Stupid People

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » February 8, 2005, 4:10 pm

http://www.channelcincinnati.com/news/4 ... etail.html

Dispatcher: "What kind of dog attacked him, Samantha?"

Dispatcher, repeating: "What kind of dog attacked him, Samantha?"

Samantha to her husband: "What kind of dog is JD?"

Husband: "He's a pit bull."

Samantha to operator: "He's a pit."

Dispatcher: "Stupid people."

This 911 Dispatcher got suspended for the Stupid People comment. But come on....how stupid do you have to be to keep a pitbull around an infant/toddler. Sure, its not the job of the dispatcher to chastise people, but she did fulfill her job in a quick manner. She got the emergency units dispatched imemdiately. Sought all necessary information. Then she let a comment slip from her mouth.....and a rather accurate comment at that.

Pitbulls & toddlers do not mix.

Stupid people.

The survey supports the dispatcher.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » February 8, 2005, 4:14 pm

i think she's stupider for not knowing what a pit bull is.

it's a stereotype to say pit bulls are mean dogs. dogs are as mean as the owner allows them to be. cept for chows. those really are mean dogs.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 8, 2005, 4:15 pm

"Like I was to blame, I'm worthless, a no-good mom or something," said the mother, Samantha Osborne.

News flash! You are to blame!

People should know better. Pit bulls are know for being sweet for years and then out of the blue turning into monsters.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » February 8, 2005, 4:18 pm

hah... it was a justified comment, but hey i understand the need to fire them too...

i was at a BK recently, and the lady in front of me ordered 2 sandwiches and then realized she didn't have the money. the dolt behind the register gets on the microphone and says 'DONT MAKE THOSE 2 CHICKEN SANDWICHES, SHE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY'. the lady left embarassed, and her husband stormed in and caused a bunch of shit right as i left. may have been a justified comment, but still... walk back there and tell them to cancel it, don't announce her shit to half the place.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 8, 2005, 4:19 pm

No matter how well you train a pitbull, its in their nature to act violent all of a sudden. Stupid people indeed.

On a related note, they are making pitbulls illegal here, which is a good thing IMO.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » February 8, 2005, 4:20 pm

jaguar = 800 lbs of bite per sq in

pitbull = 2000 lbs of bite per sq in

i don't care if the dog fucking speaks japanese, it only takes it getting pissed at the kid once to regret it.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » February 8, 2005, 4:44 pm

Fash wrote: i was at a BK recently, and the lady in front of me ordered 2 sandwiches and then realized she didn't have the money. the dolt behind the register gets on the microphone and says 'DONT MAKE THOSE 2 CHICKEN SANDWICHES, SHE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY'. the lady left embarassed, and her husband stormed in and caused a bunch of shit right as i left. may have been a justified comment, but still... walk back there and tell them to cancel it, don't announce her shit to half the place.

I think it's not the same though. She was an emergency worker who is not paid to be nice. Her job is to save people's lives, not sell burgers (which requires some customer service.)

They need to work on the response times of emergency workers more than their ettiquette. Sometimes it can take 30 mins to 1 hour for the police to come if you call them.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 8, 2005, 4:52 pm

Well, it's right that she gets disciplined, it's just not her job to say that... no matter how totally and utterly true she is.

Stupid people.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 8, 2005, 4:54 pm

Lynks wrote:No matter how well you train a pitbull, its in their nature to act violent all of a sudden. Stupid people indeed.

On a related note, they are making pitbulls illegal here, which is a good thing IMO.

Wish they were illegal here.

but i live in Texas, so yeah, like that will ever happen.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · February 8, 2005, 4:55 pm

Lohrno wrote:
Fash wrote: i was at a BK recently, and the lady in front of me ordered 2 sandwiches and then realized she didn't have the money. the dolt behind the register gets on the microphone and says 'DONT MAKE THOSE 2 CHICKEN SANDWICHES, SHE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY'. the lady left embarassed, and her husband stormed in and caused a bunch of shit right as i left. may have been a justified comment, but still... walk back there and tell them to cancel it, don't announce her shit to half the place.
I think it's not the same though. She was an emergency worker who is not paid to be nice. Her job is to save people's lives, not sell burgers (which requires some customer service.)

They need to work on the response times of emergency workers more than their ettiquette. Sometimes it can take 30 mins to 1 hour for the police to come if you call them.

In this new politically correct and ultra-sensitive America, people aren't allowed to react in truthful and honest ways. You are supposed to be robotic and non-confrontational in every way, unless you are opposed to the evil government.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » February 8, 2005, 5:04 pm

I'm liberal but I don't believe in beating around the bush, well heh guess that all depends on what that phrase means... but anyway, screw all this political correctness. If someone's stupid then they are stupid. I know a lot of people that don't want to hurt anyones feelings. SURE if someone is mentally handicapped then lets cut them some slack but if someone has a good mind and dosen't use it... well that's stupid in my book.

Stupid people...

Marb

Spang · Post by **Spang** » February 8, 2005, 5:08 pm

The American Temperament Test Society provides temperament testing around the country for dog breeds, and gives a passing score for the entire breed based on the percentage of passed over failed within total number of the particular breed tested. As of December 2003, the American Pit BullTerrier has a current passing rate of 83.9%, and the American Staffordshire Terrier passes at 83.2%. In comparison, The Golden Retriever passing rate is 83.2%

MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers have 1600 P.S.I. in jaw pressure.

FACT: Dr. 1. Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, "To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparison to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs. There are, moreover, compelling technical reasons why such data describing biting power in terms of "pounds per square inch" can never be collected in a meaningful way. All figures describing biting power in such terms can be traced to either unfounded rumor or, in some cases, to newspaper articles with no foundation in factual data." Need more be said?

MYTH: All American Pit Bull Terriers are bad and should be banned.

FACT: On July 17,1987 on ABC's "Good Morning America" program, Mr. Marc Paulhaus, S.E. regional director of the Humane Society of the United States stated: "Serious dog problems tend to be cyclical in nature."

this one also proves me wrong...

"All Pit Bulls are vicious", or "Pit Bulls are born mean".

No one breed as a whole is bad, the same as no one race of humans is bad. Much has to do with the individual, it's genes, upbringing, and training. In the case of Pit Bulls, a breed that was created to be especially gentle with people, all of the human aggressive dogs are victims of one or more of the following: poor breeding, bad training, or irresponsible upbringing. There are thousands upon thousands of Pit Bulls that are loving, loyal, safe pets, who will live and die without ever having bitten a human. They are the proof that this "born bad" idea is fiction, pure and simple.

"Pit Bulls have more jaw strength per square inch (psi) than any other breed."

This is pure speculation, as there is no reliable way to test psi jaw pressure. In testing, many variables come into play (what is driving the dog to bite, how motivated is the dog, etc ), and it also has a lot to do with the individual dog, itself. The results vary greatly.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 8, 2005, 5:15 pm

Poodles don't have that problem!

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » February 8, 2005, 5:22 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: In this new politically correct and ultra-sensitive America, people aren't allowed to react in truthful and honest ways. You are supposed to be robotic and non-confrontational in every way, unless you are opposed to the evil government.

I'd say that 90% of us would agree even those that support political correctness that that is bull.

Myself, I would not fall into the PC camp except for use of hate words. Most people would agree that saying "nigger" or "spic" is bad. That said I don't think they should be banned, just know that if you hold a job, this is probably going to get you fired, sorry. In this case I don't think she should be fired for that. I have a right to my opinion in this, since I pay for this program...

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » February 8, 2005, 5:26 pm

I just think that Pitbulls are ugly dogs. I'd rather have a Lab, or Shepherd, or Doberman.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » February 8, 2005, 5:49 pm

HAHA, even better check out the survey results...

http://cf.channelcincinnati.com/cin/sh/ ... lts_nt.cfm

Marb

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » February 8, 2005, 6:01 pm

The comment was totally uncalled for. Sure, that may have been the dispatcher's feelings...but you do not utter them. An emergency services dispatcher is paid to be professional...cool, calm and collected in the face of the most emotional and heartwrenching calls.

This was a family pet that she trusted. However, I have a 9 month old daughter and I also have a 13 year old Jack Russell Terrier. This dog has been one of my most true companions throughout the years. I do NOT let the dog and baby near one another. My wife and I are both vigilant about this.

A baby or toddler does not mean to do something to upset a dog...who though domesticated...is still an animal with animal instincts. Chances are a little child can walk up to the family pet...and in a show of affection grab the dog's ears or tail...poke the dog in the eye...pull on the fur...and nothing will happen. But there is always a chance, no matter how small, that instincts will kick in and the dog will act accordingly. That is a chance no parent should be willing to take.

But that is just the opinion of one man that loves his pet and his child...and knows which comes first.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 8, 2005, 6:35 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: In this new politically correct and ultra-sensitive America, people aren't allowed to react in truthful and honest ways. You are supposed to be robotic and non-confrontational in every way, unless you are opposed to the evil government.

I would argue that political correctness has nothing to do with this. Freedom of Speech != job protection.

this dispatcher was not arrested or put in jail. He/she had the right to say what he/she said.

however, nobody has the right to run their mouth and keep their job. Let's say i ran a McDonald's and one of my employees mouthed off to a customer.

Guess what, that fucker is fired. instantly.

to me it is just a market dynamic. If you are in an industry where client service is important, here's a tip: don't be a dick to the client. this will help you keep your job and maybe make some money too. In this case, the dispatcher is a public employee paid by taxpayers to do a job. So the taxpayers are essentially the clients.

That being said, if the person was a good employee, and i were his/her boss i wouldnt fire them, and who knows if this person will be fired (probably not), but if they sucked as an employee and it was very difficult to fire them for political reasons, i'd jump at the opportunity to can them.

And those of us on the outside don't really know that side of the story

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 8, 2005, 6:43 pm

Spang wrote:
The American Temperament Test Society provides temperament testing around the country for dog breeds, and gives a passing score for the entire breed based on the percentage of passed over failed within total number of the particular breed tested. As of December 2003, the American Pit BullTerrier has a current passing rate of 83.9%, and the American Staffordshire Terrier passes at 83.2%. In comparison, The Golden Retriever passing rate is 83.2%

Spang, Pit bulls can be sweet dogs, but unlike most dogs they have a history of becoming unexplainably enraged and violent regardless of how they were raised, regardless of their previous behavior. They are ticking timebombs and while many of them may never explode, a lot of them do. It is not fiction. It has been documented in many many cases, including the one above. Humans bred these animals to be vicious and even if you raise them to be nice, there is still that vicious instinct which could surface at any time. Your test above doesn't take that into account.

The breed should have never existed.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 8, 2005, 6:46 pm

and anybody who has one in the same house as a small child is stupid.

Post by **Xouqoa** » February 8, 2005, 7:04 pm

We had two pit bulls on our front porch one morning at like 2am barking at the cats and jumping on the door (stupid french door thing on the front of the house has glass, so they could see in really easy) trying to get at us/cats.

They WOULD NOT LEAVE either, they wanted the cats so badly. I called animal control who of course wasn't there, so I got the local Fire Department. I explained the situation and she had me call the local PD. Did that, they sent an officer out, he walked around our house like 4 times with his flashlight out and a zapper thingy... still couldn't chase the dogs off. Finally after three more police showed up, they call the animal control guy who was on-call and he comes and picks them up.

It was rather interesting that they were so intent on trying to get at the cats that they wouldn't leave even after seeing us and the police. I've never seen the dogs before either around here, so no idea where they came from.

But yeah, I would never have one of them around a child. That's just retarded. They're can snap, and are dangerous. Period.

Kudo · Post by **Kudo** » February 8, 2005, 7:05 pm

That dog doesn't look like a pit to me.

THIS is a pit bull.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 8, 2005, 7:12 pm

Sorta looks like two circles and the word Tripod to me.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » February 8, 2005, 7:13 pm

Without a doubt that's the oddest looking dog I've ever seen. It just looks like green and blue circles.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 8, 2005, 7:40 pm

tripod should be put down. and banned from Ontario.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » February 8, 2005, 7:41 pm

I see you've played Doggy-Tripody before!

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 8, 2005, 7:42 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:tripod should be put down. and banned from Ontario.

Testify!

Niffoni wrote:I see you've played Doggy-Tripody before!

Rofl

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 8, 2005, 7:50 pm

I got bit by one of those before. Those W's really hurt.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » February 8, 2005, 8:29 pm

Im sorry but having a dog breed that has though 3,000+ years were trained to attack, and bait BULLS is not something I would have around any kid. Jesus.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · February 8, 2005, 8:40 pm

As a parent, I try and reduce as many factors in which my kids could get hurt. It's impossible to eliminate all of them. But, you never stop trying.

Bringing an animal in the house with many past reports showing it having a violent nature, is not something I would do. I bought a beegle for my kids. As far as I know there hasn't been too many incidents involving beegles killings kids.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » February 8, 2005, 8:48 pm

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statist ... kelytobite

the pit bull is on this list...

The dogs most likely to bite

A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.) The experience of the author of Dog Bite Law confirms that the dogs on the CDC list are the most frequent attackers of human beings.

...but...

Which dogs are the most dangerous?
See Statistics on this web site.
Any dog that is left alone with your child can be dangerous.
Bigger, more powerful dogs can inflict more damage.
Any dog that is not right for the owner's household and lifestyle can be dangerous.
The five factors that are most often associated with dog attacks are:
A breed of dog that is aggressive or a particular dog of any breed that was produced by an aggressive male and female of that breed.
A dog that is not socialized (desensitized to stimulation, especially the actions of people and children).
A dog that has not been trained in obedience.
An unhealthy dog.
A victim who is too young to behave safely around the dog, or who strikes the dog or otherwise provokes it

any dog can be dangerous, especially around children. labeling any breed of dog as mean or dangerous, including chows (as i did above) is a steraotype.

it gets a little bit sad here...

The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictibility is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)

that could have been any dog in the first post of this thread. for the majority of dog bite cases, the owners are at fault. not the dog.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · February 8, 2005, 9:21 pm

Typical selective reporting.

from http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/danger. ... ler%20dogs

Recent dog attacks that killed or seriously injured a person

The following dog attacks made the news during 2004:

Emily Paige Stinnett -- family pit bull ripped off 4-year-old's scalp
April 26, 2004 , Hodgenville, Ky. The Stinnett family kept their pit bull on a chain in their back yard, where they allowed their 4-year-old daughter to play. The dog got free, attacked the girl, and ripped off three-quarters of her scalp. Sheriffs cut open the dog's stomach and removed the scalp, which the dog ate, but a plastic surgeon could reattach only part of it. The child survived, will have a total of six or sever surgeries, and will never have a normal appearance.

Johnnie Streeter -- 8-year-old killed at his friend's house

April 24, 2004, Sifton (Clark County), Washington (State). After playing with a neighbor's children inside their home, 8-year-old Johnnie Streeter was killed by their two dogs. The boy was found in their backyard. The dogs were half bull mastiff, half German shepherd. The owners stated that the dogs had never bitten anyone before killing the child.

Roddie Philip Dumas Jr -- father's four pit bulls killed his 8-year-old son
April 16, 2004, Charlotte, NC. Third-grader Roddie Philip Dumas was in the fenced-in backyard of his father's home when the latter's four pit bulls mauled the child to death. The father and his girlfriend were inside and did not respond to the boy's screams. A neighbor and a mailman did, but could not save the youngster. When police searched the house, they found an AK-47 assault rifle, two shotguns and ammunition -- along with crack cocaine and marijuana. The father was arrested on drug charges.

Madison Kayleen Carson -- two-year-old killed by a pack of dogs outside her home
March 11, 2004, Fort Bend County, TX. A two-year-old girl was fatally mauled by a pack of dogs outside her home. Madison Kayleen Carson was playing with her sister in an area where there were no leash laws. The pack of dogs frequently roamed the neighborhood. Some neighbors told interviewers that the dogs were "family dogs."

Ruby Sharum -- great-grandson's pit bull caused amputation of 91-year-old woman's arms
February 13, 2004, Orange, CA. A 91-year-old woman, Ruby Sharum, and her granddaughter were putting away groceries when her great-grandson's pit bull growled and then lunged at Sharum. The attack required doctors to amputate both of the woman's arms below the elbows. A neighbor, Shelbi Moore, said that she made 10 complaints to animal control authorities during the previous year.

Errol Flynn Oxendine Jr. -- motorist attacked by a pack of dogs near Gila Wilderness
February 5, 2004, Pinos Altos, New Mexico. As 36-year-old Errol Flynn Oxendine Jr. was driving through New Mexico to California, he pulled his car over, got out to move some items in the trunk, and turned around to find himself surrounded by a pack of at least 16 dogs. They attacked him and left him on the road. A day later, another motorist discovered him and summoned aid. Oxendine suffered not only dog bites but also frostbite. A citation was issued to the owner of three of the dogs. Most of the others were captured.

For cases that have resulted in criminal charges, see Criminal Penalties for a Dog Bite (on http://www.dogbitelaw.com).

Midnyte_Ragebringer · February 8, 2005, 9:32 pm

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf

Results—During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people
died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At
least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238
human DBRF during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type
dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of
these deaths. Of 227 reports with relevant data, 55
(24%) human deaths involved unrestrained dogs off
their owners’ property, 133 (58%) involved unrestrained
dogs on their owners’ property, 38 (17%) involved
restrained dogs on their owners’ property, and 1 (< 1%)
involved a restrained dog off its owner’s property.

To act like you don't see this simple logical conclusion by just paying attention to the news over the last couple decades is pathetic. It only goes to show how completely illogical and incapable of simple reason many who troll these boards are. You are only fooling the other "dumb as you are" people on these boards with your "sure of yourself" bullshit statements. Read the facts and kindly go fuck yourself.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 8, 2005, 10:48 pm

I agree with Mid, only on the pitbull thing, not the flaming thing. Its not hard to see the correlation of pitbull attacks vs other dog attacks.

Fact is, they are visicous dogs. But that isnt the only factor. Lack of keeping the dog on a leash or musle is at least half the problem.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » February 8, 2005, 11:05 pm

huskies are on that list!? i have two of them and are the WORST gaurd dogs. they are as nice to strangers as they are to their owner. i had friends toilet paper my house and the damn dog's just followed them around wagging their tails, heh.

Kudo · Post by **Kudo** » February 8, 2005, 11:20 pm

Kind of funny how most dog bites are also reported to be pit bulls.
Almost all the time its a person generalizing about that, its usually a mut or some other close looking breed.

And to say that a certain breed of dog is more "vicious" then the next is really smart.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 8, 2005, 11:40 pm

Kudo wrote: And to say that a certain breed of dog is more "vicious" then the next is really smart.

You don't understand the history of dog breeding then. Certain dog breeds (namely pit bulls and rotweilers) were BRED for their vicious behavior. Humans bred them that way, INTENDED those breeds to be more vicious. All dog breeds are not the same. Sure, any dog will be more or less vicious depending on how they are raised but some breeds are closer to animals like lions and tigers than their own species. A lion or tiger can be trained and even tame to a degree, but as Sigfried and Roy found out, they can turn on you for no explainable reason. It is hard-wired into their instinctual behavior. Pit bulls and rotweilers are the same way.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » February 8, 2005, 11:53 pm

a lion can be inherently dangerous and vicous and bite his gay owner despite years of care. so can a dog breed for being ferocious.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » February 9, 2005, 3:20 am

You're all missing the fucking point.

Kids are evil.

The dog was probably fighting for its life.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » February 9, 2005, 3:33 am

did you even read the articles, Mid?

i love this one...

Emily Paige Stinnett -- family pit bull ripped off 4-year-old's scalp
April 26, 2004 , Hodgenville, Ky. The Stinnett family kept their pit bull on a chain in their back yard, where they allowed their 4-year-old daughter to play. The dog got free, attacked the girl, and ripped off three-quarters of her scalp. Sheriffs cut open the dog's stomach and removed the scalp, which the dog ate, but a plastic surgeon could reattach only part of it. The child survived, will have a total of six or sever surgeries, and will never have a normal appearance.

not so much the kid getting injured but...you keep a dog on a leash like this one was...it's gonna get pissed. doesn't matter what breed. being a pit bull was not the reason it attacked. the owners unable to care for the dog properly is why this dog attacked.

here's another beauty...again, not because of the tragedy...

Roddie Philip Dumas Jr -- father's four pit bulls killed his 8-year-old son
April 16, 2004, Charlotte, NC. Third-grader Roddie Philip Dumas was in the fenced-in backyard of his father's home when the latter's four pit bulls mauled the child to death. The father and his girlfriend were inside and did not respond to the boy's screams. A neighbor and a mailman did, but could not save the youngster. When police searched the house, they found an AK-47 assault rifle, two shotguns and ammunition -- along with crack cocaine and marijuana. The father was arrested on drug charges.

look at the environment these particular pit bulls lived in. this wasn't a pleasant place to live. assualt weapons in the house. drugs in teh house. and you want to stereotype the pit bull? it's the environment the dog is living in. it's not the dog.

any dog living in anyone of those above environments would end up doing the same thing.

Xanastik Fox · Post by **Xanastik Fox** » February 9, 2005, 4:09 am

"Regardless of size or breed, all dogs can bite if provoked." Randall Lockwood, vice-president of the Humane Society states "it is not a Rottweiler or Pit Bull problem, but a people problem in failing to train dogs correctly."

Unchain your dog. From 1965-2001 25% of all fatal attacks were inflicted by chained dogs.

While 25% of all fatal dog attacks (all breeds) are inflicted by chained dogs, 36% of the fatalities caused by Pit Bulls involved the dog being chained.

Never leave your child unattended with any pets. 79% of fatal dog attacks are children under 12.The age group with the highest number of fatalities was children under the age of 1 year old; accounting for 19% of the deaths due to dog attack. Over 95% of these fatalities occurred when an infant was left unsupervised with a dog(s).The age group with the second-highest number of fatalities were 2-year-olds;accounting for 11% of the fatalities due to dog attack. Over 87% of these fa-talities occurred when the 2-year-old child was left unsupervised with a dog(s) or the child wandered off to the location of the dog(s).

Of the 448 cases of fatal dog attacks from 1965 - 2002, there is NO documented case where a single, neutered, American Pit Bull terrier was the cause of a hu-man fatality.

IMO, there is no vicious breed; Merely vicious owners. The pitbull is a loving family dog and with proper care and attention, will act as such.

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » February 9, 2005, 6:13 am

Apparently you don't have any clue as to why Rottweilers where originaly breed. Rottweilers were orignally cattle dogs and draught dogs not the vicious creatures you think they were breed for.

Pitt Bulls are also not any more vicious than any other dog. The main reason they get such a bad name and have in general more reports of attacks is most people have no clue and just say its a pitt bull don't belive me try this test http://members.aol.com/radogz/find.html Also all the wrong people, from Joe Redneck, to Joe Thug, to Joe Suburbs, want them for completely the wrong reasons. They buy puppies from Joe Backyardbreeder, who bred his two pit bulls with less than desirable temperaments, because heck, he needs beer money! They encourage puppy's aggression towards people, since he's a "tough dog" and.....can anyone see where i'm going with this?

Yes, pit bulls are aggressive. They have high levels of dog to dog aggression. But, this should not EVER spill over into human aggression. As per history, the fighting pits were set up with a handler on either end and a referree in the middle. No one wanted to get bit. Any dog that did bite, was typically euthanized, therefore, preventing the passing on of such a horrible temperament. Unfortuately, Joe Backyardbreeder doesn't care about temperament, he cares about paying his beer tab.

The list you guys are going by is fatal dog bites and attacks. Of course your going to see the larger stronger dogs at the top of this list thats common fucking sense. Try using a list that just goes by attacks and not fatalitys. The dogs most likely to bite are Mutts, Chows, and German Shepards. Pitt Bulls arn't even listed individualy they are listed as all others with a ton of other breeds.

The sad thing is most of the time when kids get attacked by dogs its the kid that provoked the dog, not the dog just going on a crazed biting spree. Most kids are not taught how to behave around and treat dogs so you have kids pulling ears, grabing testicles, pulling on tails, hitting with toys and so on and when the dog can't get away from it they basicly defend themselves and unfortuantly the dog gets the blame instead of the parents for alowwing it to happen. Granted this isn't what happens all the time but its what happens most of the time.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » February 9, 2005, 7:23 am

nobody wrote:huskies are on that list!? i have two of them and are the WORST gaurd dogs. they are as nice to strangers as they are to their owner. i had friends toilet paper my house and the damn dog's just followed them around wagging their tails, heh.

No kidding. Huskies have ZERO sense of territory. I had folks in my neighborhood coming over and knocking on my door just to hear them NOT bark- they were looking to get a new dog that didn't bark all the time. My dogs just stood at the door, hoping a treat was involved somehow.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 9, 2005, 10:02 am

My neighbour had 2 Huskies and he said that they were the easiest to train (from him). If they are lousy guard dogs, its because they weren't trained that way. If you train them not to bark, they won't and vice versa.

Yes, all dogs can be viscous on a certain level, but when was the last time you heard of a Jack Russell Terrier killing a kid?

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 9, 2005, 10:17 am

IMO, there is no vicious breed; Merely vicious owners. The pitbull is a loving family dog and with proper care and attention, will act as such.

I'd have to agree with that, from all I've seen and read it's the truth. Might change that to read stupid owners though.

The reason some breeds seem vicious is that most people raise them to be that way. It's like being suprised when a kid who grows up in a crack house ends up in one later in life.

Trailer parks don't cause drunken rednecks either.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » February 9, 2005, 12:01 pm

Osborne said the dog, called JD, had never been aggressive in 10 years with the family.

"He was good with my kids -- all three," she said.

But in a split-second, the pit bull turned on little Jesse, attacking his face.

I'm sorry, Pitbulls are not the ideal FAMILY pet. They have a history of being unpredictable...just like the pit in this case. 10 years of being docile, then BAM, bites a kids face off. They are too strong to be controlled once they do cross that line. And once they decide to bite, their jaws lock like vice grips.
There are no reports of this pit being treated badly. No reports of drugs or shotguns. Nothing to indicate it was being mistreated in any way.
The dog has an ingrained aggressive nature. And because of its size and strength, it should never share a household with a small child. If someone chooses to raise a child and a Pit bull in the same house then they would fall into the "Stupid People" category. Because even if they think "well my pit is well behaved and loves the kids", theres the chance the dogs aggressive nature will appear and it will attack, or just get annoyed with a toddler and attack. Either way, youve got a dead dog and a severly injured child.

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » February 9, 2005, 12:06 pm

Yes, all dogs can be viscous on a certain level

Well, my dog is very resistant to flow...

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » February 9, 2005, 12:07 pm

Homercles wrote:
Osborne said the dog, called JD, had never been aggressive in 10 years with the family.

"He was good with my kids -- all three," she said.

But in a split-second, the pit bull turned on little Jesse, attacking his face.

I'm sorry, Pitbulls are not the ideal FAMILY pet. They have a history of being unpredictable...just like the pit in this case. 10 years of being docile, then BAM, bites a kids face off. They are too strong to be controlled once they do cross that line. And once they decide to bite, their jaws lock like vice grips.
There are no reports of this pit being treated badly. No reports of drugs or shotguns. Nothing to indicate it was being mistreated in any way.
The dog has an ingrained aggressive nature. And because of its size and strength, it should never share a household with a small child. If someone chooses to raise a child and a Pit bull in the same house then they would fall into the "Stupid People" category. Because even if they think "well my pit is well behaved and loves the kids", theres the chance the dogs aggressive nature will appear and it will attack, or just get annoyed with a toddler and attack. Either way, youve got a dead dog and a severly injured child.

Keep in mind that the dog in question was an older dog...and older dogs tend to be a bit more skittish and aggressive in many cases.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 9, 2005, 12:09 pm

Moonwynd wrote:
Yes, all dogs can be viscous on a certain level
Well, my dog is very resistant to flow...

lol, oops!

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 9, 2005, 2:19 pm

It's certainly the case that a Pit Bull can be a loving family pet.

It doesn't change the fact that they attack people more than most other dogs. It doesn't mean all pit bulls do it. It doesn't mean pit bulls should be illegal or are bad pets. It just means that you should use some fucking caution when you own one. Be careful with it's training. Be responsible with it's environment. If your dog is aggressive or even playful, keep track of who comes near it.

Claiming that there is no such thing as a violent dog is just fucking stupid. There's a bunch of violent dogs: pit bullls, rottweilers, dobermans, dalmations, chows, shepherds, and so on. These dogs are more naturally violent than, say, basset hounds, golden retrievers, and black labs. That doesn't mean that a basset will never attack and a shepherd always will, simply that different breeds have different dispositions. The position that "all dogs are the same" is akin to saying that grizzly bears and polar bears are no more violently disposed than black and brown bears: it's stupid and it's wrong.

There's nothing wrong with aggressive breeds (I want a shepherd mix someday), but treat them responsibly. Denying that they are, in fact, inherently aggressive breeds is irresponsible in and of itself.