NCAA finally going to make stricter academic requirements?

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NCAA finally going to make stricter academic requirements?

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Sounds good to me, although I wouldn't be surprised if the severest sanctions were never used and in the end it didn't really accomplish much.

The argument that if you force athletes to do better in school, it will just cause the coaches to pressure the teachers more and lead to the devaluing of education is complete BS. There might be a little bit of that, but I don't see how it would happen enough to balance out the positive.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -3,00.html

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Jim Calhoun, head men's basketball coach at the University of Connecticut, had just won his 700th career game as a college coach last Wednesday, and the 10,000 fans at the sold-out Gampel Pavilion in Storrs, Conn., were going wild, waving placards that read "700." Boosted by Calhoun and his two national titles, including last year's championship, UConn is no longer a "cow college" between Hartford and nowhere. It's a high-powered name, on TV every week during the season, with applications and donations booming. But of all the young men who have helped bring Calhoun glory over the past several years, just 27% graduated from the school.

Poor academic performance spreads far beyond UConn's hoops program. Over the next few weeks, millions of fans will be wagering in office pools, trying to predict who will advance in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) men's basketball tournament, a rite known as March Madness. Do you like Kentucky, with its 8% graduation rate, for the Sweet 16? Is Texas, at 27% like the Huskies, a match for them on the court too? Low achievement is plaguing not just revenue-generating sports like men's basketball and football. Softball and golf teams have also lagged. Add classroom woes to the cheating, sex and even murder scandals that have rocked campuses like Ohio State, Colorado and Baylor over the past few years, and it's clear that college sports need to get sent back to school.

Enter Myles Brand. The president of the NCAA unveiled last week the most aggressive athletic-reform measures in decades. For the first time, schools whose athletes don't meet a new minimum academic standard--roughly equivalent to a 50% graduation rate--stand to lose scholarships and risk harsher sanctions down the road such as being barred from lucrative post-season play. The organization fired loud warning shots, posting report cards on its website that detail which specific teams face the biggest challenges (UConn basketball and Ohio State football among them) and giving them a year to shape up or risk scholarship losses.

Brand's innovation is simple yet powerful: while athletic eligibility rules have long placed a burden on students to maintain minimum academic performance, this is the first time that teams would be penalized for lapses. The new rules have the potential to change the dynamics of college sports, starting as early as next year. "It's going to force our coaches to take a look at the type of people they have in their program, and I think it will change how you recruit coaches," says University of Kentucky athletic director Mitch Barnhart. "We don't want coaches who want a quick fix."

Brand is trying to curb what many see as the exploitation of student athletes in an era when money for college sports is exploding. CBS pays the NCAA $6 billion for the rights to broadcast March Madness through 2014. That largesse is divided among all Division I schools, but the further you advance in the tournament, the more your conference, and thus your school, gets. Thanks to national championships at Syracuse and UConn the past two years, the NCAA will mail the Big East an $11.8 million check in April.

The coaches' response to this commercial pressure has been to recruit the best athletes possible, not necessarily the most academically qualified. Although student athletes who struggle in class can usually get special tutoring, teams don't always stay vigilant after the sports season ends--and often pull their scholarships from those who lose athletic eligibility. After all, there's always a new class of freshman recruits to take the places of dropouts.

Although Brand preaches reform, the college-sports spectacle keeps expanding. A second 24-hour college-sports network, ESPNU, debuted on Friday, joining the two-year-old College Sports Television channel as a business trying to profit off of college games. Like CSTV, ESPNU will show minor sports like softball and swimming as well as football and basketball. "How much credibility can you assign to the NCAA when it's ratcheting up commercial interests?" asks Ellen Staurowsky, an Ithaca College sports-management professor and former college coach. Responds Brand: "These networks are allowing other participants to be on TV. It's a chance to celebrate the student athlete."

Others believe the NCAA should simply treat athletes as professionals. "Let's take away the sham," says Linda Bensel-Meyers, a University of Denver English professor and head of the Drake Group, an athletic-reform coalition. She says that since big-time athletes are revenue-producing assets for the school, teams should become subsidiaries, and players paid university employees rather than students. Bensel-Meyers, who received death threats while trying to expose academic corruption at the University of Tennessee in the late 1990s, says she still gets obscene phone calls because of her stances. Other Drake Group members have offered less radical proposals, such as revoking freshman eligibility, which would give incoming students a year to focus on school.

Even the NCAA's harshest critics applaud Brand, who took over the organization two years ago after a feud with volatile basketball coach Bob Knight thrust him into the spotlight. As president of Indiana University in 2000, Brand fired Knight after the coach, among other indiscretions, was caught on video grabbing a player's neck. As the first NCAA president pulled from academia, Brand has united university presidents behind his causes. For example, after news broke that Colorado football players allegedly threw sex parties to lure high school recruits, Brand quickly pushed through new regulations designed to eliminate the "culture of entitlement" in the recruiting process. "He doesn't take [expletive] from anyone, and that certainly helps in this job," says former I.U. English professor Murray Sperber, a noted NCAA foe who also sparred with Brand in Bloomington. "He has a sense of himself that previous directors just didn't have."

The problem, NCAA watchdogs say, is that Brand might be touting reforms that devalue education. Now that a school faces penalties if student athletes are ineligible, there's even more incentive for coaches to bully faculty into changing grades or creating simpleton courses. At the University of Georgia, for example, basketball players took a class called Coaching Principles and Strategies of Basketball. An exam question asked the value of a three-point shot. "Athletes won't just be tempted to take Basket Weaving I," says Sperber. "They'll be tempted to take Basket Weaving II, III and IV." Brand is putting the burden on the schools to keep up academic standards. "We cannot be the parent and policeman on every corner," he says. But he will be reading report cards. UConn, the ball is in your court. --With reporting by Greg Fulton/Atlanta

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If the top men's college hoops teams let academics settle the score, powerhouses like Arizona, Oklahoma State and Kentucky would get easily outclassed

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Lets fucking hope so.
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I saw the report card last week. In my area, only 2 schools had passing grades. Xavier University and Miami University. All other schools failed. Some misserably. Some by .02 percentage points. U of Cincinnati had a .922% or something like that. They missed the mark by the smallest margin of any local school. I believe. Kentucky, Louisville, Ohio State, and Indiana all fell well short of the "passing grade".

Im willing to bet that Athletic programs already have a higher graduation rate than the general student population as a whole. I know less than 50% of my freshman class actually ended up graduating. Why are athletes held to higher standards? Because a small amount of them are on tv? Because they receive full ride scholarships? Many students receive scholarships and still bail out after a year or 2. Are educational or medical or legal programs held to a high graduation expectation? Will they lose scholarships if they dont meet those requirements?
If a student is offered a high paying job in his desired field (before he graduates, should that student turn down the job so he can complete his degree? Athletic programs are getting penalized because some of the students are receiving those high paying jobs (NBA, NFL) before graduation. Scholarships may be revoked because an athletic program is actually doing its job and helping students gain employement in their chosen field.
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It is because college is not the minor leagues for pro sports. They are for education. If they want to take away athletic scholarships so schools will stop recruiting complete idiots who could not muster a 1.5 GPA in high school just so they can make money by buying atheletes to win championships, then I am all for it.

This will do nothing but eliminate the powerhouse schools who pay athelets to come to their school. It will force schools to actually recruit student/atheletes instead of imbecile/atheletes. Schools won't be able to recruit complete idiots like Dontonio Wingfield anymore.....and it will mark a return of AMATEUR atheletics.
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If its the GPA of students theyre concerned about then they should focus on that. This program theyre putting in to motion deals with Graduation Rates. And Graduation Rates are NOT a fair and accurate assessment of a programs GPA.

Grad Rates are affected by students (regardless of their GPA) leaving early for the pros. Students (regardless of their GPA) transferring to another school. Students (regardless of their GPA) being kicked from a team. All those examples effect the graduation rate of an athletic program, but doesnt reflect the actual education those students are receiving.

There are students from Duke leaving early for the NBA. These students have high GPAs, yet because they leave early, it counts as a failure toward the Duke program.
If a student is unhappy at Stanford and wishes to transfer to another program, that counts as a failure toward Stanford.
If a student (not unlike myself) takes 5 years to complete their degree instead of 4 years, that counts as a failure toward the athletic program.

Graduation Rates are far too misleading in regards to a programs educational abilities.
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I have mixed feelings about this. I am glad they are upholding certain standards, but I also think that many kids are getting educations they would never have gotten without their athletic gifts.

Not every player makes the NBA, NFl, etc. The fact is a very small numberof them get to turn pro and that leaves a lot of kids getting education that they could use in their lives. I do not think that a kid with a 1.5 GPA should get carte blanche, but the kids at major schools have a lot more to do then the typical student.

As a former college athlete, I remember having to go to practice early, then classes, then practice and since I went to a smaller school with no scholarships I was working at night. I had a high GPA, but Soccer is not like football were they have hours of football studies on top of classes. I do not have any answers, but I would hate to see a bunch of kids lose out on the opportunity to get a degree over this policy.
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I've always been for people who leave school early, for whatever reason (be it dropping out cause they just couldn't handle real life, or moving on to professional atheticism), should have to payback the scholarships they received. If you are paying for your own school like most of us did/do, then feel free to drop out whenever or move on to the NBA/NFL/MLB whenever.

It really burns my chaps to think how much I had to pay for an education, when these other shits don't have to pay a thing, and on top of that, don't even complete their education.

So yeah, I'm all for the NCAA cracking down hard on graduation rates, GPA's, and raising SAT score and HS GPA requirements as well.

edit: I meant scholarships
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I am all for policing grades etc, but holding the school responsible for a student switching schools or going pro is ignorant.

If you were a 21 year old kid and someone flashes a few million dollars in your face and you go pro, how is that the schools fault?

If a kid isnt getting the playing time they feel they deserve and they go to another school, how is that the first schools fault?
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The problem with using that mentality Klu, is if you actually run an institution is that you can bring aboard 1,000 students that benefit the school solely by their tuition while one standout athelete can bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars to the school. The combination of of th NCAA rewards, the tv contract supplements, and the affluent alumni chipping in, it's a windfall of cash. Them leaving and going pro brings more dollars into the school than a regular student's tuition. It may not be fair but that's life.

In addition, not all sports are created equal when it comes to college scholorships.
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Actually, how you put it is why I would like to see it changed.

Basicly, by leaving school early for whatever reason, you have wasted money that could have been given to a productive student that needs the help monetarily....so....you wasted the money by leaving, now you have to pay back the scholarship. For an professional athlete, that's nothing, for a drop out, they would think twice before giving up I would imagine.

That way, you still have your athlete that "brings all this crazy cash to the schcool" and alumni are happy and donating, blah blah blah....and scholarships are used as they should be, for those who graduate.

It would just see that scholarship money is used where it should be, that's all.

But back to the point of the thread, No, it is not fair to hold a school responsible for athletes leaving earlly or switching schools...I would bet they will work something in for that so that it does not affect their score.
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And many athletes quietly fund a scholarship at the school they played for.
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Good for them....so do I, and I never got one when I was in school...its what you do when you want to give back, and all that crap. If I had my way, the student who receives the help of my group, would be held to the standards mentioned above. And of course, our sholarship is for those that belong in college and need the financial assistance.
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I agree that something needs to be doen but I don't think this is going to work. I see Jesse Jackson jumping on top of it claiming that it discriminates against minorities.

There is also a loophole in that schools can just add additional players to their rosters that are guaranteed to graduate but will probably never play. That would raise their averages.
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Kluden wrote: Basicly, by leaving school early for whatever reason, you have wasted money that could have been given to a productive student that needs the help monetarily....so....you wasted the money by leaving, now you have to pay back the scholarship. For an professional athlete, that's nothing, for a drop out, they would think twice before giving up I would imagine.
You are not wasting the school's money. You are making it for the school. Just because dollars are set aside for an athelete does not mean that money would have otherwise been used to fund any other scholarship. Actually it would probably be the drastic opposite. Schools consider themselves lucky when they land a blue chip as they should, they generate money that can't be compensated by being an average student attending the school.
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