al-Zarqawi

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » June 8, 2006, 6:15 am

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/

Nick · Post by **Nick** » June 8, 2006, 7:10 am

anyone actually buy it?

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » June 8, 2006, 9:12 am

tell us the truth, Nick

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 8, 2006, 9:28 am

Good they got him. Won't change much, but still, good they got him.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 8, 2006, 9:49 am

This will have a lot larger impact on Bush than on the war itself. That said, I am far from sad to see him go.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » June 8, 2006, 10:51 am

Quick impersonation, Bang! Fuck! I'm dead!

Name that movie! (Except Aslanna!)

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 8, 2006, 11:10 am

I am not sure we would claim it without being sure, because the propaganda hit of him releasing a video the next day would be huge.

BUT that being said, I do not think this means anything in the big picture.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » June 8, 2006, 11:38 am

Siji wrote:Quick impersonation, Bang! Fuck! I'm dead!

Name that movie! (Except Aslanna!)

The Crow... (on a copletely derailed note... I actually started watching the Crow 4 the other day.... kid from T2, Tara Ried, guy from angel, Tank from the Matrix and Tito Ortiz! Talk about an all star cast in a movie that I cant watch for more than 10 minutes...

)

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » June 8, 2006, 12:07 pm

Ransure wrote:The Crow... (on a copletely derailed note... I actually started watching the Crow 4 the other day.... kid from T2, Tara Ried, guy from angel, Tank from the Matrix and Tito Ortiz! Talk about an all star cast in a movie that I cant watch for more than 10 minutes... )

Don't forget Dennis Hopper. Although after seeing his performance you may want to.

But yeah that movie was pure suckage.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » June 8, 2006, 12:15 pm

Yep he's toast, this is a very good thing no matter your stance on the US in Iraq, he is wormfood now and the world is a better place.

Post by **Sylvus** » June 8, 2006, 12:19 pm

While I haven't seen the pictures/video of his dead body, from what I heard on talk radio this morning it looked like it was pretty clearly him.

I found it interesting (from what I heard) how they ended up catching him, as I hadn't been following his exploits too closely. Apparently a couple months ago US officials spread the word that he was basically irrelevant and had little to do with the insurgency. That ended up baiting him into making the infamous tape of him shooting his machine gun wearing New Balance sneakers, which intelligence then analyzed the people around him and the vehicles in the picture and began following his supporters, eventually leading to finding his hideout.

Good work on that one, boys!

miir · Post by **miir** » June 8, 2006, 12:27 pm

I doubt this is going to change much.

If anything, I think martyring this guy will just add fuel to the insurgency. But whatever... I'm sure there will be lots of high 5s and backslapping.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » June 8, 2006, 12:36 pm

yeh its clear that the insurgency isnt going anywhere soon. but forget that. i'm just glad this sick fuck is dead

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 8, 2006, 1:06 pm

Sylvus wrote:That ended up baiting him into making the infamous tape of him shooting his machine gun wearing New Balance sneakers, which intelligence then analyzed the people around him and the vehicles in the picture and began following his supporters, eventually leading to finding his hideout.

Good work on that one, boys!

Our intelligence was able track him down by his shoes/tracks? That's cool. : )

If we got the combined cast of all three CSI shows over to Iraq, this whole thing would be over in a month.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » June 8, 2006, 1:53 pm

I hate to agree with Miir but to a large extent I do. I think this guy deserved what happened to him but I doubt it will change much. A new leader will pop up, just like he did in the first place, and it will be business as usual with a new martyr in pantheon.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 8, 2006, 2:01 pm

Wulfran wrote:I hate to agree with Miir but to a large extent I do. I think this guy deserved what happened to him but I doubt it will change much. A new leader will pop up, just like he did in the first place, and it will be business as usual with a new martyr in pantheon.

Taking out al-Zarqawi may not make an immediate difference but in the long run, if our intelligence gathing is improving, it's a step in the right direction.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 8, 2006, 2:27 pm

Winnow wrote:
Wulfran wrote:I hate to agree with Miir but to a large extent I do. I think this guy deserved what happened to him but I doubt it will change much. A new leader will pop up, just like he did in the first place, and it will be business as usual with a new martyr in pantheon.

Taking out al-Zarqawi may not make an immediate difference but in the long run, if our intelligence gathing is improving, it's a step in the right direction.

Yes, of course it is.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 8, 2006, 4:12 pm

Winnow wrote:
Wulfran wrote:I hate to agree with Miir but to a large extent I do. I think this guy deserved what happened to him but I doubt it will change much. A new leader will pop up, just like he did in the first place, and it will be business as usual with a new martyr in pantheon.

Taking out al-Zarqawi may not make an immediate difference but in the long run, if our intelligence gathing is improving, it's a step in the right direction.

bin Laden?

Splatter · Post by **Splatter** » June 8, 2006, 4:14 pm

Kelshara wrote:bin Laden?

Who the hell is that?

noel · Post by **noel** » June 8, 2006, 4:40 pm

Splatter wrote:
Kelshara wrote:bin Laden?
Who the hell is that?

LOL

I agree though. I would have killed this fucker myself, but all that's going to happen is the three guys (or whatever) who worked below him and were waiting for him to die are now going to vie for power and replace him.

The only way to diminish the insurgency is going to be to change the values, change the opinions of the US, and make sure there's an alternate path. Dropping bombs isn't going to accomplish that. It's too bad for Bush that he needed something like this so badly for the press. It would have been better to just take this fucker out and never say anything to anyone so as not to martyr him.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » June 8, 2006, 5:52 pm

Splatter wrote:
Kelshara wrote:bin Laden?
Who the hell is that?

Hes the guy that sunk Titanic, right? Or wait, was that Iraq too?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 8, 2006, 9:36 pm

Mission Accomplished

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 8, 2006, 10:13 pm

I'm seriously surprised the libs on this board aren't all over the report that a woman and child died in the bomb attack.

I kind of miss the whining!

Nick · Post by **Nick** » June 8, 2006, 10:31 pm

I guess that's my job.

OMG A CHILD DIED

He's a fucking murderous psycho who deserved to die and after the pics I'm fully prepared to believe it. Doesn't change the fact it's a stinking illegal unnecessary war that America shouldn't have started.

If you as a collective group of people in a country actually gave a shit about 911 and the war on al qaeda you wouldn't be anywhere near Iraq and would be going after Bin Laden instead of sitting waxing lyrical every day about the pro's and con's of Bush's idiotic foreign policy and the danger it's put you in and deaths of countless thousands of innocent iraqi's.

Sort it out.

Hoarmurath · Post by **Hoarmurath** » June 8, 2006, 10:47 pm

Winnow wrote:Our intelligence was able track him down by his shoes/tracks?

No, he was ratted out by one of his own people.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 8, 2006, 10:56 pm

would have been nice if you could have killed him without levelling half of the fucking block his house was on. you probably created about 5 more anti US fighters by killing one low rung, media made bad guy.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 8, 2006, 11:08 pm

Winnow wrote:I'm seriously surprised the libs on this board aren't all over the report that a woman and child died in the bomb attack.

I kind of miss the whining!

Your northern girlfriend caught them up a few posts later.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » June 9, 2006, 1:34 am

kyoukan wrote:would have been nice if you could have killed him without levelling half of the fucking block his house was on. you probably created about 5 more anti US fighters by killing one low rung, media made bad guy.

You should be put in charge. Yep, that's the ticket.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 9, 2006, 2:18 am

So you think blowing up a house and the six surrounding houses full of people, killing an innocent woman and her daughter, wounding dozens and leaving them all homeless on the off chance he was there was a brilliant tactical solution? You think actions like that are going to win the hearts and minds of the locals?

Oh wait, look who the fuck I am asking. A racist retard who disproves Darwin's theory of natural selection.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » June 9, 2006, 3:17 am

Ransure wrote:The Crow... (on a copletely derailed note... I actually started watching the Crow 4 the other day.... kid from T2, Tara Ried, guy from angel, Tank from the Matrix and Tito Ortiz! Talk about an all star cast in a movie that I cant watch for more than 10 minutes... )

That movie did more to obliterate the work Brandon Lee did and the story that O'Barr came up with than anything I'd ever imagine could. High school kids with cybershot cameras could have done a better job. It sucked in so many ways that it was an amazing movie in it's pure display of suckage. I'm entirely surprised that the earth wasn't swallowed by a black hole due to such sucking.

Derailed!

Hoarmurath · Post by **Hoarmurath** » June 9, 2006, 10:21 am

kyoukan wrote:would have been nice if you could have killed him without levelling half of the fucking block his house was on.

kyoukan wrote:So you think blowing up a house and the six surrounding houses full of people...

It was a single house all by itself in a palm grove. There was no "block" nor were there "six surrounding houses."

miir · Post by **miir** » June 9, 2006, 10:43 am

If the US had not invaded and accupied Iraq, this would not have even been news. US actions in Iraq created al-Zarqawi. With him gone, others will fill the vaccuum created.

Instead of bombing the problems, one should look at the reasons these problems exist in the first place.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 9, 2006, 11:18 am

Damnit Miir that's too logical, it would never work. You are talking about actually fixing a problem rather than just "declaring war" on it? I'm not sure that has been done in years... example...

The War on Drugs
The War on Smoking
The War against Obesity
The Cold War
The War on Terror
The War on Values
The War on Heart Disease

That our way now... forget logic, that will never work!

Marb

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » June 9, 2006, 11:24 am

miir wrote:If the US had not invaded and accupied Iraq, this would not have even been news. US actions in Iraq created al-Zarqawi. With him gone, others will fill the vaccuum created.

Instead of bombing the problems, one should look at the reasons these problems exist in the first place.

I think al-Zarqawi would have become a problem at some point even if Iraq hadn't been invaded.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 9, 2006, 11:43 am

Aruman wrote:
miir wrote:If the US had not invaded and accupied Iraq, this would not have even been news. US actions in Iraq created al-Zarqawi. With him gone, others will fill the vaccuum created.

Instead of bombing the problems, one should look at the reasons these problems exist in the first place.
I think al-Zarqawi would have become a problem at some point even if Iraq hadn't been invaded.

Correct, but would he have been granted a world stage or had impact world-wide? He certainly had the potential to join the Al Quaeda (he pledged his allegiance to Bin Laden long after the Iraq war began btw) and cause trouble on some level, but would he have made the front page of cnn.com? Not likely.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 9, 2006, 12:12 pm

From Michael Yon (with added emphasis) http://www.michaelyon-online.com :

"Death Finds Satan’s Second Most Favored Serpent

Coalition forces acting on a tip reportedly from within his own organization leveled the safe house outside of Baquba where Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was hiding yesterday, killing the terrorist.

By his own account, al-Zarqawi is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Iraqis and many Coalition forces and contractors. An acolyte of Osama Bin Laden, al-Zarqawi was, to many, the face of terrorism in Iraq. This was partly the result of Bin Laden’s annointment of him as chief deputy there, but more so because of his sophisticated manipulation of the media and internet. His slick campaign videos, widely distributed and broadcast by media outlets around the world, depicted al-Zarqawi as a hands-on, stealthy military leader; but clearly, he was not a tactical genius. His greatest victories were public relation coups that catapulted him into the role of figurehead for terrorists. Our courageous friends in Jordan, who have also suffered at the hands of al-Zarqawi, are said to have aided in his destruction.

His death will not likely fracture the terror campaign in Iraq because of the disparity of the insurgency itself, comprised of many distinct and disjointed elements, not all of whom were following al-Zarqawi.

Nevertheless, this is an important victory in the GWOT showing that persistent effort can and will produce definitive results. But al-Zarqawi was largely a media-produced terror hero, now that he is gone, let us not produce another."

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I pretty much agree with what he has to say here. Definitely a good strike, and satisfying as hell, but in the overall scheme of things, his death in and of itself won't win the war on terror in Iraq.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 9, 2006, 12:16 pm

the war on terror in Iraq.

What?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 9, 2006, 12:28 pm

I know it's vogue to say this "doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things" but get a grip on yourselves people. You'd bitch whether he was alive or dead. I'm starting to like these "can't win" situations. It lets us go fucking nuts and not really care because critics will bitch no matter what. And don't give me, "well if you never went we'd all be happy"...bullshit. You'd be whining about something else...or that another 911 happened and we did nothing. This is great. No more caring about what happens because there will be steady whining either way.

Thanks!

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » June 9, 2006, 12:35 pm

Winnow wrote:I know it's vogue to say this "doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things" but get a grip on yourselves people. You'd bitch whether he was alive or dead. I'm starting to like these "can't win" situations. It lets us go fucking nuts and not really care because critics will bitch no matter what. And don't give me, "well if you never went we'd all be happy"...bullshit. You'd be whining about something else...or that another 911 happened and we did nothing. This is great. No more caring about what happens because there will be steady whining either way.

Thanks!

Or to paraphrase, the ends justify the means. Which, funnily enough, is exactly Bin Laden's thinking.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 9, 2006, 12:36 pm

The only way to fight terrorism is to change the way people think. Not by bombing them. In fact bombing might be counter productive as it builds hatred.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 9, 2006, 12:44 pm

Winnow wrote:I know it's vogue to say this "doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things" but get a grip on yourselves people. You'd bitch whether he was alive or dead. I'm starting to like these "can't win" situations. It lets us go fucking nuts and not really care because critics will bitch no matter what. And don't give me, "well if you never went we'd all be happy"...bullshit. You'd be whining about something else...or that another 911 happened and we did nothing. This is great. No more caring about what happens because there will be steady whining either way.

Thanks!

It has nothing to do with being vogue.
The fact that it won't make one iota of difference in the short and long term.

Despite what you might think, even us liberal pussies would like to see something positive come out of the shitstorm your government created in Iraq... this is the best news out of Iraq in months which is indicative of how bad it really is.... you basically killed someone you created, but not until he killed (or was responsible for the deaths of) a few thousand people.

And keep trying to tie your invasion and occupation of Iraq to that 9/11 thing.... that never gets old. How about pulling out the classic 'Saddam was killing his own people' line. That is my personal favorite.

By the way, Winnow. I like your current event trolls much more than your xbox vs PS3 and your Zen vs Ipod trolls.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » June 9, 2006, 2:37 pm

Marbus wrote:Damnit Miir that's too logical, it would never work. You are talking about actually fixing a problem rather than just "declaring war" on it? I'm not sure that has been done in years... example...

The War on Drugs
The War on Smoking
The War against Obesity
The Cold War
The War on Terror
The War on Values
The War on Heart Disease

That our way now... forget logic, that will never work!

Marb

Hmm, just out of curiosity, did you actually win any of those "wars" apart from the cold war (if you can call it winning when the end result are a lot of unaccounted for nukes

.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » June 9, 2006, 3:08 pm

i declare war on hesten for being such a dick

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 9, 2006, 4:17 pm

No I don't think we did...

See that is the cool thing about "War" you can keep it going forever if it will get you votes!

Marb

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 9, 2006, 5:17 pm

Damn, Marb. You've actually said something smart. Now come to the realization that it is in ALL politicans best interests t only talk about solving problems, versus actually solving them.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 9, 2006, 5:44 pm

I almost agree

but you are still a little off...

Politicians in general have to solve some problems to get re-elected. Not saying they solve many or most of them but they have to solve a few. Since not all are going to get solved, I would rather see those regarding education, hunger, liberty and social equality get solved. Thus I vote democrat most of the time because they give me the best percentage chance of that happening.

Marb

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 10, 2006, 12:03 am

Marbus wrote:I almost agree but you are still a little off...

Politicians in general have to solve some problems to get re-elected. Not saying they solve many or most of them but they have to solve a few. Since not all are going to get solved, I would rather see those regarding education, hunger, liberty and social equality get solved. Thus I vote democrat most of the time because they give me the best percentage chance of that happening.

Marb

But, they don't though. You'll never get the cure for those problems, only medication. The poeple in power cannot profit from a cure like they can from perpetual medication.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » June 11, 2006, 1:49 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Marbus wrote:I almost agree but you are still a little off...

Politicians in general have to solve some problems to get re-elected. Not saying they solve many or most of them but they have to solve a few. Since not all are going to get solved, I would rather see those regarding education, hunger, liberty and social equality get solved. Thus I vote democrat most of the time because they give me the best percentage chance of that happening.

Marb
But, they don't though. You'll never get the cure for those problems, only medication. The poeple in power cannot profit from a cure like they can from perpetual medication.

Midnyte is exactly right.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 11, 2006, 1:38 pm

Splatter wrote:
Kelshara wrote:bin Laden?
Who the hell is that?

Al Qaeda now knows not to wear New Balance...the delicate intelligence dance continues!!