Sin City

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » April 2, 2005, 4:22 am

Went to see it tonight, and I was impressed. It was 99% accurate to the comics down to coloration, scene direction, and dialogue. If you enjoyed the comics, I would safely say you would enjoy the movie. If you don't already know, it was a combination of "Sin City (also known as The Hard Goodbye)", "That Yellow Bastard", and "The Big Fat Kill". It opens and closes with That Yellow Bastard, with the Hard Goodbye and the Big Fat Kill in between.

I thought it was very well done - a very good adaptation from comic to movie. I could see some people not enjoying the lack of realism in some scenes (you'll know what I mean when Marv goes around town "interrogating" people), but it was basically Miller's way of staying as true to the comic as possible.

In any case, I'd highly suggest seeing it.

mandalynn-veeshan · Post by **mandalynn-veeshan** » April 2, 2005, 9:15 am

I went to see it myself tonight and enjoyed it also.. Although the dog scene made me alil sick to my tummy.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » April 2, 2005, 10:46 am

Since its 2+ months till it come in DK, i gotta ask one question:
How did the people in the movie theater when their happy hippy Frodo the happy hobbit showed up as Kevin?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 2, 2005, 2:19 pm

I'm going to see it tonight with friends. Review to follow!

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » April 2, 2005, 11:27 pm

I thought it was a great movie.

My wife and I really enjoyed it.

Grey · Post by **Grey** » April 2, 2005, 11:46 pm

something better than kill bill! *gasp*! must see

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » April 3, 2005, 2:51 am

I enjoyed it a great deal.

I like movies that are heavily stylized, because I tend to think that all movies are stylized to the same extent, but most movies attempt to hide it. When the stylization is upfront, you can evaluate it on your own terms instead of some shitty director trying to bullshit you.

Kevin was creepy as shit and I wouldn't have recognized him as Frodo if I didn't know it before watching the movie.

I went and saw Kill Bill for the same reason and thought it was crap. I liked this movie much better.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 3, 2005, 2:56 am

During the first 10 minutes, all I could think of was how terribly comic book script translated to the big screen when spoken. But somewhere in there, I got sucked in. I'm not sure if it was the visuals or the ungodly violence that took me out of my seat, but by the end I was totally engrossed. I loved this movie. I thought it would be a 7 out of 10 at best as I was headed into it, but I'll give it a solid 9.5 after having seen it. I went with a group of friends, and every single person loved it.

The movie was broken up into 3 independant stories, with "bookends" in the beginning and ending. Each story was excellent. It's very hard to choose which story was my favorite. This may be the first movie I have ever seen that I may make a point to go back and see at the theater.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 3, 2005, 4:11 am

Just got back from it. Great film, it accomplished what it set to do, which was bring the Sin City graphic novels to the big screen. It was so faithful to the books that at times I thought it was almost too faithful. Some shots that work in a comic book frame don't work so well in live action. The dialogue was, at times, very campy, but it was written to be that. I agree with Fairweather, in the first 10 minutes my initial excitement had worn off and I was worried I would be disappointed, but that evaporated.

Michael Madsen was miscast tho, I will say that.

Elijah Wood was perfectly cast, I'll say that too.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 4, 2005, 2:52 am

Matt Drudge, being the fucking asshole that he is, posted this on the front page of his website today (Sunday night). Warning, includes spoilers.

[Show]: # 1 MOVIE IN USA WEEKEND POPE DIES 'SIN CITY' FEATURES A CARDINAL AS CANNIBAL, IN LEAGUE WITH A SERIAL KILLER WHO READS THE BIBLE, A CROSS IN JUST ABOUT EVERY SCENE... MOVIE FEATURES BRUCE WILLIS RIPPING A MAN'S PENIS OFF...

This isn't the first time he's pulled this shit. He did the same thing with the ending to Planet of the Apes and 2 others that I am aware of. I mean really, what a fucking cunt of a man to print that shit. Almost as good is the site he linked http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=1772&p=.htm which includes such lines as:

A mostly monochromatic, digitally-rendered noir picture adapted from comic books by Frank Miller (Robocop 2) and co-directed by Robert Rodriguez (Spy Kids)

No mention of the more popular, and more famous works of Rodriguez, and a simple glossing over of Frank Miller's comic book work. How annoying.

Hey, I'm all about people having an opinion. But when your opinion is driven by your agenda, whatever that may be, then I have no respcet for anything you have to say. It's almost like reading Fox News or something.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » April 4, 2005, 5:49 pm

I liked the movie a lot as well.

I did kind of get that feeling for the first few minutes too where I thought it sounded kind of corny doing the comic book dialogue. But I got used to it and enjoyed the movie a lot. The only thing I would have liked to see different is lots and lots more Jessica Alba.

Kithyen · Post by **Kithyen** » April 4, 2005, 8:03 pm

I was really impressed with the movie. I had never read the comics so I wasn't sure what to expect. I don't think their was one miscast for any of the characters. Although I laughed quietly to myself when Elijah Wood's character, Kevin, showed up. I kept thinking "Harry Potter has gone batshit insane."

Also have to add that Mickey Rourke stole that movie with his performance of Marv.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 5, 2005, 12:22 am

Kithyen wrote:I was really impressed with the movie. I had never read the comics so I wasn't sure what to expect. I don't think their was one miscast for any of the characters. Although I laughed quietly to myself when Elijah Wood's character, Kevin, showed up. I kept thinking "Harry Potter has gone batshit insane."

Also have to add that Mickey Rourke stole that movie with his performance of Marv.

Yeah, critics have already dubbed it Rourke's career-reviving performance. To his credit he got Marv down pretty damned good I think. Helps that the make-up hid his seriously creepy looking face that he has nowadays.

Kevin was played EXACTLY like the comics. I'm still elated that they got him so right. Wood was bang on.

Kithyen · Post by **Kithyen** » April 5, 2005, 12:43 am

Yeah, critics have already dubbed it Rourke's career-reviving performance. To his credit he got Marv down pretty damned good I think. Helps that the make-up hid his seriously creepy looking face that he has nowadays.

Kevin was played EXACTLY like the comics. I'm still elated that they got him so right. Wood was bang on.

I'm gonna have to pick up the comics sometime. Also which section did Quentin Tarantino direct? I always assumed it was the Miho part where she slaughters Rafferty and his thugs in the car, but I keep hearing conflicted things from friends and websites.

EDIT: Apparently the one he directed was the

[Show]: Clive Owen hallucinating a talking Del Toro corpse

scene.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 5, 2005, 1:14 am

I posted the first of the three graphic novels this is based on in the comics forum. (about 150 pages).

I'll post the other two (Big Fat Kill and That Yellow Bastard) if peeps like the first one. I haven't read it so have no opinion!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » April 5, 2005, 4:43 pm

I have to say that the casting in this movie was just about perfect. Devon Aoki owned as little Miho.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » April 5, 2005, 5:41 pm

I'm curious about Akaran's opinion of this movie.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » April 5, 2005, 7:13 pm

The Yellow Bastard is a good read for sure. That guy is just...a bastard and you Hartigan to just destroy him.

My favorite by far was The Hard Goodbye, which I think is what they named the main comic series? Anyhow, Marv(Micky Rourke) is the most badass/funny character of Sin City. Kevin is the weirdest and most mysterious villain, which they made fucking awesome in the movie when they cast him as Elijah Wood.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » April 5, 2005, 7:31 pm

Keverian FireCry wrote:The Yellow Bastard is a good read for sure. That guy is just...a bastard and you Hartigan to just destroy him.

My favorite by far was The Hard Goodbye, which I think is what they named the main comic series? Anyhow, Marv(Micky Rourke) is the most badass/funny character of Sin City. Kevin is the weirdest and most mysterious villain, which they made fucking awesome in the movie when they cast him as Elijah Wood.

Hehe, i bet that some people in the audience had expected him in a nice Frodo like role. Surprise

.
Personally i had thought he would play Little Boy (As in half of the Fat Man and Little Boy team, the guys send to get Hartigans body at the hotel). Just cool he got casted as Kevin.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » April 6, 2005, 12:57 pm

I don't know about you, but I'm having a ball!

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » April 6, 2005, 1:44 pm

Just saw the movie (a screener, i know, im weak, but couldnt wait those 2+ months for it to come in the theaters here, although i am gonna go see it in the theater, most likely several times).
DAMN a cool movie. The mood were there, the chars looked like they should. A few of the lines sounded a little more campy in the movie than they did in comic form (the guy that get shot in the stomack with an arrow for example), but quite an enjoyable movie.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » April 9, 2005, 12:07 pm

Brilliant film. By far the best ive seen this year and its prolly on my top 20 list of all time, out of curiosity which scene(s) did quentin tarantino direct? i was told he only did one, but its hard to identify....im assuming it had something to do with the "berserker" guy near the beginning, best way i can descrive him heh

edit: heh iforgot to read the thread heh, damn i would have never guessed he directed that scene

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » April 10, 2005, 6:42 am

I think he directed the scene where Dwight is in the car with the dead Rourke, who starts talking to him...Could be wrong though...

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » April 10, 2005, 8:32 am

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, but then I'm a sucker for 'style' films. There were a few distractions though, mainly the amount of voiceovers. But Sin City (the comic) is done in the pulp-noir narrative form so of course it fits...but it still distracted and sort of annoyed me- The biggest problem was the attempt to weave a different storyline into The Hard Goodbye (I assume, to flesh out Marv's character some) by giving Dwight an added voiceover in the bar - the speech about gladiators. It's a good speech, and a good description of Marv, that makes us like the character more. It just seemed distracting as hell to switch from one character doing the internal monologue to another and back within 2 minutes.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 10, 2005, 9:29 am

I disagree, at least from the view of someone who's read the comics. Each comic had just this sort of little "weaving", little cameo's by the other characters with some comments/actions. Honestly I thought that the gladiator comment was taken straight from the books.

The narrative does get old sometimes, I'll agree. But overall it worked for what they were trying to do.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » April 10, 2005, 3:16 pm

Keverian FireCry wrote:I think he directed the scene where Dwight is in the car with the dead Rourke, who starts talking to him...Could be wrong though...

No idea which scene Tarantino directed, but that was Jackie Boy (Benicio del Toro) in the car, not Rourke.

Secondly, I'm not sure which "Rourke" you're talking about. There was the Cardinal Roark, and there was Mickey Rourke, the actor who played Marv. And the senator.

Burke · Post by **Burke** » April 10, 2005, 3:27 pm

Don't forget Senator Roark, played by Powers Boothe.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » April 10, 2005, 4:19 pm

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:And the senator.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » April 10, 2005, 5:07 pm

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:
Drinsic Darkwood wrote:And the senator.

Dont forget the last, but most featured Roark in the movie, Junior, AKA That Yellow Bastard

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » April 10, 2005, 7:00 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:I disagree, at least from the view of someone who's read the comics. Each comic had just this sort of little "weaving", little cameo's by the other characters with some comments/actions. Honestly I thought that the gladiator comment was taken straight from the books.

The narrative does get old sometimes, I'll agree. But overall it worked for what they were trying to do.

I've bought and read all the comics. I love them. The distraction I spoke us was from interweaving two stories, The Hard Goodbye and one of the Dwight-storylines that I don't recall the name of at present - perhaps A Dame To Kill For? - and yeah, the whole gladiator thing is pretty much a direct quote. Mixing two seperate internal monologues was confusing to me, especially as it was only done the one time - it wasn't a style decision, it was...well, it seemed pointless (yeah I know the point, I said so in my last post; fleshing out Marv and making him more than just I Hit People-Dude) and it broke my concentration somewhat.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 11, 2005, 12:28 am

From someone who hasn't read the comics, I thought the movie was excellent. One of the best I've seen in quite some time.

I am a bit confused about what happened at the end of the story as two storylines ended up at the farm...I thought for awhile that Hartigan and Marv were the same person.

BTW, excellent performance by Mickey Rourke. I had no clue it was him.

Good stuff. Highly entertaining.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » April 11, 2005, 1:53 am

Winnow wrote:From someone who hasn't read the comics, I thought the movie was excellent. One of the best I've seen in quite some time.

I am a bit confused about what happened at the end of the story as two storylines ended up at the farm...I thought for awhile that Hartigan and Marv were the same person.

BTW, excellent performance by Mickey Rourke. I had no clue it was him.

Good stuff. Highly entertaining.

Everything in Marv's storyline - the Hard Goodbye - happened after Hartigan's - That Yellow Bastard - if that clears anything up. The movie jumped around in time a bit.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » April 11, 2005, 8:21 am

Mediocre. I was hoping for more from Miller besides the cliched "old man and lil virgin" lameness.

Mickey's story was the only one I liked.

Better than Kill Bill? Pfft.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 11, 2005, 2:21 pm

Toshira wrote:
Better than Kill Bill? Pfft.

Yes, much better than Kill Bill. Sin City had a story. While it's always good to see japanese girls in school outfits, (Go Go), the little girl in Sin City had a little more to do with the story than just being another thug.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 11, 2005, 2:47 pm

We've been pfft'd.. I feel so dumb. My entire value system has been thrown into disarray!

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » April 11, 2005, 3:08 pm

I'd agree with Winnow here - I enjoyed Sin City much more than Kill Bill.

But hey, in the words of Siji:

Siji wrote:So if more people on VV prefer one movie or the other, exactly what point is made? None. So more people like something than another thing.. Gee, could it be fathomable that one could actually, oh I don't know, form their own opinion on something based on their own personal tastes regardless of what the popular opinion is?

This entire thread is pointless! Fuck, so is the forum!

P.S. The Core fucking blew.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » April 11, 2005, 3:28 pm

Kill Bill 1 owned as much as Kill Bill 2 sucked.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Marv's story takes place between the 2 halves of "That Yellow Bastard" (after Hartigan shoots Jr., but before he gets out of jail), because I'm pretty sure than Nancy was leaving Sin City after the finale on the farm.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » April 11, 2005, 3:37 pm

masteen wrote:Kill Bill 1 owned as much as Kill Bill 2 sucked.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Marv's story takes place between the 2 halves of "That Yellow Bastard" (after Hartigan shoots Jr., but before he gets out of jail), because I'm pretty sure than Nancy was leaving Sin City after the finale on the farm.

Nah, in both the comic and the movie as Hartigan approaches the farm where Roark, Jr. has Nancy held at the end, Kevin is seen through the window reading the bible. Marv kills Kevin, so the entire "That Yellow Bastard" line would've had to happen before the Hard Goodbye.

Also, something I noticed during the movie that I don't recall in the comic. As Marv drives out to the farm he passes the city limits sign for "Basin City". When he passes it by, the "b" and the "a" have been covered in bullet holes/dents. When Hartigan drives out to the farm, the sign is un-damaged.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » April 11, 2005, 3:49 pm

masteen wrote:Kill Bill 1 owned as much as Kill Bill 2 sucked.

Weird. I liked KB2 more than KB1.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 12, 2005, 2:15 am

I also thought KB2 was better than the first. I'd put them on the same lvl as Sin City. Both movies were extremely entertaining in terms of style and never really knowing what was going to happen next.

Post by **Sylvus** » April 13, 2005, 1:22 am

Wow, I finally got to see it tonight and that's all I can say. Amazing movie, and it easily just knocked something out of my top 10.

I need to see it again soon.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » April 13, 2005, 1:41 am

No no I just said the wrong name I meant Jackie Boy.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » April 13, 2005, 4:31 am

Fairweather Pure wrote:I also thought KB2 was better than the first. I'd put them on the same lvl as Sin City. Both movies were extremely entertaining in terms of style and never really knowing what was going to happen next.

Probably prefer KB1 v's 2, but that's purely because a) the peach garden scene was probably the best, cinematographically, I've seen in American film, b) the ninja physics of punching your way out of a buried coffin shit me to tears =p

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » April 13, 2005, 2:09 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:We've been pfft'd.. I feel so dumb. My entire value system has been thrown into disarray!

Sir, I double pfft you!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » April 13, 2005, 2:13 pm

Zaelath wrote:Probably prefer KB1 v's 2, but that's purely because a) the peach garden scene was probably the best, cinematographically, I've seen in American film, b) the ninja physics of punching your way out of a buried coffin shit me to tears =p

You say that now.. But you'll change your tune when you find yourself buried alive and wanting to get out.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 14, 2005, 3:42 am

Probably prefer KB1 v's 2, but that's purely because a) the peach garden scene was probably the best, cinematographically, I've seen in American film, b) the ninja physics of punching your way out of a buried coffin shit me to tears =p

The fact that you focus on that one single flaw in physics in a movie with such an outlandish premise and chuck full of scene ofter scene of physically impossible situations makes me want to lol.

PFFT, LOL!

I DEED IT!

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » April 14, 2005, 7:30 am

[quote="Fairweather Pure"]

The fact that you focus on that one single flaw in physics in a movie with such an outlandish premise and chuck full of scene ofter scene of physically impossible situations makes me want to lol.[/qoute]

As opposed to say, dragging someone alongside a car wih one arm? Gotcha!

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 19, 2005, 2:47 am

Just saw this. Tits on a tulip, I loved it.

I don't read comics, so I have no frame of reference to tear it apart. Yay me!

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » May 19, 2005, 9:12 am

Anyone notice that after about 2 weeks after the movie came out, they havent advertised the movie at all?

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » May 19, 2005, 9:30 am

Sionistic wrote:Anyone notice that after about 2 weeks after the movie came out, they havent advertised the movie at all?

It might have something to do with the rating and the discussions about the movie. A lot of media will not show advertisements for controlversial movies (and i heard a lot of people complained about Sin City), so that might be why.

And i cant wait, its coming here in DK at 3rd june, so wanna see a good version