who would win

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 9, 2003, 11:13 pm

hmm id say bruce lee, but would be fun as fuck to watch those 2 styles collide, and no i cant spell for shit

Gaklek · Post by **Gaklek** » January 10, 2003, 12:37 am

Even tho Ali has Parkinsons' I'd still put OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of money on him being able to kick the crap out of Bruce Lee's rotting corpse.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 10, 2003, 1:03 am

Surprised I found a bobblehead doll of ali.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » January 10, 2003, 1:05 am

So what exactly is included in the "no shit" rule?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » January 10, 2003, 6:52 am

If you matched them up at their prime I don't think Ali would have been able to lay a finger on Lee.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » January 10, 2003, 7:09 am

I think Bruce Lee would win this one. Ali had fists of rock sure, but Bruce Lee basically uses his entire body as a weapon, swift boot to the head for Ali.

Abelard · Post by **Abelard** » January 10, 2003, 8:06 am

Lee would destroy Mohammed.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » January 10, 2003, 8:17 am

I don't think people realize just how fucking fast Ali was back in his heyday.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » January 10, 2003, 8:18 am

hmm, actor whose every fight was choreographed vs. one of the best heavy weight boxers. Tough call.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » January 10, 2003, 8:44 am

To explain away Lee as a choreographed actor is just ignorant. Watch the footage of him training and sparring especially from the early years - it's almost supernatural.
I'm well aware of how fast Ali was but I still think Lee was faster and you can't beat what you can't hit

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » January 10, 2003, 12:16 pm

Lee > Ali

First of all, there's a reason you've never seen a boxer win an Ultimate Fighting Championship. Boxing only works when someone stands toe-to-toe with you. How are you gonna upper-cut someone who is foot-sweeping you? How can you jab someone who is 2 inches from you? I don't think it's a quickness issue as much as it is a fighting-style issue. In all honesty, grappling > all else IMO.

Second, his momma called him Clay, I'm gonna call him Clay.

-Shae

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 10, 2003, 12:22 pm

Lee would definately win, karate is a superior fighting style to boxing.

Didn't Ali lose to a kick boxer in the early '70s?

Zintren · Post by **Zintren** » January 10, 2003, 12:34 pm

Lee would dystroy ali. Atleast thats what i think anyways.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 10, 2003, 1:36 pm

Seriously no contest here. Bruce Lee would win. Ali would have to take Lee to the floor and choke him out to win and I don't think Ali has any wrestling skills.

I can't stand fake WWF wrestling but I do watch Ultimate Fighting on DirecTV when I happen to see them and my Access Card hack is up and running : ) Watching the "no rules" fighting in the octagon contests really shows what it takes to win a fight. The big guys don't win unless they get lucky punches...they usually get choked out or lose due to submission to pressure points.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » January 10, 2003, 1:38 pm

sigh. . .

To call Lee's fighting style "Karate" is as insulting as it is inaccurate.

Karate = japanese
Lee = Kung Fu = chinese. After mastering several classic styles he created his own. Jeet Kune Do - the way of the intercepting fist.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 10, 2003, 1:39 pm

has anybody actually seen Bruce Lee fight a person in a real fight?

cause i've seen video of Ali putting a beat down on some people. additionally, ali would only have to hit him once, and could probably take quite a bit of punishment.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 10, 2003, 1:43 pm

Pure speculation on my part, but I'd bet that Bruce Lee did some sparring against real people, and as such had to be able to take a punch (or kick or whatever) somewhat. Even though Ali probably hit like a ton of bricks, how much harder do you think he could punch than someone could kick? My guess is that Bruce wouldn't go down in one punch.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » January 10, 2003, 1:46 pm

Shaerra wrote:Lee > Ali

First of all, there's a reason you've never seen a boxer win an Ultimate Fighting Championship. Boxing only works when someone stands toe-to-toe with you. How are you gonna upper-cut someone who is foot-sweeping you? How can you jab someone who is 2 inches from you? I don't think it's a quickness issue as much as it is a fighting-style issue. In all honesty, grappling > all else IMO.

Second, his momma called him Clay, I'm gonna call him Clay.

-Shae

Grappling beats striking. Combo of both is best, which is why UFC stinks now- everyone knows everything so there's no more specialists. Boxing beats karate (or whatever) for striking, especially the best heavyweight to ever put on the gloves. You can't foot sweep a boxer. You certainly couldn't even come close to sweeping Ali. Some 5'10 150 martial artist would break his fist/foot on a boxer's skull. Boxers have paramount striking defense. As someone who has 8 years of Tae Kwon Do training, i wouldn't even think of taking on a boxer. The most notable martial artist probably wouldn't want to take on the most notable heavyweight boxer either.

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » January 10, 2003, 1:46 pm

Didn't Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris do an exhibition fight?

Maybe I'm 100% wrong, but I thought they did, and I thought it was filmed...

-Shae

Mort · Post by **Mort** » January 10, 2003, 1:53 pm

Chuck Lidell (Iceman - UFC) is from my small little town. He used to bartend at my favorite hangout. He a damn nice guy believe it or not. It's pretty fucking weird when a small hometown boy goes BIGTIME. All those years of getting picked on, now he beats ass for a living......

http://www.chuckliddell.com/

Sorry for derail

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » January 10, 2003, 1:55 pm

Chidoro wrote:Grappling beats striking. Combo of both is best, which is why UFC stinks now- everyone knows everything so there's no more specialists. Boxing beats karate (or whatever) for striking, especially the best heavyweight to ever put on the gloves. You can't foot sweep a boxer. You certainly couldn't even come close to sweeping Ali. Some 5'10 150 martial artist would break his fist/foot on a boxer's skull. Boxers have paramount striking defense. As someone who has 8 years of Tae Kwon Do training, i wouldn't even think of taking on a boxer. The most notable martial artist probably wouldn't want to take on the most notable heavyweight boxer either.

Well, in The Princess Bride, Westley beat Fezzik by usin' his smarts.

-Shae

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 10, 2003, 2:05 pm

I take back it being no contest as Ali was pretty good at the rope-a-dope.

Ali was fast for a heavy weight boxer but that's slow motion when compared to smaller boxers.

It would be a great fight to watch unless it turned into a wrestling match.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » January 10, 2003, 2:17 pm

Shaerra wrote:
Well, in The Princess Bride, Westley beat Fezzik by usin' his smarts.

-Shae

Oh, well in the case

miir · Post by **miir** » January 10, 2003, 2:19 pm

Aaeamdar wrote:hmm, actor whose every fight was choreographed vs. one of the best heavy weight boxers. Tough call.

WTF?
Bruce Lee was not an actor.
He was a martial artist who happened to make some movies.

Anyway, if both were in their heyday, Bruce Lee would be a hands down winner... for the simple fact that Kung-Fu/Wing Chun is a much more complete discipline than boxing.

Ali could punch and defend against punches, there's no doubt about that... but facing an asenal of kicks, holds, chops/punches and counters in martial arts, he would have no defense.

Martial arts teaches defense against all different types of attacks and someone with the agility and mobility of Bruce Lee would be impossible to hit by a heavyweight like Ali.

No disrepect to Ali but a Pugilist vs. Martial Artist is like a B1 vs F15

Gaklek · Post by **Gaklek** » January 10, 2003, 3:21 pm

Have any of you ever seen the pseudo-documentary "When we were kings"? There is a certain part when they are showing George Foreman (in his prime) working out on a 250 pound heavy bag(after already having to replace the standard 200 pound bag because he was tearing them up too fast).. He was hitting that bag with so much force that it was lifting his trainer off the ground while he was trying to hold it steady. He was going thru a heavy bag every two or three days - literaly tearing them to shreads.

Ali took those punches from Foreman until Foreman couldn't throw them anymore. He stood there and let George beat on him with every ounce of strength he could muster round after round. Then he stood up pushed him off and knocked his ass out.

For all of you that think Lee would win hands down, you better think again. Ali may not have been as quick, and he may not have been as spry. But he could take a beating and he could dish some damage. Its a toss up imo, either one could get a lucky shot in. Stage this fight 10 times, I bet they would have split 5-5.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 10, 2003, 3:32 pm

That's true Gak but unless they were boxing rules, Ali couldn't sit there and cover up and take blows...Lee would be busting his kneecaps, the arch of is foot or going for the choke with his speed.

It would be a great series of fights and nothing is a sure thing as one solid punch from Ali would do serious damage.

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » January 10, 2003, 3:34 pm

miir wrote:No disrepect to Ali but a Pugilist vs. Martial Artist is like a B1 vs F15

This is how I see it as well. Good example.

-Shae

Gordiken the Wicked · January 10, 2003, 3:34 pm

Royce Gracie, the UFC Brazilian Jujitsu guy would beat the everlasting fuck out of both of them without having to try.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » January 10, 2003, 3:54 pm

Like Gak said, just watch the old tapes of him fighting back in the day. You would never ever believe a guy that size could move like that. He wasn't your flat-footed rock chin heavyweight like that russian monster that has been tearing up the ranks these days.

Edit: Royce fights were just amazing. Legendary really

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » January 10, 2003, 4:14 pm

Gordiken the Wicked wrote:Royce Gracie, the UFC Brazilian Jujitsu guy would beat the everlasting fuck out of both of them without having to try.

ANY Gracie would beat the everlasting fuck out of both of them without having to try. Even the 12 year old was a bad ass.

-Shae

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 10, 2003, 6:15 pm

Bruce Lee wasn't just an actor. He was a world champion martial artist that developed his own style that is still one of the world's most popular arts.

Ali would probably beat him in a structured bout, but probably would lose in a more street fight-type fight. Although I can't believe this is actually being debated.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 10, 2003, 6:38 pm

Ali was VERY graceful in his youth. He had very quick feet, and even tho he wasn't trained to kick, he was agile. Even in a street fight, I'd put money on Ali to weather the initial flurry that Bruce was known for, use his mobility to keep away from the kicks, and pound away.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » January 10, 2003, 6:39 pm

I chose Spiderman because he has spider senses.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 10, 2003, 6:53 pm

Green Lantern

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 10, 2003, 6:54 pm

Chidoro wrote:Like Gak said, just watch the old tapes of him fighting back in the day. You would never ever believe a guy that size could move like that.

I saw an Ali fight in person. Ali vs Holmes. Holmes kicked the shit out of him but then again it was Ali's last comeback attempt so I didn't get to see him in his prime.

After the fight, I remember running into Tony Danza in the mad crush of people entering Caesar's Palace to gamble or collect winnings. He's short...like Charles Bronson short. I was pretty young at the time and was still taller than him. Bruce Lee > Tony Danza

Anyway, the next time I saw Ali was quite a few years later in a mall bookstore...he was sitting by himself...no line...waiting to sign his book for people. It was sorta sad to see. I didn't buy his book though as I was a Larry Holmes fan. : ) A little while after that, he regained his popularity a bit. It's a shame his condition doesn't allow him to speak as he seemed pretty entertaining in his prime.

Bruce > Ali

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 10, 2003, 7:41 pm

Charles Bronson is six feet tall.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 10, 2003, 7:49 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:Charles Bronson is six feet tall.

That's short : ) And Chuck is 5'11"

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 10, 2003, 8:00 pm

That isn't short. Are you stupid?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 10, 2003, 8:23 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:That isn't short. Are you stupid?

Short is anything I want it to be. Is there a fucking guideline to shortness? Quit adding inches to people. The way you liberally add numbers to things your fiance is probably up to a whopping 3 inches now in your fantasies.

I don't care about any national averages either so hold onto those statistics.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 10, 2003, 8:30 pm

what in the name of all that is holy are you talking about?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 10, 2003, 8:31 pm

bananas

noel · Post by **noel** » January 10, 2003, 8:33 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:what in the name of all that is holy are you talking about?

Seconded.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 10, 2003, 8:33 pm

how could you not care about averages? Averages are what we human beings use to discern abnormalities in things. ie. a person who is over the average would be taller, and a person who is under would be shorter. What fucking bizzare stupidity do you use?

Every time you post you look more and more stupid.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 10, 2003, 8:46 pm

I wasn't relating it to averages and I mentioned Charles Bronson who is the exact same height as Tony Danza in my thread for comparison. Get a grip on yourself. He was short to me. You don't know my height thus Charles Bronson was used for comparison.

Jeeze. Your the one that pumped up Charle's height as if it mattered.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 10, 2003, 9:00 pm

oh sorry bronson is 5'11, not 6 feet. WHOA SORRY I DON'T WHAT CAME OVER ME OVERBLOWING IT LIKE THAT.

Yeah 5'11 is really really short. And you're not a stupid fucking moron at all. Please post more often because I really enjoy it when you do.

Millie · Post by **Millie** » January 10, 2003, 10:07 pm

Trying to make sense of a Winnow post is an exercise in futility.

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » January 10, 2003, 10:12 pm

Millie wrote:Trying to make sense of a Winnow post is an exercise in futility.

Then thank Winnow for providing you the only exercise you've seen in years.

-Shae

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 10, 2003, 10:51 pm

Millie wrote:Trying to make sense of a Winnow post is an exercise in futility.

Makes sense to me. kyoukan has an issue with what I determined as short with relation to myself, even with references for comparison. There's only so much you can do help the statistically challenged.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 10, 2003, 11:12 pm

what the fuck is the matter with you are you pretending to be stupid in order to get into fights with people?

I'm just under 5 feet tall. I don't go around calling people who are 5'6 tall because 5'6 is not a tall person. People on the internet don't know how tall I am and even if they did, calling somebody tall in relation to myself makes no sense because people have no frame of reference.

You can't seriously be this dumb.

Millie · Post by **Millie** » January 10, 2003, 11:19 pm

Shaerra wrote:
Millie wrote:Trying to make sense of a Winnow post is an exercise in futility.
Then thank Winnow for providing you the only exercise you've seen in years.

-Shae

I'm a track runner, you idiot. I've probably seen more exercise in the last few years than you've seen in your lifetime.

VeeshanVault

who would win

Who would win in a one on one brawl, no rules sides no hairpulling or eye goudging and shit

who would win

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