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Why Microsoft chose HD-DVD over Blu-Ray

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I found this article very informative.

The most interesting thing about HD-DVD is it's ability to perform in hybrid mode. The ability to place standard DVD on one side of the DVD and HD material on the otherside will really speed things up in its adoption as companies won't have to make two separate disks.
Inside Microsoft's decision to back HD DVD
By Ken "Caesar" Fisher

Wednesday, September 28, 2005

Few were surprised when Microsoft (along with Intel) announced that they would back HD DVD over Blu-ray. While Microsoft's stance on the next-generation of optical storage media was officially neutral, their close working relationship with Toshiba led us to suspect that HD DVD would get the nod. The interesting question is, why?

It has been said that Microsoft simply wouldn't back something put out by Sony, but that argument doesn't have traction. First, Microsoft's VC-1 video codec is supported by both Blu-ray and HD DVD; there's no strategic edge there to speak of. Additionally, over-emphasizing the competition between the PlayStation and the Xbox ignores the fact that Sony and Microsoft have a substantial working relationship. Witness Sony's line of Vaio computers, as well as Sony's Microsoft-DRM-backed music store.

The decision to back HD DVD stems not from a dislike of Sony, but from the assessment of the maturity and consumer-friendliness of HD DVD. No, seriously.

Managed Copy: what is it, and what it isn't

First, a little Realpolitik. We all know about CSS, the encryption scheme used to "protect" DVDs from unauthorized copying. It was cracked (famously), and both Blu-ray and HD DVD are designed to be much, much harder to circumvent. While calling anything crack-proof is pretty foolish, phenomena such as the iTunes Music Store demonstrate quite clearly that many people are comfortable with DRM if it allows for some flexibility. That is, DRM isn't going anywhere, and even the most pointy-haired geek should see that.

Making copies of a DVD is technically illegal in the United States, because circumventing access controls is forbidden by the US Code, except in rare instances. The problem with this, of course, is that it violates our Fair Use rights as citizens, and it punishes those of us who abide by the rules, while the real pirates (organized crime) go on largely unabated.

Microsoft, among others, wants to see this changed.

Currently, HD DVD is the only next-gen format to provide for the ability to legally make copies of optical content. Dubbed "Managed Copy," HD DVD implements part of the AACS control mechanism to allow for things such as putting digital copies of a disc on a hard drive, transferring a movie (legally) to a portable player, or streaming content on a home network. Furthermore, HD DVD makes Managed Copy mandatory: all content provided on HD DVD must give users the option of making at least one copy. Jordi Ribas, director of technical strategy for the Windows Digital Media Division, told me that while the feature is mandatory, the studios will have the option of charging for it. Ribas hopes that studios will allow at least a single copy "for free," but it may be market conditions that ultimately determine the cost of such features. The take-away, at least, is that studios have to offer something, and AACS is structured in such a way that the studios can tap into it to offer users more options.

Furthermore, because Managed Copy is part of the AACS specification, this isn't a feature exclusive to Microsoft or Intel solutions. While both companies believe that their respective products (Media Center Edition, and Viiv, respectively) will shine in a world were Managed Copy is available, AACS defines a set of requirements that technically any company could aspire to, be it Apple, Motorola, or another player in the game.

What about Blu-ray? Currently, Blu-ray has announced no such mandatory support. There are also plenty of questions about whether or not Blu-ray will entertain this option. The Blu-ray Disc Association so far has adopted AACS conditionally; it is still subject to review. Furthermore, Blu-ray to date has adopted content protections above and beyond AACS, adding BD+ and ROM-Mark to their arsenal. Such added protections appear to be part of an appeasement plan: the studios want more than AACS protection, at least least some of them do. The doors haven't closed on Managed Copy for Blu-ray, but Ribas suspects that if it does show, it may be completely optional, to the extent that content producers may simply not offer it at all. It also remains unclear as to how BD+'s unique compliance rules could be made to work with AACS's managed copy scheme. In general, Ribas' view is that the BDA is uncommitted to Managed Copy. I expect to talk to someone in the BDA in the next few days.

Hybrid mode: drop-in upgrade?

Ribas also emphasized that HD DVD's hybrid support was ideal for consumers. As I noted yesterday, the idea is simple: if HD DVD discs can play standard definition content in already-existing DVD players, then the entire industry could theoretically switch to HD DVD printing quickly, and kill two birds with one stone. As you may know, a DVD is comprised of two discs that when bonded together are 1.2mm thick. Toshiba's current plan is to put SD content on one side of the disc, and HD content on the other side. In theory, this eliminates problems with older DVD players having difficulties focusing on dual-layer content on one side of the disc. With the costs of converting existing DVD production lines to HD DVD lines being significantly cheaper than supporting Blu-ray, HD DVD proponents see HD DVD as being a no-brainer. The "future proofing" of the format means everyone goes home happy, including consumers who buy DVDs next year that will play back in HD whenever they get around to upgrading their players two years from now.

Finally, Ribbas said that Microsoft's decision was made with respects to where things are today, not where the respective formats' proponents claim they will be in several months. Today, Ribbas says, HD DVD has bigger capacity, and true hybrid support. In his view, HD DVD is at 30GB, while Blu-ray is at 25GB. On paper, Blu-ray has 50GB support, but outside of a lab context, the 50GB disc is missing in action. How feasible is a 50GB disc in the short term? Once Blu-ray devices ship (such as the PS3), the base configuration will be established. If 50GB disc support isn't nailed by then, then Blu-ray on the consumer player-level will weigh in at 25GB. Toshiba is now pointing to 30GB as the standard HD DVD disc size, and they claim to have perfected the manufacturing process already. So we can expect 30GB HD DVD support at launch. Additionally, HD DVD supports hybrid discs now, while Blu-ray's solution has yet to be demonstrated.

Despite all of this, Ribas indicated that Microsoft was still holding out hope for a universal standard, but such a standard would necessarily need to support things such as Managed Copy and hybrid support.

One thing is clear to me now: HD DVD looked down and out, but it now looks quite promising. The question now is how will the studios react? Is it too little, too late?
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Well, given the way things went down with Beta and VHS, we can expect Blu-Ray to triumph despite delivering less features to the comsumer. :razz:
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i know Beta is a punchline, but it is a huge profit center to Sony still today. For instance, i know a guy in my group is buying a DigiBeta deck sometime soon. For a cool $43,000. that's obviously a professional edit station, but the format is alive and well, and in fact the television industry leader (Beta-SP probably the #2 format, and Sony owns that too).

as for the HD-DVD news, that sounds good to me as a consumer. both the hybrid and copying standpoints.
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I helped a friend last month to setup his PC because he has like 900Beta tapes and wanted to convert them to avi's. When I asked why he wanted to now, he joked that it was so he could back the DVD loser too.
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A lot of movie studios have been defecting to Blu-Ray because they have more anti-piracy stuff.
I think the anti-piracy for Blu-Ray is too invasive and the general public won't go for it. In order to play Blu-Ray you will have to buy a new $1,000 DVD player, and a new T. V. (current HD TV's won't support Blu-Ray). And all your old DVD's won't work on this new DVD player and won't be anamorphic when played on this new T. V.

In addition to all of that, instead of all players having one encription code, they will make small batches of players each with different codes. Your new Blu-Ray DVD player will be connected to a main network, which will check to see if you have 'hacked' the player and cracked the encription code everytime you play a DVD. Anytime someone has cracked an encription code, not only will that player shut down - but every player with the same code will as well.

You will then have to take it to an electronics repair store to replace a chip in the player. And no one has decided who is going to foot the bill for that (probably the consumers)
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and as far as the Beta tape stuff, it is widely used as a professional format, so it really just failed as a consumer product. But sony is no doubt still making a fortune off it.
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masteen wrote:Well, given the way things went down with Beta and VHS, we can expect Blu-Ray to triumph despite delivering less features to the comsumer. :razz:
Why, that wasn't what happened with Beta and VHS. There were different features of both that their proponents liked. It is not at all unreasonable that, for the average consumer, the longer recording time of VHS was a feature that more consumers favored over the supposed advantages of Beta (especially back when blank tapes were still pretty pricey).
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Several manufacturers already have plans to produce dual HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players so in the end it probably won't be that big a deal if the format war goes on awhile. Just like +R,-R DVD combo recordable drives are now common, I think the industry will combine Blu-Ray and HD-DVD formats into one player a little faster this time.

The huge edge goes to HD-DVD if they can record standard DVD on one side and HD-DVD on the other. Consumers will love that.

I need to go back and read up on it, but I don't like the idea of current HDTV's not being able to play a new HD format. That's borderline retarded of whichever format that's requiring HDTVs not even out yet to watch them.
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I think thats great news. The "drop in" feature kinda confuses me though. Does that mean that any newer DVD player will be able to play HD DVD's? That would mean that the Xbox 360 would NOT need to be upgraded at all to play HD DVD games, which is AWESOME.

Hope we can get more info about Blu-Ray though. On paper it does seem like the superior product, but as this article shows it dosent seem to be as consumer friendly as the HD-DVD.
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These need to come down in a price a bit but I'm looking forward to the 1TB Holo storage disks!
Japanese Optware announced that the first generation of its Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD) will be available in the U.S market next summer.

The company announced today the establishment of the OPTWARE Corporation of America Inc., a new company based in the US, that will help the promotion of the next generation mass storage system.

Optware America will focus on the introduction of the new HVD products to the US enterprise market. Broadcast and medical industry as well as government organizations will be the potential customers of the new company.

Toshiba, Panasonic, Fuji Photo Film, and Intel have already invested on the development of the HVD technology. The cash will enable Yokohama-based Optoware to finish development of its HVD (Holographic Versatile Disc) technology that enables DVD-sized discs to store up to 1T byte of data (1Gbit/sec data transfer).

The HVD player/recorder machines as well as the first-generation writeable discs that can store 200G bytes will go on sale from next June for the enterprise storage market, and HVD players accompanied by 100G-byte read-only HVD discs should be available for the consumer market in 2008. The new 200GB HVD media will be available for around US $80-100. Moreover, the first HVD drives will be priced at US $30000.

Optware also plans to develop credit card-sized devices that store 30G bytes of data and memory-card sized devices that store 5G bytes. One of or both of these products could be on the market in early 2007. Optoware also has established a new company based in the US, in order to offer marketing and technical support for the upcoming HVC (Holographic Versatile Cards) products.

Both "HVD" and "HVC" technologies have been proposed to the Ecma International group for standardization.

Optware's main competitor, InPhase Technology, has already showcased a prototype of a commercial holographic storage device at the NAB show last April. The InPhase Tapestry drives will have capacities that range to 1.6 terabytes (TB) on a single disk. Hitachi Maxell announced that it will soon start producing these 130 mm discs aimed at the InPhase systems. Hitachi has made an investment toward InPhase's development of its patented Tapestry holographic media.
Bill Gates said recently that the HD/Blu Ray formats will be the last of their kind and that future media will be distributed through the internet or in pocket sized format...probably something like the above credit card sized 30GB holo format.

I wouldn't mind seeing a > $100.00 spindle of (qty 100) 1TB holo disks!
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