Election Time

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 1, 2002, 5:17 pm

This is just a request. I don't care who or what you vote for. But go vote...You can't complain if you don't contribute.

I found a pretty expansive resource that links nearly every party in American politics, with links to their websites. The platform for each party is listed on the websites, so If you aren't sure...Read for yourself and form an unbiased opinion.

http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm

Tru

Deward · Post by **Deward** » November 1, 2002, 5:37 pm

People who vote for a party are retarded. Use your brain and vote for a person because of their abilities. With so many career politicians corrupting the system now a days it is time for a change. I vote for who I know to be the best candidate. If I don't know them, then I vote third party. If there is no third party then I either leave that box blank or I vote for the non-incumbent.

Being a politician should not be a job that lets you collect a fat pension. Being a politician is supposed to be working as a servant for the community for a limited time and then going back to your real job.

Lifetime public servant = Never had a real job.

Sorry politics gets me worked up pretty bad. I work too damn hard to see my salary get taxed to f-ing death while lazy assed people live off me.

Deward

Ahmik · Post by **Ahmik** » November 1, 2002, 5:46 pm

I agree.

I have been telling all of the kiddies here at school that they need to go vote because your vote gives you a license to bitch.

A few weeks ago a was pushing some of the newly turned 18 year olds to go to the courthouse and register to vote. When election day comes along make sure you get off of your ass and get to the polls and vote.

I have been telling them that I don't give a fuck who they vote for or why they are voting for that person. Fortunately this has led to several people asking who I was going to vote for. Hehehe I tell them it is none of their damn business and that they should do a little research and form their own opinions.

I'm a conservatice republican, but anymore the lines are getting blury and in some races it's hard to distinguish one side from the other.

Analysis of the candidates has made me vote for several Democrats over the past 20 years. Voting a straight party ticket is not necessarily a wise decision.

I preach research and independent thought !

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 2, 2002, 1:04 am

wasn't suggesting party voting...just getting informed

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » November 2, 2002, 3:55 am

America a fascist empire hidden behind a mask of democracy!

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » November 2, 2002, 4:22 pm

I no longer have a desire to vote.

Drolgin Steingrinder · November 2, 2002, 8:37 pm

My dad always called the act of voting your "license to bitch".

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 3, 2002, 1:19 am

I am going to check every box that says republican, if you disagee and do not vote, that makes my vote count for twice as much. THANKS!!!

Joramile · Post by **Joramile** » November 3, 2002, 3:15 am

I would only vote if I felt strongly about something. I mean to get up off my ass to check a few boxes, it better mean something!

Drolgin Steingrinder · November 3, 2002, 5:57 am

I hope you are kidding, Joramile.

How can you not feel strongly about voting? It's only your chance to help decide who decides what your taxmoney go to, how much taxes you pay, who shapes the foreign and fiscal policies of your country for the next years.

Nah...I guess it's not worth it, lemme see what's on Ricky today...

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 4, 2002, 10:39 am

How can you not feel strongly about voting? It's only your chance to help decide who decides what your taxmoney go to, how much taxes you pay, who shapes the foreign and fiscal policies of your country for the next years.

Yeah, in a perfect world it would. Our political system is so fucked up that we now have voting scandels every single election. It's all bullshit. The corporations are playing with a loaded deck and the American people are not going to win if they don't want us too.

When 2/3rds of the country does not vote, it does not mean 2/3rds of the country is lazy or stupid. It tells me that the majority of American citizens feel their vote does not matter and have simpy given up. The root of the problem is what has caused people to feel this way? Due to all the voting scandels nationwide, it is indeed a valid opinion to not even bother voting. Many people don't feel like voting for the lesser of 2 evils anymore.

On a personal note, I have always said I would never vote for anyone that ran a negetive ad campaign. Here in MI, I will not be voting for anyone.

EDIT: I will be voting against a proposal to shift tobacco money from education to health care.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » November 4, 2002, 11:59 am

Fairweather:

Due to all the voting scandels nationwide, it is indeed a valid opinion to not even bother voting.

I disagree. While I can sympathize with your vow to not support anyone who runs a negative campaign, the above statement is ludicrous ( I want to see ideas from my candidates on how they want to tackle issues, not mud-slinging , so I am with you!). Voting is the only way, aside from actually running for office, that people can effect change in their governments. Saying that your vote isn't going to count b/c corporations and the establishment are going to stack things as they want it is roughly equivalent to saying you shouldn't care, and just be a good little drone who just does what they are told. The scandals just make it all the more important for you to go out and vote, marking your ballot properly, so if others screw up, yours still counts.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » November 4, 2002, 12:11 pm

If you don't try to affect things, then you have no right to complain that you don't like the outcome.

Like 30 minutes and punching a few holes in a piece of paper is a huge effort, eh?

It's put up or shut up time.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 4, 2002, 12:15 pm

Not voting only encoursages the Democrats and Republicans to continue to cater to their respective special interest/corporate benefactors and not to the populus at large.

Make them have to earn your votes.

make it so they fear voting certain ways because it will hurt their chances for re-election.

KilornCloudwalker · Post by **KilornCloudwalker** » November 4, 2002, 1:23 pm

Well, I am definitely voting before these jerks make smoking in public illegal here in Tampa... could care less which politician gets into office, but don't mess with my right to kill others with second hand smoke!! It's one of my few joys in life....

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 4, 2002, 1:30 pm

KilornCloudwalker wrote:... here in Tampa...

watch out for hanging chads!!!!!!!!

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 4, 2002, 2:18 pm

Voronwë wrote:watch out for hanging chads!!!!!!!!

Wasn't that the dude in your high school with the oversized testicles?

cid · Post by **cid** » November 4, 2002, 2:31 pm

Is it the Chad?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 4, 2002, 8:24 pm

Vote Republican for the next 10 years, so we can offset the last 20 years of the pussification of this country caused by the bleeding-heart liberal democrats

/hug Voronwe (hiya bro!)

Damiarch · Post by **Damiarch** » November 4, 2002, 9:37 pm

Voting DOES matter. How else would my state end up with a pro wrestler for a governer?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 5, 2002, 12:04 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Vote Republican for the next 10 years, so we can offset the last 20 years of the pussification of this country caused by the bleeding-heart liberal democrats

/hug Voronwe (hiya bro!)

you realize the Republicans have controlled the legislature for the last 9 years, and controlled 50% of it for the 10th?

you should also know that the legislature has a greater effect on the day to day lives of Americans than the presidency.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 5, 2002, 1:51 am

Yes Vor, I know. But, it's the mere presence of them that erks me. With zero democrats in office, there would be no clips and quotes for the media (CNN) to warp and distort and manipulate the feeble-minded ones.

Just an example why CNN is the devil...when the Hatian boat landed the other day. The morons on CNN morning show were stuck on the poll question about how its not fair that if they were Cuban they would get automatic asylum. It's like the had completely forgotten all about Sept. 11th. They are right back to harping on "fairness" and all the things that have destroyed the country's integrity.

Ahmik · Post by **Ahmik** » November 5, 2002, 4:23 am

The biggest problem with the media is their extreme lack of education.

Had they taken the time to ask the camera man, or any other blue-collar worker that hangs around the set, they would have found that the reason we allow Cuban refugees into the country is because Cuba is still considered to be a communist country, while Haiti is not.

When Haitians flood the shores, we send them back, just like we do to the ummm everyone else.

We make allowances for people fleeing a communist regime - where do you think all the fuckin Democrats come from?

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » November 5, 2002, 6:57 am

I need more gin...

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 5, 2002, 12:41 pm

people who live in Haiti face more political corruption and everyday danger from police thuggery and what not than the people in Cuba do.

hell there is an active group in Cuba that has been interviewed on global television that is calling for Castro to step down.

doing that in Haiti would have you killed in less than an hour.

I'm not saying we should have a revolving door on Miami Beach. I personally think the wet foot/dry foot thing is absurd for Cubans as well as anybody else.

that law will never change in Florida though because you can't win a statewide election if you piss off the cubans in Dade County. They have organized themselves into a very potent political force.

Cuba being "communist" is of course irrelevant since the cold war has been over for 10-15 years, but using words like that is still an effective way for politicians to manipulate constituents who are more comfortable with their place in the world when they are the 'good guys' and there are some 'bad guys' somewhere else to thumb their nose at.

I'm not sure what Haiti has to do with 9/11 though. there is no need to wave that bloody shirt anytime a political issue comes up that you don't agree with.

People who would be happiest if one political party controlled a government from top to bottom, regardless of what party that is, are extremely naive in their understanding of human social behavior.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 5, 2002, 1:46 pm

Aye, I love to wave the bloody shirt, only because it is a recent and recognizable example. The reason I mentioned it, is because we are a soft nation. We have to so god damned nice to everyone. Let everyone in. INS was lax because of liberals and their touchy feely bullshit.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 5, 2002, 1:53 pm

i'm not sure that is true.

i happen to be moderately liberal and i am certainly in favor of carefully regulated immigration.

i would suggest that the policy that the US has towards Cuban immigration was not crafted by liberals though.

certainly with the state of our economy and with global security concerns we cant have a revolvling door policy here.

i am all in favor of having avenues that are reasonably accesible to people who are committed to contributing to our society though. we gain a lot of talent from around the world who come here to study in our universities. i think in the end we benefit by letting many of them stay and work here.

and for fucks sake we need to have some resources devoted to getting government databases modernized, optimized, and integrated with each other.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 5, 2002, 1:58 pm

and for fucks sake we need to have some resources devoted to getting government databases modernized, optimized, and integrated with each other.

aye aye Vor. Couldn't agree more there bro.

Valgul · Post by **Valgul** » November 5, 2002, 2:35 pm

As Michael Savage says, "Borders, Language, Culture."

During the Clinton Presidency, there were many more people allowed to stay in this country that arrived here illegally. They are allowed to stay with no health screening, no check for past criminal behavior, etc.

If someone from another country wants to come to the U.S.A, work; get their citizenship; then all the power to them. But if someone comes here illegally, then they should be sent back, not handed a voters pamphlet and told to vote democrat.

The Dems are already setting up a voting challenge. The absentee ballots in NJ etc. If the election is close, then they will go to court to have the election law overthrown.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 5, 2002, 2:40 pm

I had a teacher in High School who preached about voting.

"If you vote, then you have a RIGHT and the OBLIGATION to bitch about what you don't like. If you haven't voted then STFU. You've forfeited your whining rights."

Trias · Post by **Trias** » November 5, 2002, 2:57 pm

BATMAN FOR SENATE!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 5, 2002, 3:10 pm

Ok so I go vote with a fellow workmate and we vote ,so on the way back we discuss who we voted for and why. I voted Rep. on all candidates except one I voted Dem. And he voted Dem. on all candudates except one he voted Rep, which happened to be the same one I switched. What a waste of time we negated each others votes.

Ahmik · Post by **Ahmik** » November 5, 2002, 4:06 pm

On the Haiti vs Cuba thing back there I absolutely meant in no way to trivialize the horrible climate that the Haitians have to live in. Corruption at the highest levels of gov't is rampent, unemployment is at 80%, living conditions suck, even clean water and medical aid from foreign agencies is being held up in Port-Au-Prince. If I was there, I'd be trying to leave too.

It is obviously pretty damn bad when they come in boatloads to America to escape. The only thing that I was trying to point out is that Cuba is officially declared a Communist country whereby all aliens seeking asylum in the US are automatically granted some form of protection.

Haiti is not Communist, it is under a simple democracy where the Prime Minister is elected by popular vote.

Is it fair that we view Cuban refugees differently from Haitian refugees? Probably not, but that is a matter for the State Department to fix.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 5, 2002, 4:11 pm

but not a matter for the media or the public to comment on?

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