Should Brett Farve be benched?

noel · Post by **noel** » October 28, 2005, 10:34 am

Something Bubba does care about.

It's been suggested that with their season in ruins, the Packers should start giving their backup who's slated to replace Farve some playing time. What do you guys think?

Canoe · Post by **Canoe** » October 28, 2005, 10:41 am

3 More losses and yes, right now (even at 1-5) they still have a legitimate shot at winning the division with a 9-7 record.

noel · Post by **noel** » October 28, 2005, 11:22 am

I tend to agree. It's not apparent to me that the situation would be any better (other than the backup getting some experience) with Farve on the bench, and he's meant far too much to the Packers to bench him.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » October 28, 2005, 11:39 am

This may be skewed since we only really see Raiders, Rams and Cherger games here, but I don't think Farve has been the reason they suck. If they roll off a 4 game winning streak they are in first in that division. Farve has not said this is his last year yet, so let him play and see what happens.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 28, 2005, 12:34 pm

Favre reason they suck? Wow you truly haven't seen any of their games..

- They have no running game left
- They have no WRs left
- They have no offensive line whatsoever left
- Their defense is horrible

Those are the reason they suck heh. Favre should not be benched yet, any other division maybe but not here. It is so whacky they can still get to the play-offs. Not to mention Favre has meant a LOT to the team and deserve to stay in the game if he wants to AND they would get their new QB killed.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 28, 2005, 12:40 pm

Kelshara wrote:Favre reason they suck? Wow you truly haven't seen any of their games..

Tyek wrote:I don't think Farve has been the reason they suck.

I think you may have misread him.

And I voted no. He's leading the NFL in touchdowns. The Packers would get blown out by the Texans if they didn't have Brett Favre. He's playing too well to bench, no matter how bad the season is.

Post by **Xouqoa** » October 28, 2005, 2:17 pm

Favre is playing like he's 26, not 36. I don't see them benching him, even if they do drop 3 or 4 more games. They may let the new guy come in and play in the 3rd/4th quarter or something, but I don't see them disrespecting Brett and benching him as a starter - he still has the consecutive starts streak going.

Oh yeah, and what Kelshara said. That's why they suck this year. ><

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 28, 2005, 2:33 pm

Holy crap I did misread him. Sorry, rough morning..

Thanks for correcting me!

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » October 28, 2005, 2:54 pm

You don't put a young guy in there to take a beating behind that god awful line and depleted team. Not if you have any intention of letting them have a chance to learn how to win.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » October 28, 2005, 3:31 pm

They should definitely bench him this week. Then let him play out the rest of the season.

I would much rather the Bengals face a rookie that has had no mentoring thru the first half of the season.

And Favre owes the Bengals a favor. After all, it was the Bengals that gave him his opportunity to start.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » October 28, 2005, 4:03 pm

No. Favre will keep playing so long as he is having fun. You take the game away from him he will retire. We need him for at least another year. I am astounded at how many starters have been taken out of the game. Maybe this new blood will spark something cool. Hell we signed a guy named TACO ffs. How can that not be draw? Lambeau Field is sold out no matter what the record is. How many other francises can say the same about that?

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » October 28, 2005, 4:39 pm

NO BENCHING. He is the only player on my FF team that's giving me a slight chance over some of you.

He's having a stellar season considering his more lacking teammates.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » October 28, 2005, 4:46 pm

You bench him, and throw in a Newbie QB. You will only end up making that Qb's NFL life, hell.

Greenbay has no one. Oline, no running game, and no WR. So throwing in a QB thats never played/started a NFL game in to that mix will only be badddd.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » October 29, 2005, 12:28 am

FaVRe.

I haven't duly followed the woes of Green Bay this season, but from what I know, he carries incredible charisma. I think he should remain in the game.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » October 31, 2005, 11:36 am

Ok..so the favor Favre offered the Bengals was not what I wanted. He didnt ride the pine. But he did throw 5 ints. I guess I can accept that.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 31, 2005, 12:42 pm

I have a lot of respect for Favre but none for the announcers. They totally ignore Favre's 5 picks and get all excited over one completion.

When it comes to Favre, the announcers really baby him and they should to a point, but the talk about his recent performance needs to be a little more objective...especially since he has no desire at all to help Rogers develop into his replacement.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » October 31, 2005, 1:08 pm

The fact is that Sherman fucked the team, with his horrific personel moves. Favre has one year left on his contract, and given his nature he will finnish that year. I would suspect that unless some serious improvements occur in the young team by the end of next year, he will retire at the end of next season. There is no way he is going to be benched unless injury keeps him out. At age 36, there still isn't a team in the league, outside the Colts or Pats, that wouldn't take him as their QB.

The real problem is the recievers are all mediocre and do not fight for the ball, much less to get open. If you have watched them, a lot of the picks he has tossed were balls plucked out of the recievers hands, especially Robert Fergesson's. With no running game (Davenport is out for the year and Green is essentially over the hill), they fall behind and suddenly the pressure is all on Favre's shoulders to win the game every week, so he forces things. His offensive line is horrible, thanks to the inability to keep either guard in the off season. Long story short, its painful to watch.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 31, 2005, 1:50 pm

i wonder if Favre would try to leverage the Packers to let him out of his contract so he could become a free agent.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 31, 2005, 2:08 pm

When it comes to Favre, the announcers really baby him and they should to a point, but the talk about his recent performance needs to be a little more objective

You're totally right. There's only a few players like this in the NFL and it's totally inexplicable. I mean, Brett Favre threw five interceptions yesterday. What do the headlines read? "Another Favre comeback falls short." Give me a fucking break. The media sure as hell doesn't give Joey Harrington any breaks when he throws five picks.

Last season, I think in the playoff game that the Packers lost to the Vikings, Favre threw a forward pass when he was clearly like 5 yards past the line of scrimmage, and then laughed about it afterward, while the announcers said "oh that Brett Favre, he has so much fun playing the game". The penalty negated the yards he would have gained by scrambling. The play was disturbingly remniscent of something that Aaron Brooks or the old Jake Plummer would do, and you know that if it had been Brooks who had done something like that it would have run on every highlight show for the next week. Favre did it again yesterday, with almost no comment from the media.

There's a few other players like that: Tedy Bruschi is apparently a football deity now, and Tom Brady is close. Or Bill Belichik: I've never seen a Patriots loss in which the media attributed any part of the blame to any of those 3 guys.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 31, 2005, 2:25 pm

I was watching the Chiefs game yesterday vs the Chargers and all I heard for the beginning of the game was about how Trent Green's father had passed away. You could tell that they were dying (no pun intended) to make a great outing by Trent Green a big story attached to the recent death of his father. As it turned out, Trent had a shitty day and the Chiefs got rocked. Along the same lines as babying superstars, I doubt that if a regular Joe NFL football player had lost their father that such a big deal would have been made. Sad to say but a shitload of people lose a family member each week. It doesn't need to be the focus of the game.

Did you see Tedy Bruschi running from the horde of TV cameras and reporters after the game last night? He got incredible air time during the game. I like Bruschi but still wish announcers would focus more on the game and analysis than human interest stories for the wives watching the game...nevermind, I just answered my own question as to why they dwell on these things...for all the people watching that don't really like football.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 31, 2005, 2:46 pm

During yesterdays Pat's game, there were two separate incidents where the announcers talked about Tedy Bruschi while a turnover was occuring. Twice. The turnover occurred, the announcers kept talking about Tedy, and then maybe 30 seconds later you would hear "So the Bills have the ball now...". I'm all for talking about interesting stories, but come on, shouldn't their primary job be telling us what happens on the field?

Did Trent Green play that badly? I didn't watch the game, but his stats looked pretty good.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 31, 2005, 3:10 pm

Sueven wrote:You're totally right. There's only a few players like this in the NFL and it's totally inexplicable. I mean, Brett Favre threw five interceptions yesterday. What do the headlines read? "Another Favre comeback falls short." Give me a fucking break. The media sure as hell doesn't give Joey Harrington any breaks when he throws five picks.

Eh, Brett Favre is a future Hall of Famer who I think has proven himself as someone who can lead comeback victories. Joey Harrington has won like 10 games as a starter and he isn't a starter anymore because he sucks. I agree that the media seems to coddle certain people, but in some cases the players have earned it.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 31, 2005, 3:36 pm

You are right, Sylvus. However, I think that the announcers coddle Favre more than they do other top-flight quarterbacks. Announcers can be downright brutal when a star is in the diminished-skills portion of their career, but for some reason it's hands-off on Brett.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 31, 2005, 4:23 pm

Sueven wrote:During yesterdays Pat's game, there were two separate incidents where the announcers talked about Tedy Bruschi while a turnover was occuring. Twice. The turnover occurred, the announcers kept talking about Tedy, and then maybe 30 seconds later you would hear "So the Bills have the ball now...". I'm all for talking about interesting stories, but come on, shouldn't their primary job be telling us what happens on the field?

Did Trent Green play that badly? I didn't watch the game, but his stats looked pretty good.

Exactly. I remember both turnovers. Basically, Tedy became more important than the game itself which should never happen. They were HUGE turnovers and you had to wait 30 seconds before the announcers could jump in and talk about what was happening...that irritates me. Keep the split screen recorded interviews on ice until the game is in a timeout situation.

Trent Green didn't play that bad, he was sacked and generally had a difficult game not necessarily due to his own play but the announcers couldn't find a play to latch onto and bring back up that his father had passed away after the huge build up before and through the first part of the game.

We all know Favre is a Hall of Famer but for god's sake, he gets constant over-the-top coverage on how great he is...mostly because the team is sucking so bad and there's nothing else to discuss. I hope at least a few begin to turn on him if he decides to ride it out again next year...especially if he keeps the same, "fuck my back-up, it's not my job to help him" attitude.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 31, 2005, 6:24 pm

You are making way too much out of the back-up comment heh. I can guarantee you that Favre is helping him, but at the same time I can guarantee you that he will do his best to keep him on the bench until it is time to retire. Yes I saw the comment he made, and to some extent I agree. Favre should help, but it isn't HIS job to do it all. It is HIS job to keep his job as the QB.

That said, interception stats are highly overrated. Did you even see some of those picks? They bounced on 4 different people!

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » October 31, 2005, 6:39 pm

Not only that some of those picks were damn good catches. I think there was only one where the guy caught it in stride and was able to get some return.

I can't blame the loss on the fan running out onto the field but I can blame him for running the momentum they were building to tie the game. What really pisses me off is that no one leveled that guy.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » October 31, 2005, 6:43 pm

I wouldnt start Favre's replacement this year. Get him some play time, sure. If you start the guy on that team he will probably become damaged goods

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 31, 2005, 9:59 pm

Bubba Grizz wrote:What really pisses me off is that no one leveled that guy.

They tried and ended up leveling each other.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 1, 2005, 11:14 am

Voronwë wrote:i wonder if Favre would try to leverage the Packers to let him out of his contract so he could become a free agent.

I don't think he would play with another team. Then again, I said the same thing about Montana at the end of his career. Then again, Marino and Elway stuck with their respective teams until the end although Elway never really looked like his career was waning.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 1, 2005, 11:41 am

Jice Virago wrote:The real problem is the recievers are all mediocre and do not fight for the ball, much less to get open. If you have watched them, a lot of the picks he has tossed were balls plucked out of the recievers hands, especially Robert Fergesson's.

Watching clips of the game this week, I was thinking the EXACT same thing. The guy I saw who was responsible for 3 of those INT's was Donald Driver. He sees the ball underthrown a tad and he just does not even make the slightest hint of an effort to grab at it. He could have easily just knocked it down but he never even raised his hands to make an effort. If Favre had Chad Johnson in the place of Driver, the Packers would probably won that game and favre would have had 2 INT's at most and probably only 1.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » November 1, 2005, 11:54 am

I can't blame the loss on the fan running out onto the field but I can blame him for running the momentum they were building to tie the game. What really pisses me off is that no one leveled that guy.

That guy got absolutely PLANTED at the 15 yard line. He dodged two guards but the third flat out knocked him into another state on consiousness.

The crowd was in a near riotous mood thanks to that bogus Pass Intereference call that moved the Pack to the 50. When that fan ran out, it was like everyones frustrations over that call were being let out. As he staggered to his feet after that decleating, he received one of the loudest cheers Ive ever heard in that stadium.

http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?showtopic=11124

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 1, 2005, 11:56 am

That would be because the Bengals fans are a group of drunken redneck hillbillies. They should have been flagged for a 15 yard Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty for fan interference.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » November 1, 2005, 12:20 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:That would be because the Bengals fans are a group of drunken redneck hillbillies. They should have been flagged for a 15 yard Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty for fan interference.

I agree totally!

I was really hoping a 300 pound lineman would have flatten him though. They showed this guy in court facing his criminal charges of tresspass and public intoxication and something else to which he pled Not Guilty. How do you plead not guilty when the damn thing is on tape? Stupid hillbilly.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 1, 2005, 12:39 pm

It sucks that they don't want to encourage idiots running onto the field and keep the cameras off. A fan is fair game for players to abuse according to the outcome of the Indiana/Detroit case where O'Neil decked the fan standing on the court.

I'd be all over chasing down that fan and using a WWF take down on him if I was a player.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 1, 2005, 12:42 pm

It's Bret Favrvrvevre

miir · Post by **miir** » November 1, 2005, 12:54 pm

The play was disturbingly remniscent of something that Aaron Brooks or the old Jake Plummer would do

Plummer would have thrown an interception.

Speaking of Plummer, who stole his jersey this year? Seriously, that guy playing pivot in denver this year sure as fuck aint Plummer.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » November 1, 2005, 1:49 pm

Favre is really the only reason that GB is competitive this year. They have still been in many of the games they lost right up until the end. That is without any talent helping him at all. He has absolutely no weapons at all and he is still playing better than most other QBs in the league. Only an idiot would bench but Coach Sherman might just be that idiot. The backups aren't that great though. Rodgers is mediocre in my opinion and Nall looked good last year but I don't know how he would look behind that O-Line and no running game.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 1, 2005, 2:50 pm

The whole NFC North Sucks ass, I hope they take their playoff spot away and give it to the NFC East.

Badabidi · Post by **Badabidi** » November 1, 2005, 6:16 pm

Favre needs to retire because I doubt the Packers will let him leave Green Bay

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 1, 2005, 6:22 pm

I think that Favre is one of the best QBs to ever play. He's a fucking gunslinger.

He also needs to retire, and let the Packers get on with the post Favre era.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » November 2, 2005, 11:58 am

Favre is still nearly at the top of his game. At his age, Marino and Elway were both much worse and should have retired. Favre is still better than most other QBs ten years younger than himself. If he was dragging the team down then I would agree he needs to retire but he isn't.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » November 2, 2005, 1:21 pm

Cartalas wrote:The whole NFC North Sucks ass, I hope they take their playoff spot away and give it to the NFC East.

Hey! My Lions can still... uh... they.. umm...

Yeah, it would probably be best to do what you said. =/