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http://www.time.com/time/columnist/prin ... 37,00.html

Sunday, Jan. 08, 2006
How to Stay Out of Power
Why liberal democrats are playing too fast and too loose with issues of war and peace
By JOE KLEIN
House minority leader Nancy Pelosi, the California Democrat, engaged in a small but cheesy bit of deception last week. She released a letter, which quickly found its way to the front page of the New York Times, that she had written on Oct. 11, 2001, to then National Security Agency director General Michael V. Hayden. In it she expressed concern that Hayden, who had briefed the House Intelligence Committee about the steps he was taking to track down al-Qaeda terrorists after the 9/11 attacks, was not acting with "specific presidential authorization." Hayden wrote her back that he was acting under the powers granted to his agency in a 1981 Executive Order. In fact, a 2002 investigation by the Joint Intelligence Committees concluded that the NSA was not doing as much as it could have been doing under the law—and that the entire U.S. intelligence community operated in a hypercautious defensive crouch. "Hayden was taking reasonable steps," a former committee member told me. "Our biggest concern was what more he could be doing."

The Bush Administration had similar concerns. In the days after 9/11, it asked Hayden to push the edge of existing technology and come up with the best possible program to track the terrorists. The result was the now infamous NSA data-mining operation, which began months later, in early 2002. Vast amounts of phone and computer communications by al-Qaeda suspects overseas, including some messages to people in the U.S., could now be scooped up and quickly analyzed.

The release of Pelosi's letter last week and the subsequent Times story ("Agency First Acted on Its Own to Broaden Spying, Files Show") left the misleading impression that a) Hayden had launched the controversial data-mining operation on his own, and b) Pelosi had protested it. But clearly the program didn't exist when Pelosi wrote the letter. When I asked the Congresswoman about this, she said, "Some in the government have accused me of confusing apples and oranges. My response is, it's all fruit."

A dodgy response at best, but one invested with a larger truth. For too many liberals, all secret intelligence activities are "fruit," and bitter fruit at that. The government is presumed guilty of illegal electronic eavesdropping until proven innocent. This sort of civil-liberties fetishism is a hangover from the Vietnam era, when the Nixon Administration wildly exceeded all bounds of legality—spying on antiwar protesters and civil rights leaders.

Henry Kissinger even wiretapped his own aides. But the "all fruit" assumption doesn't take into account the strict constraints placed on the intelligence community after the Nixon debacle, or the lethally elusive nature of the current terrorist threat. The liberal reaction is also an understandable consequence of the Bush Administration's tendency to play fast and loose on issues of war and peace—rushing to war after overhyping the intelligence on Saddam Hussein's nuclear-weapons program, appearing to tolerate torture, keeping secret prisons in foreign countries and denying prisoners basic rights. At the very least, the Administration should have acted, with alacrity, to update the federal intelligence laws to include the powerful new technologies developed by the NSA.

But these concerns pale before the importance of the program. It would have been a scandal if the NSA had not been using these tools to track down the bad guys. There is evidence that the information harvested helped foil several plots and disrupt al-Qaeda operations.

There is also evidence, according to U.S. intelligence officials, that since the New York Times broke the story, the terrorists have modified their behavior, hampering our efforts to keep track of them—but also, on the plus side, hampering their ability to communicate with one another.

Pelosi made clear to me that she considered Hayden, now Deputy Director of National Intelligence, an honorable man who would not overstep his bounds. "I trust him," she said. "I haven't accused him of anything. I was, and remain, concerned that he has the proper authority to do what he is doing." A legitimate concern, but the Democrats are on thin ice here. Some of the wilder donkeys talked about a possible Bush impeachment after the NSA program was revealed.

The latest version of the absolutely necessary Patriot Act, which updates the laws regulating the war on terrorism and contains civil-liberties improvements over the first edition, was nearly killed by a stampede of Senate Democrats. Most polls indicate that a strong majority of Americans favor the act, and I suspect that a strong majority would favor the NSA program as well, if its details were declassified and made known.

In fact, liberal Democrats are about as far from the American mainstream on these issues as Republicans were when they invaded the privacy of Terri Schiavo's family in the right-to-die case last year.

But there is a difference. National security is a far more important issue, and until the Democrats make clear that they will err on the side of aggressiveness in the war against al-Qaeda, they will probably not regain the majority in Congress or the country.




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Democrats have been drinking the Kool-aid of mulitculturalism for so long they don't understand the need for this war. They think it's something Bush invented.
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Thanks for the highlight Metanis.

Thanks for the commentary Metanis.
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Although Bush received a majority of the popular vote: 50.73% to Kerry's 48.27%, it was—percentage-wise—the closest popular margin ever for a sitting President; Bush received 2.5% more than Kerry; the closest previous margin won by a sitting President was 3.2% for Woodrow Wilson in 1916. In terms of absolute number of popular votes, his victory margin (approximately 3 million votes) was the smallest of any sitting President since Harry S. Truman in 1948.
Funny doesn't look that far off the mainstream to me...
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Arborealus wrote:
Although Bush received a majority of the popular vote: 50.73% to Kerry's 48.27%, it was—percentage-wise—the closest popular margin ever for a sitting President; Bush received 2.5% more than Kerry; the closest previous margin won by a sitting President was 3.2% for Woodrow Wilson in 1916. In terms of absolute number of popular votes, his victory margin (approximately 3 million votes) was the smallest of any sitting President since Harry S. Truman in 1948.
Funny doesn't look that far off the mainstream to me...
Considering the abject hatred much of the left feels for Bush your figures only serve to illuminate the point. No president since Nixon has been despised as Bush and the left could only get within 2.5%. And they couldn't hold the senate or regain the house.
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Metanis wrote:
Arborealus wrote:
Although Bush received a majority of the popular vote: 50.73% to Kerry's 48.27%, it was—percentage-wise—the closest popular margin ever for a sitting President; Bush received 2.5% more than Kerry; the closest previous margin won by a sitting President was 3.2% for Woodrow Wilson in 1916. In terms of absolute number of popular votes, his victory margin (approximately 3 million votes) was the smallest of any sitting President since Harry S. Truman in 1948.
Funny doesn't look that far off the mainstream to me...
Considering the abject hatred much of the left feels for Bush your figures only serve to illuminate the point. No president since Nixon has been despised as Bush and the left could only get within 2.5%. And they couldn't hold the senate or regain the house.
Yup fortunately what we couldn't convince the moderates of in the last election Bush has suceeded admirably in convincing them of since...
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I'm gonna vote for Bush again myself! Jed Bush for pres!
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Noysyrump wrote:I'm gonna vote for Bush again myself! Jed Bush for pres!
And if it's a write-in, you wouldn't even get his name right.
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Boogahz wrote:
Noysyrump wrote:I'm gonna vote for Bush again myself! Jed Bush for pres!
And if it's a write-in, you wouldn't even get his name right.
Do write-in candidates need to want to run? If not, perhaps we could start a write-in campaign for Jon Stewart! If Mike Moore can get people to vote for a ficus tree....
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Zaelath wrote:
Boogahz wrote:
Noysyrump wrote:I'm gonna vote for Bush again myself! Jed Bush for pres!
And if it's a write-in, you wouldn't even get his name right.
Do write-in candidates need to want to run? If not, perhaps we could start a write-in campaign for Jon Stewart! If Mike Moore can get people to vote for a ficus tree....
Im still convinced that a ficus tree would do less damage than Bush are doing :)
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Hesten wrote: Im still convinced that a ficus tree would do less damage than Bush are doing :)
It would do exactly what you and the left want to do... Nothing!

Every country in the world is scared shitless of the US with this republican party at the helm, even some foolish innocent Americans lol...

It's in the interest of EVERY enemy of the US for a democrat to be in the office... and it's not fucking happening in 2008 bitches.
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Scared shitless/openly mocking

I guess it's a potato/potaato thing

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potato/potatoe would have been a better swipe at the GOP ;-)
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Fash wrote:
Hesten wrote: Im still convinced that a ficus tree would do less damage than Bush are doing :)
It would do exactly what you and the left want to do... Nothing!

Every country in the world is scared shitless of the US with this republican party at the helm, even some foolish innocent Americans lol...

It's in the interest of EVERY enemy of the US for a democrat to be in the office... and it's not fucking happening in 2008 bitches.
The only countries that are someone concerned about the US are the ones with some sort of oppressive regime in place. Your traditional allies are purely annoyed to all fuck with Bush pissing all over other issues like free trade, the environment and completely ham-fisted methods of doing things.
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Fash wrote:the US is scared shitless of Every country in the world
Fixed :D
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Zaelath wrote:Do write-in candidates need to want to run?
You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart throws a sword at you!
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Every country in the world is scared shitless of the US with this republican party at the helm, even some foolish innocent Americans lol...
Nah, we are just quietly watching and laughing as the GOP runs your country into the ground.

Keep on pumping trillions of dollars and thousands of lives into the 'War On Terror'. Some of you retards are even willing to relinquish your constitutional freedoms. Bush is much better at scare tactics than Bin Laden could ever dream to be.

Who'd have thought flying a few planes into the WTC could have fucked up your country so badly?
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OOPS! Jeb Bush. heh.
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miir wrote:


Who'd have thought flying a few planes into the WTC could have fucked up the world so badly?
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acutally the bush administration planted bombs in the wtc and flew the airplanes into the wtc on purpose and then they shot a missle into the pentagon and this war is just a big cover up to get bush really rich at the same time off oil
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Stragi wrote:acutally the bush administration planted bombs in the wtc and flew the airplanes into the wtc on purpose and then they shot a missle into the pentagon and this war is just a big cover up to get bush really rich at the same time off oil
It worked didnt it? Its a brilliant plan.
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Stragi wrote:acutally the bush administration planted bombs in the wtc and flew the airplanes into the wtc on purpose and then they shot a missle into the pentagon and this war is just a big cover up to get bush really rich at the same time off oil
This is a good example of the thinking which is being attributed to the "lunatic left" and is being used to "prove" the Democratic party is too far out of the mainstream.

I know you meant your comment in jest but there must be a few million people who are taking it seriously. It's sorta like carrying a big sign around saying "I'm a moron, please kick me!".

Keep up the good work though, with GW we conservatives need all the help we can get.
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This is a good example of the thinking which is being attributed to the "lunatic left" and is being used to "prove" the Democratic party is too far out of the mainstream
I know you meant your comment in jest but there must be a few million people who are taking it seriously
A few thousand maybe.

This is a great example of the slack thinking of the right. Crackpot conspiracy theories created by lunatics, just plain lunatics of no particular political creed, assigned to "the left" because anything that doesn't slurp Bush cock is obviously leftist. To then paint sensible mainstream left-leaners with the same brush simply because they also disagree with the rightists is, well, fucking stupid. And anyone who falls for it is also fucking stupid.

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Metanis wrote:
Stragi wrote:acutally the bush administration planted bombs in the wtc and flew the airplanes into the wtc on purpose and then they shot a missle into the pentagon and this war is just a big cover up to get bush really rich at the same time off oil
This is a good example of the thinking which is being attributed to the "lunatic left" and is being used to "prove" the Democratic party is too far out of the mainstream.

I know you meant your comment in jest but there must be a few million people who are taking it seriously. It's sorta like carrying a big sign around saying "I'm a moron, please kick me!".

Keep up the good work though, with GW we conservatives need all the help we can get.
Thanks, Metanis.
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Yeah, thanks Metanis. I appreciate your insight Metanis.

Keep up the good work, Metanis.

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