UCLA Student tazer'd-

Breagen · Post by **Breagen** » November 17, 2006, 5:15 am

News story:
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-cellc ... 9310.story

Video: (Probably on Youtube etc as well)
http://www.break.com/index/student_gets ... ng_id.html

Curious what people's opinion on this is. Seems to me that both sides made the situation a lot worse than it had to be. The kid was in the wrong seeing as it was a known rule to have ID available after certain hours and refusing to either display it or leave when he didn't have it means the cops were required to remove him. It also seemed like he was trying to make a scene once it started though when he started yelling and ranting, almost felt scripted.

However, I can't see any reason why it was necessary for the cops to go to the extent of shocking him 5-6 times in order to subdue and remove him from the library. It seems counterproductive to continue shocking someone when you want them to stand up considering the entire point of tazers is to incapacitate people so they aren't a physical threat anymore. I'm sure lots of people can take tazers and either not fall down or get right back up but there are plenty of people that can't.

The one thing that truly stood out to me was at the very end when one of the cops threatens a student in a white shirt who is asking for his badge number with being tazer'd as well if he doesn't leave. Regardless of agreeing/disagreeing on excessive force used on the original student there is no justification for threatening a student asking for your badge number with violence if they don't leave.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 17, 2006, 7:24 am

This is what happens when you give minimum wage rent-a-cops LTL gear without any training whatsover beyond 'this button turns it on'

Expecting any normal person to stand up after being handcuffed and then tasered even once is shows an amazing lack of understanding and gross stupidity. The electrical current siezes up your muscles so you cannot move them.. That is the whole fucking point of the device. It's called a stun gun for a reason. It's not a fucking punishment device for non-compliance; it is an incapacitator.

The guards should be fired and the university will be paying this guy a fuckload of punitive damages which they richly deserve to lose by hiring and training such an irresponsible security force. Regardless if the guy was a student or not, the security went way overboard.

The company that makes them (Taser Corporation?) markets tasers as completely harmless devices that magically makes people compliant. The training videos that come when you buy them (this is how people get "trained" to use one) show like huge hulking behemoths getting shocked by a taser and then putting his hands on his head and going "I GIVE UP GOVNUH! I SHOULD HAVE NEVER CHOSEN A LIFE OF CRIME!" These weapons need to be registered and you should have to be certified on it by a certified instructor, AND you should have to get zapped by one once before given permission to use one in the line of duty.

edit: lol the guy was an arab

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 17, 2006, 8:56 am

Damn!!! Guess he should of left.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » November 17, 2006, 10:22 am

Everyone knows that it is a criminal act to use a library. I bet all the thugs are hanging out there now!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 17, 2006, 10:59 am

Boogahz wrote:Everyone knows that it is a criminal act to use a library. I bet all the thugs are hanging out there now!

Im sure that UCLA set up the rule to protect students late at night. Maybe there is an issue with women getting attacked of harrassed at night, we dont know. who knows?

noel · Post by **noel** » November 17, 2006, 11:06 am

It's not that he was using the library. Anyone/Everyone can use UCLA's library, but after certain hours it's only for students and you're required to show ID. Every student, and all of the staff, has a 'Bruin Card'. He shows them that from the getgo and there's no issue. No video... nothing. The rules are clearly understood and it has NOTHING to do with the Patriot Act or what he was doing in the library at the time. He could have been reading a book about Ghandi, but that doesn't change the fact that he didn't comply with a very reasonable demand when it was put before him.

The thing I don't like about that video is that obviously it's only taken at the end of the event. It doesn't show anything that led up to it, and it's not clear what occurred that caused the University Police Department to be called to the library in the first place (I'll go back and read the article). Clearly they had several officers present there so it wasn't like they were just doing a routine ID check.

I do think they should have just cuffed him and taken him out of the library and THEN tazed him 5-6 times, maybe in a cell or while tied to the back of a police car... all that guy had to do was calm the fuck down and act reasonable in the first place and none of that shit happens.

Edit: Cart's right. There've been women raped on campus more than a few times. The UCPD normally does a really good job, and I'm surprised it came to that. It's really disheartening that at some point, we're going to potentially have our police force's hands tied behind them because of a few video clips of either individual officers making bad decisions, or videos that look a certain way given context. There are some really awful, bad people out there, and it will be horrible if innocent people die because the police are no longer in a position to enforce the law.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 17, 2006, 11:09 am

noel wrote:It's not that he was using the library. Anyone/Everyone can use UCLA's library, but after certain hours it's only for students and you're required to show ID. Every student, and all of the staff, has a 'Bruin Card'. He shows them that from the getgo and there's no issue. No video nothing. The rules are clearly understood and it has NOTHING to do with the Patriot Act or whate he was doing in the library at the time. He could have been reading a book about Ghandi, but that doesn't change the fact that he didn't comply with a very reasonable demand when it was put before him.

The thing I don't like about that video is that obviously it's only taken at the end of the event. It doesn't show anything that led up to it, and it's not clear what occurred that caused the University Police Department to be called to the library in the first place (I'll go back and read the article). Clearly they had several officers present there so it wasn't like they were just doing a routine ID check.

I do think they should have just cuffed him and taken him out of the library and THEN tazed him 5-6 times, maybe in a cell or while tied to the back of a police car... all that guy had to do was calm the fuck down and act reasonable in the first place and none of that shit happens.

Well Said

noel · Post by **noel** » November 17, 2006, 11:15 am

Cartalas wrote:Well Said

Thanks. I was joking about the the cell/police car thing. It just infuriates me when people try to make a single stupid incident relate to a much larger problem like the patriot act or whatever.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 17, 2006, 11:54 am

noel wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Well Said
Thanks. I was joking about the the cell/police car thing. It just infuriates me when people try to make a single stupid incident relate to a much larger problem like the patriot act or whatever.

That's The American Way tho, innit? Over-exaggerate EVERYTHING then you might be able to sue somebody! SET 4 LIEF MANG!

noel · Post by **noel** » November 17, 2006, 12:10 pm

Certainly some Americans are like that.

/tangent
There was a guy who was a good friend of mine. He was about 40ish, I was 25ish at the time... He bought a new Colnago bike... It cost him somewhere in the neighborhood of 6k. We went out on a ride for his first bike ride, and an old woman made a left turn in front of him where she was (without going into a ridiculous amount of detail) 100% at fault. His bike was destroyed, and he had taken the brunt of the impact on the top of his helmet which had hit the side of his car. His back was basically jacked up. At that point he could have sued her for whatever he wanted. He only had her replace the bike, and pay for his emergency room visit.

He told me later that if he'd done more than that, he didn't feel like he would've been able to look his 5 year old son in the face. It's a real shame more people aren't like that.

laneela · Post by **laneela** » November 17, 2006, 1:10 pm

I don't know, Noel. They may have had a fantastic reason for being there and for all I know, he was committing some heinous crime for which he should have definately been arrested and locked up for the rest of his life, but that doesn't exculpate the police for using extraordinarily excessive force.

There was at least three officers at the beginning of the video (by the end, there seems to have been about five). They could have easily pulled him up off the seat, handcuffed him and carried him down the stairs and then add "resisting" to the charges. There was no need whatsoever to taser him even once and five or six times is a definite abuse of power.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 17, 2006, 1:26 pm

I'm not excusing the tasering. I agree with you there.

My point is that 'for the safety of the students', after 10 or 11PM or whatever it is, you have to show a student ID if you're in that library. I read through the news article, and it's clear that initially he was approached by a 'community service' individual. At that point he refused to show ID and he refused to leave. It was then that the community service individual called the campus police. This ID check happens every single night in that library, so it shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone and certainly it's not a violation of anyone's constitutional rights. At that point, he needed to either present his ID or leave peacefully and everything would have been fine. He didn't do that, and now we have this bullshit. It's sad really. People like this do deserve a beating, but if law enforcement does it, it's clearly bad for everyone.

This story is near and dear to my heart because my wife is an employee at UCLA and I'm a former contract employee there. They've been doing this ID check (at least) since she was a student there and that's going back 12 years! This check should have been a simple thing, and a surprise to no one.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » November 17, 2006, 1:27 pm

Those policemen should be tazered 6 times too.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 17, 2006, 6:30 pm

noel wrote:I do think they should have just cuffed him and taken him out of the library and THEN tazed him 5-6 times, maybe in a cell or while tied to the back of a police car... all that guy had to do was calm the fuck down and act reasonable in the first place and none of that shit happens..

what tthe fuck is the matter with people like you

noel wrote:Edit: Cart's right. There've been women raped on campus more than a few times. The UCPD normally does a really good job, and I'm surprised it came to that. It's really disheartening that at some point, we're going to potentially have our police force's hands tied behind them because of a few video clips of either individual officers making bad decisions, or videos that look a certain way given context. There are some really awful, bad people out there, and it will be horrible if innocent people die because the police are no longer in a position to enforce the law.

So far lately there has been videos of a) A cop maliciously pepper spraying a guy in the face who was already cuffed and sitting in a patrol car. b) a cop punching a guy repeatedly in the face, and c) a bunch of campus rent-a-cops torturing a student with a taser for forgetting his library card.

Actual films of police doing their job properly don't make the news. Can you imagine why?

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » November 17, 2006, 6:41 pm

He already said he was joking...

noel · Post by **noel** » November 17, 2006, 9:15 pm

Listen you pompous, know-nothing, bitch... They're not rent a cops. I know you think you know everything there is to know about everything, but the UCPD are... wait for it... ACTUAL POLICE officers. What the fuck are they supposed to do if someone doesn't comply to a simple request? Call in the fucking Army? No, they escalate the situation under what are supposed to be clear rules of engagement. I wasn't there, and neither were you, but I'm not going to judge the actions of the police until I have more information about what the fuck happened.

I have no idea how the hell you can even talk about what happened here and what happened in the other situations in the same breath. Each one of them should be investigated separately and handled separately. It's not a situation of every cop in America on a power trip, it's a situation where a few guys either A) are on a power trip or B) make a bad decision, and potentially overstep their authority. I am absolutely not for that, but you can't generalize all police because a few people deliberately or otherwise make mistakes. Actually, I'm sure you CAN do that since you know every fucking thing.

For the record, there's plenty of footage of police officers doing their jobs and doing a good job in the adverse conditions that they work in, but I'm not surprised you conveniently ignore that in an effort to bolster your shitty argument.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » November 17, 2006, 9:45 pm

I think there is an issue in general with the usage of "less than lethal force"...I think police departmeents in general need to review their conditions of use...I am hearing more and more often about repeated taserings and cases in which ltlf becomes lethal.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » November 17, 2006, 10:03 pm

I don't know if you're watching the same video the rest of us are watching there Noel, but the guy clearly said he would leave, and in fact screamed it at the top of his lungs several times and was still tasered afterward. I saw an interview with a witness who said the guy put his backpack on his shoulder and got up to leave.

In any event, there is no question excessive force was used in this situation. Unless you think it is completely ok for someone to be tasered for not having a fucking library card.

Wait, wait, wait. He's a sand nigger so it's justified, right Cart?

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » November 17, 2006, 10:14 pm

Yeah, I just dont understand why in the world you ever need to use violent action on someone who is non violent. If the person is no threat to you, why must excessive force be used.... ever? This stupid kid should have just been dragged out of the library like a special ed student. Instead the idiot police officers had to make themselves feel big.

Oh yeah and it'd be nice if I could understand what they were all saying in the video.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 17, 2006, 10:18 pm

Xyun, I don't think I'm being unreasonable here. I'm not stating that the level of force used was appropriate. I'm simply stating that I wasn't there and I won't speak to it other than to state that it would seem to me that it was an excessive use of force, but that I'm unable to be certain having not been there.

The argument that I'm making, and I have yet to see anyone disagree with me is that the situation should never, ever have gotten to that point for any reason. It's not like the community service individual asked the person to present the card or leave and then when he refused the police automatically appeared and started tasing him. I'm sure he was spoken too extremely politely when he was initially approached by both the service personnel and the UCPD. I just can't fathom how the situation gets to that point unless the individual, not the law enforcement personnel is doing something wrong. I think it's a damn shame that there's no account of that side of the incident.

I also find it interesting that you bring up his race. I noted it when I read the article, and I almost posted about it earlier. At a campus like UCLA, it certainly seems like there are more Asians (especially), Indians, Arabs and Persians than there are white people. I seriously doubt that was an issue on that campus in that library at that time, but... sadly ignorance seemingly knows no bounds.

I certainly wouldn't say that racism doesn't exist in Southern California... ignorance is everywhere, but compared to many of the states I've visited you generally don't feel that race is an issue here. Feel free to say that it's because I'm white and I don't understand what I'm talking about, and I'll grant you that without the perspective of having a different color of skin it's difficult for me to truly know. As a white kid growing up in So Cal, there were so many other races and cultures around me at all times that I rarely gave it much thought and didn't really understand what was going on when I lived in Florida for a year and saw very overt racism.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » November 17, 2006, 10:19 pm

Ultimately, there isn't any justification for it.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 17, 2006, 10:43 pm

I just saw his lawyer being interviewed on MSNBC. Apparently when he was initially questioned about his ID, he asked the community service individual to question the white people first so that he would know he wasn't being racially profiled and it went on from there.

Glad he was insightful enough to determine they were racially profiling him.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 17, 2006, 11:01 pm

noel wrote:Listen you pompous, know-nothing, bitch... They're not rent a cops. I know you think you know everything there is to know about everything, but the UCPD are... wait for it... ACTUAL POLICE officers.

A rent-a-cop is a rent-a-cop. You think patrolling a campus is even in the same league as patrolling a real juristiction? You don't even need POST to become a UCLA officer. That is BARE MINIMUM in any real juristiction.

What the fuck are they supposed to do if someone doesn't comply to a simple request?[/quote[

The hell? They fucked tasered him. Are you an idiot. When you taser someone, you INCAPACITATE THEM. Do you honestly think tasering someone and then ordering them to stand up (WHILE THEY ARE FUCKING HANDCUFFED) is perfectly acceptable police work?

I have no idea how the hell you can even talk about what happened here and what happened in the other situations in the same breath.

WHAT? You fucking brought it up, not me. How can I talk about what happened here and in the other situations in the same breath? What the fuck is wrong with your brain? Uhh, maybe because all three are extremely obvious situations where law enforcement (or in this case, paid thugs hired by UCLA) applied a level of force WAY BEYOND what was required to do their job.

For the record, there's plenty of footage of police officers doing their jobs and doing a good job in the adverse conditions that they work in, but I'm not surprised you conveniently ignore that in an effort to bolster your shitty argument.
Huh? What do you think my argument even is?

pompus
lol? Did I wake up on Bizarro's square planet? First Cartalas and Winnow talk about me making one liners, now quite possibly the most sanctimonious douche I have ever had the displeasure of interacting with on the internets is calling me pompous? Wjhat is next? Is Sylvus going to call me fat?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 18, 2006, 1:35 am

Xyun wrote:I don't know if you're watching the same video the rest of us are watching there Noel, but the guy clearly said he would leave, and in fact screamed it at the top of his lungs several times and was still tasered afterward. I saw an interview with a witness who said the guy put his backpack on his shoulder and got up to leave.

In any event, there is no question excessive force was used in this situation. Unless you think it is completely ok for someone to be tasered for not having a fucking library card.

Wait, wait, wait. He's a sand nigger so it's justified, right Cart?

Where did I say it was alright? What I said in my first post was " I guess he should of left" My 2nd post was about the fact that there is a reason why only students are allowed in the building after a certin hour.

Now if what Noel said was true and the young man said " card some white people first" Well that was a stupid thing to say it got his ass Tasered. The smart thing to do would of been to leave and file a complaint. So in a nutshell I dont care if he was White,black or Troy Aikman he was asked to leave and he didnt, did they use to much force? YES they did, but it boils down to the dumb ass should of left.

P.S Kooky come back in a week or so I have never seen you take a beating on this site like you have the last couple of days, Go lick your wounds.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » November 18, 2006, 1:38 am

It boils down to both, the emphasis being on the policemen acting like savages over a pretty unimportant small infraction.

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » November 18, 2006, 1:53 am

After watching the clip a couple of times I agree and disagree with how they handled it. IMO, the kid deserved to get tased. They give them to cops for a reason. He was being unruly, failed to listen to a police request, and was being a douche. Do I think they should have zapped him six times? No. But nailing him once should have set him straight. And as far as I know Kyo, in order to have a taser, you have to get zapped once yourself so you know what it's like.. Example: http://youtube.com/watch?v=B2eSvsTbXIE.

I'm a student (Criminal Justice Major..Ironic?) and quite frankly, I fully support the rule. I have no problem showing anyone my ID if asked for it. I dont agree with the officers threatening to tase the students requesting their badge numbers and names because they weren't a threat to the cops. Since I'm not a cop (yet), I can't begin to think what was going through their head. But I'm willing to believe they didn't have a clear state of mine when he said that. But it's still no excuse.

They'll probably get paid leave as PR move to show that the police care about the situation and if the student tries to sue they'll either settle or he'll get laughed at because he was wrong, didn't follow the rules, and was being a prick.

And I agree with Noel, the video doesn't show the whole situation transpire.[/url]

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 18, 2006, 4:03 am

Soreali wrote:After watching the clip a couple of times I agree and disagree with how they handled it. IMO, the kid deserved to get tased. They give them to cops for a reason. He was being unruly, failed to listen to a police request, and was being a douche.

Being a douche justifies police brutality? If only I could taze everyone for being a douche, I'd need mine hooked up to it's own hydro electric dam just to post in these forums. It is nice to see that Americans think you should be tazed multiple times for acting like a whiny bitch

Do I think they should have zapped him six times? No. But nailing him once should have set him straight.

Nailing him once probably did set him straight. Nailing him once also completely froze the major muscles in all for limbs, rendering him incapable of complying with their commands. Y'know, my entire fucking point?

And as far as I know Kyo, in order to have a taser, you have to get zapped once yourself so you know what it's like.. Example: http://youtube.com/watch?v=B2eSvsTbXIE.

Getting tazed isn't mandatory to carry one in any juristiction that I'm awre of and I challenge you to find any that does. I doubt the McCops in the UCLA "police" are given anything beyond the propaganda training tapes the company provides.

And I agree with Noel, the video doesn't show the whole situation transpire.

You're absolutely right, it doesn't. I don't see how that is a substantive argument for tazing someone multiple times after he is laying on the ground and begging them to stop torturing him. That argument could go either way. You could say that he was probably frothing at the mouth and threatening to kill the guards and rape their wives and had a stick of dynamtie clenched in his teeth. I could just as easily say that they were obviously racially profiling him when they carded him and he was pissed off about it.

I sincerely hope you reconsider your career path if you think tazing someone 4-6 times and demanding he stand up, and then tazing him again and again as punishment for not complying is a perfectly reasonable thing to do to someone who may or may not be trespassing on semi private property. Maybe you could wash golf balls or sweep up hair at a barber shop instead?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 18, 2006, 4:08 am

noel wrote:The argument that I'm making, and I have yet to see anyone disagree with me is that the situation should never, ever have gotten to that point for any reason.

No actually that wasn't your argument at all.

And no racism in southern california? I cannot even begin to fucking fathom the depths of that level of ignorance. That is almost without question the most ludicrous goddam thing I've heard come out of _anyone's_ mouth ever.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » November 18, 2006, 6:11 am

I agree that this guy could've and should've avoided this confrontation. Being an Iranian in modern America demands a certain level of awareness and cooperation. I imagine it is much like being a Japanese in America during WWII. The fundamental problem with this guy is that he doesn't think he should be racially profiled and reacted accordingly, which is extremely naive. Whether it is right or wrong is beside the fucking point. It is gonna happen so accept it and be fucking prepared.

Nevertheless, there is no question in my mind about the display of obvious excessive force by these cops. You cannot convince me that they had to zap the guy 6 times to achieve their objective. They are clearly at fault.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 18, 2006, 7:14 am

Xyun wrote:I imagine it is much like being a Japanese in America during WWII.

They were iin concentration camps. In Canada too.

Probably didn't get tasered though!

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » November 18, 2006, 9:13 am

Kyo, read carefully... I'll even put it in bold for you. I don't agree with the cops using the taser on him 5-6 times. And as for the whole freezing every muscle thing goes, if you watch that clip or any other clip showing cops getting tased, you'll see that seconds after it happens they're perfectly fine (At least as far as movement goes). I'll do a little research and talk to a couple of my professors to see if they can find out if there are any requirements for carrying/using a taser.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 18, 2006, 9:46 am

The effects of a taser are dependant on how long the current is applied for. Anything over one second will cramp your muscles to the point where you cannot use them. You can hear in the video that it is being applied much longer than that.

You said he deserved to get tased. I vehemently disagree with you. A taser is something you use on someone who is being violent or a credible threat to you. It is not a punishment for being disobediant. It is a very dangerous tool and there are dozens of deaths as a result of tasering someone.

Campus security could have dragged him out by the seat of his pants, instead they chose to torture him with a taser. I fail to see where there is even argument about this.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » November 18, 2006, 2:30 pm

Kyo wrote:Getting tazed isn't mandatory to carry one in any juristiction that I'm awre of and I challenge you to find any that does.

I come from a small city (~110k population), and I have family members who are members of the police force. There is a policy in place in this city that officers who use less-than-lethal-force weapons have to get hit by them first. My family member has been pepper sprayed, tear gassed, tazed, etc. I would share the jurisdiction but it's anecdotal anyway and I don't really want all the internet to know my hometown, so I won't. Nevertheless, I'm confident that I don't just happen to come from the only city in the United States that does things that way.

kyo wrote:You said he deserved to get tased. I vehemently disagree with you. A taser is something you use on someone who is being violent or a credible threat to you. It is not a punishment for being disobediant. It is a very dangerous tool and there are dozens of deaths as a result of tasering someone.

Campus security could have dragged him out by the seat of his pants, instead they chose to torture him with a taser. I fail to see where there is even argument about this.

That said, I totally agree with this.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » November 19, 2006, 1:41 pm

kyoukan wrote:A rent-a-cop is a rent-a-cop. You think patrolling a campus is even in the same league as patrolling a real juristiction? You don't even need POST to become a UCLA officer. That is BARE MINIMUM in any real juristiction.

Don't know about UCLA but when I went to UT and KSU both places had real cops as campus police who had full rights to follow and act off campus as well. They had full jurisdiction in the city.

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » November 19, 2006, 3:55 pm

Kelsh, Kansas State or Kennesaw State?

I'm assuming the former. All Kennesaw State U. officers have the power of arrest and the authority to enforce all state laws. Their jurisdiction includes the entire campus and extends to 500 yards outside any KSU property controlled by the state Board of Regents. If an offense occurs within the officers' jurisdiction, they can leave this area to pursue the offender.

This property includes any Georgia Board of Regents campuses and property.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 19, 2006, 5:44 pm

UCLA security guards are technically real cops. They are empowered under the california penal code to enforce the law just like any other peace officer. McDonalds fry cooks are technically chefs, too.

The qualifications to become a UCLA cop is: high school diploma or GED. WOW.

I'm sure that scraping up drunken frat boys off the concrete and confiscating Noel's GHB really prepares them for actual police work. You can see how elite they are by the efficient way they remove Iranian students from the library.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » November 19, 2006, 6:12 pm

Vaemas wrote:Kelsh, Kansas State or Kennesaw State?

Neither actually

Kent State and University of Texas.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » November 19, 2006, 7:37 pm

Kelshara wrote:
kyoukan wrote:A rent-a-cop is a rent-a-cop. You think patrolling a campus is even in the same league as patrolling a real juristiction? You don't even need POST to become a UCLA officer. That is BARE MINIMUM in any real juristiction.
Don't know about UCLA but when I went to UT and KSU both places had real cops as campus police who had full rights to follow and act off campus as well. They had full jurisdiction in the city.

Yeah, UT Campus police officers are part of the Austin Police Department. Kyoukan just likes to over-generalize everything and act like she knows something ALL of the time. She has a good post about once a month.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2006, 9:55 pm

kyoukan wrote:UCLA security guards are technically real cops. They are empowered under the california penal code to enforce the law just like any other peace officer.

Thanks for the update, but I already said that. Perhaps you don't know what the words, 'minimum requirements' mean, but I assure you there are very few employees at UCLA who just met the minimum requirements...

"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire.

I also never said that there wasn't racism in Southern California... It's certainly not American History X everywhere down here though. I would guess that there's a very low amount of racism, overt or otherwise in Westwood, CA. I'm sure you've never been there for any length of time, but that won't stop you from providing your expert commentary.

Xyun: I appreciate you saying that. I think that's a fair appraisal (for better or worse) of the state of law enforcement and individuals of middle eastern/persian descent at present. My best friend was born in Iran, and I know he has to deal with occasionally. To date he's been treated fairly, but unless something truly wrong was happening, he feels that cooperating with law-enforcement... following their instructions/providing identification is the best course of action in the short-term, and dealing with racial profiling would be something to do after the situation was over.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 19, 2006, 10:34 pm

noel wrote:
kyoukan wrote:UCLA security guards are technically real cops. They are empowered under the california penal code to enforce the law just like any other peace officer.
Thanks for the update, but I already said that. Perhaps you don't know what the words, 'minimum requirements' mean,

Way to cut off the rest of my post when I was actually making my point. I bet that tactic that works amazingly well among your intellectual peers.

but I assure you there are very few employees at UCLA who just met the minimum requirements...

I thought you said you worked there?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 20, 2006, 10:04 am

kyoukan wrote:UCLA security guards are technically real cops. They are empowered under the california penal code to enforce the law just like any other peace officer. McDonalds fry cooks are technically chefs, too.

The qualifications to become a UCLA cop is: high school diploma or GED. WOW.

That is the requirement for EVERY cop you stupid eskimo. Of course you also have to go through the exact same Peace Officer training course that every other cop in the state attends. There is no super sekrit training that police go through after getting their POTC that makes them more or less of a police officer than someone who works for any other division.

And yes...every department that I know of requires the tazing, peper spray etc......since it is administered at the school that EVERYONE goes through.

I am glad that you do know everything though....because I would have just been lost without your ever so informative insight into the world of US law enforcement.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 20, 2006, 3:45 pm

Nice reading comprehension. No, really!

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » November 21, 2006, 4:05 am

noel wrote:Listen you pompous, know-nothing, bitch... They're not rent a cops. I know you think you know everything there is to know about everything, but the UCPD are... wait for it... ACTUAL POLICE officers. What the fuck are they supposed to do if someone doesn't comply to a simple request? Call in the fucking Army? No, they escalate the situation under what are supposed to be clear rules of engagement. I wasn't there, and neither were you, but I'm not going to judge the actions of the police until I have more information about what the fuck happened.

I have no idea how the hell you can even talk about what happened here and what happened in the other situations in the same breath. Each one of them should be investigated separately and handled separately. It's not a situation of every cop in America on a power trip, it's a situation where a few guys either A) are on a power trip or B) make a bad decision, and potentially overstep their authority. I am absolutely not for that, but you can't generalize all police because a few people deliberately or otherwise make mistakes. Actually, I'm sure you CAN do that since you know every fucking thing.

For the record, there's plenty of footage of police officers doing their jobs and doing a good job in the adverse conditions that they work in, but I'm not surprised you conveniently ignore that in an effort to bolster your shitty argument.

somehow i don't think they put the cream of the crop on a college campus.

Post by **pyrella** » September 18, 2007, 4:33 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/studen ... index.html

Tasers for everyone!

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » September 18, 2007, 4:39 pm

that kid was obviously a criminal if they felt the need to tase him

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 18, 2007, 6:28 pm

At my alma mater, no less.

Kerry even wanted to answer the questions, but the gestapo felt it was time for high voltage. Sickening.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 18, 2007, 7:15 pm

"He apparently asked several questions -- he went on for quite awhile -- then he was asked to stop," university spokesman Steve Orlando said. "He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off, then he became upset."

As two officers take Meyer by the arms, Kerry, D-Massachusetts, can be heard saying, "That's alright, let me answer his question."

Audience members applaud, and Meyer struggles for several seconds as up to four officers try to remove him from the room. Meyer screams for help and tries to break away from officers, then is forced to the ground and officers order him to stop resisting.

I have no idea why he was asked to stop since apparently Kerry didn't ask him to be removed. However, the guy was swearing and resisting removal. If he would have just gone peacefully I'm sure he would have been just fine. But he wanted to cause a scene so I'm not feeling much sympathy for him getting zapped.

To clarify I'm not sure he needed to be removed in the first place. But once the process was in motion he should have just left as they asked and life would have been fine. The next day he could file any grievances he had with the police.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » September 18, 2007, 9:12 pm

He had been speaking for 7 minutes prior to that clip. He had completely used the time allowed for him to speak in. They signaled him that his time was up, he continued. They cut his mic, and he made a scene. Security came to escort him, he was tazer'd because he resisted.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » September 18, 2007, 9:24 pm

As Truant stated the event is how I understand it to have gone down. Based on that I dont see that they did anything wrong to this guy. Even after there was 4 trying to contain him he kept resisting and that led to him going down and being zapped. I want to beat him for being a pud.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » September 18, 2007, 9:57 pm

If you listen they very clearly state to him that if he does not cooperate he will be tazed, and with ample time for him to cooperate before being tazed.

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