Why aren't Rove/Cheney sacked/impeached yet?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 10, 2006, 3:02 am

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/09/ ... index.html

(As if any more news needed to add weight to the argument)

Just for the old memory:

I want to know who it is, and if the person has violated the law, the person will be taken care of

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 10, 2006, 6:06 am

by taken care of he means pardoned and set up for life in some cushy executive job at a defense contractor. duh.

Animale · Post by **Animale** » February 10, 2006, 11:40 am

You can't fire your boss.

Animale

Siji · Post by **Siji** » February 10, 2006, 1:53 pm

Animale wrote:You can't fire your boss.

But you can fire at your boss.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 10, 2006, 2:37 pm

Because the Democrats are disorganized grabasstic amphibian shit. The GOP has gotten very, very good at playing the "with us or against us" partisan bullshit, and the democrats are too fragmented to compete.

My friend sums it up very well (he's a registered Dem):
"The Republicans are the party of bad ideas, but the Democrats are the party of no ideas."

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » February 10, 2006, 3:40 pm

Your friend is kind of correct... he is wrong though because the Democrats do have a lot of great ideas, just no one with the frackin' balls to stand up for them. Which, IMHO is actually worse...

Marb

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 10, 2006, 4:30 pm

The party itself is what he's talking about. They have no unified agenda, nothing that can point to and say "THIS IS WHAT WE STAND FOR!" It's just a cacophony of individuals competing for TV/floortime.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » February 10, 2006, 5:09 pm

masteen wrote:My friend sums it up very well (he's a registered Dem):
"The Republicans are the party of bad ideas, but the Democrats are the party of no ideas."

Your friend is also Lewis Black, topical comic.

Can i have an autograph?

Badabidi · Post by **Badabidi** » February 10, 2006, 5:55 pm

masteen wrote:The party itself is what he's talking about. They have no unified agenda, nothing that can point to and say "THIS IS WHAT WE STAND FOR!" It's just a cacophony of individuals competing for TV/floortime.

It's true

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » February 10, 2006, 6:24 pm

No, what I'm saying is that they COULD do that, there are definitely things that the majority of Democrats DO stand for and we should promote those. However most Dems play to the special interest groups and since many of those are the ones with the funding, they waffle on everything... thus seemingly standing or truly standing for nothing. I'm personally getting pissed and thinking of writing a statement of belif for the Nation Party and sending up the line... not that it would do any good but I'm tired of this bullshit.

Marb

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 10, 2006, 6:45 pm

Fuck that. Restart the Whig or Bull Moose party!

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » February 16, 2006, 8:03 pm

Thanks to numerous outlets in the alternative media the Democrat's real ideas are getting plenty of distribution. I think a considerable number of regular every-day Americans are realizing the Democrats have a rabidly religious obsession with abortion and gays. Us Christians have our blood rituals (communion) but the left worships before bloody altars of aborted fetuses.

The issues of abortion and gay legitimization permeate nearly all Democratic politics. As America gets older those issues don't resonate as well.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » February 16, 2006, 8:37 pm

thats a good joke metanis you should open with it

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 16, 2006, 8:44 pm

Metanis wrote:Thanks to numerous outlets in the alternative media the Democrat's real ideas are getting plenty of distribution. I think a considerable number of regular every-day Americans are realizing the Democrats have a rabidly religious obsession with abortion and gays. Us Christians have our blood rituals (communion) but the left worships before bloody altars of aborted fetuses.

The issues of abortion and gay legitimization permeate nearly all Democratic politics. As America gets older those issues don't resonate as well.

Yeah, they call it freedom and liberty.

Those two words are more than just excuses to kill muslims and wipe your ass with the constitution, you know.

But I'm sure in your head it sounded like a really compelling point you were making!

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » February 17, 2006, 8:02 am

Us Christians have our blood rituals (communion) but the left worships before bloody altars of aborted fetuses

World population is out of control. We need more abortions not fewer. Especially when we SO resent having to pay welfare to those poor teenaged single mothers. Of course your christians just want these people to not have sex. That's a stupidly unrealistic hope and your stubborn reluctance to face up to the realities of the situation are laughable. In order to support my argument here I present Exhibit A: The Entirety of Human History.

Liberals at least want to improve things even if they can't necessarily agree on how. Conseratives at best want to keep things as they are (to preserve their own advantages) or at worst want to rewind the world to some creepy 18th century "moralistic utopia". Which never existed. Of course I'm talking about real conservatives here not fundamentalist christian whack jobs like Metanis.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » February 19, 2006, 8:56 am

Metanis wrote:Thanks to numerous outlets in the alternative media the Democrat's real ideas are getting plenty of distribution. I think a considerable number of regular every-day Americans are realizing the Democrats have a rabidly religious obsession with abortion and gays. Us Christians have our blood rituals (communion) but the left worships before bloody altars of aborted fetuses.

The issues of abortion and gay legitimization permeate nearly all Democratic politics. As America gets older those issues don't resonate as well.

The moment God gives up his vow of silence and tells us when life begins so there can be no argument, I'll stick with allowing people to make decisions based on their own beliefs/conscience, rather than feeling I have the right to make arbitrary declarations that control their lives based on my beliefs.

So, despite trotting out such hackneyed rhetoric, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't pretend to understand the will of God, cause you know, that would make you a fucking heretic.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » February 19, 2006, 3:42 pm

Dang Zaelath... very well put

Met, let me give you some statistics you may not be aware of... 40% of all democrats in office are Pro-Life, did you know that? of course not... did you also know that President Bush told one of his Ministrial advisiors back in 2000 that "he didn't know what he was going to do about Gay isssues because in his understanding of his religion, a sin was a sin so he didn't have anything against these people, he didn't think they should be married but surely they diserve a civil union or something"

So while this statement is actually something Bush kind of said during one of the debates, Rove was sending flyers to Churches of 2 guys holding hands with a Bible on fire... saying that if you had one you necessarily HAD to have the other. That is bullshit propaganda in the same league as Nazi Germany, if you don't believe me... look up some of the posters from the era. The truth is that GWB doesn't stand for what HE believes in, he stands for what ever Rove (aka Satan) and the other puppetters tell him to stand for... I firmly believe that GWB is a good man and not a fanitical Christian but he also has to pay his dues to those who got him elected.

The fact is that most Amercians, like 80%+ believe in a women right to choose. This is something the Pro-Lifers need to understand. This is NOT going to change, the US is NOT going to reverse RvW. So with that understanding... that REALITY, what should those of us who believe that abortion is wrong be doing? We should be doing everything we can to make sure that women don't CHOOSE to have one. Do you know what the NUMBER 1 reson is most women have an abortion is? Financial stability... the belief that they will be able to raise the child and provide for it...

This is why Abortions went DOWN every year Clinton, a pro-choice President, was in office. This is also why they have gone UP ever year GWB, a pro-life President has been in office. Look at the facts man, there has been a pro-life President and congress for SIX years now with the numbers to change a lot of things if they wanted to... the truth is they don't. They KNOW abortion will never be illegal but it gives the a political issue to get votes on from people who don't THINK logically about the issue. Something else that is interesting? the CDC that has kept data on abortions EVERY year since 1974 has NO data to publish since GWB took office? Why is that? WHY IS THAT? Because Mr. Pro-Life's ignorant programs DON'T WORK... the Government does not want you to KNOW that they don't work and that Bush is doing the EXACT opposite of what many of his voters asked him to do... Many of these voters choose him against their economic best interest because of this very issue and they are getting lied too... flat out... lied too.

I don't know what areas you fall into Met, but if this issue is important to you, as it is to me, then you need to quit listening to what your minister or local RNC office is telling you and do some reseach. One of the resons I'm a democrat is because I'm against abortion and I want something that WORKs, not lip service.

I also believe strongly in the separation of Church and State. The laws of this nation should refelct the belief of the majorty. The truth is that I usually fall into that category, in this case I do not. However I don't want that to change because it conflicts with one of my belifs. Why? Because that freedom is what makes this country strong... and because of those same freedoms I can make as much of a difference without interfering with that separation...

Marb

dibit_eq · Post by **dibit_eq** » February 19, 2006, 5:38 pm

I just want to know why so many of the neoconservatives are pro-life and also in favor of the death penalty. Wouldn't that also make them pro-death?

Aren't many liberals pro-choice, which involves a hotly debated concept of abortion (you could say...pro-death?), yet also many are against the death penalty... as such, pro-life.

Pro-life and Pro-choice blow.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » February 20, 2006, 12:10 am

The issues of abortion and gay legitimization permeate nearly all Democratic politics. As America gets older those issues don't resonate as well.

It was not the democrats alone who brought these issues to the forefront of modern politics. Legitimizing the rights of American citizens should not ever become trivial. These issues don't simply go away, that's a naive republican's pipe dream. The only way these issues are settled are when the oppressors are forced to stop oppressing, through law, through court, or through war.

Of course I don't expect a nitwit like you to understand or learn from the history of the very nation you call home and claim to love so dearly. Instead, I expect that you will remain oblivious to it, and continue to regurgitate the latest diatribe of Bill O'Reilly and such ilk in your little safe corner of suburbia, ignoring the shitstain you leave on the american flag wrapped around your ass and genitals for protection. Congrats boy-o, if might makes right then you are a sidekick in a land of superheros.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » February 20, 2006, 1:59 am

You folks are funny. Why don't you try and articulate a position which relies on fact and persuasive argumentation rather than personal attacks?

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » February 20, 2006, 2:13 am

Metanis wrote:You folks are funny. Why don't you try and articulate a position which relies on fact and persuasive argumentation rather than personal attacks?

They did that. All your points were debunked, thoroughly and utterly through facts and reasoning.

Okay, okay, so THEN someone called you a "nitwit", and I'm here if you need a hug. But everything else seemed in order.

EDIT: Whoops. i see a "fucking heretic" in there too. Have a lolli. They're just jealous.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » February 20, 2006, 7:20 pm

Abortion is Good
Religion is the Bad one
Stick That in your pipe

Have you ever seen a male dog fucking another male dog? hey shit happens man, i mean it doesn't work for me, but its natural. I support the marraige/union of any two people for purposes of partnering in life. In the future I imagine I will also support the union of more than 2.

Ya know what would really help this unemployment problem we have? Legalized suicide. On the bad side of that, it could hurt the military.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » February 21, 2006, 10:04 pm

Niffoni wrote:All your points were debunked, thoroughly and utterly through facts and reasoning.

Facts and reasoning such as

Rove (aka Satan)

?

You're smokin some good stuff too aren't you?

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » February 21, 2006, 10:07 pm

Fash wrote:Have you ever seen a male dog fucking another male dog?

Yet another example of "reasoning" as presented by the younger generation of liberals?

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » February 21, 2006, 11:12 pm

I guess he should have said "making love". Sorry, I have trouble keeping them under control from here.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » February 22, 2006, 12:20 am

Metanis wrote:
Fash wrote:Have you ever seen a male dog fucking another male dog?
Yet another example of "reasoning" as presented by the younger generation of liberals?

lol i thought i was a neocon?

you must have one of those bumper stickers that says "You can't be Catholic AND Pro-Choice"...

i can still be pro-abortion, pro-gay-marraige, and pro-suicide while voting republican, heck, some of you may even consider that suicide!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · February 22, 2006, 2:05 am

Fash wrote:
Metanis wrote:
Fash wrote:Have you ever seen a male dog fucking another male dog?
Yet another example of "reasoning" as presented by the younger generation of liberals?
lol i thought i was a neocon?

you must have one of those bumper stickers that says "You can't be Catholic AND Pro-Choice"...

i can still be pro-abortion, pro-gay-marraige, and pro-suicide while voting republican, heck, some of you may even consider that suicide!

Most narrow minded VV types hate when you don't fit into a specific mold. They can't stand that people could possibly be a free thinker and have stances accross all party lines.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » February 22, 2006, 2:31 am

If by "free thinker" you mean "feckless tit" and by "stances" you mean "knee-jerk popularist opinions".

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 22, 2006, 3:51 am

Metanis thinks he is a smart older gent lol

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » February 22, 2006, 5:09 am

[hide=Possible cross-forum spoiler..]Am I the only one that was hugely disappointed the abortion debate made it into Battlestar Galactica?[/hide]

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » February 22, 2006, 10:15 pm

Part of the problem of fundamentalism is that people take things too literally and more importantly they believe that only their way is the right way.

The truth is that many liberals are just as guilty of that as conservatives (fisically and morally). One would think that being liberal meant that you would understand or at least TRY to understand someone elses standpoint. Yet all too often many liberals play the "well you are just too stupid to understand" card which pisses people off. I have to admit I have even done this myself, although I do make a mental note to try and avoid it whenever possible.

In regards to those from a conservative standpoint, especially moral, they just can't understand anything outside their own world view. In their understanding their is right and wrong, Truth with a capital T in all situations. This, from a moral standpoint is, by definition, a lower moral understanding. In fact one could argue that it's a lower moral standard by Biblical terms as well. As a person grows through life experience they can choose to expand their horizions and take more personal responsibility for their actions or let someone else make those decisions for them.

We have discussed this before, I'm sure of it but a basic understanding of higher moral law is the realization that it's possible to do the right thing in a situation and still break a societial or governmental law. While many people will agree with this, they don't take it to the next level.

Someone with a strict fundamentalist view, of anything can't understand this. We all want to point out and notice fundamentalist Muslims for being backwards but there are very similar elements in this country. NO, they are not killing civilians (at least not most of the time) but they are destroying what this country has stood for over the past 200 years.

Our highest goal in this Country should be the preservation of human life and the pursuit of truth. Sometimes, that is going to challenge the set beliefs of one group of another. SO... The good thing about this country should be that it's ok not to believe it, or feel that way... as long as you don't try to force other people to believe the same.

I should not need to point out any examples, as they permiate the news, where this administration has lied to the American public, the World and showed total disreagard for human life.

In my book, that's a piss poor excuse for leading the free world.

Marb

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » February 23, 2006, 12:16 am

I believe firmly in the separation of church and state.