Something Different

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » January 3, 2003, 10:02 am

I thought I'd stop my meanness and name-calling for a brief moment and take the time to share something with all of you, even the ones I'm not so fond of. Amidst all the bad threads going around I thought I'd throw a twist in here.

Last nite, which is in essence tonite cuz I haven't slept yet, I had an epiphany. You see I did a drug (omg rebel!) with someone I really care about and I thought a lot about stuff, and even some of the stuff that is said here. An idea entered my head about everything. By that I mean this idea is necessary on the small scale in my life, but it is also important on the large scale.

Here it is... it's like a motto.

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

I realized that this is not just one idea, but a continuum of 2 ideas at each pole. The debates we have on this board about foreign policy is really saturated with this idea. Some of you are very hardcore on one end of this continuum (Preparing for the worst) and you still understand the other side, same with those of us who hope for the best, hope for the best in people, but we understand the necessity to prepare for the worst.

But when I was talking to my girlfriend about it, she thought it was vital to have it in that order. She didn't want it to be "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst." I didn't need to ask her why she prioritized them this way. When she said prepare for the worst should come first I accepted it. Before last nite, I really didn't understand the importance of preparing for the worst. Preparing for the worst isn't necessarily a bad thing, actually it is a very very good thing. It is important NOT to expect things to go the way you want them, and when you don't prepare for this, you hang yourself out to dry.

On the other hand, hoping for the best is something I am very familiar with. I think hope is a mighty strong word and too many people have lost sight of it. When you hope for something, and you have free-will, you should put in an effort to accomplish your hopes. Pursuing your dreams vigorously should come with the same intensity as the dream itself. We all know that things that we hope for rarely happen, but we still need to have that little bit of hope that takes us forward to the future. Movies are constantly made about this notion, that against all the odds, sometimes it is our hope and our passion for it that drives us to be better then we are as a species. I hope against the odds, that humanity's struggles will lessen and we grow and learn through our mistakes and experiences and those of our parents and ancestors.

Now, this doesn't mean that I'm really changing any of my political views, so don't think if you say something moronic I'm not gonna call you out on it. What I am saying is that I now have a much better understanding of your stances on some of your issues, and they have to do with preparing for the worst.

This is a way that I am going to live my life. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. and the unspoken part of the hope, which is effort to achieve my hopes.

Peace and Love,
Xyun

P.S. I'll be turning back to an attack dog tomorrow, so don't get your panties too wet.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » January 3, 2003, 10:27 am

I am now stupiders, thx gg>

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » January 3, 2003, 10:30 am

Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 3, 2003, 10:34 am

I agree Xyun, but lately, the way things are going, it seems hope is futile. 2003 will be dark I think.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 3, 2003, 10:37 am

Welcome.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 3, 2003, 10:37 am

With chicks like kyoucan running around out there, darkness is your friend.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » January 3, 2003, 11:39 am

Talk is cheap. Let's wait and see.

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » January 3, 2003, 12:04 pm

Umm put the pipe down and step away from the playground.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » January 3, 2003, 12:13 pm

Hehe drugs....

You take a normal pithy saying, get stoned and analyze the shit out of it.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 3, 2003, 12:18 pm

It is amusing how some people who take drugs act like they are enlightened in some fashion. But, if good comes from his little experience, more power to him I suppose.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 3, 2003, 12:23 pm

pipe? POT ISNT A DRUG asshole

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » January 3, 2003, 12:39 pm

It's a good start, Xyun.

One change though. Make it "Prepare for the worst, work for the best".

Hoping doesn't accomplish a hell of a lot.

/salute

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » January 3, 2003, 1:03 pm

Since when is pot not a drug??

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » January 3, 2003, 1:14 pm

Setting: I'm at a party with a date who is kinda clueless.

At some point she pulls me aside and says "These are the worst tasting brownies I've ever had."

I tell her that she might not want to be eating those brownies.

Still clueless, she goes to the guy who made the brownies and suggests that next time she'd make the brownies since he was having difficulty getting them to taste right.

Everyone was rolling in the floor with laughter.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 3, 2003, 1:52 pm

what Adex left out, since he is a gentleman, is that one hour later, he was absolutley going to town on this girl in the bathroom and she was wailing in a state of ecstasy thinking the only thing that would make this sex any better would be another one of those FUCKING AWESOME BROWNIES!!!

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » January 3, 2003, 2:26 pm

Nah,

I can't do that sex stuff or I'd be a hypocrite, and not be able to stomach the inconsistancy.

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » January 3, 2003, 2:29 pm

LOL

Speaking of bathroom sex....have ya'll seen "Unfaithful" yet? The bathroom sex scene....RAWR!

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 3, 2003, 2:29 pm

What sex stuff. You a budhist monk?

-edit- oh you must not be married yet. Got ya.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 3, 2003, 3:09 pm

Hayley, In so much that marijuana has medicinal and psychological benefits it is, under dictionary terms - a drug.

If you mean drug as in the narrow minded government controlled slant on 'mean bad vicious drugs that kill everyones head and make you evil', then no, it is a weed, or a herb, much like tea.

Xyun, happy new year

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » January 3, 2003, 5:08 pm

I could care less what pot does. Point is, it is a drug. Much like Ibuprofen and/or Aspirin is.

Have you ever watched The Osborne's or The Anna Nicole Show? Did you know that doctors actually thought that Ozzy had multiple sclerosis because of how he acts/talks? After multiple tests the conclusion was pretty simple...too many drugs, ie "drug as in the narrow minded government controlled slant on 'mean bad vicious drugs that kill everyones head and make you evil.'" Now I don't necessarily think that pot can kill your head and make you evil but long term use of it is far from beneficial for you just like anything else. You don't have to convince me that drugs are good/bad for you. I can just sit and watch those two shows and it's like a fucking deer in headlights. You can't stop watching because it's just astounding the capability one has to fry their own brain.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » January 3, 2003, 5:11 pm

Hayley,

Just don't even try. Trust me.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » January 3, 2003, 5:13 pm

Now this is a discussion on drugs.

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » January 3, 2003, 5:13 pm

Uhhh...try what?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 3, 2003, 5:16 pm

Fair enough Hayley.

Watch Bill hicks.

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » January 3, 2003, 5:18 pm

XzionSek'TovaCT wrote:pipe? POT ISNT A DRUG asshole

LOL a pipe is used for more than just pot btw =). Can we name other uses?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 3, 2003, 5:18 pm

THC, Caffeine, Nicotine, Orthotrycycline, bla bla they are all drugs.

whether any of the above should be on the FDA's Schedule 1 is a matter for debate, but not whether or not they are drugs

.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 3, 2003, 5:19 pm

stealth marijuana debates~

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » January 3, 2003, 5:20 pm

Defining pot as a harmful drug.

See archives for more info.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » January 3, 2003, 5:20 pm

Hayley, Fallanthas was saying don't bothering trying to make sense. It will only frustrate you.

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » January 3, 2003, 5:28 pm

Who said pot was a harmful drug? I think that any drug not taken in moderation, ie, excessive use of it, is harmful. I know that I make sense. The only thing that could possibly frustrate me are tools that can't make sense out of a simple statement. I mean this in the nicest way possible too.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 3, 2003, 5:32 pm

Having taken copius amounts of 'drugs' over christmas, you are right, it is harmful, I am feeling a bit raped right now.

I'll do it again no doubt

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 3, 2003, 7:05 pm

An ex and I got stoned once and proceeded to psychoanalyze the Peanuts characters. It seemed really mind-blowing at the time, rather silly now. Fortunately, I never theorized in a public forum while fucked up.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » January 4, 2003, 1:28 am

Addictions are addictions and it really doesn't matter wtf your particular brand. The reason that drugs get a bad image is because they are highly addictive. Drugs are actually good and expand your mind if you have the discipline for moderation. Trouble is most people don't have discipline, it's taken me years to aquire the proper discipline for it and I still find myself on a slippery slope every now and then.

Now this is the part I love. ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ARE OR HAVE BEEN ADDICTED TO EQ!

You can bitch and moan and say you're not, or that's impossible, or EQ is nothing like hardcore drugs, but I'll just laugh in your face. You're talking to an addict here. I've been addicted to more things then the sperm in your nutsack. EQ is EXACTLY like a hardcore drug.

It puts you in a altered sense of reality. It allows a way for you to escape your real life. The more you play, the less you are satisfied, and you have to play even more in order to gain the same level of satisfaction.

So all you Mr. Mackey's can suck a fat chub, nothing you say matters cuz you're all fucking hypocrites.

Word.

Laliana · Post by **Laliana** » January 4, 2003, 1:43 am

HI Xyun!

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 4, 2003, 3:47 am

pot technically isnt a"drug" tho, marijuana is a natural substance and is a herb, it has effects somewhat similar to drugs but it is not a drug, cocane for example is a drug due to it is highly processed etc, but it originally comes from the cocoa (sp) plant wich in itself isnt a drug.
and pot is less harmful to your body then alchohol or tobacco, and thats a motherfucking fact
Of course the US government has pot being illigal due to the pharmicudical companys and there perscription "drugs" that would not be able to compete with the effects of marijuana,
exe: who the fuck would buy prozak if they could legally hit a bowl?
I smoke pot "recreationally" 4-5x a week and under a right state of mind it isnt evil and harmful like your hypocritical ass government says it is
and i do not do drugs

addictions and drugs are not the same thing, anything can be an addiction, if you want it to be

shit, food and water are technically addictions, you depend on them, if you do not have them for long periods of time u crave them
same thing with simple shit such as sleep

Mak · Post by **Mak** » January 4, 2003, 4:09 am

XzionSek'TovaCT wrote:shit, food and water are technically addictions, you depend on them, if you do not have them for long periods of time u crave them same thing with simple shit such as sleep

That is the stupidest thing I've read in probably the last 20 years or so. I mean really- there are 6th graders with better argumentative skills than that. Perhaps you need to re-evaluate your usage frequency.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » January 4, 2003, 4:32 am

I don't think you can be addicted to water.

Addicted to food?

Mak · Post by **Mak** » January 4, 2003, 5:01 am

I stand corrected. My apologies.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » January 4, 2003, 5:46 am

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 4, 2003, 9:53 am

was just saying that simple shit like that follow the same rules of addictions, and oviously fat people are addicted to food, same with any professional athelete and there sport etc

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » January 4, 2003, 10:07 am

negative sir. There is a difference between addiction and passion. They may co-exist but there is still a subtle difference. Can you identify this difference?

BTW, Fallanthas you were on the right track about the slogan, but I hate the word "work". It would give people the impression that I'm not lazy. I did change the slogan though.

And also, another FYI, weed wasn't the drug I was on when I started this thread.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » January 4, 2003, 10:53 am

XzionSek'TovaCT wrote:shit, food and water are technically addictions, you depend on them, if you do not have them for long periods of time u crave them
same thing with simple shit such as sleep

Ummm, I think people are addicted to living, thats why peopel eat/drink. These are a necessity(sp) and not an addiction. Try smoking nothing but pot and see how long you can live. You won't get too far but at least you'll be happy.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 4, 2003, 12:04 pm

You are all addicted to breathing too. I challenge you to find anything more addictive. Go ahead, try breaking your addiction for 5 minutes, I guarantee you will fail.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 4, 2003, 12:07 pm

Oh, lol, you are all addicted to living too. I challenge Kyoucan to try to break her addiction. PROVE ME WRONG

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 4, 2003, 12:12 pm

Eat to Live Dont Live to Eat

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 4, 2003, 3:21 pm

OMG you fags are dumb. Before I show how retarded you all are, let me state that I have done just about every drug out there except the gutter drugs like heroin & crack. I prefer alcohol as my drug of choice, but a couple times a year I may take a hit or two off a joint. I do not have a problem with people doing what they want with their own bodies, and even believe that drugs should be legalized (see http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... ght=#25370). BUT I HATE when stupid morons spout ill-informed information about ANYTHING.

Xyun wrote:Drugs are actually good and expand your mind if you have the discipline for moderation.

Problems with this:
1. Its a generalization which is poor logic. How is coke "good?" How does it expand your mind?
2. "good" is such a bland unspecific descriptor that means essentially nothing.
3. You sound like a moron...."Drugs are good...heh" And you wonder why people think drug users are idiots....
4. Moderation with SOME drugs is an issue but MANY drugs are harmful whether you take them once or once a day.

Now this is the part I love. ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ARE OR HAVE BEEN ADDICTED TO EQ!

Now this is the part I love. You get all defensive and start swinging. No one pointed fingers at you being *gasp* "addicted" and yet you feel the need to come back with a "Oh yeah?? Well, you are all addicted to EQ!!" The discussion was simply about drug use period. Paranoia setting in? I hear, that smoking too much weed makes you such.

And as a result, you started the thread off into a realm of IQ draining spewage:

pot technically isnt a"drug" tho, marijuana is a natural substance and is a herb, it has effects somewhat similar to drugs but it is not a drug, cocane for example is a drug due to it is highly processed etc, but it originally comes from the cocoa (sp) plant wich in itself isnt a drug.

Let me define drug for you:

"A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction." American Heritage Dictionary
or
"1. Any animal, vegetable, or mineral substance used in the composition of medicines; any stuff used in dyeing or in chemical operations."
Websters Unabridged Dictionary

So "technically" retard, pot IS a drug. Processing has NOTHING to do with whether a substance is a drug. With your logic, THC in a pill form is a drug but to smoke a joint and get the SAME results is not. But, keep telling yourself what you need to in order to fell OK about smoking weed. You evidently have an issue with it since you end saying "and i do not do drugs." Yes you do. Deal with it.

Of course the US government has pot being illigal due to the pharmicudical companys and there perscription "drugs" that would not be able to compete with the effects of marijuana,
exe: who the fuck would buy prozak if they could legally hit a bowl?

SIGH.
1. Pot is not illegal because of the pharmaceutical companies. Its illegal because of social prejudices, and since the Reagan administration, because the DEA needs something to do.

2. You are STUPID. Prozac is an antidepressant. Marijuana is a DEPRESSANT!!! Marijuana is the WORST thing for a depressed person. IN FACT, there are recent studies that show that regular marijuana use contributes to depression. Look it up.

shit, food and water are technically addictions

There you go using "technically" again when you are clueless. These are considered essential to survival, NOT addictions. Food can be an addiction, but you are implying by lumping all these together that normal eating, drinking and defecation is addictive behavior. That is absurd.

same thing with simple shit such as sleep

ditto. And I can feel the brain power behind this statement. Sleep is "simple shit." Wow, did your habitual pot smoking make you so enlightened?

Our society uses vices as a means of escapism from daily stresses. These vices, if used habitually, become an addiction. If the use of the vice no longer is just a way to escape occaisionally, but becomes necessary just to cope with everyday life, then it is an addiction. Addictions are only damaging when they are harmful to your body (or others'), your relationships, or get in the way of your ability to coexist in society (meaning your ability to keep a job, maintain social connections, uphold laws). Drugs of any kind (including alcohol, cigarettes, and prescription drugs) teeter dangerously on the edge of harmful addiction at all times.

Comparing one drug to another, just to make your drug of choice look better (i.e. that pot smoke is less damaging than cigarette smoke) is simple DENIAL. You are avoiding the real issue: that you have an addiction.

laneela · Post by **laneela** » January 4, 2003, 4:41 pm

Lalanae wrote: 2. You are STUPID. Prozac is an antidepressant. Marijuana is a DEPRESSANT!!! Marijuana is the WORST thing for a depressed person. IN FACT, there are recent studies that show that regular marijuana use contributes to depression. Look it up.

For every study you find that proves that marijuana contributes to depression, you'll find one that proves the opposite. It's ironic that you called someone stupid and then imply that because marijuana is a depressant it therefore must make you depressed. A depressant is a drug that slows you down or calms you and has nothing to do with how it affects your emotional state. Look it up.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 4, 2003, 5:24 pm

laneela wrote:For every study you find that proves that marijuana contributes to depression, you'll find one that proves the opposite. It's ironic that you called someone stupid and then imply that because marijuana is a depressant it therefore must make you depressed. A depressant is a drug that slows you down or calms you and has nothing to do with how it affects your emotional state. Look it up.

I did, and you are wrong. (And I never said depressants MAKE you depressed, just that marijuana and depression are linked. read closely please)

According to Websters, a depressant is "An agent or remedy which lowers the vital powers." While "vital powers" is a bit vague, it is intened to be. They are "powers" that fuel life, whether physical or psychological.

or from Merriam-Websters: "an agent that reduces a bodily functional activity or an instinctive desire." Depression symptoms often involve the reduction of instinctive desires such as eating, sleeping and sex.

I know the technical antonym of depressant is stimulant, not anti-depressant, but to partake in depressant drugs when you are prone to depression only exacerbates the problem. IT DOES NOT HELP.

And where are these studies that show marijuana helps depression? I couldn't find one! And I mean from REPUTABLE sources.

Such as the British Medical Journal: http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/737 ... 1,2,3,4,10

The fact is that it IS STUPID to suggest that marijuana can help depression. It's effects run contrary to those needed to treat depression. To replace scientifically tested drugs prescribed by a doctor with pot is completely reckless.

Sounds like you are just trying to argue semantics with me anyway. Hope it makes you feel better dumbass.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » January 4, 2003, 7:10 pm

XzionSek'TovaCT wrote:pot technically isnt a"drug" tho, marijuana is a natural substance and is a herb, it has effects somewhat similar to drugs but it is not a drug, cocane for example is a drug due to it is highly processed etc, but it originally comes from the cocoa (sp) plant wich in itself isnt a drug.
and pot is less harmful to your body then alchohol or tobacco, and thats a motherfucking fact

addictions and drugs are not the same thing, anything can be an addiction, if you want it to be

shit, food and water are technically addictions, you depend on them, if you do not have them for long periods of time u crave them
same thing with simple shit such as sleep

Xzion - Marijuana IS a drug by definition. Yes it's grown from a plant, and requires little to no refining to get an affect from it, but that still does not make it any less of a drug. That's like saying Magic Mushrooms aren't drugs because they grow wild - NEWS FLASH - they are. Also note that over the years there has been massive work done by growers to increase potency of the Cannibis plant, this of course falls under your cocaine description for refining something to create a drug (though not creating it, it does drastically increase it's THC levels).

Yes, you can become addicted to pretty much anything, depending on your personality, however to equate addiction with life necessities such as food, water and sleep is asinine.

As for pot being less harmful, to be honest no-one has done any long term studies of pot smoking, so no-one really knows. Current inuendo is based on conjecture and hearsay. Personally I'd rather see someone smoking pot over drinking, as alcohol produces are far more violent nature in people, but that's another story altogether.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 4, 2003, 9:43 pm

ehh well you could consider it a drug, but it isnt a drug on the same level as any other "illigal" drug out there
and pot does not make you depressed by its effects, it may slow down some of your reactions and make u tired etc, but it does not contribute to depression in any manner

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