Congrats to London on 2012 Olympics; have some terrorism?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 7, 2005, 7:00 am

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07 ... index.html

LONDON, England (CNN) -- A bus was ripped apart in an explosion in central London today and several blasts rocked the Tube network leaving dozens of people injured.

The Tube blasts at the height of the rush hour on Thursday were initially blamed on a power surge.

But amid the chaos eyewitnesses reported that a packed double decker bus in the Russell Square area had been severely damaged in a blast.

Union officials blamed the Tube blasts on a series of bombs, and Scotland Yard confirmed the bus explosion and said it was dealing with "multiple explosions" in London.

Neost · Post by **Neost** » July 7, 2005, 7:06 am

watching cnn now after seeing abc break in before the local morning show started. Reports of up to six explosions on buses and the tube.

Morgrym · Post by **Morgrym** » July 7, 2005, 7:16 am

Hearing 7 right now. 90 casualties reported but that is just on one train. So the number should be pushing 1k easy.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 7, 2005, 9:20 am

Nothing to do with the Olympics. One word: G8

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 7, 2005, 9:25 am

Kelshara wrote:Nothing to do with the Olympics. One word: G8

Agreed, just reminds me of the "Enjoyment should last longer" ads

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » July 7, 2005, 9:39 am

I wonder if Bush is gonna spin this as "an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us" type of deal or just let it be as a "british issue, we're too busy in Iraq.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 7, 2005, 10:00 am

Animalor wrote:I wonder if Bush is gonna spin this as "an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us" type of deal or just let it be as a "british issue, we're too busy in Iraq.

No idea, but I'll surely be interested in seeing how the British people react in general.

I'm surprised certain people here haven't yet said that this is some kind of consiracy by either American or British governments to bolster support.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 7, 2005, 10:03 am

Well it could go either way for the support. The Brits are way more used to terror than Americans are.. hell way more than pretty much anyone are. It could lead to more support or it could lead to less, Blair did not exactly have a lot of support for Iraq before this happened so will be interesting to see what happens now.

I will NOT be surprised if comments will be made to try and link this to Iraq though.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 7, 2005, 10:04 am

I think we all know France is behind this.

miir · Post by **miir** » July 7, 2005, 10:21 am

Animalor wrote:I wonder if Bush is gonna spin this as "an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us" type of deal or just let it be as a "british issue, we're too busy in Iraq.

blah blah blah TV SCREENS blah blah blah EVIL blah blah blah TERROR blah blah blah FOLKS blah blah blah EVIL blah blah blah EVIL blah blah blah TV SCREENS blah blah blah EVIL blah blah blah SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH blah blah blah EVIL blah blah blah TERROR blah blah blah......

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » July 7, 2005, 10:25 am

"We're gonna get you turrists, eh eh eh"

As stated above, these attacks had NOTHING to do with the olympics.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » July 7, 2005, 10:30 am

Kelshara wrote:Well it could go either way for the support. The Brits are way more used to terror than Americans are.. hell way more than pretty much anyone are. It could lead to more support or it could lead to less, Blair did not exactly have a lot of support for Iraq before this happened so will be interesting to see what happens now.

I will NOT be surprised if comments will be made to try and link this to Iraq though.

The terrorists have already claimed responsability for these attacks. I can't find the name of the goup quickly through news stories however they claim to be a european branch of Al-Quaida and state that the attack in London was in retaliation for British involvement in Iraq/Afghanistan.
(Heard this on the radio this morning)

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » July 7, 2005, 10:57 am

Aruman wrote:I'm surprised certain people here haven't yet said that this is some kind of consiracy by either American or British governments to bolster support.

You're a sad fucking person, Aruman. An indiscriminate attack on real people and you use it to take a cheap shot at posters that you disagree with. Real fucking class.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 7, 2005, 11:02 am

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:
Aruman wrote:I'm surprised certain people here haven't yet said that this is some kind of consiracy by either American or British governments to bolster support.
You're a sad fucking person, Aruman. An indiscriminate attack on real people and you use it to take a cheap shot at posters that you disagree with. Real fucking class.

Uh huh...

I doubt the attacks were indiscriminate at all.

I'm just saying that some people here hate Bush so much I wouldn't put it past them to insinuate a conspiracy.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » July 7, 2005, 11:03 am

well, did you truthfully expect more from a brainwashed partisan crispie?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 7, 2005, 11:04 am

Thanks for proving yet again what a waste of good air you are.

miir · Post by **miir** » July 7, 2005, 11:05 am

How would a conspiracy theory involving staged attacks in England bolster support in the US for the invasion and occupation of Iraq?

The invasion and occupation of Iraq seems to be the prime motivation for the attacks.

To any sane person, it would have the exact opposite effect of 'bolstering support'.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 7, 2005, 11:15 am

This is horrible, my heart goes out to everyone who is affected by this.

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » July 7, 2005, 11:17 am

Aruman wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:
Aruman wrote:I'm surprised certain people here haven't yet said that this is some kind of consiracy by either American or British governments to bolster support.
You're a sad fucking person, Aruman. An indiscriminate attack on real people and you use it to take a cheap shot at posters that you disagree with. Real fucking class.
Uh huh...

I doubt the attacks were indiscriminate at all.

I'm just saying that some people here hate Bush so much I wouldn't put it past them to insinuate a conspiracy.

The people killed were armed soldiers? I don't think so, the choice of target broadly wasn't indiscriminate but the methods sure as fuck was.

The one person insinuating a conspiracy here was you. Where do you get your playbook, Bill O'Reilly?

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 7, 2005, 11:19 am

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:
Aruman wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:
Aruman wrote:I'm surprised certain people here haven't yet said that this is some kind of consiracy by either American or British governments to bolster support.
You're a sad fucking person, Aruman. An indiscriminate attack on real people and you use it to take a cheap shot at posters that you disagree with. Real fucking class.
Uh huh...

I doubt the attacks were indiscriminate at all.

I'm just saying that some people here hate Bush so much I wouldn't put it past them to insinuate a conspiracy.
The people killed were armed soldiers? I don't think so, the choice of target broadly wasn't indiscriminate but the methods sure as fuck was.

The one person insinuating a conspiracy here was you. Where do you get your playbook, Bill O'Reilly?

Sorry Chuckles, I don't think it was a conspiracy so Bzzzt.

However, I'd be willing to bet the thought crossed/will cross those Anti-US/Bush people out there.

Makes me wonder why you are protesting so much

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 7, 2005, 11:29 am

I think he's actually a member of the Christian Tinfoil Hat Club.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » July 7, 2005, 11:45 am

Glad to see the partisan attacks being flung from both sides of the shitheap so early on this one.

Burke · Post by **Burke** » July 7, 2005, 11:54 am

Look, we all know Rove is behind this, so enough of this persiflage.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 7, 2005, 12:03 pm

Woah.....

Pretty shocked.

Aruman, please go and kill yourself you pathetic moron. You have managed to complete destroy any credibility you may have had so just shut the fuck up and piss off.

This is a tragedy, like Madrid, like Bali, like 9/11, indiscriminate mass murder by a vicious group of violent thugs.

They did not bother to check whether the people they killed were even for or against their cause. I already understood this about Al'Quaida but still still hits home.

To be honest, we have always seen it as a matter of when, not if, our own governments may as well have just begged to be attacked with what they get up to.

Take your ridiculous views and shove them up your asshole, we were all shocked on 9/11, this is now a few years down the line and it's people like Aruman who have got us here.

So shocked, not surprised.

(Also, these guy's timing is fucking impeccable - in a bad way)

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 7, 2005, 12:31 pm

Nick wrote:Woah.....

Pretty shocked.

Aruman, please go and kill yourself you pathetic moron. You have managed to complete destroy any credibility you may have had so just shut the fuck up and piss off.

This is a tragedy, like Madrid, like Bali, like 9/11, indiscriminate mass murder by a vicious group of violent thugs.

They did not bother to check whether the people they killed were even for or against their cause. I already understood this about Al'Quaida but still still hits home.

To be honest, we have always seen it as a matter of when, not if, our own governments may as well have just begged to be attacked with what they get up to.

Take your ridiculous views and shove them up your asshole, we were all shocked on 9/11, this is now a few years down the line and it's people like Aruman who have got us here.

So shocked, not surprised.

(Also, these guy's timing is fucking impeccable - in a bad way)

So many things I want to respond with, but out of respect for those killed/injured today in Britain, I will refrain.

However, I'll just use the ubiquitous phrase: pot calling the kettle black

Post by **Xouqoa** » July 7, 2005, 12:32 pm

The funny thing is the group claiming responsibility called it a 'military strike'. Riiiiight.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 7, 2005, 12:37 pm

Anyways, my first comment when I heard this was "how horrible". My boss, right winger, asked when the Liberals will start complaining.

You conservatives can assume all you want, I'd rather mourn the loss of lives then try to go and get the REAL people behind this.

Post by **Sylvus** » July 7, 2005, 12:39 pm

Before anyone starts being too big a douchebag, please reflect on how you felt after the 9/11 attacks and the behavior and respect you expected from people who weren't as directly affected by it. If you still feel like being an asshole, by all means, carry on. Just remember that the next time it happens here you've waived your right to be pitied.

Hopefully all of our British friends (and their peeps) from this community are safe.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 7, 2005, 12:50 pm

how about for a change, lets try to focus on productive, informative discussion rather than internet ego stroking =)

noel · Post by **noel** » July 7, 2005, 1:06 pm

I hope all possible people are as ok as possible, and get the medical attention they need in a timely manner. I also hope that the individuals behind this are identified and appropriate action is taken.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 7, 2005, 1:21 pm

Well the news here is doing nothing but report how amazing the medical response was even though eyewitnesses and people involved in the blast are giving opposing stories.

The news is actually dismissing the bombing in favour of looking at the medical reaction, I assume only to take the emphasis off the issue and find some heroes.

Which, given the circumstances, I find highly disrepectful to the people who died today (as they are not being given much relevance as of yet on the news here).

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 7, 2005, 1:25 pm

I am a bit surprised about the radio stations here in the US. I mean, the big news media is following this bigtime but I've had some problems finding much on the radio. Both driving to work today and here at work I've been surfing stations to find information and it is severely lacking.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » July 7, 2005, 1:33 pm

Ashur wrote:Glad to see the partisan attacks being flung from both sides of the shitheap so early on this one.

drolgin isn't partisan, and i'm just calling a spade a spade, or in this case a douche a douche.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » July 7, 2005, 2:30 pm

I want to echo the others that have mentioned that I hope any friends/loved ones you have over there are OK, and express my hope that the injured all fully recover. I also hope the cowards that will attack civillians in this manner are found and brought to justice.

That being said, WTF is with these people? I mean OK, the US may have seemed like a ripe and relatively untested target prior to Sept 11, but the Brits have faced this shit before and it didn't affect them: the Nazis in WW2 and IRA were 2 major groups to discover this, to their detriment. Maybe they are hoping that the resolve the UK has shown in the past is gone but its a pretty poor bet. All they did was kill some innocents (like they care) and schedule in some extra press conferences from the G8... and winning further condemnation for their "cause" from a variety of religions all over the world, whether it was an Al Quaida group or some other wingnuts.

And Aruman, you (or your guardian) really should sue the doctor who gave you the lobotomy...

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » July 7, 2005, 2:41 pm

Wulfran wrote: That being said, WTF is with these people? I mean OK, the US may have seemed like a ripe and relatively untested target prior to Sept 11, but the Brits have faced this shit before and it didn't affect them: the Nazis in WW2 and IRA were 2 major groups to discover this, to their detriment. Maybe they are hoping that the resolve the UK has shown in the past is gone but its a pretty poor bet. All they did was kill some innocents (like they care) and schedule in some extra press conferences from the G8... and winning further condemnation for their "cause" from a variety of religions all over the world, whether it was an Al Quaida group or some other wingnuts.

I would say they did more then kill some innocents, they will basically shut down a top 10 world city for a couple days, paralyze it's transit system and cost them hundreds of millions of dollars, amazing what probably 10 people can do.

To anyone with friends or family in England, or those there themselves... you are in my prayers

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 7, 2005, 2:43 pm

Wulfran wrote:I want to echo the others that have mentioned that I hope any friends/loved ones you have over there are OK, and express my hope that the injured all fully recover. I also hope the cowards that will attack civillians in this manner are found and brought to justice.

That being said, WTF is with these people? I mean OK, the US may have seemed like a ripe and relatively untested target prior to Sept 11, but the Brits have faced this shit before and it didn't affect them: the Nazis in WW2 and IRA were 2 major groups to discover this, to their detriment. Maybe they are hoping that the resolve the UK has shown in the past is gone but its a pretty poor bet. All they did was kill some innocents (like they care) and schedule in some extra press conferences from the G8... and winning further condemnation for their "cause" from a variety of religions all over the world, whether it was an Al Quaida group or some other wingnuts.

And Aruman, you (or your guardian) really should sue the doctor who gave you the lobotomy...

Yawn... anything original out there?

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » July 7, 2005, 3:03 pm

Was glad to hear no casualties in my company from this. Have a few good friends who just moved over there.

Unfortunate that there had to be any casualties.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » July 7, 2005, 3:09 pm

I like you you people can flame each other in the face of a tragedy.
High Class, I tell ya.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » July 7, 2005, 3:11 pm

I sincerely hope that the assholes that did this were not from that group of innocent people released from Gitmo.

All the terrorists can hope to achieve with attacks on innocent people is far larger military operations that are aimed at wiping them out. All that is needed to galvanize support for killing Muslims is for Muslims to attack civilians in the countries where support had started to wane.

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » July 7, 2005, 3:29 pm

Was hoping for more from the posters here, disappointing.

People died going home to their families. People who don't give a shit about Islam, Christianity, Politics or the war.

Both sides of the aisle need to STFU and get your minds right. Nobody deserved this, nobody of right a proper mind condones this and there is no lesson to be learned here other than some people care nothing about human life and western society as a whole.

If I had one wish to be granted, it would be that we find a mode of transportation other than the internal combustion engine and we lessen the need for oil.

Letting these fuckers live as if it were c. 1420 is fine with me.

If you pray, pray for the families that never had their Father/mother come home today.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » July 7, 2005, 3:30 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote: All that is needed to galvanize support for killing Muslims is for Muslims to attack civilians in the countries where support had started to wane.

Yeah! Nuke Malaysia!...I will just say again perhaps to hear myself say it...Muslim != Terrorist

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 7, 2005, 3:35 pm

And who will you attack? What country this time? War on terror is not against a country. It is not against a defined enemy. You are fighting shadows in the middle of the night.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » July 7, 2005, 3:36 pm

Sympathy for those who have lost loved ones in this attack. Though it is a thin hope, perhaps we shall be able to see these things cease to be in the future, this world deserves some peace.

miir · Post by **miir** » July 7, 2005, 4:18 pm

I sincerely hope that the assholes that did this were not from that group of innocent people released from Gitmo.

What gives your government the right to detain someone indefinately on the suspicion that they might commit a crime in the future?

All the terrorists can hope to achieve with attacks on innocent people is far larger military operations that are aimed at wiping them out. All that is needed to galvanize support for killing Muslims is for Muslims to attack civilians in the countries where support had started to wane.

That comment really illustrates how little the average american understands about what motivates these muslim terrorists.

'Military action' will never wipe out terrorists.
How can you launch 'military action' against an enemy you can't see? One that is everywhere but no place in specific?
Flushing out insurgents (or terrorists) in Iraq is not as easy as carpet bombing or using tactical nukes. The 'muslim' standing on the corner could be a suicide bomber or an american loving civilian. How do you differentiate the good muslim folks from the evil muslims?

Are you fighting a war on terror or are you on a crusade against the nation of Islam?

Nobody deserved this, nobody of right a proper mind condones this and there is no lesson to be learned here other than some people care nothing about human life and western society as a whole.

Understanding thier motives does not mean you condone their actions.

Their motives are much easier to understand than Britains motives for supporting the american invasion and occupation of Iraq.

What if by chance, one of the bombers had family that was wiped out by an errant bomb in Baghdad?
What if one of them was a law abiding citizen of middle eastern heritage that was racially profiled and accused of having terrorist ties?

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 7, 2005, 4:36 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I sincerely hope that the assholes that did this were not from that group of innocent people released from Gitmo.

I'm no terrorist, but I know that if I was stuck in a hell hole in cuba with no trial and electrodes stuck to my balls for three years, I sure as hell would contemplate blowing some shit up when I got out.

Its a shame innocent people died, but the powers that be in England have to have some realization that they are not helping curb terror attacks with their current invasion.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 7, 2005, 4:37 pm

miir wrote: What if by chance, one of the bombers had family that was wiped out by an errant bomb in Baghdad?

If it was that simple, you would be seeing Iraqi people retaliating against those people of non-Iraqi or even Iraqi nationality who have been using suicide bombing that kills more Iraqi civilians than coalition troops.

I believe all this terrorism has to do more with cultural/political differences.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 7, 2005, 4:47 pm

Sad day for the city of London. Seebs' thoughts are in the right place.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 7, 2005, 4:49 pm

Interestingly enough I just read an interview with an expert who has specialized on fanatical groups in Europe. He believes this might have been what he called "ad-hoc" terrorists without any close ties to any real organization like al Qaeda. Basically a small group of people who believe in the same thing and act on their own without guidance from a leader like bin Laden. This makes them a heck of a lot harder to track and arrest as well.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » July 7, 2005, 4:58 pm

Pherr the Dorf wrote:
Wulfran wrote: That being said, WTF is with these people? I mean OK, the US may have seemed like a ripe and relatively untested target prior to Sept 11, but the Brits have faced this shit before and it didn't affect them: the Nazis in WW2 and IRA were 2 major groups to discover this, to their detriment. Maybe they are hoping that the resolve the UK has shown in the past is gone but its a pretty poor bet. All they did was kill some innocents (like they care) and schedule in some extra press conferences from the G8... and winning further condemnation for their "cause" from a variety of religions all over the world, whether it was an Al Quaida group or some other wingnuts.
I would say they did more then kill some innocents, they will basically shut down a top 10 world city for a couple days, paralyze it's transit system and cost them hundreds of millions of dollars, amazing what probably 10 people can do.

To anyone with friends or family in England, or those there themselves... you are in my prayers

Actually, their stock market remained opened for the day and pretty much just made the commute home miserable for the survivors. The reports on the radio that were playing interviews of the witnesses were really extraordinary in that noone was frazzled sounding or overly dramatic. Even the ones that came out of the Underground breathing in smoke in a claustrophobic and helpless environment didn’t seem to pay much mind.

This is going to make commutes difficult but I don’t get the impression that that this really rattled them. I don’t think they’ll be paralyzed much at all imo. I give them great respect as well as best wishes to the unfortunate ones and their families.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 7, 2005, 5:02 pm

Brits are weird people. And way more battletested in the form of terror than the US or any other European country. They are way hardier than a lot of people give them credit for.