I got a Nintendo Wii a few months ago and now...

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » April 11, 2007, 12:59 pm

Was the Wii an impulse buy or what? It was for me, I played Zelda for a few days... then took a couple days break... played it a couple more days... took a couple week break... tried to play again and was like WTF. I love my computer more!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 11, 2007, 1:21 pm

I can confirm that all the typical non gaming people at work that I heard raving over the Wii and wanting to get it haven't said a fucking word about it since early January.

At least for Wii sports, it looks like a great "storefront" display type product that looks like fun, is fun for the first few rounds, and then...ho hum.

I just don't see anyone playing it that has access to a 360 or PS3 with hella better graphics, etc. looking forward to playing on the Wii. I'm not a fan of Mario anything so I suppose that doesn't help my opinion of it much.

I still have shivers from viewing the monster jaggies of Final Fantasy XXII. As much as I like to play FF, I can't handle the crap (comparatively speaking) graphics of anything that's not 720P or better. It does affect my enjoyment of the game.

I guess the Wii is still good for those with kids that don't know any better or those that are hooked on Mario type games. Motion control doesn't do it for me. I don't want to swing my arms in a golf game or baseball game. I've been enjoying MLB 2K7 quite a bit without having to make sure I don't knock over my drink.

I inquired here a little while ago for an update on how much people were playing with the Wii's now that they are a month+ old with little response.

Post by **Sylvus** » April 11, 2007, 1:45 pm

I own pretty much all of the consoles except a PS3 and in the past 6 months I've played my Wii the most, PS2 second, and 360 the least.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 11, 2007, 1:47 pm

Still sold out in my area. I went to buy one last weekend

Didn't Nintendo recently post some huge numbers due to the success of both the Wii and DS?

On topic, I don't hear anyone talk about any platform system at all. The Wii is no exception.

Gonzoie - Luclin · Post by **Gonzoie - Luclin** » April 11, 2007, 1:54 pm

went to go buy one yesterday at my old store, and they didn't have one in. So evidently Wii is still selling well.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » April 11, 2007, 1:57 pm

Nintendo claims that there is no end in sight of retail shortages of its Wii console. Although the machine launched five months ago units remain scarce at retail. Over 2.5 million units are estimated to have been sold in North America and a further 2 million in Europe.

6.5 million total so far. No end in immediate sight. If all those people Winnow knows don't play anymore perhaps they should sell on eBay and get money while demand is still there.

I got one last week. Still pretty scare. I used the iTrackr thing Sylvus mentioned a month or two ago. Just checked occassinally until I saw it in stock somewhere. Got the last one!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 11, 2007, 1:58 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote: On topic, I don't hear anyone talk about any platform system at all. The Wii is no exception.

The Wii was an exception because non gamer types were talking about it. It seems to me like one of those things that you can play at uncomfortable family get togethers to pass the time until you can leave. Good for a quick distraction.

"Did you see Uncle Bob split his pants playing Wii sports on New Years?"

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » April 11, 2007, 2:08 pm

Yeah, I think the Wii is a good system for those that have not progressed through the PS1, PS2, Xbox, 360 treadmill.

If the Wii is your first console and especially if you have kids then I guess it would be great for some family entertainment. Watching the kids flail around in the living room, spending time together.

As for me, the Wii was nostalgic with Zelda. Wii spots was fun for a few hours, then got old. I dont have anyone to really play the Wii with as my wife hates gaming. So I cannot really speak for how it works at parties or with friends.

I just dumped 600 into my computer with a new widescreen LCD and a video card upgrade, it is so hard to give what freetime I do have to playing on the Wii with only 480p graphics. I even have a 46" LCD TV to play it on, but even with that the draw is just not there.

I should probably really sell mine, while the demand is up. I bought the composite cables as well so you could view it in 480p versus 480i. Makes quite a bit of difference.

Oh well, I guess I could just pack it up and save it for my daughter to use in a few years. Im sure by then there will be tons of games for it and she would prolly love it.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » April 11, 2007, 2:20 pm

Not having HD support, at the BARE minimum, was a huge mistake. I am not a big fan of the gimmicky controller, either. But ultimately, its suffering the same issues as the 360 and Piii; no fucking games.

Nali · Post by **Nali** » April 11, 2007, 6:33 pm

The Wii does have HD support, doesn't it?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 11, 2007, 6:43 pm

Nali wrote:The Wii does have HD support, doesn't it?

with the right cables (don't think they're included), you can manage 480p. It doesn't support 720p, 1080i or 1080p.

The Wii isn't much better than an original Xbox or PS2 graphically.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » April 11, 2007, 6:51 pm

Truth be told, seeing all the consoles side by side, Piii > 360 > Xbox > PS2 > Wii > Game Cube in terms of graphical output. The only real edge the Wii has is that it is a cheap piece of shit and therefore any retard can use it. The best looking games I have seen on it so far are just crushed by the graphics of, say, God of War 2 to say nothing of some of the progressive scan titles on the PS2. The best looking games on it (Zelda or Excite Truck) are barely better than the game cube, in terms of visual appeal.

Audio is another story, however. Its not as good as the 360 or Piii (especially if you use the digital outs on the Piii), but its definately better than any other console out there.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » April 12, 2007, 6:02 am

Jice Virago wrote:Truth be told, seeing all the consoles side by side, Piii > 360 > Xbox > PS2 > Wii > Game Cube in terms of graphical output. The only real edge the Wii has is that it is a cheap piece of shit and therefore any retard can use it. The best looking games I have seen on it so far are just crushed by the graphics of, say, God of War 2 to say nothing of some of the progressive scan titles on the PS2. The best looking games on it (Zelda or Excite Truck) are barely better than the game cube, in terms of visual appeal.

Audio is another story, however. Its not as good as the 360 or Piii (especially if you use the digital outs on the Piii), but its definately better than any other console out there.

The Wii has the power and capabilities to beat the PS2 on graphics but it hasn't yet got coders with 5yrs 1st-party tech experience like the team that did GoW2. It'll get there though.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 12, 2007, 7:00 am

vn_Tanc wrote: The Wii has the power and capabilities to beat the PS2 on graphics but it hasn't yet got coders with 5yrs 1st-party tech experience like the team that did GoW2. It'll get there though.

It's always some day down the road with you!

I call bullshit. The 360 games looked better than the Xbox games right off the bat. They didn't look as good as GoW but they sure as fuck looked better than their last gen system. They didn't need no stinking 5 years. Isn't the Wii just a glorified Gamecube? How hard can it be to code? Am I to believe that Microsoft is the only console developer that can provide decent SDKs for their consoles?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » April 12, 2007, 11:48 am

Of course 360 games looked better than Xbox games out of the box - it was an entire generation shift in hardware. Everyone, even you, knows this isn't true of the Wii/GC.

Here are some facts:
1) The Wii is more powerful than the PS2 but it isn't a generational shift its more of an increment in scale. I know this because I've worked on both and actually seen a project ported from PS2 to Wii so I know _pretty much exactly_ where and how they differ in power.

2) There are only a handful of coding teams in the world that can push the PS2 as far as the GoW2 team. And they needed 5 years practice to get that good.

3) The Wii is an exellent machine to code for but the libraries, tools and SDK are immature compared to the PS2. For example it was totally impossible to get GOW2 performance out of a PS2 using libraries 1.0 a they were less optimized and exposed less of the machine's power to programmers.

4) Any team that can't make a basic 360 game look twice as good as an Xbox game _while sleeping_ should be fired immediately.

Yes the Wii is pretty much 2 GameCubes glued together and overclocked. But the GameCube had a better CPU than the PS2 anyway so double that + double the rendering power gives you plenty of scope.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » April 12, 2007, 12:35 pm

Graphics are nice and all but to me it's not really a huge selling point of a console. I guess growing up in the 80s with the arcade games and original consoles like the 2600 was good for something. You can have shitty games with excellent graphics just as well as the reverse. Good graphics don't necessarily mean good games.

Post by **Sylvus** » April 12, 2007, 12:51 pm

Aslanna wrote:Graphics are nice and all but to me it's not really a huge selling point of a console. I guess growing up in the 80s with the arcade games and original consoles like the 2600 was good for something. You can have shitty games with excellent graphics just as well as the reverse. Good graphics don't necessarily mean good games.

I'm in 100% agreement with that. Good graphics will get me to play a game, but that'll usually lead to me only playing it for a weekend at best unless it has a whole lot more going for it. The two games that I probably play more than any others to this day are MarioKart (on the Wii emulator) and Warcraft III on the PC.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 12, 2007, 1:26 pm

Hey, I liked the old EQ character models better than the new ones!

It depends on the game. For Final Fantasy type games, it's a visual feast which deserves the best graphics possible.

I'll happily go back and play around with Ultima III which isn't much more than a few block sprites making up the characters, I just wouldn't expect to play the same looking game if it was developed in the present. It can have the same gameplay as back in the 80's, but I don't want to look at crappy graphics for a new game.

Aslanna, being the queen of the emulators, is the most forgiving of graphics in games I'm sure.

There's no excuse for a new game console not to support HD output. You can have your old style graphics, but output/upscale it to 720P. It doesn't matter how bad or basic the graphics are, they'll look better output in a native HD format. See Xbox Live Arcade games as a reference.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » April 19, 2007, 4:54 pm

The Wii graphics don't bother me... But is it my imagination or do the games suffer from a severe case of jaggies? I tried a couple Gamecube games and they didn't seem to exhibit that behavior to the same level. Rather distracting at times I must say!

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » April 20, 2007, 5:06 am

Winnow wrote: There's no excuse for a new game console not to support HD output. You can have your old style graphics, but output/upscale it to 720P. It doesn't matter how bad or basic the graphics are, they'll look better output in a native HD format. See Xbox Live Arcade games as a reference.

Of course there is. Just because you want it doesn't make it the right decision for everyone.

Nintendo made a strategic decision to leave out HD support. This is because of one reason: HD does not yet have the market penetration they want. Not supporting it then allows them to keep the hardware price down - another of their strategic keystones. Time will tell if they're right or not. OH NO WAIT they're outselling both the HD-capable machines. I guess the marketplace has spoken. And they disagree with you.

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I got a Nintendo Wii a few months ago and now...

I got a Wii a few months ago and now...

I got a Nintendo Wii a few months ago and now...