A-Rod? More like A-Hole

miir · Post by **miir** » May 31, 2007, 10:47 am

I guess resorting to bush league tactics is the only way the Yankees can win a game these days.
What a class-act.

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/sports/070531/s053113A.html

I saw multiple replays and he clearly yelled 'MINE' as he ran past the Jay's 3rd baseman.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » May 31, 2007, 10:59 am

Too bad they were already winning.

noel · Post by **noel** » May 31, 2007, 11:02 am

miir wrote:I guess resorting to bush league tactics is the only way the Yankees can win a game these days.

Pretty much.

They might have been winning at the time, but that doesn't mean much as bad as the Yankees have been playing lately.

A-Rod has always been one to resort to whatever non-baseball play he can think of to make a play. This is at least the third incident I can think of offhand, and the second this season. The sad part is that he's really the only thing the Yankees have going when he's making actual baseball plays.

I hope the money is worth it for the Rocket because 'the money' is all he's getting this year.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » May 31, 2007, 11:15 am

As noel said, this isn't the first (or last) time A-Rod has pulled shit like this.

The most memorable was the '05 ALCS on the way to first base. That was seriously some little league shit right there. I see that kind of stuff in the 6-7 year old league.

It boggles my mind how fans here in Texas have completely forgotten the things he said while here in Texas, and have selected him as baseball god again. Then again, that's baseball fans in Texas for you, as fairweather as they get.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » May 31, 2007, 11:29 am

You're right, it shouldn't matter if you are winning or not. I don't think anyone is buying his excuse though. He should of just admitted it.

The replay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUxNUk0CAZg

Post game interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iErO9MZclDc

miir · Post by **miir** » May 31, 2007, 11:35 am

Lynks wrote:Too bad they were already winning.

If Clark made the catch, the inning would have been over with the score 7-5.
It's a lot less daunting to mount a comeback when you're 2 runs down.
They had already come back from a 5 run deficit.

But that's not really the point.
I expect that Arod will get drilled a few times the next time the Jays and Yankees meet.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 31, 2007, 11:46 am

Lynks wrote:I don't think anyone is buying his excuse though. He should of just admitted it.

LOL yea, doesn't he know that the games are televised and they had about 5 different angles of him shouting MINE when he was right behind the 3rd baseman?

I mean, maybe he also shouted "HAH" when he was "almost past 3rd base" and completely forgot about shouting 'MINE' when he was 15 feet from 3rd... You can't really expect him to remember exactly what happened 20 minutes ago.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » May 31, 2007, 11:50 am

if you can get that distracted that easily, than you deserve to miss the ball. It's done in every professional sport. Guys shout on the ice, on the court, on the pitch, everywhere. I say tough shit, pay more attention

noel · Post by **noel** » May 31, 2007, 11:53 am

Way to be a NY/A-Rod apologist. Here's a hint: You're not a major league baseball player, nor will you ever be. So if there are baseball players saying it was a bush league play, you'll have to excuse me if I take their opinion over yours.

He was probably just helping that blond woman find her room too.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » May 31, 2007, 11:56 am

so you're saying that it doesn't happen in all sports? I'm sure you'll find major league baseball players who don't give a shit. you just happen to agree with the ones that apparently do.

and i'm not sure what supposedly cheating on a wife has to do with distracting an opponent, but feel free to throw more useless words on the board if you like

noel · Post by **noel** » May 31, 2007, 12:00 pm

Chidoro wrote:so you're saying that it doesn't happen in all sports?

I'm saying I don't play MLB, and therefore I don't know what is and is not acceptable within the game. If A-Rod wants to do whatever he deems necessary to win, more power to him. God knows the Yankees need it BADLY. That said if he's going to do whatever he wants, and MLB players are going to say he's a little bitch, he'll have to live with that too.

Chidoro wrote:I'm not sure what supposedly cheating has to do with distracting an opponent, but feel free to throw more useless words on the board if you like

What the fuck are you talking about?

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » May 31, 2007, 12:02 pm

you should read your own posts if you don't know what i'm talking about. pretty straightforward stuff really

noel · Post by **noel** » May 31, 2007, 12:06 pm

Actually, this thread is about A-Rod being an A-Hole in general, so the reference to his alleged infidelity is right on topic.

It's clear that your Yankee fanboiism is getting in the way of your ability to think in this thread, so I'll be sure to discount anything else you have to say moving forward.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » May 31, 2007, 12:15 pm

make sure you stamp your feet, shout loudly, and cover your ears like a baby then.

it is done in all sports and if you deny that you're just trying to be crotchety. you sided with some players on the losing team stating that it was bush(busch?) league. i think that if you're a pro, you shouldn't be so easily distracted. do you think a catcher is just sitting back telling a batter what the traffic was like getting to the stadium?

miir · Post by **miir** » May 31, 2007, 12:21 pm

Chidoro wrote:if you can get that distracted that easily, than you deserve to miss the ball. It's done in every professional sport. Guys shout on the ice, on the court, on the pitch, everywhere. I say tough shit, pay more attention

Hockey, basketball and football are a lot different than baseball.
In those sports you're playing amongst the other team and there's a lot of yapping going on. It's part of the game.

The 3rd baseman was under the ball, concentrating on making the catch.
The only thing they should be paying attention to is the ball and if the shortstop makes a call for the ball. A-Hole waited until he was exactly inbetween the SS and the 3b to make the MINE call.
Now if you're a 3b setting up under a pop in SS territory and you hear someone call MINE from the exact position you expect the SS to be, what do you do?

Do you disregard the call and make the catch or do you do what you're supposed to do and pull up and let the SS make the catch?

Was he supposed to take his eye off the ball, turn around and ask the SS if he called for it?

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » May 31, 2007, 12:27 pm

miir wrote:
Chidoro wrote:if you can get that distracted that easily, than you deserve to miss the ball. It's done in every professional sport. Guys shout on the ice, on the court, on the pitch, everywhere. I say tough shit, pay more attention
Hockey, basketball and football are a lot different than baseball.
In those sports you're playing amongst the other team and there's a lot of yapping going on. It's part of the game.

In football, if a player (other than the quarterback) makes any sort of noise to "trick" the other team into going offsides, or false starting, there is a penalty (10 yards either way i believe).

noel · Post by **noel** » May 31, 2007, 12:28 pm

Am I speaking Greek or something? I stopped playing baseball in high-school, so I don't know what is and isn't acceptable in the Major Leagues. I do have eyes, ears, and reading comprehension and this is the THIRD time that I (a VERY casual baseball watcher) can recall A-Rod doing something that other MLB PLAYERS have called a BUSH league play. Since MLB Player's opinions about baseball plays > My opinions about baseball plays, I'll defer to them.

bush league
noun
a minor league of a professional sport, esp.
baseball : [as adj. ] their bush league image.

adjective (bush-league) informal
not of the highest quality or sophistication;
second-rate.

See also: A-Rod

Truant · Post by **Truant** » May 31, 2007, 12:31 pm

Chidoro wrote:do you think a catcher is just sitting back telling a batter what the traffic was like getting to the stadium?

"Charlie...here comes the duece, and when you speak of me, speak well."

Chidoro, sure it happens in all sports, but it's still considered bad sportsmanship. You can say that sportsmanship doesn't matter, just winning/losing or whatever old argument there is...but it's still there. It was a cheap shot/low blow/whatever term you want to use. Should the 3rd baseman have been more aware? Probably. Was it a shitty thing to do regardless? Yeah

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » May 31, 2007, 1:07 pm

I'm not a baseball fan or a Jays fan. I don't follow it at all, but I checked this out after I heard about the uproar. (Bull Durham is awesome though! Great quote Captain Bokbok)

Now that the disclaimer is out of the way, here's my 2 cents

a) Rogers (the guys in the U-Tube movie) are contractually bound to the Jays thus the impartiality of the comentators is not guaranteed. If I remember right Rogers Communications might actually own the Jays. The comentators calling it a bush league play is somewhat subjective in this light, whether they are former players or not. The Yankees coverage may have spun that a completely different way. To be honest Canadian sports coverage as a whole is favourable to the Jays as Canada's only MLB team and bolstered by the fact that all the major media outlets are based in Toronto thus most of what we see up here has some degree of spin.

b) The above being said, look at a mirror and say both "Hah" as A-Rod claims and "Mine" as the Jays claim. Your face takes on a different shape even with those 2 one syllable words. IMO A-Rod's face in the replay looked more like a "mine" face than than a "hah". This IS important because if he did say "mine" under baseball's definition of interference he was guilty and should have been called out by the ump. This definition is from the baseball rule book:

INTERFERENCE (a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter- runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. Rule 2.00 (Interference)

The shit about "this is the bigs and he should know how to concentrate" is just that. If the 3rd baseman thought the ball was being called by his shortstop, as the commentators alluded to, then he is supposed to let it go. It was A-Rod's yell that triggered that and thus it is interference accirding to the definition: it caused confusion for the fielders.

They're already down 7-5 in a game that ends 10-5, so I don't think this is a game altering play. Yeah its easier to come back on smaller deficits blah blah blah but they didn't, and showed no other signs of another rally. In the end it should be a moot point: the rules should be enforced as stringently in a blowout as a close game. Now its up to the Commissioner if action is taken against A-Rod and the Ump that allowed his antic. I wonder if the Jays pitchers bean him in the next game(s), if anything happens, especially as much as even his teammates supposedly love this guy...

noel · Post by **noel** » May 31, 2007, 1:31 pm

Considering the Yankees don't even have his back:

Joe Torre wrote:I don't know what to feel for it...

Johnny Damon wrote:I wasn't sure that was allowed...

You can probably just concede that you're wrong and back out of this thread now.

I'm sure you'll troll my posts and jump me somewhere else in the near future, so I'll be seeing you soon.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » May 31, 2007, 2:32 pm

i thought you were going to ignore me schnookems

it's not as if anyone is going to openly back the action, they will just be cryptic in their response if it doesn't mean anything to them. but your closing statement as if it was a irrefutable was cute.

Hockey, basketball and football are a lot different than baseball.
In those sports you're playing amongst the other team and there's a lot of yapping going on. It's part of the game.

The 3rd baseman was under the ball, concentrating on making the catch.
The only thing they should be paying attention to is the ball and if the shortstop makes a call for the ball. A-Hole waited until he was exactly inbetween the SS and the 3b to make the MINE call.
Now if you're a 3b setting up under a pop in SS territory and you hear someone call MINE from the exact position you expect the SS to be, what do you do?

miir, the third baseman was under the ball. SS territory is really debateable when looking at it, especially since it was a right handed batter at the plate. If you are under the ball, you call the guy off. The kid screwed up plain and simple. I'd also like to point out there there is a ton of yapping in baseball. There is a ton of downtime in baseball, and where there's downtime, there's yapping.

Tru, yeah you could say it may have been unsportsmanlike and he probably will be beaned when they face each other again. You could even call him an asshole for doing it or having poor judgement by doing it. I'll just say that it happens a lot more than the yankee hater nation would like to believe and that the kid should have caught the ball regardless. A pro should never fall for a "bush" league tactic.

Wulf, I wouldn't take that classification so seriously. Sliding hard into 2nd, knocking over the catcher, and blocking the catchers view of a 3rd base runner trying to steal home like the Jays did the night before are examples of interference based on that strict definition

Kilap · Post by **Kilap** » May 31, 2007, 3:03 pm

Where's the outrage over this guy?
http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/conten ... esweb.html

He even admitted to doing it.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 31, 2007, 3:03 pm

SS territory is really debateable when looking at it, especially since it was a right handed batter at the plate.

It's not debatable at all.
The 3rd baseman's priority is to cover the line and the bag.
If the SS is in a position to make a play, they can and should take ownership of it.

The kid screwed up plain and simple

He didn't screw up at all.
The pop was in SS territory, it was his call to make.
If the SS had called MINE and he stuck with it, THAT would have been a screw up.

And the player in question, Howie Clark... is not a kid. He's not some pimple faced rookie who makes stupid mistakes. He's been a professional baseball player for over 15 years. This kid is older and has been playing professional baseball longer than A-Hole.

I'll just say that it happens a lot more than the yankee hater nation

I personally do not hate the Yankees at all. Jeter is one on my favorites of all time.
I've really enjoyed the Sox/Jays/Yankees rivalries over the years.

the kid should have caught the ball regardless.

The kid knows how to play third base a fuck of a lot better than you.
You have zero credibility trying to tell us how a professional baseball player should properly be doing their job.

A pro should never fall for a "bush" league tactic.

So I guess Arroyo should have never let A-Hole smack the ball out of his glove either... he's a pro, after all.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 31, 2007, 3:12 pm

Sliding hard into 2nd, knocking over the catcher, and blocking the catchers view of a 3rd base runner trying to steal home like the Jays did the night before are examples of interference based on that strict definition

Sliding hard into any base where a tag has to be applied and control of the ball maintained is a key element of the game. There are a multitude of rules that apply to that specific play.

If a batter is standing in their designated area (the batters box), it's not possible for them to be illegally blocking anyone's view... Where the hell else are they supposed to be standing?

Where's the outrage over this guy?
http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/conten ... esweb.html

He even admitted to doing it.

I dunno, why don't you start a thread about it?
This one is about arod.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » May 31, 2007, 3:18 pm

miir wrote:
The kid screwed up plain and simple
He didn't screw up at all.
The pop was in SS territory, it was his call to make.
If the SS had called MINE and he stuck with it, THAT would have been a screw up.

And the player in question, Howie Clark... is not a kid. He's not some pimple faced rookie who makes stupid mistakes. He's been a professional baseball player for over 15 years. This kid is older and has been playing professional baseball longer than A-Hole.

Heh, I've got a number of years on him, it's all relative

The kid knows how to play third base a fuck of a lot better than you.
You have zero credibility trying to tell us how a professional baseball player should properly be doing their job.

You're joking right? Why is there a sports forum. Everyone is an armchair QB or 3B in this case. I know you've seen the video (MLB must have recently stripped it due to copyright garbage), he really was not in SS territory in a standard position setup, and when you add the right handed shift as well as having to play deep to prevent the guy on 2nd scoring on the hit and run and you can forget it. There is no way you could convince me that the kid shouldn't have caught the ball.

So I guess Arroyo should have never let A-Hole smack the ball out of his glove either... he's a pro, after all.

That was an obstruction call and called as such. The only thing these two instances have in common is the culprit.

noel · Post by **noel** » May 31, 2007, 3:25 pm

Chidoro wrote:Heh, I've got a number of years on him, it's all relative

He's got more years on you being a PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER. How is your age relevant to this discussion?!?

It was a bush league play just like it was a bush league play when A-Rod took a swipe at Bronson Arroyo in the ALCS a few years back. A-Rod IS a GREAT player, but these idiotic slaps at balls, trying to spike second basemen, or yelling 'Mine' are all cheap, shitty ways to play and the main reason people have so little respect for him.

Derek Jeter would NEVER, EVER do something like this. We'd NEVER even be having this discussion about Jeter.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » May 31, 2007, 3:34 pm

miir wrote:If a batter is standing in their designated area (the batters box), it's not possible for them to be illegally blocking anyone's view... Where the hell else are they supposed to be standing?

Not just that, if the hitter was in the box blocking the view, he would also be blocking his own teammate from sliding it.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » May 31, 2007, 3:38 pm

miir wrote:Sliding hard into any base where a tag has to be applied and control of the ball maintained is a key element of the game. There are a multitude of rules that apply to that specific play.

If a batter is standing in their designated area (the batters box), it's not possible for them to be illegally blocking anyone's view... Where the hell else are they supposed to be standing?

he was blocking the view of the catcher way after the guy started running and didn't clear the box until posada basically pushed him out. you can lol and rofl all you like but the play could be frowned upon if i'm following the strict letter of the law

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » May 31, 2007, 3:44 pm

noel wrote:He's got more years on you being a PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER. How is your age relevant to this discussion?!?

if he's younger than me by a number of years, i can call him a kid. are you having a bad week or something?

It was a bush league play just like it was a bush league play when A-Rod took a swipe at Bronson Arroyo in the ALCS a few years back. A-Rod IS a GREAT player, but these idiotic slaps at balls, trying to spike second basemen, or yelling 'Mine' are all cheap, shitty ways to play and the main reason people have so little respect for him.

Derek Jeter would NEVER, EVER do something like this. We'd NEVER even be having this discussion about Jeter.

jesus, will you just calm down. you have every right to say that and i don't recall advising anyone to change their opinion of him. I'm saying the kid's a pro, he should have caught the ball and not fall for what's being called a bush league play.

noel · Post by **noel** » May 31, 2007, 3:54 pm

I'm calm, man. I just disagree with you completely.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » May 31, 2007, 4:17 pm

The shortstop is the captain of the infield. If the 3B hears the shortstop calling him off, he has to back off. It's been that way for more than a century. Leave it to arrogant Yankee fans to try to change the way the game is played.

ARod has been one of the most classless players in the game for a long time. Any team he's on is brought down by his attitude.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » May 31, 2007, 4:19 pm

To clarify, I'm not, personally, Yankee hating. Despite being a Boston fan, and cheering against the Yankees...I respect them.

I was doing just as you stated...calling A-Rod out for displaying poor sportsmanship. I have a thing against A-Rod...I think he's a cocksucker...but not because he's a Yankee. Because he's a cocksucker!

Anyways, I was going to look up and quote the rule after discussing this with my father over lunch, but Wulf beat me to it. I had completely forgot about the possibility of Interference, or even Balk rules being called into play.

It was a lousy thing to do, simple as that.

Again, this argument has simple devolved into a veiled version of 'Whatever you gotta do to win.'

"Now let's have some fun. This game is supposed to be fun god damnit!"

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » May 31, 2007, 4:34 pm

Vetiria wrote:The shortstop is the captain of the infield. If the 3B hears the shortstop calling him off, he has to back off. It's been that way for more than a century. Leave it to arrogant Yankee fans to try to change the way the game is played.

ARod has been one of the most classless players in the game for a long time. Any team he's on is brought down by his attitude.

The 3B plays alongside of the SS nearly 6 days a week. voice recognition anyone?

always comes back to being a yankee hater for some as opposed to actually watching the play

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 31, 2007, 4:39 pm

Chidoro wrote:The 3B plays alongside of the SS nearly 6 days a week. voice recognition anyone?

From the original story linked above:

Clark, who arrived from the minors earlier in the day, said it was the first time it's happened to him in 16 years of baseball.

I think that is a pretty valid reason for him not recognizing the voice of the SS.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » May 31, 2007, 4:44 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Chidoro wrote:The 3B plays alongside of the SS nearly 6 days a week. voice recognition anyone?
From the original story linked above:

Clark, who arrived from the minors earlier in the day, said it was the first time it's happened to him in 16 years of baseball.
I think that is a pretty valid reason for him not recognizing the voice of the SS.

Fair enough

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » May 31, 2007, 4:45 pm

Voice recognition? Are you serious? There's 30,000 people in the stands and he's supposed to differentiate the sound of a single voice of a person shouting "MINE?"

Kilap · Post by **Kilap** » May 31, 2007, 4:57 pm

Vetiria wrote:Voice recognition? Are you serious? There's 30,000 people in the stands and he's supposed to differentiate the sound of a single voice of a person shouting "MINE?"

Absolutely.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 31, 2007, 5:01 pm

Kilap wrote:
Vetiria wrote:Voice recognition? Are you serious? There's 30,000 people in the stands and he's supposed to differentiate the sound of a single voice of a person shouting "MINE?"
Absolutely.

In hockey, voice recognition is crucial.
Many defense partners often use code or other languages to communicate.
The Leafs have 2 Czech defensemen (Kaberle and Kubina) and when they were paired up they spoke Czech exclusively on the ice.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » May 31, 2007, 5:06 pm

if they played together regularly I would fully expect them to recognize each other's voice. 30,000 people aren't screaming at a pop fly like an opposing QB taking a hike. Boog pointed out that the guy was just called up though, so I would give a bit more benefit of the doubt

Trek · Post by **Trek** » June 1, 2007, 1:19 am

The kid did exactly what he is supposed to do. It was interference, there is no justification for putting any blame on the 3b.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » June 1, 2007, 9:50 am

My least favorite baseball teams:

Yankees < Braves < Red Sox.

Just because you all care.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 2, 2007, 3:26 am

Joe Torre has forgotten more about baseball than Chidoro and I together will ever know...

Lets see what he has to say about distracting the Blue Jays fielder:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2890628

Joe Torre wrote:"They were angry," Torre said. "Oh, there's no question. I can't say I blame them, but what are you going to do about it? What's happened has happened."

Torre said he spoke with Rodriguez after the game.

"It's probably something he shouldn't have done," Torre said. "I don't sense he's going to do it again."

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » June 2, 2007, 2:28 pm

Chidoro wrote: and i'm not sure what supposedly cheating on a wife has to do with distracting an opponent, but feel free to throw more useless words on the board if you like

I hate baseball but I just had to respond to this. I am simply amazed that you cannot see the correlation between cheating on a wife and cheating in a game. Wow. I thought you were a lot smarter than that. Cheating is cheating and A-rod has overtly expressed his propensity for it on several occasions. If you'd take his cock out of your mouth for a second, you might be able to think more clearly.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » June 2, 2007, 4:03 pm

After seeing the replays and hearing other veteran MLB players comment, I absolutely agree that Rodriguez displayed an acute lack of sportsmanship during that play. That being said, if he had owned up and admitted he pulled that BS, I think he would have gained a bit of credibility back. With the sad state of their team, frustration can be expected, but FFS, just own it and not get all dodgy. Alex has too much talent to be resorting to this crap. Plus, dude is a veteran--he should know better.

I fully expect that he will get one between the numbers, which is deserved.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » June 6, 2007, 2:06 pm

So.. A-rod stole Sparty's ball?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 6, 2007, 10:51 pm

NL Cy Young Award Winners since 1999:

1999 Randy Johnson Arizona Diamondbacks
2000 Randy Johnson Arizona Diamondbacks
2001 Randy Johnson Arizona Diamondbacks
2002 Randy Johnson*+ Arizona Diamondbacks (also won triple crown and was unanimous selection)
2003 Eric Gagné Los Angeles Dodgers
2004 Roger Clemens Houston Astros
2005 Chris Carpenter St. Louis Cardinals
2006 Brandon Webb Arizona Diamondbacks

Five out of eight years it's been a D-Back!

Watched Randy Johnson pass Clemens for 2nd all time strike outs last night...difference is that Clemens is ranked around 14th all time innings pitched while Randy Johnson is 43rd...making Johnsons K's per innings pitched untouchable. Can't judge by wins as that has more to do with your team's run support.

Back to the A-Rods stuff!

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » June 7, 2007, 12:50 am

And I was just thinking how much this thread needed commentary from the dustbowl. Thanks!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 7, 2007, 1:13 am

More news from the great state of Arizona!

Arizona breaks loose with 5-run fifth, wins 8th NCAA softball title

Associated Press

Updated: June 6, 2007, 11:00 PM ET

OKLAHOMA CITY -- Taryne Mowatt finished what she started and Arizona won its eighth NCAA softball title, breaking loose against Tennessee ace Monica Abbott for a 5-0 victory Wednesday night in the Women's College World Series.

D-Backs have won 11 of their last 12. The combined ERA of the starting five pitchers since June 22nd: 1.77 (and that's before 7 shut out innings by Webb tonight)

OK, that's all I know!

noel · Post by **noel** » June 7, 2007, 2:19 am

What would it take for you to post on-topic occasionally? =P

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 7, 2007, 4:18 am

It was a stretch but there's not many baseball threads around and the D-Backs are rolling atm. Had to get in a few words in case they fade like last year.

I blurt out random Arizona sports info like the retarded kid blurts out, "where's my baseball" in There's Something About Mary.