The most overrated albums in the world

Drolgin Steingrinder · October 7, 2005, 9:04 am

According to a BBC Radio poll, these are the ten most overrated albums ever:

1. Nirvana - Nevermind

"One great single maybe but the rest is irritating second rate rock with mindless whining that had, has been, and is being written everywhere by admittedly less pretty and tragic characters."
Greg Spellman, Northamptonshire

"There were many better bands - Dinosaur Jr, Mudhoney, The Pixies - who came before. Nirvana just came along at the right time and captured that Zeitgeist and then became the marketing mans dream."
Ewan Swain

"Whilst I quite enjoy "In Uetro" I can't see what all the fuss about 'Nevermind' is about. Other than "Smells like..." there really isn't a decent tune on there."
Chris, Birmingham

2) COLDPLAY - X&Y (2005)

3) THE LIBERTINES - THE LIBERTINES (2004)

4) OASIS - DEFINITELY MAYBE (1994)

5) U2 - THE JOSHUA TREE (1987)

6) RADIOHEAD - OK COMPUTER (1997)

7) THE BEATLES - SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND (1967)

THE BEACH BOYS - PET SOUNDS (1966)

9) SEX PISTOLS - NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS (1977)

10) THE SMITHS - THE QUEEN IS DEAD (1986)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/events/over ... list.shtml

Trek · Post by **Trek** » October 7, 2005, 9:28 am

I like Nevermind, there are some good tunes on that record.

Having Never mind the Bollocks on that list is crap, that is a great record.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 7, 2005, 9:40 am

Oh dear......

Nevermind, Ok Computer, Sgt Peppers and Pet Sounds?

What retards participated in this joke?

Bleurgh.

laneela · Post by **laneela** » October 7, 2005, 10:57 am

This list angers me.

While I wouldn't disagree that some of these albums *may* be slightly overrated, some of them definately are not (hi, Sgt. Pepper's, Never Mind the Bollocks and OK Computer!). FFS, I don't know all that many people that even own The Queen is Dead and I don't recall it ever being critically acclaimed. I think most of the people who voted were that special brand of people who will automatically hate good music because it's what the "music snobs" listen to.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 7, 2005, 11:42 am

1. Nirvana - Nevermind

Agreed. Guess I never 'got it' because I thought Nirvana was crap. Teen Spirit was alright that's about it.

FFS, I don't know all that many people that even own The Queen is Dead and I don't recall it ever being critically acclaimed.

I own it!

miir · Post by **miir** » October 7, 2005, 11:47 am

Lists like this make me laugh.
Musical taste is so subjective.
One person's gold is another's pile of shit.

That being said, I have to take exception to some of their picks.

I'm not a Beatles fan... it wouldn't be far off to say that I dislike the Beatles very much. But only an idiot would ignore how influential they were and label what is one of their best albums as being overrated.

Nirvana : Nevermind. Sure, Dinosaur Jr, Mudhoney and The Pixies came before them but none of them were able to successfully integrate pop sensibilities into their music so well. This one sigle album defined the dominant music genre of that decade.

Pet Sounds. It makes me sad to see it on this list.

Some of the picks are spot on. U2 and Oasis are consistently overrated and the Libertines who barely even registered anywhere outside the UK are certainly undeserving of the acclaim of 'best new band in Britian' from NME (lol NME is a fucking joke anyway). I like a few Smiths tracks but always thought their albums were crap. Morrissey is such a twat, I can't see how anyone could put up with his whiney shit over the course of an entire album without wanting to punch him in the face.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 7, 2005, 12:52 pm

In college, I knew a girl who was so into Morrissey that she made her boyfriend cut his hair and dress like that faggot.

But seriously, Nirvana, The Beach Boys, the fucking Beatles?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 7, 2005, 1:37 pm

Pink Floyd - The Wall

not even one of their best 3 albums....

but yeah Morrissey...god that twit is insufferable

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 7, 2005, 2:02 pm

Nirvana - Nevermind...listening to the entire album gives me a headache but I still recognize it's contribution to the music scene.

You have to take Nevemind as a whole for all it represented...grunge look, changing attitude of teens during the early 90's (lyrics), style of music, etc. The album cover is great as well. Gimmie that dollar!

I still listen to several songs off the Nirvana album but can only take it music in small doses.

Whatever, nevermind.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 7, 2005, 3:43 pm

Nevermind is a great album. I was a fan of Dinosaur, Jr. and the Pixies (and to a lesser extent, Mudhoney) as well and I don't know if any of them produced an album that was as listenable from start to finish as Nevermind.

But, as has been said, it's all subjective so they're welcome to their opinion.

Here is my short list of bands that should be taken out behind the shed:
1. Dave Matthews Band
2. Jimmy Buffet
3. The Eagles

If you disagree with me, you're wrong!

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 7, 2005, 5:56 pm

wow about the Nirvana pick, I consider EVERY album of their's an overated piece of shit

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 7, 2005, 8:27 pm

Go you~

Morrisey is fucking shite thought.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 8, 2005, 1:19 am

wow....

just wow.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » October 8, 2005, 2:20 am

Hmm. There are a few tracks on Coldplay's album that I really like. The lead singer's vocal range is nothing to scoff at (though I don't care for their lyrics), and some of the music is memorable enough.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 8, 2005, 3:03 am

Sylvus wrote:Nevermind is a great album. I was a fan of Dinosaur, Jr. and the Pixies (and to a lesser extent, Mudhoney) as well and I don't know if any of them produced an album that was as listenable from start to finish as Nevermind.

But, as has been said, it's all subjective so they're welcome to their opinion.

Here is my short list of bands that should be taken out behind the shed:
1. Dave Matthews Band
2. Jimmy Buffet
3. The Eagles

If you disagree with me, you're wrong!

I couldn't agree with you more on the dave mathews band.

I don't think his lyrics are any good for the most part, although some of the instrumental stuff is nice at times.

I just have a problem with people like him, (im not even going to go down the list of others like him ) who have nothing good to say about the U.S. , should make their money elsewhere, we don't need them.

I was also insulted that he has repeatedly ruined a good bob dylan song.

Secondly I do not agree with Nirvana or the Beatles being on this list. But as said.. taste is taste..[/b]

redeemed · Post by **redeemed** » October 8, 2005, 6:16 am

I think someone said it -- but greatness in music is always subject to taste/opinion
though if the radio poll says it's bad it must be so

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » October 8, 2005, 11:42 am

Do they think those albums were overrated because a lot of people liked them or something?

Say what you will about Morrissey as a person, but he made incredible music with The Smiths.

Not sure what they ment about Joshua Tree being overrated, while War is my favorite album of theirs, Joshua Tree is considered to be their signature breakthrough album. There isn't one bad, filler type song on the entire album. It disgusts me that they would even consider Joshua Tree to be on the all time overrated list.

Nirvana can't really be called overrated if it started to change the face of music for a generation. Its a solid album and when I herd it for the first time, I was just blown away.

miir · Post by **miir** » October 8, 2005, 1:28 pm

Say what you will about Morrissey as a person, but he made incredible music with The Smiths.

Don't know him 'as a person' but the personna he portays in the Smiths music is too damn whiny and melancholy to stomach over the course of an entire album.

I like the Smiths in small doses.

MooZilla · Post by **MooZilla** » October 8, 2005, 9:09 pm

Nevermind is SO OVERRATED that it influenced pretty much all of the music we hear today.

miir · Post by **miir** » October 9, 2005, 12:46 am

MooZilla wrote:Nevermind is SO OVERRATED that it influenced pretty much all of the music we hear today.

OMG yea like the Foo Fighters, they are like such a total Nirvana ripoff band, like whatever.

laneela · Post by **laneela** » October 9, 2005, 11:16 am

MooZilla wrote:Nevermind is SO OVERRATED that it influenced pretty much all of the music we hear today.

YEAH ALL OF IT!!!

Drolgin Steingrinder · October 9, 2005, 11:20 am

MooZilla wrote:Nevermind is SO OVERRATED that it influenced pretty much all of the music we hear today.

Maybe the music *you* hear? Yes, as posterkids for the grunge wave, Nirvana were influential, but I'd say you're tragicomically overestimating their general importance.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 9, 2005, 1:41 pm

Momopi wrote:Nirvana can't really be called overrated if it started to change the face of music for a generation.

I didn't see a whole lot change because of them. Guess I must have missed something.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 9, 2005, 2:11 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Momopi wrote:Nirvana can't really be called overrated if it started to change the face of music for a generation.
I didn't see a whole lot change because of them. Guess I must have missed something.

Yeah, they were just one of the many "grunge" bands that happened to "make it big" at the time. They weren't the first or the best, but they were the band MTV stood behind the most! They didn't change anything, and people who think they did were just listening to the reviewers from media that was making money off of telling them that.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 9, 2005, 4:06 pm

Why do you think any group makes it big? It's because MTV or someone else gets behind them. Who gives a shit if there were other grunge bands. Nirvana is the one that made it big, thus introducing the whole grunge scene to the world. Generation X.

If the entertainment world supports someone, they'll continue to thrive (U2, Rolling Stones, insert a bunch of other bands here)

"Overrated" is discussing popular bands and their influence, not garage bands that should have made it and not the quality of the music.

Rap bands, (Puff Daddy)...CRAP! They are hugely popular though so aren't overrated in categories other than talent.

Puff Daddy = Star Wars episode 1-3 (suck ass but make lots of money)
Talented Bands without huge media support = Serenity (not popular but great movie)

It's shit but if people buy it. Why should the entertainment biz stop producing it?

miir · Post by **miir** » October 9, 2005, 7:58 pm

It's not as black and white as that, Winnow.

There was a thriving 'grunge' scene before commercial media 'got behind' it. It wasn't by chance that they latched on to Nirvana. They were a virtual powderkeg waiting to explode and mtv and radio had no choice but to ride the wave (so to speak) lest they be left behind.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » October 9, 2005, 10:22 pm

Nirvana was 'big' before MTV got involved

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » October 9, 2005, 10:40 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Momopi wrote:Nirvana can't really be called overrated if it started to change the face of music for a generation.
I didn't see a whole lot change because of them. Guess I must have missed something.

I guess you did.

Winnow wrote:If the entertainment world supports someone, they'll continue to thrive (U2, Rolling Stones, insert a bunch of other bands here)

U2 does just fine on the merits of their music and not from the push of the entertainment world. The last 2 albums were just as good as older ones they made.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 9, 2005, 10:45 pm

Momopi wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
Momopi wrote:Nirvana can't really be called overrated if it started to change the face of music for a generation.
I didn't see a whole lot change because of them. Guess I must have missed something.
I guess you did.

Well how about filling me in. Just what exactly did Nirvana fucking do to 'change the face of music for a generation' (OMG!)?

Boogahz wrote:They didn't change anything, and people who think they did were just listening to the reviewers from media that was making money off of telling them that.

Which is why they deserve to be on the list.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 9, 2005, 11:02 pm

Yeah, I was agreeing that they deserved to be on the list as well!

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 9, 2005, 11:31 pm

Well they HELPED show everyone what a joke cock rock had become at the time, thus in some way saving rock itself from becoming a COMPLETE mockery of itself.

Raw, gruesome sludgy roughness, yeah, they didn't inspire a thing.

I'm not saying they alone are responsible for those things being introduced, but they definately helped facilitate a lot of change, still obvious in todays music.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 9, 2005, 11:56 pm

Lets consult the Wikipedia! (Teeny made a good point about the "cock rock" or hair bands being out of control before the grunge era set in)

Nevermind catapulted Nirvana from an obscure Seattle-area band to critical and popular success. "Nevermind" symbolically signaled the end of the hair metal ballads and bombastic anthems of the 1980's. The opening track, "Smells Like Teen Spirit", and its accompanying music video that depicted a high school pep rally gone awry, received massive airplay in late 1991, propelling the members of Nirvana to superstardom. Other hits include "Come As You Are", "Lithium", and "In Bloom". Producer Butch Vig crafted Nirvana's distorted guitars, pounding drums, rumbling bass, and wailing vocals into catchy, engrossing tracks that appealed to a wide audience and set the standard for rock music throughout the 1990s. Many people have called the album 'the Beatles played with attitude.'

As a reaction against hair metal bands, which were perceived as pompous and corporate-dominated by the alternative music communities, Nevermind is often considered one of the albums which most affected society. Along with perhaps Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Saturday Night Fever, and Never Mind The Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols, Nevermind brought a counterculture to the mainstream, radically altering the musical landscape to allow for immediate hits from other grunge bands, like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains.

Nevermind hit #1 on Billboard Music Chart's Top 200 albums and the Heatseekers chart. It was voted as the best album of the year in The Village Voice Pazz & Jop critics poll.

In 2005 the album was deemed "culturally, historically or aesthetically significant" by the Library of Congress and inducted into its music collection.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » October 10, 2005, 12:07 am

Winnow wrote:Lets consult the Wikipedia! (Teeny made a good point about the "cock rock" or hair bands being out of control before the grunge era set in)

Nevermind catapulted Nirvana from an obscure Seattle-area band to critical and popular success. "Nevermind" symbolically signaled the end of the hair metal ballads and bombastic anthems of the 1980's. The opening track, "Smells Like Teen Spirit", and its accompanying music video that depicted a high school pep rally gone awry, received massive airplay in late 1991, propelling the members of Nirvana to superstardom. Other hits include "Come As You Are", "Lithium", and "In Bloom". Producer Butch Vig crafted Nirvana's distorted guitars, pounding drums, rumbling bass, and wailing vocals into catchy, engrossing tracks that appealed to a wide audience and set the standard for rock music throughout the 1990s. Many people have called the album 'the Beatles played with attitude.'

As a reaction against hair metal bands, which were perceived as pompous and corporate-dominated by the alternative music communities, Nevermind is often considered one of the albums which most affected society. Along with perhaps Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Saturday Night Fever, and Never Mind The Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols, Nevermind brought a counterculture to the mainstream, radically altering the musical landscape to allow for immediate hits from other grunge bands, like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains.

Nevermind hit #1 on Billboard Music Chart's Top 200 albums and the Heatseekers chart. It was voted as the best album of the year in The Village Voice Pazz & Jop critics poll.

In 2005 the album was deemed "culturally, historically or aesthetically significant" by the Library of Congress and inducted into its music collection.

Your quote is not a compelling arguement, there is mention of another over rated album

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 10, 2005, 12:30 am

Trek wrote:music collection.
Your quote is not a compelling arguement, there is mention of another over rated album

Um, isn't that the point? The same article that overrates Nirvana, overrates the Sex Pistols. It is a compelling argument unless you agree with the original article.

Here's the video "Smells Like Teen Spirit"

Video - Nirvana, Smells Like Teen Spirit ~57mb

There's a reason it was so popular. As stated above, the big hair bands had lost their grip. Picture yourself at that high school ralley in the video. Bored shitless with manufactured "cock rock" that was all starting to sound the same. When I watch this video, and it's really a bad video imo, the song and video gets its point across even if I can't make out 75% of the lyrics. "Here we are now, entertain us" is all you need to hear...that and "Whatever, nevermind" which are the main themes.

Even when I see the lyrics of Nirvana songs, they aren't great...worse than average imo, but the lyrics, along with the distorted music, is the message. It was a needed shift from canned rock song and lyrics...who cares if you could understand either.

Some of you are old enough to have been in high school when Smells Like Teen Spirit invaded MTV in 1991. You have to put your mindset back to that time period and not now as we've been flooded with blaring distorted nonsensical lyric bands since then but at the time it was a breath of fresh air for the music scene. As with movies...you don't rate Casablance and Citizen Kane in terms of it's impact if released today, but in terms of it's impact when it was originally released.

Have a look, and warp yourself back to 1991 if you are old enough to do so while watching it.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » October 10, 2005, 1:12 am

Since they are the only 2 albums on the list that I like, I guess I agree!

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » October 10, 2005, 7:42 am

Aslanna wrote:
Momopi wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
Momopi wrote:Nirvana can't really be called overrated if it started to change the face of music for a generation.
I didn't see a whole lot change because of them. Guess I must have missed something.
I guess you did.
Well how about filling me in. Just what exactly did Nirvana fucking do to 'change the face of music for a generation' (OMG!)?

Boogahz wrote:They didn't change anything, and people who think they did were just listening to the reviewers from media that was making money off of telling them that.
Which is why they deserve to be on the list.

If you didn't get it then and still don't get it, then its pointless trying to explain it to you. Its just something you had to have gone through at that time to see how things were changing. Writing it down or quoting some magazine can't explain the way the music felt back when nirvana first came out. Best thing I can equate to it is that I felt a new burst of energy from the very first time I heard nevermind and I know I wasn't the only one.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 10, 2005, 11:39 am

Momopi wrote:If you didn't get it then and still don't get it, then its pointless trying to explain it to you. Its just something you had to have gone through at that time to see how things were changing. Writing it down or quoting some magazine can't explain the way the music felt back when nirvana first came out. Best thing I can equate to it is that I felt a new burst of energy from the very first time I heard nevermind and I know I wasn't the only one.

That's all fine and dandy. But you're not telling me why you think Nevermind 'changed the face of music for a generation' other than some quasi-mystical "you had to be there" hoodoo voodoo. Gee if I wasnt there where the hell was I? I must have been in a coma or something.

I'm sure it's a fine album to some people. But it most certainly is deserving of the overrated status bestowed upon it by this poll.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 10, 2005, 12:55 pm

In 1990, I spent the summer in the Seattle area which may be influencing on my opinion.

I must withdraw myself form the debate!

In the past, I thought we had established the fact that all top ten, top one hundred, or most any music ranking lists are highly subjective as the beauty of music is that there's such a wide variety of it out there that rankings don't mean much. I compare finding your own taste in music to going to a buffet. You can pick and choose what you like and put together your own personal plate (collection) that should always differ in at least some small way from someone elses.

That's all the Monday morning bullshit I can muster up!

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » October 10, 2005, 1:26 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Momopi wrote:If you didn't get it then and still don't get it, then its pointless trying to explain it to you. Its just something you had to have gone through at that time to see how things were changing. Writing it down or quoting some magazine can't explain the way the music felt back when nirvana first came out. Best thing I can equate to it is that I felt a new burst of energy from the very first time I heard nevermind and I know I wasn't the only one.
That's all fine and dandy. But you're not telling me why you think Nevermind 'changed the face of music for a generation' other than some quasi-mystical "you had to be there" hoodoo voodoo. Gee if I wasnt there where the hell was I? I must have been in a coma or something.

I'm sure it's a fine album to some people. But it most certainly is deserving of the overrated status bestowed upon it by this poll.

Because if you look at all the music leading up through 1990 into 1991, it was mostly fluff music and top 40 such as tiffany, rick astley, poison etc.
Once Nirvana hit the airwaves you might notice all that other stuff pretty much stopped all together. They paved the way for record companies to take chances on bands like Alice in chains and Pearl Jam. This new sound was what teens and 20's kids have been looking for to embrace, with the "i don't care attitude" type of music with high energy. In a lot of cases it totally reshaped the way kids thought at the time. Even today you can see there is still a lot of influence from nirvana on todays music. If you like Nirvana or not its irrelevant but the fact remains that Nevermind is by far one of the most influencial albums of our generation.

Sartori · Post by **Sartori** » October 10, 2005, 1:43 pm

Winnow wrote:In 1990, I spent the summer in the Seattle area which may be influencing on my opinion.

I must withdraw myself form the debate!

In the past, I thought we had established the fact that all top ten, top one hundred, or most any music ranking lists are highly subjective as the beauty of music is that there's such a wide variety of it out there that rankings don't mean much. I compare finding your own taste in music to going to a buffet. You can pick and choose what you like and put together your own personal plate (collection) that should always differ in at least some small way from someone elses.

That's all the Monday morning bullshit I can muster up!

My dad is pretty much a music nut which for the most part I find agreeable. What pisses me off is he loves these stupid top XXX lists to the point where he'll try and listen to or get his hands on as much of it as he can. He also buys those music encyclopedia books with artists, albums, and a ranking structure (4 stars, 5 stars, whatever), and will try to get ahold of all the top ranked stuff. I enjoy telling him how irrelevant I think it all is.

I was in high school when Nirvana broke. Personally I like a few Nirvana songs, but I do think they were overrated. I think I was the only person in my group of friends that didn't buy Nevermind or Ten. Definitely influential, I'll give em that.

What does bother me is that Sgt. Pepper's is on there. WTF?

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » October 10, 2005, 2:07 pm

I don't like the fact that they rate the most overrated albums of all time but its an english biased point of view. Of course music is all about opinions but still I don't get them putting half the records on there that they did. For example they rate the queen is dead up there...I am willing to bet 80% + of America would have no clue who The Smiths are.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 10, 2005, 2:08 pm

Momopi wrote:Because if you look at all the music leading up through 1990 into 1991, it was mostly fluff music and top 40 such as tiffany, rick astley, poison etc.
Once Nirvana hit the airwaves you might notice all that other stuff pretty much stopped all together. They paved the way for record companies to take chances on bands like Alice in chains and Pearl Jam. This new sound was what teens and 20's kids have been looking for to embrace, with the "i don't care attitude" type of music with high energy. In a lot of cases it totally reshaped the way kids thought at the time. Even today you can see there is still a lot of influence from nirvana on todays music. If you like Nirvana or not its irrelevant but the fact remains that Nevermind is by far one of the most influencial albums of our generation.

Alice in Chains - Facelift release date - 8/1990
Pearl Jam - Ten release date - 8/1991

Nirvana - Nevermind release date - 10/1991

So record companies took chances on those bands by releasing their albums before Nevermind? Isn't that a curiosity.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » October 10, 2005, 2:19 pm

Momopi wrote:Because if you look at all the music leading up through 1990 into 1991, it was mostly fluff music and top 40 such as tiffany, rick astley, poison etc.
Once Nirvana hit the airwaves you might notice all that other stuff pretty much stopped all together. They paved the way for record companies to take chances on bands like Alice in chains and Pearl Jam. This new sound was what teens and 20's kids have been looking for to embrace, with the "i don't care attitude" type of music with high energy. In a lot of cases it totally reshaped the way kids thought at the time. Even today you can see there is still a lot of influence from nirvana on todays music. If you like Nirvana or not its irrelevant but the fact remains that Nevermind is by far one of the most influencial albums of our generation.

record labels were already taking chances. the road was already being paved.

Facelift - Original Release Date: August 28, 1990 (Alice in Chains)

Ten - Original Release Date: August 27, 1991 (Pearl Jam)

Nevermind - Original Release Date: September 24, 1991 (Nirvana)

Badmotorfinger - Originial Release Date: October 8, 1991 (Soundgarden)

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » October 10, 2005, 2:26 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Momopi wrote:Because if you look at all the music leading up through 1990 into 1991, it was mostly fluff music and top 40 such as tiffany, rick astley, poison etc.
Once Nirvana hit the airwaves you might notice all that other stuff pretty much stopped all together. They paved the way for record companies to take chances on bands like Alice in chains and Pearl Jam. This new sound was what teens and 20's kids have been looking for to embrace, with the "i don't care attitude" type of music with high energy. In a lot of cases it totally reshaped the way kids thought at the time. Even today you can see there is still a lot of influence from nirvana on todays music. If you like Nirvana or not its irrelevant but the fact remains that Nevermind is by far one of the most influencial albums of our generation.
Alice in Chains - Facelift release date - 8/1990
Pearl Jam - Ten release date - 8/1991

Nirvana - Nevermind release date - 10/1991

So record companies took chances on those bands by releasing their albums before Nevermind? Isn't that a curiosity.

Just telling you what the ramifications of Nevermind and what it did for the music industry and how record companies viewed this new type of music. You can remain stubborn and keep the blinders on if you wish, but its a sad thing when you have to make an argument just for the sake of arguing

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 10, 2005, 2:48 pm

Momopi wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
Momopi wrote:Because if you look at all the music leading up through 1990 into 1991, it was mostly fluff music and top 40 such as tiffany, rick astley, poison etc.
Once Nirvana hit the airwaves you might notice all that other stuff pretty much stopped all together. They paved the way for record companies to take chances on bands like Alice in chains and Pearl Jam. This new sound was what teens and 20's kids have been looking for to embrace, with the "i don't care attitude" type of music with high energy. In a lot of cases it totally reshaped the way kids thought at the time. Even today you can see there is still a lot of influence from nirvana on todays music. If you like Nirvana or not its irrelevant but the fact remains that Nevermind is by far one of the most influencial albums of our generation.
Alice in Chains - Facelift release date - 8/1990
Pearl Jam - Ten release date - 8/1991

Nirvana - Nevermind release date - 10/1991

So record companies took chances on those bands by releasing their albums before Nevermind? Isn't that a curiosity.
Just telling you what the ramifications of Nevermind and what it did for the music industry and how record companies viewed this new type of music. You can remain stubborn and keep the blinders on if you wish, but its a sad thing when you have to make an argument just for the sake of arguing

Sure. Take the cop out of you want. That doesn't matter to me. How am I being stubborn by proving your statement totally incorrect? And your response is that I am arguing just to argue? That's priceless.

I get that you like the album Nevermind. I get that other people like it. I just don't buy that it "change(d) the face of music for a generation" and you haven't shown me anything to back that grandiose statement.

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » October 10, 2005, 3:13 pm

Aslanna wrote: Sure. Take the cop out of you want. That doesn't matter to me. How am I being stubborn by proving your statement totally incorrect? And your response is that I am arguing just to argue? That's priceless.

I get that you like the album Nevermind. I get that other people like it. I just don't buy that it "change(d) the face of music for a generation" and you haven't shown me anything to back that grandiose statement.

It doesn't matter if I liked Nevermind or anyone else liked it. The fact remains that it was one of the most influencial albums of our time. What would it take for you to be satisfied that it had huge effects modern day music? How would you describe what effects Led Zepplin or Elvis had on music? You haven't proved anything but putting dates on those pearl jam and alice cds, considering Nirvana had an album out before Nevermind. If not for the success of Nevermind and america putting them in the fore front, I don't think Ten and other albums would have done as well.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 10, 2005, 3:28 pm

Momopi wrote:
Aslanna wrote: Sure. Take the cop out of you want. That doesn't matter to me. How am I being stubborn by proving your statement totally incorrect? And your response is that I am arguing just to argue? That's priceless.

I get that you like the album Nevermind. I get that other people like it. I just don't buy that it "change(d) the face of music for a generation" and you haven't shown me anything to back that grandiose statement.
It doesn't matter if I liked Nevermind or anyone else liked it. The fact remains that it was one of the most influencial albums of our time. What would it take for you to be satisfied that it had huge effects modern day music? How would you describe what effects Led Zepplin or Elvis had on music? You haven't proved anything but putting dates on those pearl jam and alice cds, considering Nirvana had an album out before Nevermind. If not for the success of Nevermind and america putting them in the fore front, I don't think Ten and other albums would have done as well.

Surprised it took you this long to pull the 'Bleach' card. How exactly is that relevant to this thread? Oh yeah it isn't. We're talking specifically about Nevermind and whether or not it is an overrated album. We're not talking about their album before it (which wasn't all that great), Elvis, or even Led Zeppelin. Please stay focused here.

Anyway, now you go from stating that due to Nevermind albums that actually came out before it was released were given a chance by record companies to now stating that those albums wouldn't have been as successful if it hadn't been for Nevermind. Please find a position and stick with it.

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » October 10, 2005, 4:10 pm

Nevermind isnt an overrated album due to the fact is was so influential. I'm trying to explain that in different ways but you are having none of it. Instead of just looking for flaws in what I'm saying, just try and understand what I'm trying explain to you. Just because you didn't notice any difference in the way music changed after Nevermind doesn't mean nothing happened. Its hard to explain in words how it changed the way music was for our generation and by giving you the examples of Led Zepplin and Elvis, you might get the general idea of what I mean by my previous statements.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 10, 2005, 4:34 pm

Momopi wrote:Nevermind isnt an overrated album due to the fact is was so influential. I'm trying to explain that in different ways but you are having none of it.

Yeah, because the one main way that you've explained it so far had a faulty premise.

Momopi wrote:They paved the way for record companies to take chances on bands like Alice in chains and Pearl Jam.

That would be influential in some ways if true. But those bands already had albums out before Nevermind. I fail to see any influence from Nevermind on that. So why exactly was it so influential?

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » October 10, 2005, 4:50 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Momopi wrote:Nevermind isnt an overrated album due to the fact is was so influential. I'm trying to explain that in different ways but you are having none of it.
Yeah, because the one main way that you've explained it so far had a faulty premise.

Momopi wrote:They paved the way for record companies to take chances on bands like Alice in chains and Pearl Jam.
That would be influential in some ways if true. But those bands already had albums out before Nevermind. I fail to see any influence from Nevermind on that. So why exactly was it so influential?

You honestly fail to see that Nevermind had any influence on anything?