innocent folks.

[Boogahz]

Still no news results on Google using the keywords"eric kush".

Well, maybe you really SHOULD lrn2google

Then again, it IS a three year old story anyhow

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Still no news results on Google using the keywords"eric kush".

Well, maybe you really SHOULD lrn2google

Then again, it IS a three year old story anyhow

Maybe you really SHOULD learntoread. NEWS RESULTS. It's a feature on google. Check it out.

And back on topic...

WTF?

I was sorting by date and only looking for entries in the last 24 hours. I thought this was some new breaking story of an event that happened back in July. How the fuck is this a Current Event then?

Now since we know this is an old story....

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...R-tankZ14.html#
Ahwatukee peace shattered

SWAT called to nab suspect

Lindsey Collom
The Arizona Republic
Jul. 29, 2004 12:00 AM

Catherine J. Jun/The Arizona Republic

Julie Madrigal and her daughter sought shelter at a neighbor's when authorities executed a warrant in their neighborhood.

It could have been like any other summer day in the gated community of Fairway Hills.

Thick monsoon clouds wafted overhead. Children played in the sticky heat.

Julie Madrigal and her 9-year-old daughter made a quick trip to the video store. But after returning minutes later, the Madrigals found that their typically quiet Ahwatukee Foothills neighborhood looked more like a war zone.

The road leading to their home last week was strewn with yellow tape and a legion of Maricopa County Sheriff's Office personnel. And then there was the tank.

"Stay in your car," a voice boomed from inside the armored vehicle.

That's when a neighbor began waving frantically at the Madrigals to come inside her home.

"Get in the house, get in the house," said Madrigal, repeating her neighbor's words. "There's gunshots being fired."

Madrigal grabbed her daughter and ran into the house, all the while thinking the worst.

"I thought, 'Oh my god, we're going to get killed,' " she said. "I didn't know where the heck it was coming from. I'm shaking, a nervous wreck."

While they huddled in the neighbor's home, chaos swirled.

The MCSO SWAT team had been executing a search warrant at a home in the 16800 block of Cyan Court on behalf of the Las Vegas police. Nevada authorities named Eric Kush, 26, and Gabriel Golden, 28, as suspects in a burglary and armed robbery that involved the theft of several assault rifles, one or more semiautomatic pistols and armor-piercing ammunition. The two had been staying in the rental home with other tenants.

Golden was taken into custody that morning after meeting with his parole officer. He told police where to find Kush and warned that he was armed and had been acting erratically, according to a Sheriff's Office spokesman.

The SWAT team entered the home on Cyan Court about 12:30 p.m. and escorted a woman and young child found inside to safety while Kush barricaded himself on the second story. When he didn't respond to repeated commands to surrender, deputies launched several non-flammable gas canisters into the first level of the home, creating the sounds that neighbors thought were gunshots.

The gas did not deter Kush, who remained inside until deputies informed him that there was a fire on the second floor. Phoenix Fire Department officials say a candle in an upper-level bedroom sparked the blaze. "It's possible that a large dog they had there or one of the occupants of the house knocked it over," said Capt. Elby Bushong of Phoenix Fire Department. "The Sheriff's (deputies) never made it into the area where the fire started. There was absolutely no relation."

As Kush surrendered, the home burned, the flames consuming a large portion of the roof. Bushong estimated the damage at $250,000. He said it may be a total loss.

There was another casualty besides the home: Madrigal's 2001 Mitsubishi Mirage. It served as the final resting place for the SWAT tank that slid down a slope in the street when its engine was turned off.

County officials assured Madrigal that they would take full responsibility for the damages. The front end was crunched.

"My little baby, I just love my car," said Madrigal, adding, "I just want to get my car back."

The experience has left her somewhat rattled, but not as much as her daughter.

"She was crying and said, 'Mom, I don't want to live here anymore,' " Madrigal said. "She's slept with me before, but now she wants me to stay awake until she falls asleep.

"We thought that it was a real safe neighborhood, but I'll tell you what, I'm always looking over my shoulder now."

Maricopa County Sheriff's Office officials would not comment on where Kush and Golden are now but say the scope of the investigation has grown. Las Vegas police did not respond to a request for further information.

[Boogahz]

Still no news results on Google using the keywords"eric kush".

Well, maybe you really SHOULD lrn2google

Then again, it IS a three year old story anyhow

Maybe you really SHOULD learntoread. NEWS RESULTS. It's a feature on google. Check it out.

I'm sorry, maybe this will be easier for you

The age of the story didn't immediately stand out for me either.

[Fairweather Pure]

How the fuck is this a Current Event then?

Please show me the VV official operational definition of what constitutes "current".

As far as I know, this forum is used for any topic that is newsworthy. Date has never been an issue before.

Of all the things to bitch about...

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

How the fuck is this a Current Event then?

Please show me the VV official operational definition of what constitutes "current".

As far as I know, this forum is used for any topic that is newsworthy. Date has never been an issue before.

Of all the things to bitch about...

It would have been nice to know. Then maybe you idiots wouldn't have defended this assclown if you had more information to go on.

[Spang]

The police men officers killed a puppy!

[lmnt9]

Who gives a shit if they killed a pit-bull puppy anyway...

[Aslanna]

Saves Michael Vick from having to do it.

And honestly I don't know why people keep trying to engage Midnyte in intelligent conversation. The outcome is always the same.