I wonder if he's guilty

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I wonder if he's guilty

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http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly ... 19,00.html

Judge, Two Others Killed in Atlanta Courthouse Shooting; Manhunt Continues

Friday, March 11, 2005



ATLANTA, Ga. — A man facing rape charges grabbed a deputy's gun and shot and killed three people, including a judge, at the Fulton County Courthouse (search) in downtown Atlanta Friday morning, sparking a citywide manhunt.

A fourth victim was being treated for a gun wound and is in critical condition. The judge who was killed was Superior Court Judge Rowland Barnes (search).

The suspect, identified as Brian Nichols, carjacked a series of vehicles following the 9 a.m. EST shooting in an effort to elude authorities. The Fulton County Sheriff's office most recently sent out an alert for a green Isuzu Trooper, Georgia tag 4697-AJY, as well as a 1997 green Honda Accord, license plate 658-4YN.

The city was in a virtual lockdown following the incident. Police were out in force, setting up roadblocks at major intersections in downtown and midtown Atlanta. FBI officials were also involved in the manhunt. The courthouse is located in the heart of the city, near the state capital and major tourist destinations.

Public schools in the area were being secured, and people inside the courthouse were not allowed to leave until around 11:30 a.m. after authorities locked everyone inside and performed a thorough check of the building.

The courthouse was closed, and traffic around it heavily restricted.

Nichols, 34, is described as a black male, 6'1" and weighing 200 pounds, and of medium complexion. He was charged with raping and kidnapping his girlfriend last August. Other charges he faced were sodomy, possession of a machine gun, a handgun and a large quantity of marijuana. For more on Nichols, click here.

Investigators were searching his apartment in the Atlanta suburb of Roswell.

Questions About Security

Nichols may have been planning his escape since before Friday. Deputies found a hand-made knife hidden in his shoe on Wednesday, an Atlanta TV station reported.

The discovery prompted a closed-door session among the judge, bailiff and lawyers, according to WAGA. It was not immediately known what was discussed, but Nichols was apparently not handcuffed or shackled for Friday's court appearance. In addition, he was in street clothes.

Law enforcement authorities were stunned at Nichols' brazen escape.

Nichols, who was appearing before Judge Barnes in his criminal case, allegedly grabbed a deputy's gun and shot him in the head.

Nichols then allegedly shot the judge in the head. The clerk was shot in the scuffle.

The suspect ordered bailiffs to handcuff everyone else before running out of the courtroom, located on the eighth floor, and out through a stairwell.

Nichols fled the courthouse, allegedly shooting a deputy who tried to stop him on the way. That deputy was being treated for his wounds at a nearby hospital.

Nichols scrambled for an escape vehicle, pistol-whipping an Atlanta Journal-Constitution reporter during a carjacking attempt. The reporter was treated for his injuries at a hospital and released.

A Respected Judge

Lawyers who knew Barnes said they were shocked. For more on Barnes, click here.

“You probably will not find a judge anywhere in the country that dreamed about being a judge more than Rowland Barnes. He loved being a judge,” said Drew Findling, an Atlanta lawyer.

"He is an old-school judge at a time where there aren't a lot of old-school judges," Findling said.

B.J. Bernstein, another Atlanta lawyer, said Barnes was “extremely” well respected. “This is a man who always looked at both sides … made sure both sides had been heard and yet would rule justly. His demeanor on the bench was fair but firm,” she said.

Barnes is perhaps most famous for two cases: one involving an abusive mother and the second involving an NHL player.

Barnes honored the wishes of an Atlanta Thrashers player's father and did not sentence the teammate responsible for his son's death to jail. Voicing his reservations, Barnes nonetheless sentenced Dany Heatley to three years' probation.

The judge also created something of a firestorm when he gave a woman who had pled guilty to killing her newborn the option of medical sterilization to avoid prison.

Stay with FOXNews.com and the FOX News Channel for more on this developing story.

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Just wait for the Made for TV movie about this.
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i think this guy isnt going to surrender to the authorities either. he's either going to kill himself or go down fighting.

the judge had a reputation for being extremely fair to defendents as well, so its a sad case. its basically a couple blocks from where i work, and if i had driven to work the way i do sometimes, i would have gotten stuck in all the traffice from the streets being closed down.
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Why use "allegedly" when there where whiteness?
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cid wrote:Why use "allegedly" when there where whiteness?
Another sad commentary on how criminals get the benefit of the doubt way too fucking much.
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yep. if we didnt have the word "alledgedly" in front of his name, this crime never would have happened, and justice would be served on every street corner.

you both know that every news report you have seen/read has described the event in no uncertain terms. They have quotes from eye witnesses, etc.

Just because that word is used doesnt mean the events were not communicated in a manner which calls into question who did what.

i dont think anybody reading this will think some other person shot the judge just because the word alledgedly was used.

fixating on stuff like that as to some sort of grand indicator of the sad state of affairs of our justice system is tremendous reach, in my opinion. i'm smart enough to know what that word means in that context, and i'm satisfied that I can live with that usage if it means that should I ever be charged with a crime I am innocent until proven guilty. its a small "price" to pay for that assurance as well.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
cid wrote:Why use "allegedly" when there where whiteness?
Another sad commentary on how criminals get the benefit of the doubt way too fucking much.
So you would prefer a system of 'guilty until proven innocent' ?
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miir wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
cid wrote:Why use "allegedly" when there where whiteness?
Another sad commentary on how criminals get the benefit of the doubt way too fucking much.
So you would prefer a system of 'guilty until proven innocent' ?
No. I would prefer allegedly not be used when everyone knows it him. Just like whne they have a crime on tape and they use allegedly. It's fucking stupid. Period.
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Since the police officers and reporters didn't personally witness the killings actually taking place, the use of the word 'alleged' is 100% accurate.

The media must report all crimes/criminals as 'alleged' lest they risk being totally fucked over by an 'alleged' criminal being proven innocent in a court of law.
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Could be a conspiracy and this guy is the fall guy.
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yeah didnt you see "The Fugitive"?
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Can't wait for the acquittal =p
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
cid wrote:Why use "allegedly" when there where whiteness?
Another sad commentary on how criminals get the benefit of the doubt way too fucking much.
We give you the benefit of the doubt in terms of being intelligent, so that is the least we can do for them. Guilty until proven innocent, he has not been proven guilty in a cout of law yet. Hence alleged. Really Midnyte, try to think and see the big picture and stop being so narrow minded! (/sarcasm off)

He wont be caught alive. Shot to death in a gun fight or kills himself.
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There is a hostage situation going on in Atlanta that they think this guy is involved in right now.

allegedly that is.
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That hostage situation has resulted in the arrest of Brian Nichols moments ago. I just saw him on CNN..they confirmed it was him that was arrested.

What they have not confirmed yet..but what they suspect...is that the US Customs officer that was killed today in that area was killed by this guy. They found the customs officer's blue pickup truck at the scene where Nichols was arrested.
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Color me surprised :) Wtf would he not shoot himself?
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he ran out of bullets to shoot anymore people.thats why there was no fire fight or him killing himself.
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Bad planning!
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the woman talked him out of it.

pretty amazing.
CNN.com wrote:ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- The woman held hostage by Atlanta courthouse shooting suspect Brian Nichols gained his trust by talking with him for hours and spoke of her 5-year-old daughter in a bid to win his sympathy, she told reporters Sunday.

Smith, who was widowed four years ago, said she cooked Nichols a pancake breakfast before he allowed her to leave for a visit with her daughter.

Her subsequent 911 call led to the capture of Nichols on Saturday, after a 26-hour manhunt.

"She was a champ," said Chief Charles Walters of the Gwinnett County police.
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Judge denied him bail! Wow! : )

Looks like they have more beefy guards escourting him this time with bullet proof vests.

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Winnow wrote:Looks like they have more beefy guards escourting him this time with bullter proof vests!
19 beefy guards from what msnbc says.
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News outlets use the term "alledgedly" to avoid being sued should someone be proven innocent after they've reported on an event like this.
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