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Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 15, 2006, 11:14 am

We really need to stop doing this.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » January 15, 2006, 12:46 pm

funny thing... anyone remember the uproar when clinton bombed the baby food factory going after Bin Laden... where's the uproar now?

Trek · Post by **Trek** » January 15, 2006, 1:06 pm

Pherr the Dorf wrote:funny thing... anyone remember the uproar when clinton bombed the baby food factory going after Bin Laden... where's the uproar now?

WTF does that mean? If we fucked up its a very sad and pathetic situation that has absolutely nothing to do with anything that happened in the Clinton years. You really cant be that fucking clueless can you? This isnt a matter of "your liberal sucks or got sucked and my conservative is neato". If this ends up being correct I will be angry, we are already in a ton of shit due to poor/wrong intel, we really need to get this kind of shit 100% right or not even try, in fact since we have fucked it up so many times we really need to put a stop to it.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » January 15, 2006, 1:16 pm

Trek wrote:
Pherr the Dorf wrote:funny thing... anyone remember the uproar when clinton bombed the baby food factory going after Bin Laden... where's the uproar now?
WTF does that mean? If we fucked up its a very sad and pathetic situation that has absolutely nothing to do with anything that happened in the Clinton years. You really cant be that fucking clueless can you? This isnt a matter of "your liberal sucks or got sucked and my conservative is neato". If this ends up being correct I will be angry, we are already in a ton of shit due to poor/wrong intel, we really need to get this kind of shit 100% right or not even try, in fact since we have fucked it up so many times we really need to put a stop to it.

Actually our lack of any decent intelligence in the region has everything to do with History. Thank Reagan and Thatcher for tting ties way back in 86 if you want to know the reason we don't know jack shit about what is going on over there

But to not see the similarities between this and the bombings from the clinton years is impossible

Trek · Post by **Trek** » January 15, 2006, 2:00 pm

I agree that our history is why our intel sucks balls in the region, but that is all the more reason to stop blowing shit up just because someones uncle's brothers friend said a bad guy was there. Having similarities with other bombings does not make this an 'ok' mistake. This is a different time and much more has happened and is happening in the region for us to continue to do things like this. Do you really think we can afford to give the Pakistan government (ha) or anyone else in that region more reason to hate us? We are there, and due to our history we must get that kind of shit 100% right. There is really no excuse not to.

Noysyrump · Post by **Noysyrump** » January 15, 2006, 7:04 pm

Perhaps a couple more well missed bombs can incite that little rogue country to step up and finally get washed away by India and China as it would make the region a happier place.

Just my two warmongering cents.

Tuddi2 · Post by **Tuddi2** » January 16, 2006, 9:21 am

airstrike.... suicide bomber.

heck sometimes i find it hard to see the difference.

airstrike
-in this case, those doing the airstrike had some info on where a leaderish type of the enemy was, and bombed said location, killed 18 innocents.
-the info was bad (who would've thought)
-when fighting the enemy they feel the need to do something, so they acted on this info, clearly not 100 % sure if it was correct.

suicide bomber
-in the usual case they bomb with only info on where they can do it without beeing stopped before by enemy security forces
-when fighting the enemy they feel the need to do something, so they act in order to express their view of the enemy, namely "we are willing to give our lives to hurt you, go away or we'll do it again"
-if they enough money to get info on where enemy leaders were, they'd try and kill them.

i dont see much difference from a moral point of view.
both sides are willing to kill innocents in order send their message, be it "go away" or "give up"
one side is under orders from someone else, and aren't willing to forfeit their lives, all though they are willing to give their lives for some illusionary cause such as "defending their country" that happens to be 20kish KM away.

one side needs to figure out how they can get the other to stop their activity, and act on that.
this "if you don't stop acting on your beliefs, we'll continue to hunt you down with all the money in the world, until we get you all"
which we all know isn't going to happen, ever, think "when i kill one, three more spawn"

the saying "if brute force isn't working, you're not using enough" just doesn't apply here. never has never will, no matter how determined the person in charge is and how he's able to rally his nation behind him for moments at a time, usually because of fear.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » January 16, 2006, 10:51 am

Tuddi2 wrote:airstrike

-when fighting the enemy they feel the need to do something, so they acted on this info, clearly not 100 % sure if it was correct.

If it was in the country we are warring with, I can understand the 'mistake' a bit.

Just because I believe O.J. is guilty doesnt mean I think we should bomb Toronto because he played golf there once....

hmmm... but on second thought

miir · Post by **miir** » January 16, 2006, 12:57 pm

Trek wrote:
Tuddi2 wrote:airstrike

-when fighting the enemy they feel the need to do something, so they acted on this info, clearly not 100 % sure if it was correct.

If it was in the country we are warring with, I can understand the 'mistake' a bit.

Just because I believe O.J. is guilty doesnt mean I think we should bomb Toronto because he played golf there once....

hmmm... but on second thought

Maybe we could assassinate Bruno Magli instead.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » January 16, 2006, 3:16 pm

Trek wrote:Just because I believe O.J. is guilty doesnt mean I think we should bomb Toronto because he played golf there once....

hmmm... but on second thought

It's Canada. They won't mind.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » January 16, 2006, 3:34 pm

Noysyrump wrote:Perhaps a couple more well missed bombs can incite that little rogue country to step up and finally get washed away by India and China as it would make the region a happier place.

Just my two warmongering cents.

Because Pakistan has Nukes and so does India. You can't expect that to be isolated to just that area. Soon folks will be lobbing nukes all over. That is not something I'd care to see right now. I mean shit, I have a few more characters to level to 60 in WoW.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » January 16, 2006, 3:46 pm

miir wrote:Maybe we could assassinate Bruno Magli instead.

those are some killer shoes!

miir · Post by **miir** » January 16, 2006, 3:50 pm

Zamtuk wrote:
miir wrote:Maybe we could assassinate Bruno Magli instead.
those are some killer shoes!

zing!

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 16, 2006, 8:11 pm

No no, the US doesn't do assassination.

You had to commit to a war, which is projected to cost 1-2 Trillion dollars, so that you could justify bombing civilians in friendly countries, I mean assassinating ... no wait... I'll get it... "Make surgical strikes against enemy strongholds within the borders of your allies". Shit, there's just no way to make that sound good.

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » January 16, 2006, 9:04 pm

Irony!

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wrote:Iran has the right to nuclear energy, and "a nation that has civilization does not need nuclear weapons." He added, "Our nation does not need them."

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » January 19, 2006, 11:21 am

Our intel sucks, weve missed and killing civilians? Automatic hate America machine here. I bet many of you will still look negative at the bombing even after finding out weve killed 3-4 top AL'Q leaders. And we just missed number 2 or Dr. evil.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4626684.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 19, 2006, 11:27 am

Sirton wrote:Our intel sucks, weve missed and killing civilians? Automatic hate America machine here. I bet many of you will still look negative at the bombing even after finding out weve killed 3-4 top AL'Q leaders. And we just missed number 2 or Dr. evil.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4626684.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

Selective reading. They only hear what they want. The bombing was a success. The same story of other sites wrote about the success and the terrorists killed versus the way good ole CNN has typed this story up. Of course, the lil young impressionable sponges ate it up as they intended. Well done lemmings.

Here is a completely different way of starting the same story.

Al-Qaida Weapons Expert Among Those Killed
Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:20 AM EST
The Associated Press
By MUNIR AHMAD

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — An al-Qaida explosives and chemical weapons expert and a relative of the terror network's No. 2 leader were among four top operatives believed killed in a U.S. missile strike in Pakistan last week, Pakistani security officials said Thursday.

Hoarmurath · Post by **Hoarmurath** » January 19, 2006, 1:03 pm

It all depends on how you define "success". If there were 4 guys holding 14 bank customers hostage, six of which were children, and they just launched a missile into he bank, killing everyone, is that success? According to you, yes. According to some people, no. Just because people hold different opinions about the world that you do doesn't make them lemmings.

Oh, wait, those people *invited* the terrorists over, so it's okay to kill them, too. And the kids, well, they were just going to become terrorists in the future anyway, so best to kill them now, right?

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » January 19, 2006, 1:06 pm

Sirton wrote:Our intel sucks, weve missed and killing civilians? Automatic hate America machine here. I bet many of you will still look negative at the bombing even after finding out weve killed 3-4 top AL'Q leaders. And we just missed number 2 or Dr. evil.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4626684.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

yeah sirton, because that's worth 18 innocent lives.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 19, 2006, 1:10 pm

Reading a Midnyte post after not seeing any for awhile makes me realize just how dumb reading his posts makes me.

Thank George Bush (aka God) that it's only temporary.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » January 19, 2006, 2:09 pm

Aslanna wrote:Reading a Midnyte post after not seeing any for awhile makes me realize just how dumb reading his posts makes me.

Ignore works wonders for this ailment.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 19, 2006, 2:34 pm

Siji wrote:
Aslanna wrote:Reading a Midnyte post after not seeing any for awhile makes me realize just how dumb reading his posts makes me.
Ignore works wonders for this ailment.

Yep. Ignoring other peoples perspectives will definitely help you maintain your already formed one.

Sendarie · Post by **Sendarie** » January 19, 2006, 3:18 pm

Trek there is no such thing nor will there ever be a 100% sure thing for stuff like this.

The bad guys are not going to run out into a nice large field all by themselves and "hit us on our cell" to fill us in as to their whereabouts.

No innocent lives lost are acceptable correct? Living by that policy how long do you think it would take Mr. Suicide bomber to strap a 2 yr old little Johny to his chest to make him invicible to the US?

Or better yet all of Al'Q could just hang out in open forums say in a schoolhouse to protect themselves.
...oh wait, they're already using that tactic from time to time. NVM.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 19, 2006, 5:06 pm

They can't all be winners!

If we discovered an alien race on a distant planet that was starving, is it our responsibility to go feed them or should we use them as food to feed starving Africans?

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » January 19, 2006, 7:16 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Here is a completely different way of starting the same story.

Al-Qaida Weapons Expert Among Those Killed
Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:20 AM EST
The Associated Press
By MUNIR AHMAD

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — An al-Qaida explosives and chemical weapons expert and a relative of the terror network's No. 2 leader were among four top operatives believed killed in a U.S. missile strike in Pakistan last week, Pakistani security officials said Thursday.

Hmm, does that mean that if a criminal died in the WTC, that was also ok?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 19, 2006, 8:24 pm

Hesten wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Here is a completely different way of starting the same story.

Al-Qaida Weapons Expert Among Those Killed
Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:20 AM EST
The Associated Press
By MUNIR AHMAD

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — An al-Qaida explosives and chemical weapons expert and a relative of the terror network's No. 2 leader were among four top operatives believed killed in a U.S. missile strike in Pakistan last week, Pakistani security officials said Thursday.

Hmm, does that mean that if a criminal died in the WTC, that was also ok?

Oh come on. If you are trying to make a valid point I think it would be effective to be more specific. I don't think even Midnyte would say yes to what you are asking because all you said is "a criminal". He is not talking about a bank robber or a man that beats his wife, he is talking about the fucking people that BLEW THE FUCKING WTC up amongst other things.

I would prefer they didn't try to keep bombing him, I would prefer we put in an honest effort to find him, sent in special opps when we did, captured him, and killed him and all of his followers in the slowest, most inhumane way we could possibly think of.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 19, 2006, 8:36 pm

U.S. officials have said that four to eight al Qaeda-affiliated "foreigners" were killed in the attack, including some Egyptians. The bodies were quickly removed by accomplices and buried elsewhere, knowledgeable sources have said.

1) This is the weakest excuse for a post-humerous attempt to justify a target I've ever seen.

2) Even if this rapid burial crew are responsible for stopping them being able to verify their kill; what would be the point of this kind of airstrike? Showing the corpses on Al Jazeera is much more important than actually killing some "top men" according to the prevailing theory.

It's fucking hillarious how Americans can be sold that killing one or two leaders of a group will achieve anything positive, can you not even think for one moment what your reaction would be if say China declared War on Evil then started bombing anywhere they though Bush was that day?

If they managed to clip Cheyney, would that make you see their power and give up the fight? Or would it just piss you off? Would the fact that they bombed a suburban house to get to him be at all justifiable, or just make you even angrier?

You're just so gullible it's astonishing.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » January 19, 2006, 9:31 pm

What the fuck, we bomb a country we are not at war with and it is 'ok' because there may or may not be bad people there? Could someone explain where being pro/con the war makes any difference here?

Thats the most retarded thing I have heard, I believe the real Lemmings are those that believe everything we do is great as long as we label it fighting terrorism'. I have a right to question my government as much as you have a right to blow them.

I am also in favor of many things we are doing currently, but bombing soveriegn nations (we are not at war with) is not one of them. I tend to lean more towards conservative candidates, but actions like these will force me to vote Dem

Perhaps you should goto your local corner store and pop a cap in the clerk since he is obviously a criminal, fuck it put a slug in all the customers to.

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » January 20, 2006, 3:08 am

I fully support the bombings. If we had bad intel then thats our fault, but going after Al-Q in this way is exactly what we need to be doing.

Where is Osama these days anyways? I haven't seen him on tv in what a year and half now? Makes you wonder if the guy is alive.

If they managed to clip Cheyney, would that make you see their power and give up the fight? Or would it just piss you off? Would the fact that they bombed a suburban house to get to him be at all justifiable, or just make you even angrier?

It would if you already killed,maimed, or scared shitless our president that he won't show his face and then almost killed our VP. Yeah I would find that demoralizing. OH and for the future his name is spelled Cheney.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 20, 2006, 3:10 am

Sumdaor wrote:I fully support the bombings. If we had bad intel then thats our fault, but going after Al-Q in this way is exactly what we need to be doing.

Where is Osama these days anyways? I haven't seen him on tv in what a year and half now? Makes you wonder if the guy is alive.

Watch the news lately?

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » January 20, 2006, 3:15 am

Watch the news lately?

Yeah it called a AUDIO TAPE.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 20, 2006, 6:26 am

Sumdaor wrote:OH and for the future his name is spelled Cheney.

I stand corrected, Douchebag it is.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 20, 2006, 10:52 am

It is sad to watch the decline of a superpower fighting ever more desperately to keep it's flame alive.

I guess the deaths of tens of thousands of brown peoples are worth it if you want to keep your country stable, and your own elites as rich as they are, which is of course the job of any capitalist government.

However, you really have to understand attempting to take any form of moral high ground is at this point completely ludicrous, as is complaining when you are eventually attacked by people seeking revenge for (from their perspective) perfectly valid reasons.

Putting yourselves in their shoes for a second, as Zealath posted above, really would begin to put some perspective on this ridiculous crusade you silly Americans feel is so worthy of such blood and death.

At the end of the day, it's you guys, or your children, who will end up paying the price, be it financially or with your lives (like the guys in the WTC), whilst alienating yourselves from the rest of the general population of the planet at the same time.

For your sakes, I hope it's worth it.

Of course if you had any sort of a brain you would realise it isn't and start doing something about it instead of writing stupid posts like "I support this bombing" or "the bombing was a success".

This shit is so old now, it's long past time to get a fucking grip on your disgusting actions abroad.

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » January 20, 2006, 11:47 am

I know you guys abroad want to get your panties in a wad over this attack, but where is the major travesty?

The only error made was maybe bad intel, but we have no idea of knowing since there are conflicting reports out of the area according to the article. Futhermore, if you don't want us bombing your country then don't become a known harbor of Al-Q!

Should the US continue its war on terror is a completely different debate.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » January 20, 2006, 11:52 am

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 20, 2006, 12:17 pm

Nick wrote:It is sad to watch the decline of a superpower fighting ever more desperately to keep it's flame alive.

I guess the deaths of tens of thousands of brown peoples are worth it if you want to keep your country stable, and your own elites as rich as they are, which is of course the job of any capitalist government.

However, you really have to understand attempting to take any form of moral high ground is at this point completely ludicrous, as is complaining when you are eventually attacked by people seeking revenge for (from their perspective) perfectly valid reasons.

Putting yourselves in their shoes for a second, as Zealath posted above, really would begin to put some perspective on this ridiculous crusade you silly Americans feel is so worthy of such blood and death.

At the end of the day, it's you guys, or your children, who will end up paying the price, be it financially or with your lives (like the guys in the WTC), whilst alienating yourselves from the rest of the general population of the planet at the same time.

For your sakes, I hope it's worth it.

Of course if you had any sort of a brain you would realise it isn't and start doing something about it instead of writing stupid posts like "I support this bombing" or "the bombing was a success".

This shit is so old now, it's long past time to get a fucking grip on your disgusting actions abroad.

It gets annoying listening to people from other countries talk about how stupid the US is and how great their country is. I can tell you now I couldnt give less than a fuck about your opinion of what we are doing and you know what else? Neither does our government. Your opinion holds no weight and will change nothing.. now on the other hand a voters opinion holds a bit of weight (as insignificant as it is, it means something)

Even more annoying is how you talk like everyone that disagrees with you is wrong, and needs to get their head out of their ass and think like you, which is a fucking joke.

And funniest of all is how so many people that post often in the current events forum talk like their knowledge on politics and everything is involved are so vast. Let me clue you in, you don't know as much as you think you do, and I severely doubt any of you could do 1/10th as good as the people you bash on a regular basis.

Its a good thing Kerry didn't get elected, or decision making for our country would have been put into the hands of other countries and people like you.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » January 20, 2006, 12:34 pm

and I severely doubt any of you could do 1/10th as good as the people you bash on a regular basis

Im more than 10% as good as your mouth-breathing pre-senile glove-puppet retard of a president while I'm asleep.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 20, 2006, 12:42 pm

Sumdaor wrote:
Watch the news lately?
Yeah it called a AUDIO TAPE.

It's actually called, *an* AUDIO TAPE. Which was verified by our Central Intelligence Agency so I refuse to see your point. The person responsible for 9/11 is still alive and at large, still leading, still recruiting for Al Quaeda, so tell me what has the war on terror accomplished? Here's a better question... Are we still at war with terror, or are we nation building in Iraq?

On a related note, covering your ears and screaming when members of the international community criticize our actions is stupid Funkmasterr. I hate to break it to you, but people outside of the US have a different perspective on the world than you do, and that certainly doesn't make it wrong or bad. You'd have to have had your head buried in the sand for the last 4 years to believe that going to war in Iraq was a good idea or has helped the US in any way. It's cost us a HUGE amount of money, and what do we have to show for it? Not a fucking thing.

Sure if you want to get all 'human rights' on us, Sadaam is out of power and can't hurt his people anymore. I'll grant that that's a good thing, but I'd add that at the end of the day the cost of that action is ridiculously high. The Baath party never got along with the Wahhabists anyway (look it up if you're confused), so there wasn't going to be Iraq sponsoring terrorism against the US anytime soon. Iran has been sponsoring terrorism since the 60s, and it can be argued that Saudi Arabia has as well.

Those of you who buy into this shit seriously need to grow up and learn to be a little more skeptical of what our government says. For further reading, I recommend 'The Assassin's Gate: America in Iraq' by George Packer.

If I only understand 1/10th of what's going on, you need to check yourself, because you don't understand it at all.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 20, 2006, 1:02 pm

It gets annoying listening to people from other countries talk about how stupid the US is and how great their country is. I can tell you now I couldnt give less than a fuck about your opinion of what we are doing and you know what else?

Perhaps you should.
US foreign policy directly (and indirectly) affects everyone.

We have every right to criticise what you do just as you have every right to try and defend it.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 20, 2006, 1:34 pm

Don't get all bitter Funk when you're rightfully being called out for what you're doing.

Silly boy.

OK!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 20, 2006, 1:41 pm

Now those pesky, ungrateful Kurds don't want to be part of the new Iraq! We might have to de-liberate them. With chemical weapons. The circle is now complete.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 20, 2006, 1:50 pm

I don't wanna go on a RANT here but America's foreign policy makes about as much sense as Beowolf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first Battle of Antetum. I mean when a neo-conservative defenstrates it's like Raskalnakov filibuster dioxymonohydrostinate.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » January 20, 2006, 1:53 pm

I don't wanna go on a RANT here but America's foreign policy makes about as much sense as Beowolf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first Battle of Antetum. I mean when a neo-conservative defenstrates it's like Raskalnakov filibuster dioxymonohydrostinate

word

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » January 20, 2006, 1:58 pm

It's actually called, *an* AUDIO TAPE. Which was verified by our Central Intelligence Agency so I refuse to see your point.

Yeah we know how dead on the CIA is about these kind of matters esp ones dealing with the middle east. I won't say he is dead, but the fact he hasn't show his face in a year and half is saying something. The man is either dead, or probably severly maimed.

I actually agree with the rest of your points noel! suprise suprise!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 20, 2006, 2:31 pm

miir wrote:I don't wanna go on a RANT here but America's foreign policy makes about as much sense as Beowolf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first Battle of Antetum. I mean when a neo-conservative defenstrates it's like Raskalnakov filibuster dioxymonohydrostinate.

"Defenstrate?" Even if you meant "defenestrate," it's used improperly.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 20, 2006, 3:04 pm

masteen wrote:
miir wrote:I don't wanna go on a RANT here but America's foreign policy makes about as much sense as Beowolf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first Battle of Antetum. I mean when a neo-conservative defenstrates it's like Raskalnakov filibuster dioxymonohydrostinate.
"Defenstrate?" Even if you meant "defenestrate," it's used improperly.

What the hell is a RANT?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 20, 2006, 3:06 pm

Sumdaor, nothing in your last post is "probable", you just randomly pulled an assumption out of your ass regarding his health and tried to pass it off as a near certainty.

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » January 20, 2006, 3:43 pm

Sumdaor, nothing in your last post is "probable", you just randomly pulled an assumption out of your ass regarding his health and tried to pass it off as a near certainty.

You can call it a assumption but its common sense.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 20, 2006, 4:35 pm

Nick wrote:It is sad to watch the decline of a superpower fighting ever more desperately to keep it's flame alive.

Yeah, but we'll stay on top until December 21st, 2012. After that, what's it matter?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 20, 2006, 4:36 pm

Funkmasterr wrote: Its a good thing Kerry didn't get elected, or decision making for our country would have been put into the hands of other countries and people like you.

Yeah, if only they had your mastery of diplomacy, Mr Spit-in-your-face-so-I-can-pull-a-nine.

Fucktard.