Turning the tide

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » December 9, 2004, 6:55 pm

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=315976

A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God more or less based on scientific evidence, and says so on a video released Thursday.

The revival is comin. Sing it baby!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » December 9, 2004, 7:09 pm

At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created the universe.

He's just covering his bases now that he's about to kick the bucket.

From Ennia's George Carlin post:

16. I was thinking about how people seem to read the
Bible a whole lot more as they get older; then it
dawned on me . . ....they're cramming for their final
exam.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » December 9, 2004, 7:24 pm

Also quite possible he's losing his mind; the insane get far more visitations than the sane.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » December 9, 2004, 7:33 pm

Are you fucking kidding me? This is downright inspiring. If only all people had to come to their faith through study and actual understanding instead of the traditional methods: fearmongering, exclusion, misinformation, self-serving faux-religious clergy, and carrot-on-a-stick bullshitting

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » December 9, 2004, 7:34 pm

Old people always get a lot more religious when they have more time on their hands and they realize death isn't that far away. Then they realize their life sucked and the majority of their dreams never came to pass or they never had the opportunity to give a shot at their dream, so they hope a whole lot that they got some place better to go after they die. Afterall, what are their choices here? A nursing home, live with their children who will later put them in a nursing home, live on their own and risk injury without someone to help them, or death. Clearly they want something more.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » December 9, 2004, 11:05 pm

Niffoni wrote:Are you fucking kidding me? This is downright inspiring. If only all people had to come to their faith through study and actual understanding instead of the traditional methods: fearmongering, exclusion, misinformation, self-serving faux-religious clergy, and carrot-on-a-stick bullshitting

Read the article Niffoni... it's not what you think.

"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose."

Over the years, Flew proclaimed the lack of evidence for God while teaching at Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele, and Reading universities in Britain, in visits to numerous U.S. and Canadian campuses and in books, articles, lectures and debates.

There was no one moment of change but a gradual conclusion over recent months for Flew, a spry man who still does not believe in an afterlife.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » December 10, 2004, 12:16 am

It's still a faith, so what i said still stands... but you're right, I didn't make it all the way through the article

Fash · Post by **Fash** » December 10, 2004, 12:38 am

it's lame....

for him to be called a 'famous atheist' and to come out and say

'well it must be some sort of intelligence that created the universe'

so lame.

no, it doesn't hafta be some sort of intelligence. whatever container the universe is in, and whatever container that is in, is of no consequence on earth. we're not special, we weren't created in anyones image, we just evolved, one species on the planet getting advanced enough to assure survival.. to this point... but we're not luminous... we're just meat.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » December 10, 2004, 1:27 am

gah atheist/ believers
there all equally retarded

deep down inside everyone knows that they do not truly know the answers to "the meaning of life" or lack there of

there is broad scientific evidence to support both theorys, but i still have a hard time believing thatt here is "exsistance" and not "non exisstance" without some sort of not understood lifeforce

but who really cares if theres a "god" or not...all that matters is is there or is there not an afterlife, i sure as hell hope theres more beyond me then nothingness though

MooZilla · Post by **MooZilla** » December 10, 2004, 8:34 pm

those damn flip floppers

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » December 11, 2004, 4:18 am

Grats Rekaar in reading the headline but not the content.

typical!

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » December 11, 2004, 8:05 am

because "turning the tide" obviously means...what to you?