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The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam & The Crusades

I debated on which forum to post this in, and decided it would rouse up more conversation here.

I have gotten about halfway through the book so far, and am amazed to learn some of the things about the culture and history behind it that I never knew. It's absolutely sickening to hear some of it though. I would suggest it, especially as an eye opener to some people.
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This dude has been a right wing-nut for a long time, writing for christian newspapers till 9/11 then saw a chance to make a fortune... and has. This is a guy who claims to have "studied" Islam for years, funny before 9/11 he mentioned these studies ZERO times, who actually BELEIVES the Crusades were a defensive struggle... for europeans!?! GoGo wingnuts of the world spreading and spewing hatred, lies and lame ass theories based in fantasy.

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Islam itself is an incomplete, misleading, and often downright false revelation which, in many ways, directly contradicts what God has revealed through the prophets of the Old Testament and through His Son Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh. For several reasons (which many in the West have tried to ignore or explain away), Islam constitutes a threat to the world at large. Despite having agreement with Christianity on some fundamental beliefs, Islam's theology and its aggresive growth are not benign realities. Indeed, Christians ignore them at their own risk.
Catholics need an understanding of this mysterious faith so that they will be better prepared in this age of dialogue to counter its challenges to Christianity, and to be more effective witnesses to the Gospel.
In most of the answers, the authors have provided the reader with an explanation of Catholic teaching on the topic at hand, so as to illustrate more clearly the deficiencies of many Islamic beliefs and at the same time to help you more fully grasp your Catholic faith.
I read widely in Muslim sources for two decades, and so was not surprised on September 11, 2001, when radical Islam brought death and ruin to our shores
It is our sincere hope and prayer that you may experience the same intellectual and spiritual awakening Daniel and I experienced in our critical study of Islam, and that you may become a confident witness for our Savior Jesus Christ to those who embrace this challenging faith.
Those are all from another one of his books. I clicked on his name at amazon.com just to see what else he'd written, and after seeing the titles, it was pretty obvious that this guy isn't objective at all. After looking at some of the shit in the books, I'd be comfortable labeling this guy a fucking wacko. It looks like he just skimmed through the Qur'an and picked out all the violent and archaic Old Testament style shit to shock and awe uninformed readers. I'm sure there's books out there that do the same thing to christians and jews, whites, blacks, asians and latinos.

With the agenda/baggage that this guy seems to have, I doubt I could take anything he says seriously.
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I'm all for exploiting stupid people for their money, so I support this gentleman 100%
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Just out of curiousity, did he remember to mention that most of the people killed in the crusades were fellow christians while the ragtag army killed and plundered its way across europe on the way to the battle?
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oh look, another newsmax.com alumni with a anti islam book "full of insight and quotes from experts and learned ex-muslims" delivered with all the aplomb and integrity of a Chick Tract.

a racist and his money are soon parted.
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Hesten wrote:Just out of curiousity, did he remember to mention that most of the people killed in the crusades were fellow christians while the ragtag army killed and plundered its way across europe on the way to the battle?
Percentage wise they killed more jews, but in raw numbers and counting their own casaulties they kill more Christians. They tended to fall apart in Turkey/Greece and slaughter each other.

This writer is a moron, I would rather live with Kyoukan than meet him.
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Kylere wrote: This writer is a moron, I would rather live with Kyoukan than meet him.
Now that would be great reality TV. :twisted:
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heh if i were to read a book like that i would just tend to get pissed off, right now there are so many REAL objective books and documentarys of modern islamic culture that someone doesnt need to waste there time reading that shit (unless they want to learn of the perspectives of far right fascist christian fundamentalist)
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Well, considering that most of the book is direct quotes from the quran (sp?) It can't be too much of a extremist twist like you are all saying. Muhammed was insane. People believing anything he said and actually following him would be like charles manson creating a religion and half the world following it

How about this
Right out of their "holy" book. Any muslim that comes across a non believer of their make believe god is to offer them a chance to convert, pay a non muslim poll tax (LOL) or be killed.

As far as I am concerned that is a basic fundement of their religion and therefore anyone following that religion is a threat to the majority of this country and shouldnt be here.

Keep on being accepting, thinking everybody has good in them and deserves to be treated great and see where it gets you. Seriously, fucking libs make me sick, hopefully when you die- heaven (which doesn't exist if you ask me) is as perfect as a place as you expect earth to be.
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Funkmasterr wrote:Well, considering that most of the book is direct quotes from the quran (sp?) It can't be too much of a extremist twist like you are all saying. Muhammed was insane. People believing anything he said and actually following him would be like charles manson creating a religion and half the world following it

How about this
Right out of their "holy" book. Any muslim that comes across a non believer of their make believe god is to offer them a chance to convert, pay a non muslim poll tax (LOL) or be killed.

As far as I am concerned that is a basic fundement of their religion and therefore anyone following that religion is a threat to the majority of this country and shouldnt be here.

Keep on being accepting, thinking everybody has good in them and deserves to be treated great and see where it gets you. Seriously, fucking libs make me sick, hopefully when you die- heaven (which doesn't exist if you ask me) is as perfect as a place as you expect earth to be.
Want me to start quoteing the old testament... the gore in that book exceeds most of the other books combined...


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Funkmasterr wrote:Well, considering that most of the book is direct quotes from the quran (sp?) It can't be too much of a extremist twist like you are all saying. Muhammed was insane. People believing anything he said and actually following him would be like charles manson creating a religion and half the world following it

How about this
Right out of their "holy" book. Any muslim that comes across a non believer of their make believe god is to offer them a chance to convert, pay a non muslim poll tax (LOL) or be killed.

As far as I am concerned that is a basic fundement of their religion and therefore anyone following that religion is a threat to the majority of this country and shouldnt be here.

Keep on being accepting, thinking everybody has good in them and deserves to be treated great and see where it gets you. Seriously, fucking libs make me sick, hopefully when you die- heaven (which doesn't exist if you ask me) is as perfect as a place as you expect earth to be.
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kyoukan wrote:a racist and his money are soon parted.
Which is exactly why I support him.

After a racist spends all his McDonalds pay on hate literature, and gets himself good and riled up, he rarely has the money to buy weaponry that would make him a danger to society.

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How about this?
If a man [meets] a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her ... He must marry the girl ... He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
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If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. Leviticus 20:9
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When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. ... This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the Lord your God has commanded you. Deuteronomy 20:10-15
Right out of their "holy" book. Any muslim that comes across a non believer of their make believe god is to offer them a chance to convert, pay a non muslim poll tax (LOL) or be killed.

As far as I am concerned that is a basic fundement of their religion and therefore anyone following that religion is a threat to the majority of this country and shouldnt be here.
You're a fucking moron. What I just quoted from you is just as bad as all those retarded holy book quotes.
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Well, considering that most of the book is direct quotes from the quran (sp?) It can't be too much of a extremist twist like you are all saying.
Are you for real? I mean, are you being totally serious with this statement?
Muhammed was insane. People believing anything he said and actually following him would be like charles manson creating a religion and half the world following it
I know what you mean, I feel the same way about the Bible. Some insane people made that shit up.

Funkmaster, you cannot be this stupid. Do you honestly believe the garbage this guy writes?
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Fairweather Pure wrote:
Well, considering that most of the book is direct quotes from the quran (sp?) It can't be too much of a extremist twist like you are all saying.
Are you for real? I mean, are you being totally serious with this statement?
Muhammed was insane. People believing anything he said and actually following him would be like charles manson creating a religion and half the world following it
I know what you mean, I feel the same way about the Bible. Some insane people made that shit up.

Funkmaster, you cannot be this stupid. Do you honestly believe the garbage this guy writes?
I agree, I am actually shocked Funk is falling for what is obviously poorly written and researched drivel
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Funk, what the fuck is going on in your head?
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Funkmasterr wrote:Well, considering that most of the book is direct quotes from the quran (sp?) It can't be too much of a extremist twist like you are all saying. Muhammed was insane. People believing anything he said and actually following him would be like charles manson creating a religion and half the world following it

How about this
Right out of their "holy" book. Any muslim that comes across a non believer of their make believe god is to offer them a chance to convert, pay a non muslim poll tax (LOL) or be killed.

As far as I am concerned that is a basic fundement of their religion and therefore anyone following that religion is a threat to the majority of this country and shouldnt be here.

Keep on being accepting, thinking everybody has good in them and deserves to be treated great and see where it gets you. Seriously, fucking libs make me sick, hopefully when you die- heaven (which doesn't exist if you ask me) is as perfect as a place as you expect earth to be.
are you really that godamn ignorant?...Sure, following the teachings of mohammad makes you batshit insane but believing a that a old bearded man running down a mountain with 2 stones in his hands talked to god in some burning shrubbery is perfectly logical

im sure any islamic fundamentalist could write a book and pick out one of several thousand militant/hateful/violent verses in the old testament and make christians and jews look worse then muslims do in that book...

That and if you try to compare the militancy and violence throughout history caused by religion you will find that Christianity far surpasses any other religion that has ever existed…not that this means anything but it just disgusts me how these ignorant people try bash Islam as a whole when there religion has done far worse
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lollz Xzion is in teh KKK.
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Surprise surprise. All of Spencer's anti-muslim work is dated post 9/11.

The man has taken it upon himself to portrait over 1B people like the extremists that committed the attack.

Way to label yourself as another perpetually scared sheep Funk.
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Funkmasterr wrote:Well, considering that most of the book is direct quotes from the quran (sp?) It can't be too much of a extremist twist like you are all saying. Muhammed was insane. People believing anything he said and actually following him would be like charles manson creating a religion and half the world following it

How about this
Right out of their "holy" book.
Any muslim that comes across a non believer of their make believe god is to offer them a chance to convert, pay a non muslim poll tax (LOL) or be killed.
Ermmmm how is it that you know that to be right out of their holy book, when you don't know how to spell the name of their holy book?...:)
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I never said the old testament, or any religion was any better (so whoever it is that keeps throwing old testament verses at me can die in a car fire, thank you very much)

To be honest, I think that organized religion should be illegal. And I am not agreeing with what this guy is writing, it's just the quotes from the quaran that make me sick. And yes, I have cross referenced that these verses he has plastered through his book are actually written in the quaran, and that they are the whole verse, so as not to skew what is being said, and I have found it 100% accurate in that sense.

Not to mention it says right in their book that the only time they can lie is to deceive people who don't believe in allah. Meaning by telling us that they are peaceful and not all muslims are crazy, they are doing just as they are told in their quaran.

Oh, and btw - the whole old testament thing is not much of a worthwhile argument. The old testament was written back in the bat-shit insane days. The new testament is a lot less vicious. Tell me where the new quaran is that abridged a lot of the fucked up shit- cause I've never heard of it.
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Funkmasterr wrote:I never said the old testament, or any religion was any better (so whoever it is that keeps throwing old testament verses at me can die in a car fire, thank you very much)

To be honest, I think that organized religion should be illegal. And I am not agreeing with what this guy is writing, it's just the quotes from the quaran that make me sick. And yes, I have cross referenced that these verses he has plastered through his book are actually written in the quaran, and that they are the whole verse, so as not to skew what is being said, and I have found it 100% accurate in that sense.

Not to mention it says right in their book that the only time they can lie is to deceive people who don't believe in allah. Meaning by telling us that they are peaceful and not all muslims are crazy, they are doing just as they are told in their quaran.

Oh, and btw - the whole old testament thing is not much of a worthwhile argument. The old testament was written back in the bat-shit insane days. The new testament is a lot less vicious. Tell me where the new quaran is that abridged a lot of the fucked up shit- cause I've never heard of it.
Quit quote and paraphrasing shit you have never read...it just makes you look...*shrug*...knock yourself out chief... :lol:
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Arborealus wrote: Ermmmm how is it that you know that to be right out of their holy book, when you don't know how to spell the name of their holy book?...:)
Sorry I don't know how to spell it, I think that has little bearing on the point. If you really want I can start quoting directly out of it, however its spelled :)
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Funkmasterr wrote:
Arborealus wrote: Ermmmm how is it that you know that to be right out of their holy book, when you don't know how to spell the name of their holy book?...:)
Sorry I don't know how to spell it, I think that has little bearing on the point. If you really want I can start quoting directly out of it, however its spelled :)
Really? I think not having a copy to reference when you are "quoting" calls into question the accuracy of your quote...:)...or have you memorized it?...
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Sylvos wrote:lollz Xzion is in teh KKK.
damn dude, it seems that your entire history of posts on this board consist of posting snide little comments right after me correcting a misspelling or saying something completely irrelevant to anything...i guess go ahead, what ever makes you happy :roll:
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Actually, I have been searching for chapters and verses as I see them referenced. My reference has been this site http://etext.virginia.edu/koran.html which is, as far as I have been able to find, the most recognized english translation of the book.
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Teh sylvos has enlightened me as to some reads to check. After what I have read, then what I have read here an interest has been sparked..

I picked this book (the politically incorrect one) at my girlfriends parents house as an alternative to watching bridget jones's diary(I figured anything had to be better than that.) And now I must further indulge in this islamic nonsense !
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Xzion wrote:
Sylvos wrote:lollz Xzion is in teh KKK.
damn dude, it seems that your entire history of posts on this board consist of posting snide little comments right after me correcting a misspelling or saying something completely irrelevant to anything...i guess go ahead, what ever makes you happy :roll:

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Islam is also the only religion that encourages and supports the building of Islamic states, where all non-Muslims enjoy no rights of citizenship and extra tax burdens.

I could give 2 shits about all the other idiocies that it has in common with other (also idiotic) ancient texts. Taxation without representation (which is EXACTLY what Islamic law entails) is fucking bullshit of the highest order, and our founding fathers agree with me 100%.
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Bojangels wrote:Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites
SAVE ME JEBUS!

Seriously, which part of spitting in someone's face to escalate an argument into fisticuffs so that you can pull a handgun makes you a moderate? It might be what passes for diplomacy in the Bush whitehouse, but you're still a borderline fanatic and just as retarded as the muslims that seem to have you soiling your cottontails.
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Wow, some people are very stoopid :(
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masteen wrote:Islam is also the only religion that encourages and supports the building of Islamic states, where all non-Muslims enjoy no rights of citizenship and extra tax burdens.

I could give 2 shits about all the other idiocies that it has in common with other (also idiotic) ancient texts. Taxation without representation (which is EXACTLY what Islamic law entails) is fucking bullshit of the highest order, and our founding fathers agree with me 100%.
When I was living in the states they were taxing the ass off me, but never offered me a vote. I was tempted to picket the Bush re-election booths w/ "no taxation without representation" signs, but figured people wouldn't get it. =p
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Zaelath wrote:
Bojangels wrote:Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites
SAVE ME JEBUS!

Seriously, which part of spitting in someone's face to escalate an argument into fisticuffs so that you can pull a handgun makes you a moderate? It might be what passes for diplomacy in the Bush whitehouse, but you're still a borderline fanatic and just as retarded as the muslims that seem to have you soiling your cottontails.
I think you might be getting your insults mixed up there chief. That was me that was about , not bojangles. Anyhow, good job relating something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand to make you sound like you are so intellectually superior to me you fucking retard.
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Funkmasterr wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Bojangels wrote:Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites
SAVE ME JEBUS!

Seriously, which part of spitting in someone's face to escalate an argument into fisticuffs so that you can pull a handgun makes you a moderate? It might be what passes for diplomacy in the Bush whitehouse, but you're still a borderline fanatic and just as retarded as the muslims that seem to have you soiling your cottontails.
I think you might be getting your insults mixed up there chief. That was me that was about , not bojangles. Anyhow, good job relating something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand to make you sound like you are so intellectually superior to me you fucking retard.
I, and I think Bo, knew who we were talking about, the quote was just a funny. The second paragraph was unrelated.

It has everything to do with the topic at hand, but then I don't expect a yank to relate his own fanatic tendancies with those of someone else, even within his own community let alone another.
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well excuse me, your European excellence. I guess I should bow down to your superiority as I am obviously just another stupid yank.
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It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics. [Robert A. Heinlein, Postscript to Revolt in 2100]
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If you want to read a 'real' good book about Islam, check out The Trouble with Islam Today (Irshad Manji). It's written by an actual muslim and it's chock full of a lot of facts and valid criticisms of the religion.
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Zaelath wrote:
masteen wrote:Islam is also the only religion that encourages and supports the building of Islamic states, where all non-Muslims enjoy no rights of citizenship and extra tax burdens.

I could give 2 shits about all the other idiocies that it has in common with other (also idiotic) ancient texts. Taxation without representation (which is EXACTLY what Islamic law entails) is fucking bullshit of the highest order, and our founding fathers agree with me 100%.
When I was living in the states they were taxing the ass off me, but never offered me a vote. I was tempted to picket the Bush re-election booths w/ "no taxation without representation" signs, but figured people wouldn't get it. =p
You had the option to gain full citizenship, with all the rights and priviliges except the ability to run for President. All without having to convert to Islam. You can piss and moan about our immigration process all you want, but the fact is the options are there. Not so much in an Islamic state.
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Muhhamed was a merchant in, I want to say, the 700s/800s? It is the world's youngest mainstream religion, and it was built during a time when Muslim traders were making a killing off of the slave trade across Northern Africa. The religion itself was supposed to be a long set of guidelines for how to run markets, economies, and trade across nations. It also goes about the purpose of trying to unite these muslims who were spread across many domains and smaller kingdoms. Saudi Arabia was the first nation built out of Islam's desire for unification.

What's this got to do with anything? Not much, except that it points out a difference between the two major religions, Christianity and Islam. One was started to bring a large group together for religioius purposes, and the other (Islam) was made to unify a people for political and economical purposes. All you have to do is look at the trail across Northern Africa through to Pakistan to see where the slave trade operated, and it should come as no surprise that these were the areas where Islam flourished. These rich nations (compared to Europe at the time) provided a scape goat for the poor Europeans to say, "Look at those Muslims, they have all that wealth and power from consorting with evil forces and fake gods. The Bible says to kill false idols and their worshippers, so let's grab em. Oh, and get their money."

God Bless the Crusades. 100 years of greed spelled the beginning of our problems for the current situation.
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masteen wrote: You had the option to gain full citizenship, with all the rights and priviliges except the ability to run for President. All without having to convert to Islam. You can piss and moan about our immigration process all you want, but the fact is the options are there. Not so much in an Islamic state.
I'm sorry, what does that fucking have to do with "no taxation without representation". Certainly, after 5 years in the US you might be eligible to vote, 6 years with the paperwork one would assume.

If you think people don't have to "convert" to gain citizenship in America, go check out the hoops you have to jump through. Apart from sewing your foreskin back on, converting to Islam is less work, and has less brainwashing overtones than the "civics test".[/b]
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Wow. What a whiney little bitch you can be. So you don't like the fact that you have to know a bit about the country you want to gain citizenship in?
I personally would not go to another country (to live) unless I spoke their language and was at least loosely familiar with some of the past and laws and such they have.

If it bothers you so much you did the right thing. Hope the door didn't hit you in the ass on the way out.
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Funkmasterr wrote:Wow. What a whiney little bitch you can be. So you don't like the fact that you have to know a bit about the country you want to gain citizenship in?
I personally would not go to another country (to live) unless I spoke their language and was at least loosely familiar with some of the past and laws and such they have.

If it bothers you so much you did the right thing. Hope the door didn't hit you in the ass on the way out.
Fuck off idiot, the civics test is a joke, the majority of Americans couldn't pass it anyway, and it was a minor tangent in a post talking about how you hold "no taxation without representation" so dear, yet don't apply it yourselves.

I agree on the language thing actually, I don't much favour even being a tourist in a country where I can't speak the language let alone a resident.

I don't need your approval of my decision to leave the US either, I know where I'd rather live, and it has little to do with tax or rediculous tests.
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What's wrong with Bridget Jones's Diary?
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Aslanna wrote:What's wrong with Bridget Jones's Diary?
Thanks Aslanna, this thread did need to lighten up a bit, unlike some people on this site I can only be a vicious asshole so much before it starts to tire me.

And to answer your question, im male, and therefore it is the wrong movie for me.
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Funkmasterr wrote:
Aslanna wrote:What's wrong with Bridget Jones's Diary?
Thanks Aslanna, this thread did need to lighten up a bit, unlike some people on this site I can only be a vicious asshole so much before it starts to tire me.

And to answer your question, im male, and therefore it is the wrong movie for me.
Uh huh, I'm a vicious asshole and you're a tailgating jackass that carries concealed and attempts to taunt people into giving him an excuse to use it. *cough*
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