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Today is the 25th anniversary of Ronald Reagan's inauguration.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial ... =110007843

REVIEW & OUTLOOK

Still Morning in America
Reaganomics, 25 years later.

Friday, January 20, 2006 12:01 a.m.

Twenty-five years ago today, Ronald Reagan was inaugurated as the 40th President of the United States promising less intrusive government, lower tax rates and victory over communism. On that same day, the American hostages in Iran were freed after 444 days of captivity. If the story of history is one long and arduous march toward freedom, this was a momentous day well worth commemorating.
All the more so because over this 25-year period prosperity has been the rule, not the exception, for America--in stark contrast to the stagflationary 1970s. Perhaps the greatest tribute to the success of Reaganomics is that, over the course of the past 276 months, the U.S. economy has been in recession for only 15. That is to say, 94% of the time the U.S. economy has been creating jobs (43 million in all) and wealth ($30 trillion). More wealth has been created in the U.S. in the last quarter-century than in the previous 200 years. The policy lessons of this supply-side prosperity need to be constantly relearned, lest we return to the errors that produced the 1970s.

The heart and soul of Reagan's economic agenda were sound money (making the dollar "as good as gold," as Reagan used to put it) and lower tax rates. On monetary policy, Reagan has won a resounding victory. Today, nearly all economists agree with Reagan's then-controversial belief that the sole purpose of monetary policy should be to keep prices stable. Double-digit inflation is a distant memory unlikely to recur anytime soon.

On tax policy, Reaganomics has also carried the day, if somewhat less completely. Tax rates in the U.S. are on average half as high now as they were in the 1970s, and almost every nation has followed the Reagan model of lower tax rates. Even Bill Clinton only dared to raise the top marginal income tax rate back to 39.5%, not 50% or 70%.

Nonetheless, tax cuts still stand in disrepute among most of the media, academics and Democrats in Congress, albeit for shifting reasons. When Reagan proposed his 30% across-the-board tax-rate cut, his critics howled that this would cause demand to rise and lead to hyper-inflation. In fact, supply rose faster than demand, and inflation fell to 4% from 13% and has fallen even lower since. When the economy went into a deep recession in 1981-82, Reagan's adversaries (and some of his own advisers) declared his tax cuts a failure. Reagan said stay the course, and the moment the final leg of the tax cut took effect, in January of 1983, the economy roared to life with an expansion that lasted more than seven years.

When the budget deficit rose in the mid-1980s, the liberals warned that if Reagan would not raise taxes interest rates would skyrocket. He didn't and rates didn't. After the 1987 stock market crash, liberal John Kenneth Galbraith wrote that "this debacle marks the last chapter of Reaganomics . . . and the irresponsible tax cuts." Again, Reagan refused to buckle, and two months later the stock market recovered and the expansion roared on--an expansion that didn't end until George H.W. Bush reversed course and raised taxes in 1990.

The Gipper's critics have written an economic history of the 1990s that they portray as a repudiation of Reaganomics. In this telling--known as Rubinomics--the Clinton tax hikes of 1993 ended the budget deficit, which caused interest rates to fall, which produced the boom of the mid- to late-1990s. In fact, the budget deficit hardly fell at all in the immediate aftermath of the tax hike, and while long-term interest rates fell in 1993, they shot back up again in 1994 almost precisely through Election Day (rising by some 230 basis points from October 1993 to November 1994).
On that day, voters repudiated the Clinton tax hikes and the specter of HillaryCare and gave Republicans control of Capitol Hill to govern on the Reaganite agenda of lowering taxes and shrinking runaway government. Both the stock and bond markets turned upward precisely on Election Day in 1994, beginning a whirlwind six-year rally. By 1998, growth and fiscal restraint delivered a budget surplus for the first time in nearly 30 years. In 1997 President Clinton signed a further reduction in the capital gains tax, which propelled investment and the stock market to even greater heights.

The latest chapter of this story is the 2003 income and investment tax cuts enacted by the current President Bush. As in 1981, opponents insisted those tax cuts would harm the economy by increasing the deficit and driving up interest rates. But in the two and a half years since those tax cuts passed, the economy and tax revenues have both surged.

Where Republicans have most strayed from the Reagan vision has been on controlling federal spending. But most still adhere to his tax-cutting lessons, with a few prominent exceptions (notably Senator John McCain). They should all recall the Gipper's words in his inauguration speech 25 years ago: "It is no coincidence that our present troubles parallel and are proportionate to the intervention and intrusion in our lives that result from unnecessary and excessive growth of government."

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They left 1 spot on Mt Rushmoore open for Reagan.
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Yeah, the economy is surging :lol: Companies are still waiting for he other shoe to drop because the long term vs short term interest rate indicators are recessision material.
Oh, and both the one in the ground and the one staying the course managed to rack up spending bills that make Ted Kennedy blush.
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On that same day, the American hostages in Iran were freed after 444 days of captivity. If the story of history is one long and arduous march toward freedom, this was a momentous day well worth commemorating.
Now my modern history may be a bit fuzzy but wasn't Carter responsible for this?
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sarlen wrote:
On that same day, the American hostages in Iran were freed after 444 days of captivity. If the story of history is one long and arduous march toward freedom, this was a momentous day well worth commemorating.
Now my modern history may be a bit fuzzy but wasn't Carter responsible for this?
If I recal correctly (and I probably dont) Carter sent in the strike team, part of which died when one of the helicopters crashed. I also think they refused to let the hostages go until Carter was out of office, but that was a long time ago and I didnt pay much attention to what was going on...
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Regan's accomplishments, both good and bad, were due to the readings of goat's blood and astrology.
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Thanks for the article Metanis.

Your insight is valuable and underappreciated Metanis.

Reagan blew, Metanis.
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Kaldaur wrote: Reagan blew, Metanis.
Why didnt we impeach???
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Trek wrote:
Kaldaur wrote: Reagan blew, Metanis.
Why didnt we impeach???
He used the diminished brain capacity defence.
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Kaldaur wrote:Reagan blew Metanis.
I think it was the other way around.
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LOL compared to the last 3 Presidents, Reagan was the good old days.
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Whats wth all this right winger op ed shit spamming the board this last week? Metanis must be recieving excessive transmition overload from the Rove Neocon Talking Points Transmitter. Either that, or he found jesus and has come to spread the word......
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awesome, metanis is regurgitating more revisionist neocon opinion pieces without actually contributing anything resembling individual thought. I'd be laughing if 51% of the voting population in the US wasn't equally as stupid.
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Come on Kyo, just thank Metanis for his input into this forum.

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Metanis is married to an enchanter. You simply can not blame him for any illogical mental processes he may display.
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Reagan kicked ass. You've got to give Ronald credit for those awesome 80's years if you're giving Clinton credit for the out of control stock tech bubble which was perceived as great times but crashed us into chaos.

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Jice Virago wrote:Whats wth all this right winger op ed shit spamming the board this last week? Metanis must be recieving excessive transmition overload from the Rove Neocon Talking Points Transmitter. Either that, or he found jesus and has come to spread the word......
Rove gave an excellent speech on Friday. You should read it...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commen ... _Rove.html

Here's a just a snippet to pique your interest.

The Democrat Party, on the other hand, has an allergy to tax cuts. Sometimes it seems as if they never found a tax cut they were for or a tax increase they were against. Many Democrats seem to view higher taxes as more than an economic policy; they see it as a sign of virtue. They believe taxes should be raised in times of prosperity and times of economic slowdown; during war and during peace; in even years and odd ones; during days of sunshine and days of rain. They believe every day is a good day, and every occasion a good occasion, to raise taxes.

We Republicans strongly dissent - and we will make our tax cutting record an issue in the 2006 campaign
Contrast that with the Democratic position. Which is easier to sell? Name a Democrat that can articulate their position as well.
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Thanks Metanis. Die now plx.
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Thanks Metanis! Your input and linkage from a site called "Real Clear Politics" has fundamentally shifted my view on politics in general. In a speech similar to the serpent from your Bible, Rove wooed the crowd with his soft speech and articulate ways, and they sucked down a proverbial apple or two. Good for them, and you, to be under the sway of a man who is so evil that no one can even comment on the hypocrisy of his use of religion in politics.

Once again, thank you, from the bottom of my blackened, charred, hate filled heart. I think I'm going to go abort some babies and fuck a gay man, all the while spending my welfare check on some presents for Iraqi insurgents.
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I think I'm going to go abort some babies and fuck a gay man, all the while spending my welfare check on some presents for Iraqi insurgents.
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Kaldaur wrote:no one can even comment on the hypocrisy of his use of religion in politics.
Good luck trying to separate the two!

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Kaldaur wrote:"Real Clear Politics"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/index.html

My sincere and heartfelt thanks to Sirton who first introduced me to this site.
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Politics really is quite clear when you are told exactly how to think on virtually every topic.
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Met are you really stupid enough to believe anything that Karl Rove says?

You are right though, the hostages were released the day Reagan took office. Want to know why?

Because the Republican party agreed to refrain from denouncing the Human Rights violations of the Iranian Government. Reagan's administration supported puppet dictators all over the world in the 80s to "stop communism" while protecting many of these people from UN and other proscution.

Funny how we forget how shocked we all were and how ready were all were to bring this guys to justice in the 90s.

The Republicans are doing the same things today... they turn a blind-eye as long as it can line the pockets of themselves and their friends. We have turned our back on the poor in every country, especially our own, the polferation of racest and sexist agendas are on the rise, we hold people without even charging them with a crime all while blocking the international organization we helped to start in order to protect people from... well now it looks like ourselves.

Latley I have noticed more and more Republicans trying to distance themseves from the joke that is the current administration... they would do well to do so.

They act like Reagan saved us from the 70s, remember that the Republicans were in power for 6 out of those 10 years, the 6 years thing were at their worse. Coming out of a recession is always as hard as going in, especially if you aren't willing to comprimise the vaules this country was built on to do so...

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Marbus wrote:Met are you really stupid enough to believe anything that Karl Rove says?
Perhaps not everything. He IS after all a political strategist. In the column I linked above I'm sure I can believe the greater majority of it. When you expound on your worldview you obviously will use facts and figures which support your case.

I think the loyal opposition sometimes get caught up in the old chicken and egg debate. You think us conservative Republicans are getting hoodwinked by people like Rove. I hate to break it to you son but people like Rove are IN POWER precisely because they articulate the positions and beliefs which we conservatives demand.

I not only drink the Kool-Aide... I help make it.

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Metanis wrote:they articulate the positions and beliefs which we conservatives demand.
And yet it doesn't particularly bother you that of the platform the pretend to have they implement fuck all of it.

You're like a bitch in denial that her husband means what he says, not what he does.

Abortion: Still plentiful.

Spending/Small government: Ahahahahahahahahaha *choke* ahahahahahah

(which is supposed to fund:)

Tax Cuts: I think they threw some crumbs to the general population, if you're actually stinking rich and didn't need the tax cuts, you got huge breaks! Go you.

Terrorism: Done nothing but increase in frequency.

Keeping the Mexicans out: Bush has repeatedly attempted to legalise illegals, as long as they go home. He really doesn't want to deprive his 'base' of cheap labour.

Ok, perhaps you don't make rascism a fundamental platform in your published GOP literature, but it's pretty clear by examination.

You're so caught up with "winning" by getting your party's candidate in office, you don't realise you're still losing. It's hillarious.
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Rove is a sleazeball who should have lost his clearance and been fired. No questions or rationalizing about it. That's assuming the presidential staff should follow the same rules as everyone else. Hmmm, might be something wrong here...

Regardless of anything else about Regan, download one of his speeches and watch it. He was pretty amazing IMO.
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Zaelath wrote:And yet it doesn't particularly bother you that of the platform the pretend to have they implement fuck all of it.
Can someone tell me what the fuck this says?
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I read that one a few times over, too.
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Add a "y" in at the end of the second "the" and maybe (if you're being picky) an "actually" before "implement" anyone can understand, in context of the rest of the post, what he is referring to.

It's not fucking rocket science.
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Met you are right, and I apologize for suggesting that you are stupid just because you listened to Rove. You are right in your statement that they are saying what you guys want to hear... if you would do your research you would find it isn't true and that's my point.

A major issue for myself and many of my friends is abortion. I know people that voted for Bush, against their better judgement because he was "anti-abortion." However abortions have risen ever year he has been in power. Why? Because research has shown, consistently (worldwide I might add) that wheither or not a women chooses to get an abortion depends more on their "feeling" of security and the ability to raise the child than even the legality of abortion. Women who are informed and see the ability to raise the child, economically - not dependant necessarly on socioeconomic status, or have an easy option to give the child up for adoption are much more likley to carry to term. It's interesting that the abortion rate is higher in Saudia Aribia (where it's illegal) than in many European countries (where it is legal)... we could do much more to stop abortion in this country if we would focus on helping women rather than telling them they have no rights...

Speaking of women's rights, lets look at the other people Rove, Bush etc... are supported by, right-wing Christian fundamentalists who believe that only their way is correct. Remember in 2002 the Souther Baptist Convention went back to missionaries who had been in the field for over 40 years and made the women sign waviers saying they would be subject to their husbands and they also banned women as ministers... EVEN THOUGH many of the early Christian leaders were...da ta! Women. Jesus also spoke primarly about peace and forgiveness but these people usually speak of war mongering and hate... those 2 just don't follow, yet many of these Zealots tell those following Jesus' message that they are somehow inferior or down right wong because they aren't on the hate bandwagon...

Speaking of hate lets talk about the Genevia convention... which WE helped to found and continually promoted because Human rights... ALL human rights are important. Our Constution doesn't say American's are created equil, it says ALL MEN are created equil. However the Bush propagenda machine has done a great job of helping the average American subjagate those different than themselves. It started with the "Axis of Evil" label, continue with that long enough and people begin to believe those we are fighting aren't human but some how... subhuman, they don't diserve what we diserve (someone else did something similar for 8 to 10 years before attacking another group of people about 70 years ago). Note many Fundamentalist Christians have fallen right into this trap, even though they attend service each week singing praises and hearing lessions of how Jesus loved all, and we are all equil in God's eyes... who is fighting this postion? Those congressment, both Republican and Democrats who actually served this country and/or were in POW camps.

Part of the reason though that these lying, cheating, hateful, war mongering people are in power is because of the Democrats. We as a party haven't gotten the message out. We as a party haven't told people that WE are the true party of faith, who cares for the poor, the sick and the needy. That we are the party who represent true American values... the Democrats haven't had the balls to stand up and say no. To say I believe in x because, and here is why you should too. Should the Dems distance themselves from the far left? I don't think so but they should have their place in the party rather than the visible forefront... just like many Repbulicans are starting to feel that the ultra right should have a part but not control the part like they are now. But hay, for those in power, why give up a good thing (at least for them), even though in America we are giving up years of trust and negoations with our neighbors, even if more people are under the poverty line than ever before, even if teen pregnancy and abortions are on the rise...

Right now we are truly in a sad state of affairs, I pray daily that we haven't gone too far. In regards to Reagan, I do not agree with everything he did with his foregin policy, nor his domestic but I do feel that he was a good President and a good man who did have this countries best interests at heart, we just don't agree exactly on how to accomplish that... that doesn't mean though that I'm not proud of my first Vote.

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Boogahz wrote:
Zaelath wrote:And yet it doesn't particularly bother you that of the platform the pretend to have they implement fuck all of it.
Can someone tell me what the fuck this says?
And yet it doesn't particularly bother you that, of the platform they pretend to have, they implement fuck all of it.

Better?
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Zaelath wrote:
Boogahz wrote:
Zaelath wrote:And yet it doesn't particularly bother you that of the platform the pretend to have they implement fuck all of it.
Can someone tell me what the fuck this says?
And yet it doesn't particularly bother you that, of the platform they pretend to have, they implement fuck all of it.

Better?
Kinda get it now... I think the lack of punctuation, understanding "the" to be "they", and the "slang" usage of "fuck all" made my eyes unfocus and my ears ring.
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Marbus wrote:Part of the reason though that these lying, cheating, hateful, war mongering people are in power is because of the Democrats. We as a party haven't gotten the message out.
Regardless of how your average democratic politician might believe, act or speak, the party is funded and (seemingly) run by far left loonies at the national level. At a local level they do just fine, on the national stage they blow it entirely.
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Aabidano yes and no. They aren't governed by that and the majority of Democrats aren't that way. However the perception is definitely there because all of the high profile Democrats we put on TV etc... are all that way. The old time grass roots guys don't get seen or heard from and thus seemingly don't exist...
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Abortions are on the rise because ABSTINENCE BASED "SEX EDUCATION" DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.

I put the quotes around sex ed because I think it's misleading to call the Mr. Mackey approach (sex is bad, mmm'kay?) to anything education. Showing kids a penis with herpes sores all over it and a dialated vagina with a baby's head crowning would do a shitload more to deter kids from fucking than that.
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Yes Masteen, it's been shown not to work and it's also been show that those who get it are at a much greater risk for preg and STDs.

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Marbus wrote:Part of the reason though that these lying, cheating, hateful, war mongering people are in power is because of the Democrats. We as a party haven't gotten the message out. We as a party haven't told people that WE are the true party of faith, who cares for the poor, the sick and the needy. That we are the party who represent true American values... the Democrats haven't had the balls to stand up and say no.

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You've nailed at least one major component of the difference in our outlooks. The Democrats no longer care about the little guy. They care about their secular, God-hating, socialistic agenda and could give a rat's ass about the poor and downtrodden. That wasn't always true and actually has changed dramatically in my lifetime. How can a true Christian support a political party that has contempt for the whole concept of religion? As a Republican it's OK to be religious. However, if you are a Democrat you are supposed to keep it hidden like a dirty little secret.

You actually need to rethink the part about the Democrats getting their message out. The message has in fact gotten out. That's why the Democrats are fading into history. Their message is being rejected by much of middle America.
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Metanis wrote:How can a true Christian support a political party that has contempt for the whole concept of religion? As a Republican it's OK to be religious.
OK? I thought it was a requirement to be delusional. Isn't paint huffing a gateway drug to Jesus?

I think you really need to stop painting all of middle-America as "true christians" because a) it's laughable, since "true christians" turn the other cheek, they don't bomb random countries into submission, b) there's fewer and fewer of the other type of "true christians" out there; right-wing fundies, ya'll just have big mouths and no rational filter between it and your brain, so from the volume it sounds like there's a lot of you.
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Metanis wrote:The Democrats no longer care about the little guy.
The republicans never did!
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I make up my own mind on issues, that said I dont consider myself Repulican or Democrat, I end up on either side from issue to issue. I was more in the Repulican spectrum but as late, listening to 'the great success' of bombing Pakistan and the weak arguements surrounding it, I am rapidly swinging the otherway.
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Marbus wrote:
A major issue for myself and many of my friends is abortion. I know people that voted for Bush, against their better judgement because he was "anti-abortion." However abortions have risen ever year he has been in power. Why? Because research has shown, consistently (worldwide I might add) that wheither or not a women chooses to get an abortion depends more on their "feeling" of security and the ability to raise the child than even the legality of abortion. Women who are informed and see the ability to raise the child, economically - not dependant necessarly on socioeconomic status, or have an easy option to give the child up for adoption are much more likley to carry to term. It's interesting that the abortion rate is higher in Saudia Aribia (where it's illegal) than in many European countries (where it is legal)... we could do much more to stop abortion in this country if we would focus on helping women rather than telling them they have no rights...
Why don't you look something up before you start spouting shit?
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Does that include abortions given to minors?
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Do people actually think Republicans care about the little guy?
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Nick wrote:Do people actually think Republicans care about the little guy?
a lot of people do. a lot of lower income white, evangelical Christians misinterpret lip service paid to social issues like "preserving the sanctity of marriage" (DoMA was signed in 1998 by Pres. Clinton), as the GOP looking out for their interests.

Those people have made the decision that they do not need to vote in their economic interest as long as their emotional need to be validated by their leadership is satisfied.

Again, how many bills before Congress to ban abortion have come up in the last 14 years that the GOP has been in power? The last 6 of which with a supposedly "pro-Life" president who would supposedly sign it?

Now with a supposedly "pro-Life" High Court that would supposedly ratify it?

zero. zero. and zero.

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No Met you are 100% wrong, the Democrats are the guys that care about the little guy... esepcailly economically.

What has happend though and what the Dems have to learn is that those people feel abandond and will vote against what is best economically for their family (hence the trailer with the Bush sign out front) if it goes against what they percieve is against their values.

The FACT is that MOST Democrats have the exact same values, and if you look at their record of corruption, actually live those values better than the Repuclicans (look at what is going on with Delay etc... right now).

There were numerous examples last election where good upstanding, Christian Democrats were beaten by Godless athiest republicans in elections because the Democrats didn't get it out that they were a Decon at First Baptist Chuch, while the Republican ran smear adds about him but never mentioned himself... people voted for him because they assumed he was a certian way due to the propaganda juggernaut that was spewed by the RNC.

As I said, this is the word the Democrats have to get out, they also need to show America that while there are some freako liberals in the party, most of the party isn't this way... they have just let too many of these freaks do the talking and aren't going to do it anymore. If they are against abortion but believe it's not a secular issue then they MUST explain why. I think I did a good job of my own views in the previous post...

In the last 5 years the rich have gotten richer, the poor poorer and the whole nation less stable, not because of the Internet boom ending, but because we have choosen to go into debt to one of the largest nuclear powers in the world so that we could give tax breaks to the rich. YES, that's not a lie, according to the current tax code for every $1 you save on your taxes (if you make below $100K annually) someone who makes over $1,000,000 annually save $12 dollars... hmmm, me personally I think that should be the other way around... well not really but kind of, it should be more like $2 for every under $100K and those above $1,000,000 should be paying more since they can. If so we wouldn't have any problems funding Social Security, Education for young mothers to help them choose something other than abortion, support for those young mother so they would feel safe having the child and that the child would have the basic necesseties of life... That is the Christian message, that is what we are to do on this Earth, not protest for something that won't work while ignoring the commen sense God gave us.

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Marbus wrote:No Met you are 100% wrong, the Democrats are the guys that care about the little guy... esepcailly economically.
Neither side is willing do do anything that addresses the root of the problem, the RNC ignores the issue, the DNC wants to give them handouts. Neither approach works.
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statement of fact: democrats are smarter than republicans

supporting evidence: metanis

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