IMSAO there is more than enough blame to go around except maybe to Canadians. The Canadians actually responded faster than most Americans.
Among the most disheartening aspects of the entire Katrina disaster to me is the lack of integrity exhibited by the American media. None of their murder/rape/mayhem stories have been validated by a single documented case. (I realize that facts are still coming to light but some of the most flaming stories such as rape in the Superdome have not seen a single credible piece of evidence thus far.) Check out Hugh Hewittfor details.
This is the end of George Bush's presidency: By constitutional decree, he may only serve two terms. That's a totally irrelevant statement.
Does your last paragraph indicate that you believe that the media invented (or exaggerated) the stories of murder and rape in order to harm the republican party and GWB in particular?
Honestly, enough shit is sticking to Bush without trying to fling this one at him. It was a massive failure on all levels, and one that experts have been predicting since long before Dopey the dwarf took office. When all levels of government spend days just staring at each other waiting to see if anyone will take charge, you have bumbling that extends well beyond the White House, or even Washington.
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all. - Douglas Adams
Sueven wrote:Does your last paragraph indicate that you believe that the media invented (or exaggerated) the stories of murder and rape in order to harm the republican party and GWB in particular?
No, this is a natural evolution of what modern Western society is asking of their news journalists. Facts have lost their importance. The people have spoken and they want their news the same way they get Oprah and Jerry Springer, etc., etc.
Niffoni wrote:When all levels of government spend days just staring at each other waiting to see if anyone will take charge, you have bumbling that extends well beyond the White House, or even Washington.
The White House (the president in particular) is at the top of the leadership chain. It doesn't extend beyond that.
Niffoni wrote:When all levels of government spend days just staring at each other waiting to see if anyone will take charge, you have bumbling that extends well beyond the White House, or even Washington.
The White House (the president in particular) is at the top of the leadership chain. It doesn't extend beyond that.
Technically there are several entities past the Presidency.
Metanis wrote:Technically there are several entities past the Presidency.
1) God
2) We The People
George Bush's next Metanis inspired speech:
At first I was waiting for God to take care of everything, then I was waiting for the people to take care of themselves. When that didn't happen I gave God a few extra days to kill off as many sinners as possible, and now I guess I'm going to have to go in and respond.
Oh, my God; I care so little, I almost passed out.
Niffoni wrote:When all levels of government spend days just staring at each other waiting to see if anyone will take charge, you have bumbling that extends well beyond the White House, or even Washington.
The White House (the president in particular) is at the top of the leadership chain. It doesn't extend beyond that.
Actually we have three branches of government that are supposed to act as checks and balances on each other. Furthermore the federal government is supposed to be one of limited enumerated powers as laid out in the constitution and other powers supposedly "are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. " Or at least that is the way it is supposed to work.
Not that I don't think that Bush doesn't deserve his share of blame in this, but I think there are quite a few others also deserving of criticism.
The majority of blame I lay on Bush is the fact that he appointed someone who had no disaster relief management as the head of FEMA.
I'm all for helping out your buddies and stuff, but the importance of that position should command that you at least appoint somebody who knows what they are doing.
"Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings." - John F Kennedy
Xouqoa wrote:The majority of blame I lay on Bush is the fact that he appointed someone who had no disaster relief management as the head of FEMA.
I'm all for helping out your buddies and stuff, but the importance of that position should command that you at least appoint somebody who knows what they are doing.
Well you have to see it his way; he doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing as president but he has a VP, aides, and a massive bureaucracy to do all the real work while he just gets to act as God's will made flesh on earth occasionally. How did he, hell how could he, know that Brownie needed to actually know anything?
May 2003 - "Mission Accomplished"
June 2005 - "The mission isn't easy, and it will not be accomplished overnight"
-- G W Bush, freelance writer for The Daily Show.
Metanis wrote:Technically there are several entities past the Presidency.
1) God
2) We The People
George Bush's next Metanis inspired speech:
At first I was waiting for God to take care of everything, then I was waiting for the people to take care of themselves. When that didn't happen I gave God a few extra days to kill off as many sinners as possible, and now I guess I'm going to have to go in and respond.
Xouqoa wrote:The majority of blame I lay on Bush is the fact that he appointed someone who had no disaster relief management as the head of FEMA.
I'm all for helping out your buddies and stuff, but the importance of that position should command that you at least appoint somebody who knows what they are doing.
Well you have to see it his way; he doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing as president but he has a VP, aides, and a massive bureaucracy to do all the real work while he just gets to act as God's will made flesh on earth occasionally. How did he, hell how could he, know that Brownie needed to actually know anything?
"There is at least as much need to curb the cruel greed and arrogance of part of the world of capital, to curb the cruel greed and violence of part of the world of labor, as to check a cruel and unhealthy militarism in international relationships." -Theodore Roosevelt
It's funny to see people insulting the federal government and saying that this has been known to be coming by experts for years, but I don't hear anyone mentioning the fact that at least once there was money granted to LA by the government to improve the levies, and they chose to spend it elsewhere.
Funkmasterr wrote:It's funny to see people insulting the federal government and saying that this has been known to be coming by experts for years, but I don't hear anyone mentioning the fact that at least once there was money granted to LA by the government to improve the levies, and they chose to spend it elsewhere.
Even if true (and it probably is but I don't follow New Orleans politics) try to separate the prevention aspect from the response aspect. Regardless of how preventable it may have been the Federal response should have been there like it was for the 4 hurricanes last year (which oddly enough was an election year...) in Florida and not the bungled clusterfuck we saw displayed a couple weeks ago.
