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Not a bad job of finishing the series out. An unenviable task for Lucas at this point because of course no matter how he twists the plot...we know where it will end. So for the most part the only thing Lucas had to hold attention was fight gags and graphical brilliance. He did a fair enough job given his position. I wasn't bored but I wasn't enthralled.
Better acting by ermmmm the guy who played Annakin. Thought Natalie Portman's performance had all the spark of a shaven yak on heroin.
The fight sequences were great for the most part. The opening sequence was easily the best part of the film imo.
Worth the money if you have followed the series, technically superb, graphically brilliant. Lackluster performances all around. Might watch the directors cut but wouldn't pay to see it twice.
Better acting by ermmmm the guy who played Annakin. Thought Natalie Portman's performance had all the spark of a shaven yak on heroin.
The fight sequences were great for the most part. The opening sequence was easily the best part of the film imo.
Worth the money if you have followed the series, technically superb, graphically brilliant. Lackluster performances all around. Might watch the directors cut but wouldn't pay to see it twice.
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[hide=My Thoughts]"I'm only fucking over everyone I know and everything I believe in to save Padme............. and eventually power." The turning point for the entire series is this movie's weakest point imo.
With Palapatine's revelation of his dark side (no pun intended), Anakin should have disregarded anything he said as lies and deceit (his Jedi training should have told him that that's how the dark side works). His whole motivation was based on the "story" of Darth Whateverhisname the Wise. I wonder if he ever considered that whole thing as fabricated.
I wish Lucas would have develed more into the method of communicating with Qui Gonn, since it was used frequently in episodes 4-6. It would have been nice to see Obi-Wan speak to him before he entered his seclusion on Tatoonie, especially since he is to spend the rest of his life watching over Luke.
The romance scenes seemed very flat to me, especially from Portman's side. The graphics and special effects completely blew everyone away, as expected. I laughed when as I watched Anakin getting fucked over by the lava, when he's crying on the surgery tables, and when he inquires about Padme to Palapatine and then cries out.
In my opinion, the best scenes were those of R2-D2. They really let him show his personality. I also liked how they showed Yoda "failing". It shows that he can still kick some serious ass, but even a little (very) old guy like him has his limits.[/hide]
With Palapatine's revelation of his dark side (no pun intended), Anakin should have disregarded anything he said as lies and deceit (his Jedi training should have told him that that's how the dark side works). His whole motivation was based on the "story" of Darth Whateverhisname the Wise. I wonder if he ever considered that whole thing as fabricated.
I wish Lucas would have develed more into the method of communicating with Qui Gonn, since it was used frequently in episodes 4-6. It would have been nice to see Obi-Wan speak to him before he entered his seclusion on Tatoonie, especially since he is to spend the rest of his life watching over Luke.
The romance scenes seemed very flat to me, especially from Portman's side. The graphics and special effects completely blew everyone away, as expected. I laughed when as I watched Anakin getting fucked over by the lava, when he's crying on the surgery tables, and when he inquires about Padme to Palapatine and then cries out.
In my opinion, the best scenes were those of R2-D2. They really let him show his personality. I also liked how they showed Yoda "failing". It shows that he can still kick some serious ass, but even a little (very) old guy like him has his limits.[/hide]
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i agree with Arb, that graphically it was shearly brilliant. To make a movie that is a quantum leap ahead of anything else you've ever seen in today's modern movie landscape is quite an achievement.
Lucas is not good at writing scripts and yeah some of the dialogue wasnt great, but it wasnt terrible.
all around the movie must have been awesome as hell. i say this because, i cant even stay awake to watch a game i'm into past 11:30 anymore, so the fact that i was engaged till around 3am in this is pretty remarkable.
[hide=spoilzers]Was Palpatine saying that he actually created Anakin Skywalker? He was telling the story of the Sith Lord who was presumably his master, and saying how that guy could manipulate the mitocholorian things to create life. And of course that was one of the corny things about the first movie was the divine/virgin birth of Anakin.
I think that is actually what he was suggesting. or at least it opens it up to the possibility that somebody else did it.
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i agree with Arb that it is pretty tough to make a movie that everybody knows how it ends. The unknown plot twists were minor. I mean you know that just about everybody dies, so it is just a matter of finding out how.
music was brilliant as always.
the opening sequence was seriously graphically beyond comparison with anything i have ever seen at all. say what you want about Lucas, but the guy absolutely refuses to let technology or lack of imagination keep from taking big steps, etc.
it was visually amazing. obviously all the visual effects oscars are done now.
i wasn't disappointed in any way.
Lucas is not good at writing scripts and yeah some of the dialogue wasnt great, but it wasnt terrible.
all around the movie must have been awesome as hell. i say this because, i cant even stay awake to watch a game i'm into past 11:30 anymore, so the fact that i was engaged till around 3am in this is pretty remarkable.
[hide=spoilzers]Was Palpatine saying that he actually created Anakin Skywalker? He was telling the story of the Sith Lord who was presumably his master, and saying how that guy could manipulate the mitocholorian things to create life. And of course that was one of the corny things about the first movie was the divine/virgin birth of Anakin.
I think that is actually what he was suggesting. or at least it opens it up to the possibility that somebody else did it.
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i agree with Arb that it is pretty tough to make a movie that everybody knows how it ends. The unknown plot twists were minor. I mean you know that just about everybody dies, so it is just a matter of finding out how.
music was brilliant as always.
the opening sequence was seriously graphically beyond comparison with anything i have ever seen at all. say what you want about Lucas, but the guy absolutely refuses to let technology or lack of imagination keep from taking big steps, etc.
it was visually amazing. obviously all the visual effects oscars are done now.
i wasn't disappointed in any way.
Graphically brilliant. Definitely.
Christianson and Portman ruined what might have been a decent script at one time. Those two on camera and "acting", if you call it that, is horrible. They were so bad, it ALMOSt ruined the whole f'en thing for me...almost.
I'm with Sarg on this one. He goes from Good to Evil in 1.25 seconds. It is hard to imagine he would fuck everyone over just for padme, and then kill her anyway (indirectly, but yeah, you know). I thought this was cheezy until I remembered, that he goes from bad to good in about 1.27 seconds in Jedi....so, tit for tat I guess.
In other words, if there had been a more solid script, with a competant actor portraying it, I think you would "buy in" to his turning a little more.
edit: Oh I do have to add, on the way out of the theatre, I heard about 1001 excuses for why "the acting wasn't terrible, it just was OK". Honestly, what works of art are you comparing this movie to, to justify its acting being OK?!?! Please, I'm a fan too, but Lucas fucked up with two casting choices in my mind, the rest worked very well.
edit #2: For all my complaints, I did still enjoy the movie. All I'm trying to say is, with two different actors, we could of had a much better movie.
Christianson and Portman ruined what might have been a decent script at one time. Those two on camera and "acting", if you call it that, is horrible. They were so bad, it ALMOSt ruined the whole f'en thing for me...almost.
I'm with Sarg on this one. He goes from Good to Evil in 1.25 seconds. It is hard to imagine he would fuck everyone over just for padme, and then kill her anyway (indirectly, but yeah, you know). I thought this was cheezy until I remembered, that he goes from bad to good in about 1.27 seconds in Jedi....so, tit for tat I guess.
In other words, if there had been a more solid script, with a competant actor portraying it, I think you would "buy in" to his turning a little more.
edit: Oh I do have to add, on the way out of the theatre, I heard about 1001 excuses for why "the acting wasn't terrible, it just was OK". Honestly, what works of art are you comparing this movie to, to justify its acting being OK?!?! Please, I'm a fan too, but Lucas fucked up with two casting choices in my mind, the rest worked very well.
edit #2: For all my complaints, I did still enjoy the movie. All I'm trying to say is, with two different actors, we could of had a much better movie.
i agree that the transition to bad was pretty rapid. i didnt buy that [hide=spoiler]he would kill those little kids. i can see him cutting Mace Windu's arm off because he wants to keep the Emperor alive at the same time as doing what is right for the Jedi[/hide].
But as far as in "Jedi" how his redemption is not so quick, that is totally appropriate. [hide=spoiler]Because he believes he killed Padme and by extension his child, he would rapidly be sympathetic to Luke[/hide]. In fact, in Empire, he doesn't kill Luke when he could have. He tries to get him to join him. In Jedi, he is visibly conflicted regarding bringing Luke to the Emperor when Luke surrenders himself.
anyway, yeah that scene could have been better, but i actually don't think the rationale to save Padme is at all implausible for influencing his actions, in my opinion.
the dialogue sucked in "Empire Stikes Back" too. I mean, look at the scene with Han arguing with Leia in the hallway before they evacuate from Hoth. "who are you calling scruffy?" come on... i say don't get hung up on that, it isnt an obstacle to the direction of the movie.
and you know what they say about the Power of the Dark Side!
Vader even explains that to Luke in Empire and Jedi, regarding how he is literally subserviant to the Emperor.
But as far as in "Jedi" how his redemption is not so quick, that is totally appropriate. [hide=spoiler]Because he believes he killed Padme and by extension his child, he would rapidly be sympathetic to Luke[/hide]. In fact, in Empire, he doesn't kill Luke when he could have. He tries to get him to join him. In Jedi, he is visibly conflicted regarding bringing Luke to the Emperor when Luke surrenders himself.
anyway, yeah that scene could have been better, but i actually don't think the rationale to save Padme is at all implausible for influencing his actions, in my opinion.
the dialogue sucked in "Empire Stikes Back" too. I mean, look at the scene with Han arguing with Leia in the hallway before they evacuate from Hoth. "who are you calling scruffy?" come on... i say don't get hung up on that, it isnt an obstacle to the direction of the movie.
and you know what they say about the Power of the Dark Side!
Vader even explains that to Luke in Empire and Jedi, regarding how he is literally subserviant to the Emperor.
[hide=My thoughts]Clearly some of you do not understand the power of the dark side of the force! If you can believe in the force enough to buy into the movies, it shouldn't be too difficult to make the leap into buying into a fairly rapid switch. He's always been angst ridden.
Personally, I thought Hayden Christianson did much better in episode III than he did in II. Anakin has always been ruled by emotions, it's what made him strong and weak. (Luke had the same problems!)
Hate Natalie Portman. Cheered at the end when she was dead. Never thought she looked better
R2-D2 kicks ass. Always been one of my favorites!
Oh and when they introduced Chewbacca, I was like fuck yeah!
Oh and little bits of continuity like James Earl Jones and that one ship. Tres cool.
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Personally, I thought Hayden Christianson did much better in episode III than he did in II. Anakin has always been ruled by emotions, it's what made him strong and weak. (Luke had the same problems!)
Hate Natalie Portman. Cheered at the end when she was dead. Never thought she looked better
R2-D2 kicks ass. Always been one of my favorites!
Oh and when they introduced Chewbacca, I was like fuck yeah!
Oh and little bits of continuity like James Earl Jones and that one ship. Tres cool.
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Oh yeah, I did forget to give R2 the mad props for his acting skills. Was by far some of the more refreshing parts of the movie, involved R2 
I try to understand the power of the darkside...it would seem that he goes so quickly to the Emporer because he is embarassed, ashamed, and in need of this "greater power" to save Padme from his vision of the future for her. It is the conflict in his character that makes Anakin so interesting. The difficult choices, the easy choices made difficult by outside influences, his internal fight to maintain his humanity via Padme... In other words, to me, he is so "easily" swayed to go darkside and stay darkside because of this big shiny image he built up for himself, and then blames himself for its destruction...so he is "hiding" in the dark side of the force, from the shame and embarassment he feels when seeing his life through the "light side"...
Atleast, that's how I see it, and that's why Anakin/Vader is such an interesting character. And that's why I complain about what would "seam" to be a quick/rapid change of heart, it cheapens his character, to me atleast.
I try to understand the power of the darkside...it would seem that he goes so quickly to the Emporer because he is embarassed, ashamed, and in need of this "greater power" to save Padme from his vision of the future for her. It is the conflict in his character that makes Anakin so interesting. The difficult choices, the easy choices made difficult by outside influences, his internal fight to maintain his humanity via Padme... In other words, to me, he is so "easily" swayed to go darkside and stay darkside because of this big shiny image he built up for himself, and then blames himself for its destruction...so he is "hiding" in the dark side of the force, from the shame and embarassment he feels when seeing his life through the "light side"...
Atleast, that's how I see it, and that's why Anakin/Vader is such an interesting character. And that's why I complain about what would "seam" to be a quick/rapid change of heart, it cheapens his character, to me atleast.
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I agree with almost all of what has been said so far. Arb Voronwe and Sirensa pretty much hit it on the head. I didn't have trouble suspending disbelief when Anakin decided to make the switch for reasons Sirensa mentioned. Overall it was good, easily the best of this trilogy, but I don't know that I'd pay to see it again.
I thought some of the scenes with spacecraft were filmed in such a way that you didn't get a feeling of speed from the moving craft. Particularly the first scene suffered from this. It's like all the ships had thrusters that were totally perfect, and all moved in exactly straight lines.
[hide=Ep4-6 related question/spoiler]Apparently on the DVDs that were released in Ep5, IG-88 (the bounty hunter/assasin droid) has been edited out and replaced with one of General Greivous' bodyguards. Can anyone confirm/deny that? Does anyone know when Lucas is going to stop changing the original series?[/hide]
[hide=Ep3 discussion spoiler]Darth Whatever may have existed, or may not have. From what I know of the Sith powers (basing it on EU), it's highly unlikey that Darth Whatever exsted, but highly unlikely that the didn't have the power do do that. Sith powers/dark force powers are almost always used to destroy, not to create. Light force powers are meant to be in harmony with life, not to interfere with it, so if the power had existed, it would be more likely to be a light force power, and less likely that a light force guy could/would use it.[/hide]
[hide=R2D2 Commentary]I agree with everyone saying R2 was badass etc. I just find it unfortunate that in Ep 4-6 he was able to have a great personality without all the bling, and in Ep 1-3, they added all these abilities that you've never seen before in Ep 4-6. When he took out the Super Battle Droids by lighting them on fire, my first thought was, "I wonder which scenes in the original movie he should have used that.[/hide]
[hide=Ep3 end of movie spoiler]Was it just me, or was Grand Moff Tarkin 100% cgi?[/hide]
Overall, good movie, but I doubt I'll see it again in the theater.
I thought some of the scenes with spacecraft were filmed in such a way that you didn't get a feeling of speed from the moving craft. Particularly the first scene suffered from this. It's like all the ships had thrusters that were totally perfect, and all moved in exactly straight lines.
[hide=Ep4-6 related question/spoiler]Apparently on the DVDs that were released in Ep5, IG-88 (the bounty hunter/assasin droid) has been edited out and replaced with one of General Greivous' bodyguards. Can anyone confirm/deny that? Does anyone know when Lucas is going to stop changing the original series?[/hide]
[hide=Ep3 discussion spoiler]Darth Whatever may have existed, or may not have. From what I know of the Sith powers (basing it on EU), it's highly unlikey that Darth Whatever exsted, but highly unlikely that the didn't have the power do do that. Sith powers/dark force powers are almost always used to destroy, not to create. Light force powers are meant to be in harmony with life, not to interfere with it, so if the power had existed, it would be more likely to be a light force power, and less likely that a light force guy could/would use it.[/hide]
[hide=R2D2 Commentary]I agree with everyone saying R2 was badass etc. I just find it unfortunate that in Ep 4-6 he was able to have a great personality without all the bling, and in Ep 1-3, they added all these abilities that you've never seen before in Ep 4-6. When he took out the Super Battle Droids by lighting them on fire, my first thought was, "I wonder which scenes in the original movie he should have used that.[/hide]
[hide=Ep3 end of movie spoiler]Was it just me, or was Grand Moff Tarkin 100% cgi?[/hide]
Overall, good movie, but I doubt I'll see it again in the theater.
Oh, my God; I care so little, I almost passed out.
Yeah same here. I don't get it.Kluden wrote:I will give the movie this: It created a huge "want" for me to watch the original trilogy again now. As if I haven't seen it enough, and that I don't know what happens, episode three makes me want to watch them through again to make sure it is still the same
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OK here is my take. As with most everyone else I thought it had it's good and bad parts. For me Anikin did much better than before... that is all I was grading him against. I've seen many other movies with Portman and think she is the coolest/hottest babe out there and I know she can act. That being the case I probably didn't pay attention to the love scenes because I was thinkin' how hot she looked with the curley hair... truly I think she is just disgusted by Christenson.
My thoughts on some of the questions...
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Darth Pagules (or whatever his name is) I think did exist. Someone had to be Sidious' mentor right? IMHO I think Sidious is the app. who killed him. However he really didn't teach him everything he knew, as he suggests, which is why he is still trying to save/create the flesh (the General then Darth Vader). It's my guess that Darth P. minipulated the MC to create Ani in the first place with the hopes of an ultra powerful being to be his apprecentice as he suspected something with Sidious. However Sidious kills him before he can take posession of the child.
In the comics there is more in Ginn and the saving of the spirit. I hope they filmed that and it's in a later release. That part went too fast.
Thought that Obi-Wan kicked ass, just his acting as he is talking with Ani as he walks off Padme's ship was better than almost anything else in the movie. However Mace (Jackson) and Sidious (except for some of his fight faces) were pretty decent as well.
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Overall I like it, going to see it again this weekend with my wife.
Marb
My thoughts on some of the questions...
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Darth Pagules (or whatever his name is) I think did exist. Someone had to be Sidious' mentor right? IMHO I think Sidious is the app. who killed him. However he really didn't teach him everything he knew, as he suggests, which is why he is still trying to save/create the flesh (the General then Darth Vader). It's my guess that Darth P. minipulated the MC to create Ani in the first place with the hopes of an ultra powerful being to be his apprecentice as he suspected something with Sidious. However Sidious kills him before he can take posession of the child.
In the comics there is more in Ginn and the saving of the spirit. I hope they filmed that and it's in a later release. That part went too fast.
Thought that Obi-Wan kicked ass, just his acting as he is talking with Ani as he walks off Padme's ship was better than almost anything else in the movie. However Mace (Jackson) and Sidious (except for some of his fight faces) were pretty decent as well.
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Overall I like it, going to see it again this weekend with my wife.
Marb
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Overall, take the good with the bad, and even a few great moments as well as horrid, and you have EP3. I liked it. I sense a strange urge to watch the original trilogy again, oddly. Going out on a limb, I think I may even see EP3 on the big screen again.
Let's face it, after a piece of crap in a tin box and a mediocre crap fest, at least the best work was saved for last....sadly, it was just good and not great. But hey, it is worth the price of admission, more or less.
[hide]I did like how they showed the early models of the Imperial Shuttle and what is most likely supposed to be a TIE fighter, amongst other ships.
I agree on the acting--it was rather cheesed. There is not a whole lot more to add, really.
a few things:
Short Robot General was pretty cool.
The lizard thing that Kenobi was riding during his infiltration/chase was stunning.
I felt like the betrayal scenes were very well done--chalk that up to the score--once again, nice work by Williams. They also held true to the story by making the 'troopers emotionless and ruthless.
Yes, I agree on R2, bang up job on fleshing out the character. (huh huh, fleshing)
...and more, but I am sure it will get covered somewhere else....
Oh, and good job on remembering to blank 3PO at the end, got to tie them knots up, eh?[/hide]
Let's face it, after a piece of crap in a tin box and a mediocre crap fest, at least the best work was saved for last....sadly, it was just good and not great. But hey, it is worth the price of admission, more or less.
[hide]I did like how they showed the early models of the Imperial Shuttle and what is most likely supposed to be a TIE fighter, amongst other ships.
I agree on the acting--it was rather cheesed. There is not a whole lot more to add, really.
a few things:
Short Robot General was pretty cool.
The lizard thing that Kenobi was riding during his infiltration/chase was stunning.
I felt like the betrayal scenes were very well done--chalk that up to the score--once again, nice work by Williams. They also held true to the story by making the 'troopers emotionless and ruthless.
Yes, I agree on R2, bang up job on fleshing out the character. (huh huh, fleshing)
...and more, but I am sure it will get covered somewhere else....
Oh, and good job on remembering to blank 3PO at the end, got to tie them knots up, eh?[/hide]
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It was the best of the worst Star Wars movies.
Like a few others on this thread, it made me want to watch the original three because they were so much better than this (well the first two and third just barely)
Portman and the Anakin guy still sucked. HORRIBLE acting and Natalie has done some good work so the blame still lies on Lucas.
The special effects were well done. Obi Wan and Yoda were well done in Episode three. I identified with them but that's about it. The rest of the crew were just NPCs compared to player characters to me.
I doubt I'll ever watch Episodes 1-3 again unless I flip to a channel they happen to be playing on for some reason. I will continue to watch episodes 4-6 from time to time. Ultimately, that's what matters to me. They stand the test of time and are enjoyable every time I see them. (hedging slightly on episode 6)
Some day, episodes 7-9 will be made into movies. Probably 2015 or so and by someone other than Lucas (endorsed by him)
Best part of the movie was when the mask/helmet was lowered onto Vader's head and he took his first breath...that was the only chills caused by the movie.
Anyways, it was watchable and decent entertainment...can't believe they showed a Jar Jar at the end...jeeze.
Like a few others on this thread, it made me want to watch the original three because they were so much better than this (well the first two and third just barely)
Portman and the Anakin guy still sucked. HORRIBLE acting and Natalie has done some good work so the blame still lies on Lucas.
The special effects were well done. Obi Wan and Yoda were well done in Episode three. I identified with them but that's about it. The rest of the crew were just NPCs compared to player characters to me.
I doubt I'll ever watch Episodes 1-3 again unless I flip to a channel they happen to be playing on for some reason. I will continue to watch episodes 4-6 from time to time. Ultimately, that's what matters to me. They stand the test of time and are enjoyable every time I see them. (hedging slightly on episode 6)
Some day, episodes 7-9 will be made into movies. Probably 2015 or so and by someone other than Lucas (endorsed by him)
Best part of the movie was when the mask/helmet was lowered onto Vader's head and he took his first breath...that was the only chills caused by the movie.
Anyways, it was watchable and decent entertainment...can't believe they showed a Jar Jar at the end...jeeze.
#1 how big of a nerd do you have to be to dress up as a Star Trek commander to go out with your friends who are dressed up as Star Wars characters
#2. use the [ Hide ] tags, not the [spoiler] tags. they are so much better.
basically if you use spoiler instead of hide, make sure that you dont waste much time with your post, because at least 75% of the poeple won't bother reading it.
#2. use the [ Hide ] tags, not the [spoiler] tags. they are so much better.
basically if you use spoiler instead of hide, make sure that you dont waste much time with your post, because at least 75% of the poeple won't bother reading it.
I have always loved stories where characters become supernaturally powerful through evil means. My favorite examples are vampires; Anne Rice's being top for me and Bram Stoker's Dracula's conversion scene being my second favorite. Episode III brought back that feeling to me, and I found myself very excited for Anakin that he was going to the dark side.
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[hide]Two of my favorite scenes had to be Anakin killing the children and his choking of Padme (something I've wanted to do myself since Episode I). The scene where he killed the children was perfect, as that had to erase any doubt in the audience's minds that Anakin was trully fucking evil.[/hide]
Loved the movie, and I will see it in the theater again.
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[hide]Two of my favorite scenes had to be Anakin killing the children and his choking of Padme (something I've wanted to do myself since Episode I). The scene where he killed the children was perfect, as that had to erase any doubt in the audience's minds that Anakin was trully fucking evil.[/hide]
Loved the movie, and I will see it in the theater again.
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Here's another question:
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[hide]was Palpatine faking his deformation at the hands of Windu?
In Episodes I and II we see Sidius speaking via hologram to his people on a number of occasions, and he looks just as disfigured and old as he does in Jedi. But Palpatine always looked normal. Could he have been disguising his true deformaties as Palpatine, and only revealing the truth at an opportune time (to use it as an example of the brutality of the Jedi)?
I also think Sidius could have smoked Windu at any time, and instead chose to stage a scene that would force Anakin one step closer to the dark side. Well done.[/hide]
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[hide]was Palpatine faking his deformation at the hands of Windu?
In Episodes I and II we see Sidius speaking via hologram to his people on a number of occasions, and he looks just as disfigured and old as he does in Jedi. But Palpatine always looked normal. Could he have been disguising his true deformaties as Palpatine, and only revealing the truth at an opportune time (to use it as an example of the brutality of the Jedi)?
I also think Sidius could have smoked Windu at any time, and instead chose to stage a scene that would force Anakin one step closer to the dark side. Well done.[/hide]
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Ok, I don't think he was faking it for a number of reasons. If you watch the first 2 as many times as I have you will see that he isn't disfigured, he just has his hood down and is looking down to see out so his skin kind of hangs, nothing deformed.
Secondly if you have seen the Clone Wars cartoons you will know that Mace Windu is kind of the warrior Jedi... he kicks some major ass. While obviously he wasn't as damaged as he lead Ani to believe he was still roasting. If Ani had listend to Mace (and gained his respect) Mace would have killed Sidious IMHO. Just like Yoda would have if he haddn't fallen off that platform.
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Ok, I don't think he was faking it for a number of reasons. If you watch the first 2 as many times as I have you will see that he isn't disfigured, he just has his hood down and is looking down to see out so his skin kind of hangs, nothing deformed.
Secondly if you have seen the Clone Wars cartoons you will know that Mace Windu is kind of the warrior Jedi... he kicks some major ass. While obviously he wasn't as damaged as he lead Ani to believe he was still roasting. If Ani had listend to Mace (and gained his respect) Mace would have killed Sidious IMHO. Just like Yoda would have if he haddn't fallen off that platform.
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Sarg: There were 9 episodes originally planned. The original 3 movies were the middle 3. Lucas takes so long to make them that the human lifespan doesn't permit making all nine episodes unless we have an 80 year old Yoda looking Lucas attempting them 10 years down the road.
I hope he passes the reigns to an apprentice that has a knack for character development and emphasis on character interraction as well as special effects. Special effects become less important now as all movies are able to pull off the razzle dazzle.
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Sarg: There were 9 episodes originally planned. The original 3 movies were the middle 3. Lucas takes so long to make them that the human lifespan doesn't permit making all nine episodes unless we have an 80 year old Yoda looking Lucas attempting them 10 years down the road.
I hope he passes the reigns to an apprentice that has a knack for character development and emphasis on character interraction as well as special effects. Special effects become less important now as all movies are able to pull off the razzle dazzle.
I just came home from seeing it, and i liked it.
Its not as cool as the first 3 in my eyes, but thats most likely because i grew up with them, when i saw my DVD box set there were several scenes in the old ones that was almost painfully bad to watch.
The effects rocked.
But something i just cant figure out.
Nathalie Portman, shes a great actress, experienced, good-looking, I seen her act, shes a good actress.
Hayden Christensen, havent seen him in anything but Star Wars, but hear hes been known to be able to act on occasion.
WHY cant they bloody act when theyre together. They seriously gotta be candidates for worst couple chemistry in any movie.
Its not as cool as the first 3 in my eyes, but thats most likely because i grew up with them, when i saw my DVD box set there were several scenes in the old ones that was almost painfully bad to watch.
The effects rocked.
But something i just cant figure out.
Nathalie Portman, shes a great actress, experienced, good-looking, I seen her act, shes a good actress.
Hayden Christensen, havent seen him in anything but Star Wars, but hear hes been known to be able to act on occasion.
WHY cant they bloody act when theyre together. They seriously gotta be candidates for worst couple chemistry in any movie.
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I think Lucas failed Chemestry.Hesten wrote:WHY cant they bloody act when theyre together. They seriously gotta be candidates for worst couple chemistry in any movie.
Probably English Literature too, based on the dialogue of the last 2 movies.
But he pwned the A/V club!
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[hide=More mindless rambling!]Grievous was a useless throwaway filler baddie who didn't live up to any net hype and served as a lame excuse to separate Obi Wan from Anakin.
The best scene in the movie for my money was the scene where Palpatine initiate's order 66. I actually wish they'd done a bit more with that.[/hide]
[hide=More mindless rambling!]Grievous was a useless throwaway filler baddie who didn't live up to any net hype and served as a lame excuse to separate Obi Wan from Anakin.
The best scene in the movie for my money was the scene where Palpatine initiate's order 66. I actually wish they'd done a bit more with that.[/hide]
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Upon a second viewing, I am much more happy with how this was done. I think an important part is to disregard the 'acting' of Portman and that guy that played Anakin and see this movie as well as the original trilogy(and the last 5 minutes of EP2) as one.
Damn cool, effects aside. As far as acting...well... Smitts and McGregor did very well, IMO.
Damn cool, effects aside. As far as acting...well... Smitts and McGregor did very well, IMO.
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[hide]Ok, saw it. Yay! First and foremost, I recommend it. It's not "the best since Empire" as some critics have been saying, but it was far better than 1 and 2.
Parts that I found bad. Of course, anything where Anakin/Padme interracted. That "I love you" "no I love you" bit was so bad I expected them to crack up on screen at having to read the garbage. The scene where they just stare across the city at each other, a few of us were sitting there going "don't speak! don't speak!".
Also... how the fuck do they fuck up Vader?! When he gets off the operating table and screams NOOOO!.. the theater was in stitches, the exact opposite that the scene was supposed to convey. Poor James Earl... even he couldn't dodge Lucas' curse.
But as I said, overall, it was a lot of fun. The fight scenes were super, a lot of the effects just being too much for my mind to even register, especially the opening space battle scene where they're weaving in and out of the ships. The clone troopers were as cool as in the 2nd, and Order 66 was a beautifully done sequence I thought. Was surprised Dooku got offed so early, but at least there were no terrible camera shots this time!
Grievous... he was a filler bad guy, yeah. I can already see the videogame version of him.. wear him down then aim for the heart! But it was still cool that they the character appeared in a non-movie related production first and then was brought into the films, even if it was totally planned that way. I couldn't remember him from the Clone Wars series tho, so I was a little lost until afterwards and someone explained it.
Palpatine. I think it was pretty fucking obvious in the Mace/Sidious fight that he was faking his losing. The comical overacting was him trying to ham it up a bit and put on a show for Anakin. It's probably heresy to say this about him, but Sam Jackson really wasn't right for the part of a Jedi Master. He should have spent more time working on his choreography and less on his thoughtful-yet-lightsaber-that-says-motherfucker-on-it look. The emperor's cackles were sometimes tought to swallow, but eh. Oh, and how the fuck did they all know to suddenly start calling him the Emperor?
Anakin... well, he was less annoying in this one save when around Padme, so I guess he improved. The end fight with Obi-Wan was great. I totally bought his rage. As for his turning.. yeah, it could have been drawn out more, but I think it was decently done within the time constraints. It probably would have been better to lay more seeds for it in the 2nd episode.
Ewan was great as Kenobi again. Not a lot more to say about that... this was his best of the three.
No bad one liners from C3P0! Yay! I watched 1 and 2 last night to refresht he memory, and sweet jesus he was bad in the 2nd. R2's neat tricks, well, it was cool seeing him kickass, but yeah, it just made me think "why aren't you doing that in 4-6!?"
Hmm, what else. I'd say that yes, Anakin was "birthed" by Plagus, not Palpatine tho. Palp mentions to Anakin that Plagus was able to create life, so I'm gonna say that it was him.
The way they tossed in the end how Qui-Gon managed to find the secret to immortality was bad. Either do more on it or not at all. Just a little unexplained footnote tacked on was stupid.
Why Luke and Leia as names? Can't explain every little detail. Assume that they'd talked about names already, ones that ever so conveniently fit twins.
The Chewbacca cameo was completely gratuitous. No fucking reason to have him make an appearance, and really just pokes more holes in 4-6. Why the hell does he never mention any of his previous jedi business with Han? Feh, whatever.
That's about all I can think of atm, missed a lot to talk about I'm sure. Tired.. so tired...
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Parts that I found bad. Of course, anything where Anakin/Padme interracted. That "I love you" "no I love you" bit was so bad I expected them to crack up on screen at having to read the garbage. The scene where they just stare across the city at each other, a few of us were sitting there going "don't speak! don't speak!".
Also... how the fuck do they fuck up Vader?! When he gets off the operating table and screams NOOOO!.. the theater was in stitches, the exact opposite that the scene was supposed to convey. Poor James Earl... even he couldn't dodge Lucas' curse.
But as I said, overall, it was a lot of fun. The fight scenes were super, a lot of the effects just being too much for my mind to even register, especially the opening space battle scene where they're weaving in and out of the ships. The clone troopers were as cool as in the 2nd, and Order 66 was a beautifully done sequence I thought. Was surprised Dooku got offed so early, but at least there were no terrible camera shots this time!
Grievous... he was a filler bad guy, yeah. I can already see the videogame version of him.. wear him down then aim for the heart! But it was still cool that they the character appeared in a non-movie related production first and then was brought into the films, even if it was totally planned that way. I couldn't remember him from the Clone Wars series tho, so I was a little lost until afterwards and someone explained it.
Palpatine. I think it was pretty fucking obvious in the Mace/Sidious fight that he was faking his losing. The comical overacting was him trying to ham it up a bit and put on a show for Anakin. It's probably heresy to say this about him, but Sam Jackson really wasn't right for the part of a Jedi Master. He should have spent more time working on his choreography and less on his thoughtful-yet-lightsaber-that-says-motherfucker-on-it look. The emperor's cackles were sometimes tought to swallow, but eh. Oh, and how the fuck did they all know to suddenly start calling him the Emperor?
Anakin... well, he was less annoying in this one save when around Padme, so I guess he improved. The end fight with Obi-Wan was great. I totally bought his rage. As for his turning.. yeah, it could have been drawn out more, but I think it was decently done within the time constraints. It probably would have been better to lay more seeds for it in the 2nd episode.
Ewan was great as Kenobi again. Not a lot more to say about that... this was his best of the three.
No bad one liners from C3P0! Yay! I watched 1 and 2 last night to refresht he memory, and sweet jesus he was bad in the 2nd. R2's neat tricks, well, it was cool seeing him kickass, but yeah, it just made me think "why aren't you doing that in 4-6!?"
Hmm, what else. I'd say that yes, Anakin was "birthed" by Plagus, not Palpatine tho. Palp mentions to Anakin that Plagus was able to create life, so I'm gonna say that it was him.
The way they tossed in the end how Qui-Gon managed to find the secret to immortality was bad. Either do more on it or not at all. Just a little unexplained footnote tacked on was stupid.
Why Luke and Leia as names? Can't explain every little detail. Assume that they'd talked about names already, ones that ever so conveniently fit twins.
The Chewbacca cameo was completely gratuitous. No fucking reason to have him make an appearance, and really just pokes more holes in 4-6. Why the hell does he never mention any of his previous jedi business with Han? Feh, whatever.
That's about all I can think of atm, missed a lot to talk about I'm sure. Tired.. so tired...
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I thought Smitts was pretty wooden and uninspired. Not that he had a lot to work with, the character wasn't developed at all really.Canelek wrote:Upon a second viewing, I am much more happy with how this was done. I think an important part is to disregard the 'acting' of Portman and that guy that played Anakin and see this movie as well as the original trilogy(and the last 5 minutes of EP2) as one.
Damn cool, effects aside. As far as acting...well... Smitts and McGregor did very well, IMO.