Get the pliers and a blowtorch...

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 28, 2006, 4:22 pm

Mediveal 2 is out, and my copy is here!

I love the new attributes of the leaders, and I also like the religious aspect of the game.

The new minion trait, when it reaches 3rd level, gives your character "the Queen" honorific. Richard the Queen is conquering all of France!

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » November 28, 2006, 5:09 pm

The new minion trait, when it reaches 3rd level, gives your character "the Queen" honorific. Richard the Queen is conquering all of France!

Lol I love that one too.

I will be playing this game for 20000 years.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 28, 2006, 7:01 pm

I wants it ><

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 29, 2006, 5:52 pm

I haven't slept in a couple days. This game is really, really good. The new units and interactions really added a lot of depth into the game.

I actually find myself hoping for more girls to be born into my family line, so that I can use them to cement alliances with factions I do not wish to war upon, as well as grab up the best generals/rulers from enemy factions before they can be used against mine.

Priests are retardedly powerful, but because they are so cheap, everyone has them. Probably the easiest thing to overlook, but control of the College of Cardinals conveys a lot of power in this game.

Neziroth · Post by **Neziroth** » December 3, 2006, 9:05 pm

Im hooked, hopelessly.

I didn't do the tutorial so I don't understand a few of the aspects of this game, and the last Total War game I played was Shogun.

All of my generals are blasphemous and the fucking papal states keep hunting them down and killing them those fucks!

I'm this close || to declaring war on the papal states and ruining their fucking day!

For not doing the tutorial though I'm doing alright because I'm the #1 ranked faction on turn 90ish.

Just had a huge win over The Holy Romans, my army of 500 took out their 700 man army reinforced by 500 more. Military genius! Afterwords I offered them a ceasfire if they agreed to give me their largest non-capitol city, and they agreed. Hah! (they started that war, too)

Xorian · Post by **Xorian** » December 6, 2006, 12:31 pm

I'm installing it

Sleepless night ahead i fear

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 8, 2006, 2:07 am

dead cows over the wall

Truant · Post by **Truant** » December 26, 2006, 1:31 pm

I am playing this game.

right now.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » December 26, 2006, 1:38 pm

I am playign the campaign right now...That damn pope is pissing me off. Everytime I attack soemone he puts his foot down demanding that I make peace. Are there any real effects to being excommunicated?

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 26, 2006, 2:21 pm

Your people hate you, he calls crusades against your cities and everyone can kick your ass with impunity, so in short, yes.

The key is to take a city quickly, have him call peace, then excummunicate the other guy when he tries to take his city back.... then wipe him out. Either that or play spain or portugal (one is avail at the start) and wipe out the moors and play them.

Personally Sicily is the probably the easiest to play, plenty of enemies and if you can grab a good hold in north africa and the islands you can develop a massive trade network which is essential when you are recruiting the top troops later.

Ohhh and dominate the college of Cardinals, the Pope that was yours lets a lot more slide than one you voted against. Buy every priest you can and hunt out the witches and hertics with your youngest priests... that way they live a good long time as Cardinals... and hopefully the Poper himself

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » December 26, 2006, 3:04 pm

i really hate the RTS side of this game. I dont know what it is, i just think its completely dull and takes forever. I still play Company of Heroes every day so maybe i'm just RTS'd out

Ive just been playing by letting all the fights sort themselves out automatically. I'm sure I take greater losses but whatever

I feel you with the pope, man. I've only got a few more french cities to take over and I can be done with them but that dusty turd keeps threatening to cut me off. I need to hurry up because I have like 30 french princesses and diplomats floating all around my shit and I dont know how to get rid of them because assassination attempts are like 2% success rate.

Also, that fucking cocksucker called a crusade to the middle east and wanted me there in NINE turns. I'm in england gramps! Highways wont exist for hundreds of years! What a dick

Inquisitors fucking piss me off too. They keep wandering around and killing all of my guys.. They even killed a priest! How the fuck do I get rid of them... there must be a better way other than doing 1000 assassination attempts.

Neziroth · Post by **Neziroth** » December 26, 2006, 9:05 pm

I had a big inquisition in my lands when I decided to say fuck the pope and go ahead with my war with spain / france. I was england and I was finally getting some momentum when he called for peace. Screw that I had two french cities left to take with two huge armies in the vicinity, so I did it and finished it.

I got excommunicated and had the inquisition. He took out about 5 of my family members, two princes and I had 3 cities revolt and go rebel as well as an army.

I thought it was game over, but I'm bouncing back around turn 200.

Does the game just end after a certain amount of turns? It says I have 50 something left. How does it pick a winner? The mongols are #1 with me in a close #2.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 26, 2006, 11:03 pm

Every culture has objectives at the beginning, you can see what you need to control by the end there.

The pope is easily controlled, you are not building enough priests. He will let you do whatever you wish when he is a Pope from your faction, well damn near anything you wish anyways.

Crusades must be JOINED in 9 turns, not be there. You have a prince of king or whatever with 7 other troop groups (they can have 1 man left out of 60, still counts) and join crusade. Before turn 100 don't even bother, deal with mediocre faction with the pope, take lots of lands that are not under Poper control... either take out Southern Spain and North Africa or wait to see who gets excommunicated and strike them hard and fast... and build every priest you can, upgrade your churches, make more priests... then watch what happens when you have 7 of the cardinal votes... it is politics, priests are lawmakers... make OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of them! I will not join a crusade if I am under 25 provinces controlled, there is no point is wasting the time and effort unless I am just trying to do a massive cheap troop buildup before an ally takes the town in question.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » December 27, 2006, 12:56 pm

I just had my guy elected pope. He got lucky and killed a heretic a turn or two before the current pope (hated my guts) died.

The assassins are a pain in the ass. I finally have one that is really badass though. I pretty much moved him around until I found someone killable. It was an ally's princess but once I got that first kill and trait bonuses then I was able to kill others easier. The guy has killed like ten people now and has his own entourage. An enemy army was sieging and ally and I killed the leader. The army pulled up stakes and ran away. I chased him down and killed a couple more captains. He is almost maxed out and only 29 years old. Hopefully I will have him for another good 20 years.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » December 27, 2006, 12:58 pm

Forgot to ask my question. What do I do with the merchants? I know you can park them on a resource and attack other merchants but that seems to hardly give you anything. I even tried moving him far away and sitting on a resource. Most I have seen is like 40 per turn. Hardly worth the effort.

VariaVespasa · Post by **VariaVespasa** » December 28, 2006, 6:16 am

I always like to send a couple of diplomats to the far ends of the earth with a big bag of money and try to buy a rebel town or two out there. Its hard to do in Med2 but it can still be done (bought Caffa in my current game as scotland) and it provides a nice foothold on the far side of the world which can be handy. There's a good deal of save/reload after you successfully bribe a town till you finally get its loyalty sorted out, but the end result is worth it I think.

Auto-combats:- Its often worth it to use autocombat on castle assaults that you know are going to be successful. Most of the time it results in lower casualties than if you play it out. It also results in lighter enemy casualties also, but since the enemy forces cant usually escape a siege they tend to all wind up dead anyway so its not a real issue, and you wind up with the castle/town in any case. Only problem with autocombat town/castle assaults is that your artillery shares in the damage taken which can eventually whittle them down to uselessness.

*hugs*
Varia

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 28, 2006, 3:36 pm

Merchants may not seem like much until you have 30 or 40 of them, then it is the difference between starting a turn with 400 or 1900

Oliadar · Post by **Oliadar** » December 28, 2006, 7:00 pm

Merchants can make tons of money if they only buy out other merchants. Also, if you park a merchant on a resource they should hit double the initial amount per turn in a few turns, since it will increase their skill.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » December 29, 2006, 1:16 am

I keep hearing about the mongol invasion, but I have yet to see it.

I also usually let the computer fight for me, and crank the battle dif up to very hard. Some scenarios are worth doing, but you've seen one heavy cavalry charge, you've seen them all.

I think Rome actually had more vareity in the battles, but I didn't play all that many overall in that game either.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 29, 2006, 1:48 am

I pretty much play all my battles. Even tho I win most every battle I cant seem to get really rolling in this game. Everytime I start to do well I start getting attacked by multiple factions, Usually at least 1 is an ally. They cant ever take my cities, but with so many enemies it ends up taking to long to take ground....

Deward · Post by **Deward** » December 29, 2006, 1:43 pm

I am starting to get bored too. That fucking Pope keeps stopping my wars.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 29, 2006, 5:09 pm

Deward wrote:I am starting to get bored too. That fucking Pope keeps stopping my wars.

You can launch a campaign from turkey to morocco with impunity... why are you attacking in europe?

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » December 29, 2006, 6:15 pm

I started over as Venice and I think the game is much more fun as this faction.

The best thing is that I'm actually nearby places that I can safely fight. Theres tons of non-christians to the east to fuck with and its also easier to get my priests over there so they can start earing piety through conversion.

I also read a neat trick which seems to work pretty well- you can get 3-5 spies into an enemy city and then use assassins to sabotage their order-producing facilities. Doing that throws a city into discontent followed by a revolt 3 days later and it becomes a rebel faction which you can then assault without any political backlash.

One thing I'm regretting is my diplomats are all horrible. I have two level 10 assassins and my army and territory is twice the size of the next highest faction, but I cant negotiate for shit. Once people start a war with me, I HAVE to fight them.. they will never accept a ceasefire from my diplomats even if war with me means they will be eradicated. It forced me to kill off Milan because they were constantly attacking me, even though I just wanted to leave them alone and focus on the Byzantines and Hungary.

Venetians have badass naval units too. I have yet to get anything but a Clear Victory on any naval battles.. its good shit.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » December 29, 2006, 6:15 pm

10 inch rubber cock

Truant · Post by **Truant** » December 29, 2006, 11:27 pm

cadalano wrote:I started over as Venice and I think the game is much more fun as this faction.

The best thing is that I'm actually nearby places that I can safely fight. Theres tons of non-christians to the east to fuck with and its also easier to get my priests over there so they can start earing piety through conversion.

I also read a neat trick which seems to work pretty well- you can get 3-5 spies into an enemy city and then use assassins to sabotage their order-producing facilities. Doing that throws a city into discontent followed by a revolt 3 days later and it becomes a rebel faction which you can then assault without any political backlash.

One thing I'm regretting is my diplomats are all horrible. I have two level 10 assassins and my army and territory is twice the size of the next highest faction, but I cant negotiate for shit. Once people start a war with me, I HAVE to fight them.. they will never accept a ceasefire from my diplomats even if war with me means they will be eradicated. It forced me to kill off Milan because they were constantly attacking me, even though I just wanted to leave them alone and focus on the Byzantines and Hungary.

Venetians have badass naval units too. I have yet to get anything but a Clear Victory on any naval battles.. its good shit.

Yeah, I think my next game will be either the Spanish or the Ventians. I'm playing the english right now on a short campaign (I always do a short campaign first in order to unlock other factions). I suckered the Scottish into attacking me, causing their excommunication...at which point I rolled the hell out of them. Now to figure out how the hell I'm going to slay the frenches.

My diplomats also suck, I use them all the time, but their skill never goes up. I dunno what I'm doing wrong. Also, I have yet to sucessfully do an assassin mission which raises my skill. I've done several sabotage missions and have received no skill increases. Annoying.

Anyways, game is much fun. I do find myself running the autobattle more often in this game than the previous ones. I pretty much only run it manually if it's close to even or a losing scenario.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » December 30, 2006, 1:46 pm

Venice is my favorite game so far, but I've also got a game as the Russians started. They have assloads of rebels territory to take, but the best part is that they're Orthodox. They get princesses, but don't have to kiss the Pope's ass.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » December 30, 2006, 4:39 pm

Asshole frenches attacked me two turns before the pope died, and apparently hungary bought all the votes (including frances) so now they're in better shape than I am!

jackasses.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 1, 2007, 7:08 am

I play the catholic game only well enough to not get excommunicated. Got assassins everywhere to deal with heretics and inquisitors.

The only problem is if I stop long enough to convert all my provinces, I stop getting the papal favor I need to make up for my extracirricular activities against Milan and Sicily.

Loving Russia also. I slaughtered a few or the outlying provinces since I could, and I have a dude with 3 or 4 dread traits, each only at the first stage. He's also got a shitload of stars, so I think I've found my Impaler. I can't wait to take France. Everyone dies. No one lives.

VariaVespasa · Post by **VariaVespasa** » January 1, 2007, 11:24 am

Was gonna say- orthodox nations dont have to worry about pope stuff. Definitely a plus in my current russia game, and I would imagine its the same for the byzantines too.

But- in both of my other games I've played, and in the game I saw on my friends comp, the mongols and the tamirids always came on around arabia and bagdad and play whackamole with the egyptians and turkey. But now in my russian game do they come in around arabia and bagdad? Noooooo, the mongols come in around the caspian sea and come after me!!! Bastards!

Varia