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Ma Bell is coming back?

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So, SBC was approved by the FCC to buy/merge with AT&T, and Verizon with MCI. There were conditions, but were they enough?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9878611/
FCC OKs multibillion-dollar telecom mergers
Regulators approve SBC taking over AT&T, Verizon purchasing MCI

WASHINGTON - Regulators agreed Monday to approve SBC Communications’ takeover of AT&T and Verizon Communications’ purchase of MCI — deals that allow the nation’s biggest phone companies to grow bigger — but with conditions.

By 4-0 votes, the Federal Communications Commission approved the multibillion-dollar mergers with conditions that drew praise from rivals of SBC and Verizon. Consumer advocates, worried about shrinking competition in the industry, said the conditions didn’t go far enough.

The agency required that SBC and Verizon freeze for 30 months the wholesale prices they charge competitors to lease certain high-capacity business lines. It said the two companies had to guarantee for two years that they will sell their high-speed Internet access as a stand-alone service, so customers aren’t forced to buy local phone service as well.

In order to gain approval, the companies also promised not to hinder Internet access to consumers or the free flow of Internet traffic on their networks.

The acquisition by SBC Communications Inc. of AT&T Corp. is valued at $16 billion; the deal with Verizon Communications Inc. and MCI Inc. is said to be worth about $8.5 billion.

Most state regulatory agencies already have sanctioned the unions, although several more still are needed.

FCC Chairman Kevin Martin had wanted the mergers approved without conditions. Concerned about competition, the two Democrats on the four-member panel balked. Martin postponed a vote scheduled for Friday and continued negotiations during the weekend to work out a deal.

“I believe that the affected markets would remain vibrantly competitive absent these conditions,” Martin said. “Nevertheless, the parties involved have chosen to make these commitments now in order to obtain the certainty of immediate commission approval.”

Critics of the deals had complained that asset sales in overlapping areas were needed to ensure healthy competition, but regulators declined to approve selloffs for either company.

Democratic commissioner Michael Copps acknowledged that he would have liked to require more.

“Am I entirely satisfied? No,” Copps said. “But this order is now conditioned on provisions designed to address numerous possible harms to competition and to consumers, as well as to protect the openness and innovation that must always characterize the Internet.”

Qwest Communications International Inc., which had engaged in a three-month bidding war for MCI, praised the FCC conditions. These “actions will increase the likelihood that other firms will be able to fill the competitive gap created by the elimination of AT&T and MCI,” the company said in a statement.

Consumer advocates warned that the impact on customers could be negative.

“Approval of these mergers undermines more than 20 years of efforts to introduce competition into the residential local and long distance telecommunications market,” said Gene Kimmelman, senior director of public policy for Consumers Union, which publishes Consumer Reports magazine.

“The FCC promises cross-technology competition with Internet phone service on cable and telephone systems, but the commission has failed to ensure that consumers will receive meaningful choices at fair prices,” he said.

Verizon and SBC disagreed.

“After two federal reviews and strong approvals by shareholders and the international community, it is clear that this combination is undeniably in the public interest,” said Tom Tauke, Verizon executive vice president of public affairs, policy and communications.

SBC’s chairman and chief executive, Edward E. Whitacre Jr., said its merger with AT&T “will enhance competition, help bring new technologies to market faster, and provide real benefits to consumers and businesses.”

The Justice Department cleared the mergers last week with more limited conditions. Its approval was contingent on Verizon and SBC leasing to rivals high-capacity lines serving business customers in 19 metropolitan areas, including Washington, Boston and Los Angeles.

AT&T and MCI dominate the market for business customers, and the mergers would enhance the base of business customers for the regional Bell companies, Verizon and SBC. The deals would also expand their national and international presence.

San Antonio-based SBC plans to change its corporate name to the more recognizable AT&T after the merger is completed. New York-based Verizon will keep its corporate name.
I also think it's funny that SBC will change it's name to the "more recognizable" AT&T...I think it's because people (at least around here) are all too familiar with SBC and avoid them whenever they can.
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The SBC center (where the San Antonio Spurs play) has to change their name to the AT&T center.I think it's kinda corny...
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Who cares, really. With the advent of VoIP and increasingly faster broadband speeds (not to mention all the cell phone companies) I really don't think traditional (land line) phone companies will be around in 20 years unless they adapt. And that is something that large companies don't normally do very well.
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http://www.bellisback.com/

Welcome back to the days of leased phones and monopoly pricing! It's 1984 again!
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Xouqoa wrote:Who cares, really. With the advent of VoIP and increasingly faster broadband speeds (not to mention all the cell phone companies) I really don't think traditional (land line) phone companies will be around in 20 years unless they adapt. And that is something that large companies don't normally do very well.
haha, are you serious? the reason these companies want to shore up is to squash IP voice from becoming mainstream to keep the old landline cashcow network running way passed it's prime. in 10-15 years most of europe and asia's telcom networks will be all connected together via the internet while you are still dialing obnoxious country codes and paying $3 a minute to talk long distance to mexico while you beg SBC to let you give them more of your money.

good job neocons. goodbye new technology and competetive companies, hello monopolies! CHENEY/SATAN 2008!
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Almost all the profit is gone from the wired phone business already, there's not a lot left in most long distance either. Those high international long distance rates are tarrifs and taxes for the most part. The VoIP providers are still using the somebody else's problem theory for infrastructure, once that changes the business model they operate under will collapse as they'll have costs that are the same as any other provider.

IPTV, gaming services, etc.. are where the money will be generated in the near future, those that can't get on the bus fast enough will get eaten.
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Post by Hoarmurath »

Found this article about SBC quite interesting as well...

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/31/1548247

For those who'd rather not read the article, here is the blurb that accompanied it on Slashdot:
Some guy on Slashdot wrote:"If there were any delusions that Ma Bell Wasn't Back, SBC CEO Edward Witacre has cleared that up in an interview with Business Week Online. When asked about Google, Vonage and other Internet Upstarts he responded in typical Ma Bell Style: 'How do you think they're going to get to customers? Through a broadband pipe. Cable companies have them. We have them. Now what they would like to do is use my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them do that because we have spent this capital and we have to have a return on it. So there's going to have to be some mechanism for these people who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using. Why should they be allowed to use my pipes?'."
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I don't think there's any way he'll ever be able to charge internet companies for data transfer charges.

If someone doesn't want to pay this extortion, are they going to start blocking access to this service?

I dunno about you guys but if my internet provider started blocking Google of Vonage(my current phone service), I'd be dropping them immediatly.
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shit in 20 years there will probably be good data rates on wireless networks (over long distances).

so who gives a fuck
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I can't say anything bad about Verizon right now. I'm getting FiOS this month!!

(15Mbs internet service)
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Neroon wrote:I can't say anything bad about Verizon right now. I'm getting FiOS this month!!

(15Mbs internet service)
Nice! What's the upstream speed on that service? Cox is getting close on the down as I'm getting ~11Mbs down but only 1.25Mbs Up.
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Xouqoa wrote:Who cares, really. With the advent of VoIP and increasingly faster broadband speeds (not to mention all the cell phone companies) I really don't think traditional (land line) phone companies will be around in 20 years unless they adapt. And that is something that large companies don't normally do very well.
Who do you think is buying up all of the ISPs and attempting to control all of the high-speed Internet connections?

The phone companies.

They're adapting. Probably their biggest potential competitor at the moment are broadband wireless offerings and the other evil empire, the cable companies.

TV over IP is coming, and your phone companies are likely going to be the first ones to bring it to mainstream America.

Edit: Regarding broadband wireless: Broadband wireless is in it's infancy in terms of capability/coverage. At present, all wireless connections go to a backend wired connection. We're probably a decade (or more) away from even discussing a fully-wireless fully-meshed 'Internet'. The critical thing now is the adoption of IPV6.
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I plead ignorance. What is Ma Bell?
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Winnow wrote:
Neroon wrote:I can't say anything bad about Verizon right now. I'm getting FiOS this month!!

(15Mbs internet service)
Nice! What's the upstream speed on that service? Cox is getting close on the down as I'm getting ~11Mbs down but only 1.25Mbs Up.
It is 15Mbs down/2Mbs up for $44.95 a month. They have a 30Mbps/5Mbps for $180, but that's a bit much :P

They are supposed to add in TV service "better than cable" at some point, too.
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Kaldaur wrote:I plead ignorance. What is Ma Bell?
Ma Bell. Got the ill communication.
Ma Bell. Got the ill communication.
Ma Bell. Got the ill communication.

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