NO GAYS DAMNIT!

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 29, 2005, 5:51 pm

But hey... pedophiles are ok by us! j/k...

While I think it's very sad that the BSA is going through this I think it kind of funny how they made such a big stick about no gay men in BS. The unsaid implication being of course that all gay men really like little boys or so most uneducated rednecks believe... It's almost like just disserts as I'm sure this guy was one of the people condeming everyone else while doing his own thing behind closed doors... On another thread we are discussing the relavance of the Bible, here is a good and relevant example of "Let ye without sin cast the first stone..."

Marb

http://us.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/29/scouts ... index.html

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 29, 2005, 6:16 pm

I don't find what you are saying to be accurate. When they found he was under investigation they suspended him.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 29, 2005, 6:22 pm

Yes they did but he worked for them for 39 years, right under their noses and they never suspected him because the didn't "fit" their idea of a pedophile... that's my point. I think they did the right thing as best they could, I'm talking more about the whole idea in general.

Marb

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » March 29, 2005, 6:24 pm

It always pleases me to see the Boy Scouts riddled with scandal!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 29, 2005, 6:41 pm

Why would it please you to see something like that? /boggle

Marb,

I think you went astray on this one man. It's unfortunate he is a pedophile. Problem is you can't know everything about everyone. I think the attention shouldn't be placed on the Boy Scouts, but cutting this mother fuckers nuts off.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 29, 2005, 6:43 pm

Maybe so... I agree with you 100% on cutting his nuts off though

Me personally I just hate to see people make a big thing about judging people they don't even know which is what I think they did with the whole gays in BS stuff.

Marb

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 29, 2005, 6:53 pm

I think they have just as much right to keep gays away from the children enrolled in their program as you do to think they do not.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 29, 2005, 6:57 pm

was the kiddie porn at least straight kiddie porn?

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » March 30, 2005, 2:36 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Why would it please you to see something like that? /boggle

Cause I hate the boy scouts!

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » March 30, 2005, 2:39 pm

this thread said no gays sirensa, stay out omg!!!!!!1

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » March 30, 2005, 2:50 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Why would it please you to see something like that? /boggle

I can't claim any expertese, but I'm guessing it has something to do with nudging karma along.

Hey, if it's wrong to daydream about stupid people getting what's coming to them, i don't want to be right.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » March 30, 2005, 3:05 pm

Sirensa wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Why would it please you to see something like that? /boggle
Cause I hate the boy scouts!

She hates the Boy Scouts, yet dates a 3 palm Eagle Scout.
OMFG OWNED!

The fact that people wish to tear down the institution of Boy Scouts is horrible. Boy Scouts teaches young boys how to be men. It's not just "outdoors" its an organization that teaches you right and wrong and what is important. It helps you also learn to be a hell of a lot more patriotic and respectful of the nation in which you live.

Boy Scouts kick ass.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 30, 2005, 3:09 pm

Boy Scouts teaches young boys how to be men

ewww

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » March 30, 2005, 3:09 pm

Sylvos wrote:
Sirensa wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Why would it please you to see something like that? /boggle
Cause I hate the boy scouts!

She hates the Boy Scouts, yet dates a 3 palm Eagle Scout.
OMFG OWNED!

The fact that people wish to tear down the institution of Boy Scouts is horrible. Boy Scouts teaches young boys how to be men. It's not just "outdoors" its an organization that teaches you right and wrong and what is important. It helps you also learn to be a hell of a lot more patriotic and respectful of the nation in which you live.

Boy Scouts kick ass.

Teaches you right from wrong and how to be a sexist pig. As indicated by the BOY SCOUT DRAMA - they don't all know right from wrong and are not better than anyone else.

I date you despite you being an eagle scout, not because of it. You should consider yourself lucky.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » March 30, 2005, 3:11 pm

I wouldn't have had my child in a troop led by a gay leader simply because that's not the kind of role model I'd want to them to have at that age. Same as with my choices in movies, games, music, etc..

After 39 years I'd think he'd have been caught, or at least accused if he was a sexual predator. He's one by proxy, and needs locked up. The people making the smut need to be slowly roasted over a fire wile getting pine cones pounded up their asses.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » March 30, 2005, 3:11 pm

I'm not taping American Idol for a certain anti-boy scouter.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 30, 2005, 4:47 pm

Zhulka I agree with you on that it's the people doing the fiming that need to be roasted and that this guy was kind of secondary... I definitely like the pine cone idea

In regards to my sons having a gay scout leader I don't know. If he was an honest upstanding man with good morals I don't think I would have a problem with it as I doubt being "gay" would ever come up. If he made it a point to try and "convert" people then I would have a problem. However I've only met 1 gay man in my life who was obsessed in "converting" hetrosexuals and he had a lot of other issues that would keep him from being a scout leader... All the gay men I know feel that have more than enough choices. Rather it's usually the macho hetro guys who "think" every gay man must be interesting in them... which is really quite funny to say the least because most women wouldn't have anything to do with them, why would a man? lol. So I agree and disagree with the role model, if it came up yea I agree, I just don't see that it has to come up at all.

I guess my initial post was about Karma as someone posted above. I was in Scouts for a while but didn't have time as I got older. I enjoyed it while I was a part of it and feel it definitely added value to my childhood.

Marb

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » March 30, 2005, 4:50 pm

Just before it gets to this point, being gay doesnt mean being a pedophile.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 30, 2005, 4:56 pm

Lynks wrote:Just before it gets to this point, being gay doesnt mean being a pedophile.

Very important distinction indeed. Both are weird and disturbing, but very different. Thank you Lynks.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » March 30, 2005, 5:51 pm

I see gay men leading boy scouts in the same eyes as I would see a straight man leading a bunch of girl scouts.

Odds are nothing would happen, but why bother setting up a potientially risky situation?

Not with my kid.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 30, 2005, 5:54 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:I see gay men leading boy scouts in the same eyes as I would see a straight man leading a bunch of girl scouts.

in that they are both queers? yuk yuk yuk

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 30, 2005, 6:09 pm

If I had a daughter I would lead a Girl Scout Troop and I'm not gay...

Frankly it kind of bothers me that you assume, by your words Adex, that all men if put into a certian "situation" are potential pedophiles? Damn man, that's a pretty shallow view of the world. Kids are kids, boys or girls they are still just kids and need guidence, love and leadership, none of which have anything to do with sexuality, sex or anything of the sort.

Marb

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 30, 2005, 6:11 pm

or to generalize more, is it inappropriate for a man to coach girls sports teams?

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » March 30, 2005, 6:15 pm

Personally, I don't understand why there needs to be a gender distinction - and why they can't just be "scouts" - boy and girl together. And activities and meetings hosted by any competant and trustworthy adult.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 30, 2005, 6:16 pm

OMG I agree with Sirensa

miir · Post by **miir** » March 30, 2005, 6:20 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:I see gay men leading boy scouts in the same eyes as I would see a straight man leading a bunch of girl scouts.

Odds are nothing would happen, but why bother setting up a potientially risky situation?

Not with my kid.

So would it 'potentially risky' if your son had a male homosexual teacher?
Would it be as 'potentially risky' if your daughter had a straight male teacher?

I don't quite comprehend the point you are trying to make.
Unless it's the typical homophobia/hate that your god/church teaches you.

or to generalize more, is it inappropriate for a man to coach girls sports teams?

Happens all the time.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 30, 2005, 6:22 pm

Adex, I know a lesbian couple who just had a baby girl.
Would you say that that child is in a 'potentially risky' situation?

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » March 30, 2005, 8:06 pm

Marbus wrote:Frankly it kind of bothers me that you assume, by your words Adex, that all men if put into a certian "situation" are potential pedophiles?

Nope, as a said earlier, odds are things would be ok.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » March 30, 2005, 8:08 pm

miir wrote:
So would it 'potentially risky' if your son had a male homosexual teacher?
Would it be as 'potentially risky' if your daughter had a straight male teacher?

Teachers aren't out camping with their students like scout leaders. A scout leader has more access to the child, and less chance of public oversight.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » March 30, 2005, 8:10 pm

miir wrote:Adex, I know a lesbian couple who just had a baby girl.
Would you say that that child is in a 'potentially risky' situation?

That child is in no more sexual risk as a daughter would be with her father. It happens, but odds are only 1 in 7, according to family molestation statistics in the USA.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 30, 2005, 8:14 pm

But you are implying that a homosexual man would be a higher risk to be a child molestor or pedophile, correct?

On what grounds do you base that completely asinine statement?

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » March 30, 2005, 8:21 pm

*sigh*

No, I do not belive that homosexuals are more likely to be pediphiles than straight people.

Gay or Straight, if you are sexually attracted to males, I don't want you sleeping in the same tent as my son unsupervised.

Gay or Straight, if you are sexually attracted to females, I don't want you sleeping in the same tent as my daughter unsupervised.

Please don't append you personal issues on to my statements and then attribute the junk to me.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 30, 2005, 8:32 pm

Adex, I've known you a long time and we have even met in person a couple of time so I know you are a good person and I didn't mean for it to seem like I'm attacking you personally. I just think that just because someone is attracted to females doesn't mean they are attracted to little girls... now if I had a daughter I might worry about the exact same thing. However for me personally I know that it would not be a problem and that you can take steps to make sure that nothing is misconstrued... maybe other people can't do that or wouldn't want to take those steps but I don't think excluding people from helping people because they might be a freak is a huge burdon to deal with. Hopefully it is something none of us will ever have to face with our kids.

Marb

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » March 30, 2005, 9:45 pm

Adex's position isn't homophobic, it's 'old world' and I have to agree with him on the male girl guides leaders. But then again, I'm not exactly the worlds most optimistic, trusting person. Call it paranoia, I call it risk management.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » March 30, 2005, 10:23 pm

My gf was a scout leader (for boys) for 3-4 years. Last I checked, scout leaders didnt sleep in the SAME tent as the children. They had their own tents.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 30, 2005, 10:40 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:*sigh*

No, I do not belive that homosexuals are more likely to be pediphiles than straight people.

Gay or Straight, if you are sexually attracted to males, I don't want you sleeping in the same tent as my son unsupervised.

Gay or Straight, if you are sexually attracted to females, I don't want you sleeping in the same tent as my daughter unsupervised.

Please don't append you personal issues on to my statements and then attribute the junk to me.

Anyone adult is sexually attracted to little boys or little girls is fucked in the head... regardless of sexual orientation.

I just think that just because someone is attracted to females doesn't mean they are attracted to little girls...

Pretty much sums up my opinion on this.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » March 30, 2005, 11:17 pm

miir wrote:
Adex_Xeda wrote:*sigh*

No, I do not belive that homosexuals are more likely to be pediphiles than straight people.

Gay or Straight, if you are sexually attracted to males, I don't want you sleeping in the same tent as my son unsupervised.

Gay or Straight, if you are sexually attracted to females, I don't want you sleeping in the same tent as my daughter unsupervised.

Please don't append you personal issues on to my statements and then attribute the junk to me.
Anyone adult is sexually attracted to little boys or little girls is fucked in the head... regardless of sexual orientation.

I just think that just because someone is attracted to females doesn't mean they are attracted to little girls...
Pretty much sums up my opinion on this.

It's a beautifully logical statement, but I fail to see the relevance.

If you are the type that is attracted to children sexually, and amoral, are you more or less likely to want to be a scout master/guide leader?

BTW, how little is little? Is Barely Legal a publication catering to a small group of sociopaths?

I fail to see at all why people give so much trust to other adults they barely know, male, female, straight or gay. Sure pedophilia is an extreme sickness, but it's not exactly uncommon, and lesser forms are surely more prevalent.