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The Reverand Al Strikes again

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/09/sharpton.romney/
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Civil rights activist Al Sharpton, who led the charge to have radio host Don Imus fired for making racially insensitive remarks, is now under fire for a comment about Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's Mormon faith.

During a debate on religion and politics at the New York Public Library with atheist author Christopher Hitchens, Sharpton said, "As for the one Mormon running for office, those that really believe in God will defeat him anyway, so don't worry about that. That's a temporary situation."

On the campaign trail in Iowa Wednesday, Romney fired back, calling Sharpton's comment "terribly misguided." (Watch Sharpton's comment and the controversey that followed )

"It shows that bigotry still exists in some corners," Romney said. "I thought it was a most unfortunate comment to make."

Asked if he thought Sharpton is a bigot, the former Massachusetts governor said, "I don't know Rev. Sharpton. I doubt he is personally such a thing. But the comment was a comment which could be described as a bigoted comment.

"Perhaps he didn't mean it that way, but the way it came out was inappropriate and wrong."

Sharpton said his remarks were being taken out of context and that he was responding to an attack by Hitchens, who, he said, had charged that the Mormon Church supported segregation until the 1960s.

"In no way did I attack Mormons or the Mormon Church when I responded that other believers, not atheists, would vote against Mr. Romney for purely political reasons," Sharpton said in a written statement.

He also accused Romney's campaign of engaging in "a blatant effort to fabricate a controversy to help their lagging campaign."

Sharpton told The Associated Press that "[Mormons] don't believe in God the way I do, but, by definition, they believe in God."

Sharpton was licensed as a minister in the Church of God in Christ, a predominantly black Pentecostal denomination, at the age of 9, according to a biography on the Web site of his National Action Network. He became a Baptist in the 1980s.

His debate Monday with Hitchens -- who is on a tour promoting a new book that rejects God -- revolved around religion and politics. Minutes before Sharpton's controversial comment was made, the discussion turned toward the idea of a Mormon running for president, then moved to a conversation about the role of faith in politics.

Romney is a member of the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, known informally as the Mormon Church. If elected, he would be the first Mormon to serve in the White House.

His religion has come up as an issue in the 2008 campaign because many conservative and evangelical Protestants, who make up an important constituency in the GOP base, do not consider Mormons to be Christians, because of their unique beliefs.

The LDS Church was founded in the 1830s by Joseph Smith -- revered by members as a prophet of God -- who taught that a new book of scripture, the Book of Mormon, had been revealed to him by an angel. Adherents eventually relocated to Utah in 1847, after Smith was killed by a mob in Illinois.

Some church leaders practiced plural marriage in the 19th century, but the church officially ended the practice in 1890 and has since excommunicated polygamists from its ranks.

The church has about 5 million adherents in the United States.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll last year found that 34 percent of Americans considered the LDS Church to be Christian, 35 percent did not and 31 percent were unsure. In a Gallup/USA Today poll in February, 72 percent of Americans said they would be comfortable voting for a Mormon for president, but 24 percent said they would not.

"I think it's sad, honestly," Republican strategist Ralph Reed said of the Sharpton controversy on CNN. "I don't think there's any place in politics for religious intolerance in any of its ugly forms.

"And I think if Gov. Romney took it that way, then whatever Al Sharpton meant, then I think the best thing to do and the most healing thing to do, so that we can have an uplifting dialogue about faith in the political and civic process, is for Rev. Sharpton to apologize."

Democratic strategist James Carville told CNN he believes Sharpton when he says he didn't mean to disparage the Mormon faith.

"The main point here is that Mormons have served this country honorably and with integrity for a long, long time, and ... it would be a very big mistake not to vote for someone based on their faith -- Mormon faith or any other faith," Carville said.

Romney said Wednesday that he hears little concern about his religion from voters on the campaign trail.

"Overwhelmingly, the people I talk to believe that we elect a person to lead the nation not based on what church they go to, but based on their values and their vision," he said. "I received very little comment of the nature coming from Rev. Sharpton."
I think it is hilarious that Al wants people to look at the topic in the context of the forum it was said. Was that not Imus' argument?

The best part is that Sharpton is now playing a victim, saying Romney did this to help his campaign, which is ironic as well, because that is what Sharpton does with EVERY issue. Sharpton helps his own cause, he cares nothing about the people he pretends to help. Imus was stupid, but geez how many free passes does this moron Sharpton get?
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Last I looked you were allowed to make fun of mormons or any other whacked out religious cult.

spell checker suggested replace "mormons" with "morons"
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You should be able to make fun of whatever the hell you want. Kids with Down's Syndrome, Canadians, anything. Just do not call for a guy's firing for a dumb ass comment then come out 3 weeks or so later and pull the same thing.
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Picture ruiners are funny. No doubt about that. How can you not get a chuckle out of their little Pete Rose hair-dos?

Difference here between Imus and Sharpton is.....white guilt socilist Americana wouldn't dare serve up the same treatment, because he's black. I mean gosh, we did have slavery in this country and we owe the black folk.
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Tyek wrote:You should be able to make fun of whatever the hell you want. Kids with Down's Syndrome, Canadians, anything. Just do not call for a guy's firing for a dumb ass comment then come out 3 weeks or so later and pull the same thing.
people don't choose to be black. they choose to involve themselves in whackjob religious cults though. there's a huge difference. there's also a huge difference in that sharpton isn't beholden to a huge corporation that relies on advertising dollars, and the people that fund him probably share his opinion about mormons.

mormons are perfectly welcome to band together and threaten to not vote for sharpton in the next election unless he promises to treat them with more respect.
Difference here between Imus and Sharpton is.....white guilt socilist Americana wouldn't dare serve up the same treatment, because he's black. I mean gosh, we did have slavery in this country and we owe the black folk.
what a sad, defeated little man you are.
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kyoukan wrote:
Difference here between Imus and Sharpton is.....white guilt socilist Americana wouldn't dare serve up the same treatment, because he's black. I mean gosh, we did have slavery in this country and we owe the black folk.
what a sad, defeated little man you are.
Yet another example of you saying nothing. What about what I said do you differ in opinion with? What is your take? Or are you incapable of a conversation? I'm sorry you are incapable of seeing things like this for what they are. I'd be very intereted in hearing your explanation on this double standard.
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Haha, Mormons aren't Christians. What a fucking idiot.

It's always fun to watch religous zelots pick apart other faiths whie ignoring the huge conflicts and holes in thier own beliefs.

Good times.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Yet another example of you saying nothing. What about what I said do you differ in opinion with? What is your take? Or are you incapable of a conversation? I'm sorry you are incapable of seeing things like this for what they are. I'd be very intereted in hearing your explanation on this double standard.
yes because what VV needs is another thread where everyone explains why you're a passive aggresive racist douchebag while you pathetically try to mask it with your infantile little tirades about liberal america and white guilt.

we know that your kind longs for the day when the colored people would stare at their shoes while saying 'yassuh' and 'nossuh' while gangs of you would talk down to them. we get it already. for christ's sake, why do you have to be such an incredible retard?
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Kyou, Last I checked, Sharpton has a radio program.
http://www.sharptontalk.net/

So he has some advertising revenue to consider when he says these things. Personally I find it funny that the man has been caught on tape negotiating a drug deal, and it was an HBO plot to ruin his presidential campaign. Now he gets called out for his comments and he also now plays the victim when he gets in trouble here.

As for not choosing to be black. I agree, but more people have been killed in this world in the name of religion then any other way. It is a deeply personal thing and just because you are not Mormon does not mean that someone else can't be. I agree with you, they are wacky, have strange beliefs about other planets, etc... but Mr high and Mighty Sharpton should be brought down a peg or two. The fact that he is a black reverand does not excuse him from being a liar, criminal and general scumbag.

Frankly I just want to see any of these sanctimonious pricks taken down. I a tired of so called leaders talking for people when no one voted for them.
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kyoukan wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Yet another example of you saying nothing. What about what I said do you differ in opinion with? What is your take? Or are you incapable of a conversation? I'm sorry you are incapable of seeing things like this for what they are. I'd be very intereted in hearing your explanation on this double standard.
yes because what VV needs is another thread where everyone explains why you're a passive aggresive racist douchebag while you pathetically try to mask it with your infantile little tirades about liberal america and white guilt.

we know that your kind longs for the day when the colored people would stare at their shoes while saying 'yassuh' and 'nossuh' while gangs of you would talk down to them. we get it already. for christ's sake, why do you have to be such an incredible retard?
Again you have said nothing.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Picture ruiners are funny. No doubt about that. How can you not get a chuckle out of their little Pete Rose hair-dos?

Difference here between Imus and Sharpton is.....white guilt socilist Americana wouldn't dare serve up the same treatment, because he's black. I mean gosh, we did have slavery in this country and we owe the black folk.
Maybe you were involved in the slave trade, or maybe one of your ancestors, but for me and mine, we had nothing to do with any of that.

That goes for "stealing" Native American land as well.
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Al wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Picture ruiners are funny. No doubt about that. How can you not get a chuckle out of their little Pete Rose hair-dos?

Difference here between Imus and Sharpton is.....white guilt socilist Americana wouldn't dare serve up the same treatment, because he's black. I mean gosh, we did have slavery in this country and we owe the black folk.
Maybe you were involved in the slave trade, or maybe one of your ancestors, but for me and mine, we had nothing to do with any of that.

That goes for "stealing" Native American land as well.
Wow, okay, Larry Literate.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Again you have said nothing.
so is this your new transparent gimmick response for when someone make you look like a fucking retard, replacing the classic "big picture" lameness?
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kyoukan wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Again you have said nothing.
so is this your new transparent gimmick response for when someone make you look like a fucking retard, replacing the classic "big picture" lameness?
It's no more a gimmick than your continued name calling when asked to partake in a conversation. When you type something, then I won't have to say you haven't.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Again you have said nothing.
Baseless assertion, one liner, hypocritically doing exactly what you claim the post your quoting is doing; are you trying to be the ghost of Cartalas? You need to put some more bad spelling and profanity in.
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[-( It's only worth commenting on if its Midnyte doing it right?

Bullshit. He's and Tyek are spot on, and no one's saying Sharpton shouldn't have the right to be an asshole, just that he is one.
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Nick wrote:[-( It's only worth commenting on if its Midnyte doing it right?

Bullshit. He's and Tyek are spot on, and no one's saying Sharpton shouldn't have the right to be an asshole, just that he is one.
At least someone else notices this bullshit.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Nick wrote:[-( It's only worth commenting on if its Midnyte doing it right?

Bullshit. He's and Tyek are spot on, and no one's saying Sharpton shouldn't have the right to be an asshole, just that he is one.
At least someone else notices this bullshit.
I was still trying to figure out how my family had been involved in slavery when they weren't even in this hemisphere...ultra-generalization 4tl....as usual.
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so every time you drag out your lametard "hurr hurr liberal america and white guilt" shifposts (roughly eleven times a day on days where you havent announced you're leaving and never coming back), everyone on the forum has to present facts and statistics to counter your assertions or they're "not participating in the discussion"?

OH OKAY

really, I'd rather just call you names. you really aren't worth more effort than that. in fact I'm more likely doing you a service by paying attention to you at all.
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kyoukan wrote:so every time you drag out your lametard "hurr hurr liberal america and white guilt" shifposts (roughly eleven times a day on days where you havent announced you're leaving and never coming back), everyone on the forum has to present facts and statistics to counter your assertions or they're "not participating in the discussion"?

OH OKAY

really, I'd rather just call you names. you really aren't worth more effort than that. in fact I'm more likely doing you a service by paying attention to you at all.
I know that is what you would rather do. You are obviously incapable of discussing why you feel this is not a case of white guilt americana imposing a double standard and over compensating when white people say something versus when non-white say the same or worse.

Watch the Sean Hannity show from last night where Sharpton and McGurk "debate" about the Imus situation and the Sharpton statement. Sharpton reminds me of you. He never answers a question and talks so much to try and confuse and make people forget what they were just grilling him about. It's quite funny.
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I imagine it is less about white guilt, and more about not wanting to go through some annoying lawsuit with Al. He is essentially a professional lawsuit fabricator. He has nothing better to do with his time. Most people would rather not deal with all the time and money involved in trying to take him down.

Maybe we could convince Jack Thompson that Al stands for violent black video games.
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I think Mid was being sarcastic in the first post, and everyone took it the wrong way. He was saying this is a double standard between Imus and Sharpton. Imus makes a comment about a race, and it's unacceptable and he's let go because advertisers pull out. Sharpton makes a comment about religion, and nothing happens.

Which is acceptable to make fun of? Do we have a license to mock religion but not race in this country? Yes, Imus was not mocking; he was trying to be hurtful. Was Sharpton trying to do anything else? "The people of God will keep him out of office." Sounds a lot like the drivel coming out of the Middle East. That doesn't seem very productive to me. In fact, it sounds a lot like the bigoted statements that came out of Imus.

Sharpton is an idiot whose time came and went about twenty years ago. He should go inside and not come back out.
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Neroon wrote: Maybe we could convince Jack Thompson that Al stands for violent black video games.
LMAO Now that is fucking comedy. :lol:
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