Double standards

Midnyte_Ragebringer · February 16, 2005, 7:49 pm

Ahh yes. Yet another example of how racist the Democratic party is, but never called on it, because they do such a great job selling it to the public via their media that it is the republicans that are the racists.

"You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of color in a single room?," Dean asked to laughter. "Only if they had the hotel staff in here."

Howard Dean speaking to the black caucus last Friday. *sigh* Great choice for leader. ROFL

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » February 16, 2005, 7:54 pm

uh, he was making fun of the Rep cause the only way the Reps would want blacks in their rooms is to serve them.But I guess it went over your head. Now go burn your daily Cross at the local Gay and Blackie house.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 16, 2005, 7:58 pm

It was in poor taste but were talking about the primordial screamer here aren't we?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » February 16, 2005, 8:03 pm

heh I wonder what the single black person at every Republican convention has to say about this!

miir · Post by **miir** » February 16, 2005, 8:03 pm

Kelshara wrote:heh I wonder what the single black person at every Republican convention has to say about this!

Where's my cheque?

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 16, 2005, 8:14 pm

How is that racism? I can see how it might be considered offensive but it's not racist in the slightest.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 16, 2005, 8:22 pm

Winnow wrote:It was in poor taste but were talking about the primordial screamer here aren't we?

And forever more shall he be known.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · February 16, 2005, 8:25 pm

Sueven wrote:How is that racism? I can see how it might be considered offensive but it's not racist in the slightest.

Assuming that the hotel staff is black? lol

WTF? Now all you negative libs have suddenly become understanding non-labelers? Convenient eh?

You have proven my point.

Winnow, it is time to put your sig back to what many of us here know. You are all pawns in my intellectual mind games. /wink

miir · Post by **miir** » February 16, 2005, 8:27 pm

You really dont get it?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · February 16, 2005, 8:33 pm

miir wrote:You really dont get it?

You really don't get it Miir.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » February 16, 2005, 8:51 pm

Wow I get to support Midnyte here..

You're talking about the administration with the most color this country has ever seen. First black secretary of state, First black female secretary of state, First latino cabinet member, and first hispanic cabinet member.

"You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of color in a single room?," Dean asked to laughter. "Only if they had the hotel staff in here."

I bet 250vv the laughter was gone by the punchline. If anyone on this board made that comment you would fly all off the handle calling them a racist fuck and a shitbag...

It's part of the left's hilarious living in the past view of the world and the right. They're still operating on standard procedure from the 70's. They haven't hit the paradigm of kicking their own race issues. Honestly the 'vote' should be talked about, the 'black vote' is where the problem comes in. what about the 'fat vote'.. who did dregor vote for anyway?

Do you think those 61 million people who voted for george were all white? Who exactly is the racist here?

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 16, 2005, 8:52 pm

Nah, I'm pretty sure you don't get it. Tasteless as it was, it was a jab at the republican party.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » February 16, 2005, 9:05 pm

Winnow, it is time to put your sig back to what many of us here know. You are all pawns in my intellectual mind games. /wink

Impossible. You have A. No mind and B. No intellect.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 16, 2005, 10:46 pm

It's still not racist. The joke is funny because it is assumed that the Republican party has no black members. It's insulting republicans, not black people. The joke does not assume that the entire hotel staff is black, simply that there are a reasonable portion of blacks working at the hotel, which is a reasonable assumption in a major city.

The joke insults Republicans. They're not a race or even a religious group or ethnicity, they're a fucking political party. The joke may be inaccurate and offensive but it's not racist.

Fash wrote:You're talking about the administration with the most color this country has ever seen. First black secretary of state, First black female secretary of state, First latino cabinet member, and first hispanic cabinet member.

And what the fuck does this have to do with the fact that the joke didn't make fun of black people? I didn't say it was a good joke or that it made any sense.

Fash wrote:Do you think those 61 million people who voted for george were all white? Who exactly is the racist here?

No. How you possibly interpreted this out of either Dean's joke or what's been written here I have no idea.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » February 17, 2005, 12:35 am

I actually applaud the dems for finally getting behind someone just a little radical. It's worked so well for the republicans for so long, and i guess after years of having nobody for "leaders" except wishy-washy little pissants constantly twiddling their thumbs and going "Oh, golly gosh gee, i don't know...", they're tired of getting smacked down. Nice to see the pendulum starting to swing the other way on unneccisary political correctness.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 17, 2005, 12:46 am

Steele Asks For Apology From Howard Dean
Lt. Gov. Takes Issue With New DNC Chair's 'Racist' Joke

POSTED: 8:14 pm EST February 16, 2005

ANNAPOLIS, Md. -- Lt. Gov. Michael Steele is calling for an apology from Howard Dean, the new chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

Lt. Gov. Michael Steele

Speaking on WBAL-AM 1090 Wednesday, Steele took issue with Dean for telling what Steele said was a "racist" joke to the Congressional Black Caucus.

During a meeting with the black caucus on Friday, Dean joked: "You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of color in a single room? Only if they had the hotel staff in here."

Steele, Maryland's first black lieutenant governor, called the remarks "racially insensitive and intolerable."

He said Democrats wonder why they are losing ground among African-Americans and other minorities, and they need look no further than Dean's remark.

So, does Howard Dean believe that members of the Black Community are disproportionately represented as hotel staff in this country?

It's demeaning, it's belittling, and I'm completely floored that he would level such an insulting remark upon this community. If ever members of the African American community in this country wanted evidence of how much they are taken for granted by the Democratic Party, this is a perfect example.

One last comment before I go get some antacid to help me deal with my roiling stomach...

Why can't Democratic leaders expect the very best in the way of professionalism and behaviour from their new Chair? Dean made this ignorant statement ONE DAY before he officially took his new post; but, obviously, he was already in the role when speaking to the Democratic Black Caucus.

The relevant question: What does Dean’s win mean for Republicans? Well, if you’re worried about Democrats suddenly getting their act together, don’t be. Democratic unity will have to be seen to be believed, but shouldn’t be feared in either case until it begins netting substantive results.

Secondarily, Dean cannot help being the gift that keeps on giving, by simple virtue of his being himself, a contention artfully confirmed in Saturday’s Washington Post: “Incoming Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean spent [last Friday, 11 February] in a series of meetings with valued Democratic constituencies at the Hilton Washington …. He surveys the crowd [at the 5pm meeting with black constituents] of 150 crammed into the room. ‘You think the RNC could get thus many people of color into a single room?’ he marvels. ‘Maybe if they get the hotel staff in there.’”

Brilliant. Good to know there’s still room in the Democratic party for racial stereotypes. This is going to be a great four years.

It looks like 12 years of Republican leadership to me with the current clowns running around labeled democrats. I can't wait for Dean, Hillary and Kerry to totally destroy any hope of a democrat being elected to office in 2008. It's not the best thing for the country but I can already see the democrats don't stand a chance no matter what Bush does these next four years.

Oh, you'll get your hopes up again just like you did for...ah, Kerry and ...um..who was his VP candidate? lol.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » February 17, 2005, 1:20 am

The funny thing is Dean was JUST chosen as head of the DNC and he's already starting to make controversial statements. Somehow I doubt this is going to be his last or most offensive statement.

There was a small corner of my mind that thought "maybe the Democrats learned some lessons from this election," but it was promptly erased the second Dean was chosen as head of the DNC. The Howard Dean's of the party are who caused the Dems to lose in 04. I like Bush, but I don't mind admitting the Democrats had more than enough ammunition to win in 04. But because of the Dean's and extreme left they just weren't thought of as serious alternatives. Now what do the Democrats do? Do they ostracize Dean, or atleast try to minimize his influence? No, they ASK HIM TO BE HEAD OF THE PARTY.

Furthermore, I've heard so much talk from the left of "how they're going to win back the south," etc. Nominating an extreme liberal from Vermont to head their party is about the worst thing they possibly could have done in that regard.

I can't for 2008. You're going to have John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and Al Gore all fighting for the nomination, and now Howard Dean running around screaming in the background. That is going to be golden.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » February 17, 2005, 1:21 am

Brotha wrote:The funny thing is Dean was JUST chosen as head of the DNC and he's already starting to make controversial statements. Somehow I doubt this is going to be his last or worst offensive statement.

There was a small corner of my mind that thought "maybe the Democrats learned some lessons from this election," but it was promptly erased the second Dean was chosen as head of the DNC. The Howard Dean's of the party are who caused Dems to lose in 04. I like Bush, but I don't mind admitting the Democrats had more than enough ammunition to win in 04. But because of the Dean's and extreme left they just weren't thought of as serious alternatives. Now what do Democrats do? Do they ostracize Dean, or atleast try to minimize his influence? No, they ASK HIM TO BE HEAD OF THE PARTY.

Furthermore, I've heard so much talk from the left of "how they're going to win back the south," etc. Nominating an extreme liberal from Vermont to head their party is about the worst thing they possibly could have done.

I can't for 2008. You're going to have John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and Al Gore all fighting for the nomination, and now Howard Dean running around screaming in the background. That is going to be golden.

im sure youl be in heaven when the conservatives amend the constitution to force every american citizen to resite the "our father" every morning and promptly 7:45 am

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » February 17, 2005, 1:59 am

Xzion wrote:im sure youl be in heaven when the conservatives amend the constitution to force every american citizen to resite the "our father" every morning and promptly 7:45 am

As I've said several times, I'm not a Christian, and I've never alluded to being one. I realize since I'm not a flaming atheist who feels the need to condescendingly call Christians stupid everytime God is mentioned you might have thought otherwise, but try to keep up...

I love Dean:

I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks. We can't beat George Bush unless we appeal to a broad cross-section of Democrats.

If Bill Clinton can be the first black president, I can be the first gay president.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » February 17, 2005, 2:11 am

Howard Dean is an excellent fund raiser. He also has more charisma than any dozen Kerrys, Kennedys, or Jacksons. I think he's been hired to slow down the implosion of the Democratic Party. I suspect he will be quite successful. Please note, the Democratic Party will still become a 2nd rate power in US national polictics, but Dean will stem a good bit of the damage.

The interesting question is whether Dean can engineer or manipulate a facture among folks who consider themselves conservative. Democrats could call the shots again if they can get conservatives to split along religious and social issues. Think Perot in 1992.

In the meantime the talk shows are going to love him because he will provide some fresh grist for the humor mills.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 17, 2005, 3:37 am

I guess some people disagree with me.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 17, 2005, 1:55 pm

Sueven wrote:I guess some people disagree with me.

Well you were right about Steve Nash!

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 17, 2005, 2:06 pm

Casting blacks in a stereotypical role? Yes. Racist? Depends on your point of view. Definatly inapropriate and not PC.

If Bush or any conservative made that joke people would be screaming bloody murder.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » February 17, 2005, 2:17 pm

Dean is a fuckstain. What about any of this surprises anyone?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 17, 2005, 2:20 pm

I agree with Aabidano. It wasn't the smartest comment to make as it can be viewed from 2 distinct perspectives. However, it doesn't take a genius to realize if his intent was to make a jab at the republicans or make a jab at black hotel employees.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 17, 2005, 3:07 pm

funny how Republicans are often on the one hand so critical of PC speak and liberals whining and being thin skinned.

Then when a joke like this is made, they try to go crying to the teacher to get Howard in trouble.

As for saying it is a racist remark. Hardly. And certainly as Fash says, the Bush administration has done a lot to help the GOPs reputation of being a "white-only" party, with some extremely high profile appointments for Blacks and Latinos. You are right to give him credit there.

There are no candidates that I can think of that the GOP gives money to on a national level though that are black, but only a handful for the Democrats.

But to the comment. The point is not that all hotel staff are black. The point is that is the only way you'd get in the event and be black is if you were on the hotel staff. Its really not that complicated.

At any rate, it isnt that big of a deal in my opinion.

But here is a dose of political reality:

Howard Dean is more moderate than Arnold Schwartzeneggar on most social issues.

AH NOLD
AH NOLD
AH NOLD

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » February 17, 2005, 3:18 pm

You may be right about republican senstivity being equal to dems, but you also have to recognize the totally different argument being made.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » February 17, 2005, 3:53 pm

persons of color =! blacks alone.

The suggestion is that /shock and awe, persons of color in the U.S. hold a disproportionatly high percentage of service sector jobs compared to whites. So in effect, his statement, even in its worst light, is pointing out racism within the system.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 17, 2005, 4:17 pm

The finer points can be debated but overall it was a stupid thing for a politician to say. I certainly don't think it helped anything for democrats.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 17, 2005, 6:15 pm

i dont know it probably saved another cartoon character from being outed by diverting the attention of right wing idiots for awhile.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » February 17, 2005, 6:38 pm

The problem here is the perception of the statement as opposed to the reality of the statement. People are going to believe it was racist because that is the obvious perception. As they say, perception is reality.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » February 17, 2005, 6:52 pm

He was saying that the republicans have few black people.

Which can be taken as a racist comment if you go down a couple levels -

Republicans don't support poor people.

Black people are generally poor. ! <-- Racist?

Deward · Post by **Deward** » February 17, 2005, 7:25 pm

Sheesh people...it wasn't racist. It wasn't accurate for a joke either. Everyone knows that the Hispanics have all the hotel jobs.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » February 18, 2005, 1:10 am

Umm Midnyte is a dumbass, so is Noel, that is my standard and it is doubled.