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I found this post inspiring...

http://www.navyseals.com/community/arti ... fm?id=7552
America's military can win wars. We've done it in the
past, and I have
absolute confidence that we'll continue to do it in
the future. We've
won fights in which we possessed overwhelming
technological superiority
(Desert Storm), as well as conflicts in which we were
the technical
underdogs (the American Revolution). We've crossed
swords with
numerically superior foes, and with militaries a
fraction of the size of
our own. We've battled on our own soil, and on the
soil of foreign
lands -- on the sea, under the sea, and in the skies.
We've even
engaged in a bit of cyber-combat, way out there on the
electronic
frontier. At one time or another, we've done battle
under just about
every circumstance imaginable, armed with everything
from muskets to
cruise missiles. And, somehow, we've managed to do it
all with the
wrong Army.

That's right, America has the wrong Army. I don't
know how it
happened, but it did. We have the wrong Army. It's
too small; it's not
deployed properly; it's inadequately trained, and it
doesn't have the
right sort of logistical support. It's a shambles. I
have no idea how
those guys even manage to fight.

Now, before my brothers and sisters of the OD green
persuasion get
their fur up, I have another revelation for you. We
also have the wrong
Navy. And if you want to get down to brass tacks,
we've got the wrong
Air Force, the wrong Marine Corps, and the wrong Coast
Guard.

Don't believe me? Pick up a newspaper or turn on your
television. In
the past week, I've watched or read at least a dozen
commentaries on the
strength, size, and deployment of our military forces.
All of our
uniform services get called on the carpet for
different reasons, but our
critics unanimously agree that we're doing pretty much
everything
wrong.

I think it's sort of a game. The critics won't tell
you what the game
is called, so I've taken the liberty of naming it
myself. I call it the
'No Right Answer' game. It's easy to play, and it
must be a lot of fun
because politicos and journalists can't stop playing
it.

I'll teach you the rules. Here's Rule #1: No matter
how the U.S.
military is organized, it's the wrong force.
Actually, that's the only
rule in this game. We don't really need any other
rules, because that
one applies in all possible situations. Allow me to
demonstrate...

If the Air Force's fighter jets are showing their age,
critics will
tell us that Air Force leaders are mismanaging their
assets, and
endangering the safety of their personnel. If the Air
Force attempts to
procure new fighter jets, they are shopping for toys
and that money
could be spent better elsewhere. Are you getting the
hang of the game
yet? It's easy; keeping old planes is the wrong
answer, but getting new
planes is also the wrong answer. There is no right
answer, not ever.
Isn't that fun?

It works everywhere. When the Army is small, it's TOO
small. Then we
start to hear phrases like 'over-extended' or 'spread
too thin,' and the
integrity of our national defense is called into
question. When the
Army is large, it's TOO large, and it's an unnecessary
drain on our
economy. Terms like 'dead weight,' and 'dead wood'
get thrown around.

I know what you're thinking. We could build a
medium-sized Army, and
everyone would be happy. Think again. A medium-sized
Army is too small
to deal with large scale conflicts, and too large to
keep military
spending properly muzzled. The naysayers will attack
any middle of the
road solution anyway, on the grounds that it lacks a
coherent strategy.
So small is wrong, large is wrong, and medium-sized is
also wrong. Now
you're starting to understand the game. Is this fun,
or what?

No branch of the military is exempt. When the Navy
builds aircraft
carriers, we are told that we really need small, fast
multipurpose
ships. When the Navy builds small, fast multi-mission
ships (aka the
Arleigh Burke class), we're told that blue water ships
are poorly suited
for littoral combat, and we really need brown water
combat ships. The
Navy's answer, the Littoral Combat, isn't even off the
drawing boards
yet, and the critics are already calling it pork
barrel politics and
questioning the need for such technology. Now I've
gone nose-to-nose
with hostiles in the littoral waters of the Persian
Gulf, and I can't
recall that pork or politics ever entered into the
conversation. In
fact, I'd have to say that the people trying to kill
me and my shipmates
were positively disinterested in the internal
wranglings of our military
procurement process. But, had they been aware of our
organizational
folly, they could have hurled a few well-timed
criticisms our way, to go
along with the mines we were trying to dodge.

The fun never stops when we play the 'No Right Answer'
game. If we
centralize our military infrastructure, the experts
tell us that we are
vulnerable to attack. We're inviting another Pearl
Harbor. If we
decentralize our infrastructure, we're sloppy and
overbuilt, and the
BRAC experts break out the calculators and start
dismantling what they
call our 'excess physical capacity.' If we leave our
infrastructure
unchanged, we are accused of becoming stagnant in a
dynamic world
environment.

Even the lessons of history are not sacrosanct. When
we learn from the
mistakes we made in past wars, we are accused of
failing to adapt to
emerging realities. When we shift our eyes toward the
future, the
critics quickly tell us that we've forgotten our
history and we are
therefore doomed to repeat it. If we somehow manage
to assimilate both
past lessons and emerging threats, we're informed that
we lack focus.

Where does it come from: This default assumption that
we are doing the
wrong thing, no matter what we happen to be doing?
How did our military
wind up in a zero-sum game? We can prevail on the
field of battle, but
we can't win a war of words where the overriding
assumption is that we
are always in the wrong.

I can't think of a single point in history where our
forces were of the
correct size, the correct composition, correctly
deployed, and
appropriately trained all at the same time. Pick a
war, any war. (For
that matter, pick any period of peace.) Then dig up as
many official and
unofficial historical documents, reports,
reconstructions, and
commentaries as you can. For every unbiased account
you uncover, you'll
find three commentaries by revisionist historians who
cannot wait to
tell you how badly the U.S. military bungled things.
To hear the
naysayers tell it, we could take lessons in
organization and leadership
from the Keystone Cops.

We really only have one defense against this sort of
mudslinging.
Success. When we fight, we win, and that's got to
count for something.
When asked to comment on Operation Desert Storm, the
U.S. Army's
Lieutenant General Tom Kelly reportedly said, "Iraq
went from the
fourth-largest army in the world, to the
second-largest army in Iraq in
100 hours." In my opinion, it's hard to argue with
that kind of success,
but critics weren't phased by it. Because no matter
how well we fought,
we did it with the wrong Army.

I'd like to close with an invitation to those
journalists, analysts,
experts, and politicians who sit up at night dreaming
up new ways to
criticize our armed forces. The next time you see a
man or woman in
uniform, stop for ten seconds and reflect upon how
much you owe that
person, and his or her fellow Sailors, Marines,
Soldiers, and Airmen.

Then say, "Thank you." I'm betting you won't even have
to explain the
reason. Our Service members are not blind or stupid.
They know what
they're risking. They know what they're sacrificing.
They've weighed
their wants, their needs, and their personal safety
against the needs of
their nation, and made the decision to serve. They
know that they
deserve our gratitude, even if they rarely receive it.

Two words -- that's all I ask. "Thank you." If that's
too hard, if you
can't bring yourself to acknowledge the dedication,
sincerity and
sacrifice of your defenders, then I have a backup plan
for you. Put on
a uniform and show us how to do it right.
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Haha some person actually spent time and effort writing that shite. :lol:
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Man what a whiner.

Not that I have anything against your armed forces other than they're "over-paid, over-sexed and over here". I think that's how the saying went in WW2 =)
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I guess the only people that can really appreciate this are the veterans from the past.

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Don't ask, don't tell.
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I would like to counterpoint my own original post.

Here is the "patriotic opposition"...

http://www.zombietime.com/breasts_not_bombs/

(Too laughable to be NWS!)
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Damn, are those the only two schools of thought? I can only be a boo-hooing apologist or a batshit fruitcake?

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Why does every single US congratulatory point have something to do with war? Fuck the stupid ass 'poets' that write this garbage. The things that make this country great aren't the people willing to die or bleed red, white and blue for this country. It's what we do as a whole. Huge scientific and technological strides, working with other countries for research on things such as medicine and how to make the longer lasting lightbulb. I am so sick of stupid fucks on this board who get these inspirational emails on why war is what makes us so fucking great. To those of you who are inspired by this rubbish, go fuck yourselves into a deep grave. The US and the people that are in it should be grateful and proud of the things we do (which is why (get this) people dislike us. is because of war) aside from war.
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bomb squad material that guy ain't.
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Eh, the rape shit is a bad taste pr0n shoot..

But seriously, career military whining about people saying the military is too small because it's spread too thin? Ummm, no, it's spread too thin because you're fighting on too many fronts at once for no justifiable reason.

If you had a real threat the military would expand rapidly to meet it, or you'd nuke the opposition.

I particularly like Winnow's highlighting of the difference between Pearl Harbor and Iraq; Japanese bomb you first it's a sneak attack, you bomb Iraq first it's "pre-emptive defense".

But I digress; people that piss on servicemen are retarded, almost as much as people that attempt to bolster support for their government by "we support our troops".
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Personally I find proper use of line wrap inspiring.
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kyoukan wrote:bomb squad material that guy ain't.
With all due respect to the soldier, the caption about defusing the bomb should have been left out as it appears he "defused" it by detonating it at point blank range.

Still, the point being, it's worth taking note of reactions to the current conflict from those that have actully been involved in protecting our country in the past. I'd expect even Canadians and Australians to respect that. It's not surprising that the first negative comments came from a deformed leprechaun, Australian, and a handful of Canadians.
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Didn't we just have this debate on Memorial Day?
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Post by Cotto »

Had this idea popping around in my head, could have been mentioned elsewhere, but i just thought I'd spitball it, see what you guys think.

All these pictures of stuff like this, is there a possibilty that they could be encouraged (I dont mean, "You boys do this, itll be a larf har har"). But think about it, the enemy shows demoralising pictures of the dead/beheaded/maimed etc. Could this not be our version of that. I believe sexual references have been used to lure various fighters into the open due to the taunts used.

'ish just a thought.
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Winnow wrote: Still, the point being, it's worth taking note of reactions to the current conflict from those that have actully been involved in protecting our country in the past. I'd expect even Canadians and Australians to respect that. It's not surprising that the first negative comments came from a deformed leprechaun, Australian, and a handful of Canadians.
Again, you're trying to confuse "supporting your troops" with supporting the conflict, and again, I respect servicemen but I don't respect proagandists. Carry on.
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Zaelath wrote:
Winnow wrote: Still, the point being, it's worth taking note of reactions to the current conflict from those that have actully been involved in protecting our country in the past. I'd expect even Canadians and Australians to respect that. It's not surprising that the first negative comments came from a deformed leprechaun, Australian, and a handful of Canadians.
Again, you're trying to confuse "supporting your troops" with supporting the conflict, and again, I respect servicemen but I don't respect proagandists. Carry on.
My original post had less to do with the conflict in Iraq and more to do with the inherently critical MSM coverage of US Armed Forces both recently and throughout our history. I detected a sort of tongue-in-cheek humor by the author which I appreciated.

If you want to tie this to the current armed conflict in Iraq I would draw your attention to the firestorm of criticism regarding Donald Rumsfeld's comment, "...you have to go to war with the Army you have...".

The MSM ignores their own duplicitious role in shaping our forces through unrelenting criticism of all things military. One more nail in the coffin...
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It's not surprising that the first negative comments came from a deformed leprechaun, Australian, and a handful of Canadians.
No, it isn't surprising at all.

Now, bonus points if you can figure out why? Minus ten points for "jealousy" btw.
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It's not surprising that the first negative comments came from a deformed leprechaun, Australian, and a handful of Canadians.


No, it isn't surprising at all.

Now, bonus points if you can figure out why? Minus ten points for "jealousy" btw.
I don't care to know why you don't find media and public opinion overally critical towards US troops. This isn't your friends/family/coworkers serving in these conflicts. I wouldn't say "jealous" as much "indifference" jackass.

This orignal post reminds me of stories you would hear from vietnam when service men would come home to boo's, and critical WW2 vets. The men and women currently serving in the armed forces get my upmost respect for serving our country.
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I don't care to know why you don't find media and public opinion overally critical towards US troops. This isn't your friends/family/coworkers serving in these conflicts. I wouldn't say "jealous" as much "indifference" jackass.
So since it is your friends/family/coworkers you should ignore it when they fuck up?
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Hey, we're the ones that didn't want that kid there to be maimed in the first place. I'm sorry if you think everyone against the war was trying to mount "operation shield the brown people". Most of them were also concerned about the casualties on the "coalition" side, as well as the casualties that eventually occured in coalition countries later on; Madrid, London. No doubt Sydney will come in time =/

Hell, I've even written to a congressman when I was a resident, so you can't even say I've done nothing but sit on a messageboard and whine about your war in Iraq.

I'm sure that maimed kid appreciates seeing all those bumper stickers and fridge magnets though.
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This isn't your friends/family/coworkers serving in these conflicts
Correct, my friends/family have more sense than to fight stupid wars for people who don't give a shit whether they live or die.

At the end of the day Sumdaor or Winnow or anyone else missing the point, your relatives may be fucking awesome people, I don't know. Don't take it personally or anything, but whether you or I care about your relatives or not is completely irrelevant to this situation.

The point is, societies with a lust for war and/or some desperate desire to show everyone how big their war penis is, waging one against someone who didn't represent a threat to the war-peen countries, whilst doing it in possibly the most retarded way since Vietnam, is absofuckinglutely gonna come in for some serious criticism by people all over the planet.

Sorry if you can't swallow that easily, that is however the reality of the situation. It isn't just as fucking simple as "OMG U HATE AMERICA AND ITS TROOPS!1" which is what you clearly want to believe.

Now quit the bullshit.
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THIS IS THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION!!!!
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Winnow wrote:With all due respect to the soldier, the caption about defusing the bomb should have been left out as it appears he "defused" it by detonating it at point blank range.

Still, the point being, it's worth taking note of reactions to the current conflict from those that have actully been involved in protecting our country in the past. I'd expect even Canadians and Australians to respect that. It's not surprising that the first negative comments came from a deformed leprechaun, Australian, and a handful of Canadians.
in past wars (excluding vietnam), the US soldiers were morally justified to fight. sure they might have sat on sidelines profitting off the conflicts, at least they fought the good fight eventually. now they are just conquering and killing to make wealthy americans even wealthier. I have zero respect for any american serving in Iraq, and frankly I enjoy watching them die.
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ENJOY watching soldiers die? What kind of monster are you?
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Well...it is good for the gene pool :D
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Yeah cause people dying is awesome.
Hope someone close to you dies so I too can laugh, cause dying is funny.
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Zaelath wrote:Man what a whiner.

Not that I have anything against your armed forces other than they're "over-paid, over-sexed and over here". I think that's how the saying went in WW2 =)
Over-paid? Hardly.

For you American Military hating Foreigners...fuck you.
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Boo fucking hoo.
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Any European who wasnt a facist who thought the American military members -who liberated their asses in WW2- were overpaid is too stupid to deserve said liberty.

and anybody who thinks US military today is overpaid is a complete moron. They are absolutely taken advantage of by the US government. For god's sake, up until this year, family death benefits for a combat soldier were $2000.

$2000 barely buys a coffin.
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.....no one is actually debating the pay rate of soldiers here.
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Hate not the soldiers, hate the leaders.
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Feel free to go test world opinion Trias if you so blindly refuse to accept any point I ever make.

I don't think anyone here with half a brain is putting more blame on the soldiers than the leaders.

Btw, certain posters have taken the easy way out by just making this about the soldiers, when the point of it is in fact that the above poem/rant is just some form of patriotic bollix spread around to make people feel good about the fact that their army and government is running around doing a shitty job in a shitty situation they themselves started.

And no, it isn't about "put yourself in their shoes" because frankly, anyone with any sense would have realised this was going to happen before it had even begun.
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No it is more about how nothing is ever good enough for the politicians and journalist when it comes to our military. Can you find any falsehood in the statements?

As for points you are trying to make. Try being straight forward instead of eluding to a point with all your hate and angst. Until you serve in your military you have no call nor clue. You are still a kid. Grow up a little.
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Nick wrote:Well...it is good for the gene pool :D
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There are fucking very good reasons for criticism in the media and the public, both nationally and worldwide, beyond some stupid assumption of "ignorance".

Saying that just because someone hasn't served in the military means they cannot form an educated or even uneducated opinion on any given matter in the world is fucking stupid.
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The American military is the only reason you fucking euro-faggots have the right to fuck each other in the ass over tea and crumpets. Your Irish potato eating ass would have gotten gassed for being born if it weren't for the jack booted thugs from the U.S. of fucking A. I wish to Christ that we develop an energy source that eliminates the need for oil and become an isolationist and pray you assholes get wiped out by the 4th reich.
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funny how you spent about 6 years profiteering off WW2 before "liberating" europe. honestly it would probably be better if you never participated at all. the allies still would have won and europe wouldnt have to put up with 60 years of americans martyrizing themselves as some great heroic nation when in reality all you did was make money off the allies until you were directly threatened.
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go back to france frenchy
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The main reason we waited so long was because we wanted the germans and the russians to bleed eachother out.
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in past wars (excluding vietnam), the US soldiers were morally justified to fight. sure they might have sat on sidelines profitting off the conflicts, at least they fought the good fight eventually. now they are just conquering and killing to make wealthy americans even wealthier. I have zero respect for any american serving in Iraq, and frankly I enjoy watching them die.
funny how you spent about 6 years profiteering off WW2 before "liberating" europe. honestly it would probably be better if you never participated at all.
The point is, societies with a lust for war and/or some desperate desire to show everyone how big their war penis is, waging one against someone who didn't represent a threat to the war-peen countries, whilst doing it in possibly the most retarded way since Vietnam, is absofuckinglutely gonna come in for some serious criticism by people all over the planet.
Seriously, do you understand anything of American history or the isolatism policy that we had in the 19th and early 20th century? It was the reason why we stayed uninvovled of most of WW1, and the first half of WW2. You can blame germany for us getting involved in the European conflict. The united states was still unclear if we where going to get involved in the European conflict untill GERMANY DECLARED WAR ON THE US. After WW2 we found our isolatism policy to be outdated and to prevent another world war we decided to take a more active role in world polices.

This policy hasn't always been our best interest, korea, vietnam, gulf war 1 (our involvement seemed to make allah wery wery angry.) This more active role in world polcies has maybe salvaged another large conflict on the scale of ww1 or 2.

Your really a sick fuck with your above comments. The fact is a very nasty dictator was taken out of power, and we tried to wipe the taliban off the face of the planet in afghanistan.

This isn't about making the rich richer, we have a long history of involvement in world politics since WW2. If you don't like it, your country should grow some balls and take over "policing the world." Your taxes can then fit the bill for all of this, and some dumbass shit head from american can get on a internet messageboard and say shit like "I enjoy watching your soldiers die."

I will pepper all this with I think what happened in Guantanamo Bay. I have some serious human rights concerns. The war in Iraqi is a situations where we had misinformation, but we still took out a man who was by all accounts a evil sick fuck.
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Canada has been sucking American cock for so long I guess they can come up for air long enough to whine a bit. Being on the same continent as the Unites States means a free ride in security so they are free to lumberjack and create huge oil fields to try and get in on some of the Middle East easy money action. You guys rock!

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Sumdaor wrote:Seriously, do you understand anything of American history or the isolatism policy that we had in the 19th and early 20th century? It was the reason why we stayed uninvovled of most of WW1, and the first half of WW2. You can blame germany for us getting involved in the European conflict. The united states was still unclear if we where going to get involved in the European conflict untill GERMANY DECLARED WAR ON THE US. After WW2 we found our isolatism policy to be outdated and to prevent another world war we decided to take a more active role in world polices.
thank you for making my point for me?

world's policeman? what a line of shit. you act to protect your own self interests while the UN selflessly sends peacekeepers into nations you havent even heard of because they don't have any resources your corporate masters can exploit and steal. you cunts haven't even paid your UN dues since the late 1980's.

winnow, you're such a bad ass with all that tough talking. but do let me know if you ever come up with anything new. maybe even just transpose a word or something just to change it up for us. christ, you're even more boring and asinine now than you were yesterday.
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Winnow wrote:Canada has been sucking American cock for so long I guess they can come up for air long enough to whine a bit. Being on the same continent as the Unites States means a free ride in security so they are free to lumberjack and create huge oil fields to try and get in on some of the Middle East easy money action. You guys rock!

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miir wrote:
Winnow wrote:Canada has been sucking American cock for so long I guess they can come up for air long enough to whine a bit. Being on the same continent as the Unites States means a free ride in security so they are free to lumberjack and create huge oil fields to try and get in on some of the Middle East easy money action. You guys rock!

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Never has a more polyglot army fought under the Stars and Stripes than did Jackson's force at the Battle of New Orleans. In addition to his regular U.S. Army units, Jackson counted on dandy New Orleans militia, a sizable contingent of black former Haitian slaves fighting as free men of color, Kentucky and Tennessee frontiersmen armed with deadly long rifles and a colorful band of Jean Lafitte's outlaws, whose men Jackson had once disdained as "hellish banditti." This hodgepodge of 4,000 soldiers, crammed behind narrow fortifications, faced more than twice their number.

Pakenham's assault was doomed from the beginning. His men made perfect targets as they marched precisely across a quarter mile of open ground. Hardened veterans of the Peninsular Campaign in Spain fell by the score, including nearly 80 percent of a splendid Scottish Highlander unit that tried to march obliquely across the American front. Both of Pakenham's senior generals were shot early in the battle, and the commander himself suffered two wounds before a shell severed an artery in his leg, killing him in minutes. His successor wisely disobeyed Pakenham's dying instructions to continue the attack and pulled the British survivors off the field. More than 2,000 British had been killed or wounded and several hundred more were captured. The American loss was eight killed and 13 wounded.

Jackson's victory had saved New Orleans, but it came after the war was over. The Treaty of Ghent, which ended the War of 1812 but resolved none of the issues that started it, had been signed in Europe weeks before the action on the Chalmette Plantation.


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thank you for making my point for me?

world's policeman? what a line of shit. you act to protect your own self interests while the UN selflessly sends peacekeepers into nations you havent even heard of because they don't have any resources your corporate masters can exploit and steal. you cunts haven't even paid your UN dues since the late 1980's.
No, you dumbass, I made the point that the US does this out of preservation of ourselves and the rest of world. The U.S got involved in smaller conflicts around the world for the large part stop another world war. We learned our lessons after the Euro's caused shit on a global scale not once but twice. Get a fucking grip you delusional ass.

Yeah the UN has done OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of great things ~chuckle~, please, its a fucking joke now. The greatest event in my life time so far has been the fall of communism. I am sure the world see's the U.N as the single greatest cause for the fall communism, and not the U.S. Oh thats right our corporate masters wanted to get involved so we could sell soda pop to the russians. What the did we stand to profit from North Korea, Vietnam, or Bosnia.
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Way to lose any credibility.

Shouldn't you be over at Rush's site instead of wasting your time here?
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I am actually democratic and voted for Kerry in the last election. But thanks for making a point!
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