Supermax

[Aabidano]

Couldn't decide whether this should be in General, Movies/DVD/TV or General, so here you go.

I was channel surfing and ran across a show about the Supermax prisons in the US and their equivalents elsewhere, 2nd or 3rd I've seen on the subject.

Every time I've left with the feeling of why do we keep these people alive? It's inhumane to them and to the people who have to supervise them. I'm not talking about the Bundys, Kazinskis and drug lords who are there, I'm talking about the other 98% of the population. The psychotics and sociopaths who we just can't do anything with for whatever reason. I'm talking about the ones who are there because they couldn't function in society and were incarcerated, an couldn't function in that society either so are now locked up like animals for the rest of their miserable lives. The average inmate cannot go straight there, it's a trip taken via numerous other institutions.

They aren't there for punishment, reform or for anything else, there's no chance or intention of them ever being free again and worst of all they know it. They're there because they are a danger to themselves everyone around them and always will be. More then one said they go to sleep every night hoping they won't wake up, it's secure enough that they don't even have the means to kill themselves.

Lots of reasons they're where they are, our justice system is broken in many respects. But holy crap, just let them die.

Discuss!

[Somali]

Supermax one of the places that people go when they have no chance of parole irrespective of circumstances?

[Aabidano]

Supermax one of the places that people go when they have no chance of parole irrespective of circumstances?

It's a little more than that, these are the ones that repeatedly attack guards and other inmates, leaders of in-prison gangs, those who injure themselves, etc...

In Supermax prisons, prisoners are generally allowed out of their cells for only an hour a day; often they are kept in solitary confinement. They receive their meals through "food ports" ("bean holes") in the doors of their cells. Prisoners are given no work and very little access to leisure activities, though some categories of prisoners are allowed to have a television. When Supermax inmates are allowed to exercise, this may take place in a small, enclosed area where the prisoner will exercise alone.

Prisoners are under constant surveillance, usually with closed-circuit television cameras. Cell doors are usually opaque, while the cells may be windowless. Conditions are spartan, with poured concrete or metal furniture common. Often cell walls, and sometimes plumbing, are soundproofed to prevent communication between the inmates.

[Somali]

In that case, I say find an island that is somewhere in the middle of no where (out of reach of normal travel) and dump them there (Airdrop, no need to land, no raft, they should land "close"). No food no water, just the parachute they rode in on, let them fight for coconuts. if they manage to fashion a raft and get to civilization, then pick them up and airdrop them back "near" the island, maybe within 50ish miles. (again, no raft) Maybe drop them a food crate so they can all become gardeners if they manage to reform themselves.

[cadalano]

the last time someone tried to do that it caused Australia.. never again.

[Neziroth]

the last time someone tried to do that it caused Australia.. never again.

Nice line lol, I laughed =)

It's really a dilemma of being human (or humane) when it comes to people like that. A lot of other animal species exile or kill eachother if they can't function in their setting, and I'm willing to bet humans will get to that point eventually -- when prisons are full and overpopulation becomes an issue.

I'm willing to bet Euthanasia / Death Penalty will be a very common practice sometime in the next 60 years, for the sickly, elderly who can't take care of themselves, and prisoners who have no hope of changing their ways.

[Somali]

I was thinking a slightly smaller island. One which could become quickly overcrowded with limited food supplies. They could take care of the offing of other prisoners all by themselves.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Escape from New York FTW!

I could see it going that way at some point as society really gets tired of dealing with these people. We might actually be better served in doing forced military service for most non-capital offenses. A 10 year government served term where they can be deployed across the country to use as border agents, emergency response teams, disaster teams, etc. It seems to be a complete waste to have these people being useless and sucking up taxpayer funds. Stiffen prison sentences, start frying the real problems, and begin military rehabilitation of these clowns wh have absolutely zero discipline. Maybe they will actually begin to take some pride and have a way to make themselves real humans.

[Somali]

Nah escape from new York they still had access to technology right?

I was thinking something more like Gilligans Island. Alternatively, we could pull the scientists out of Antarctica and then dump prisoners there. Penguins, Walruses and Lion Seals for you bitches. Have a nice day. Good luck keeping warm. Hope you watched some movies about how to build an igloo. I still vote for the air drop btw. No point in touching down a plane that could be taken over by a mass of half frozen, half dead prisoners. I suppose the issue is that it means of escape would be accessible to prisoners with enough funds. Then again, I'm guessing that if they were airdropped in the Arctic Winter, they may be popsicled by the time their friends find them.

Alternative: Airdropped (from a cargo plane) at 200ft, 15 miles out in the nearest ocean (no chute). You live, then it was meant to be and you get your second chance at life. Note the issue here is not the 15 miles out; its the airdrop from 200ft. 15 miles out is just to make sure it was meant to be. Swim that far with some broken bones and you deserve your chance at life.

[Boogahz]

Just build a new prison on top of the old one...without evacuating it first

[Somali]

Haha Booghaz. Then we have to pay for the prison to be built. I'm thinking rigging a cargo plane with a Hydrualic system and a wall to push the prisoners out would be less expensive. How costly can it be to load up 50-60 people at a time, fly out over the ocean and push em out?

[Somali]

I suppose the argument there would be its more expensive than a bullet.